wage zombie
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Scott Piatkowski wrote:
wage zombie wrote:

This seems pretty weak to me. 

It seems pretty smart to me. Do you really want to develop the campaign strategy and message two-and-a-half years in advance.

And, even though Andy labels her response on the last campaign as "defensive", that seems to me to be bang on as well. Whatever mistakes were made by the NDP campaign (and there were plenty of them), we simply weren't going to get through the facade that was school funding debate.

So oh well i guess the Liberals had the trump card last election and there was nothing we could've done.  Gee, i sure hope the Liberals don't have a trump card next election too or there will be nothing we can do.  That's the attitude that seems weak to me.

Because that might happen right?  The Liberals (or the Conservatives) may have another trump card and we'll be caught flatfooted again.  It's not that i want to decide on an election campaign 2 1/2 years from now--it's that i want to see proactivity and an ability to control the message.

There are plenty of major obstacles to the NDP getting government and i want to see leaders talking about how we can overcome those obstacles, rather than giving those obstacles as the reason why "there was nothing we could've done".

I still think she's the best candidate but the passage i quoted strikes me as defeatist, uninspiring, and, well, weak. 


ONDP Leadership thread III - discuss, debate, post news here! By: Michelle (109 replies) February 27, 2009 - 12:11am
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