Now is a good time for an NDP-Green Party By: Center-Left Humanitarian (106 replies) March 1, 2009 - 11:30amWilf Day wrote:Center-Left By: Center-Left Humanitarian (Mar 2 2009 - 9:42am) Maysie wrote:Oh, Centre-Left By: Center-Left Humanitarian (Mar 2 2009 - 9:34am) Center-Left Humanitarian By: Wilf Day (Mar 2 2009 - 12:49am) Re: Now is a good time for an NDP-Green Party By: Frustrated Mess (Mar 1 2009 - 8:56pm) If they shuck their market By: George Victor (Mar 1 2009 - 8:49pm) But you see, George, that is By: Frustrated Mess (Mar 1 2009 - 8:41pm) FM:"Only the Green Party, By: George Victor (Mar 1 2009 - 8:13pm) Re: Now is a good time for an NDP-Green Party By: mimeguy (Mar 1 2009 - 7:14pm) Quote:The only party that By: melovesproles (Mar 1 2009 - 7:07pm) Re: Now is a good time for an NDP-Green Party By: mimeguy (Mar 1 2009 - 6:50pm) "they're listening"? By: remind (Mar 1 2009 - 6:15pm) Quote:If politicians By: Frustrated Mess (Mar 1 2009 - 5:53pm) Stockholm wrote:"Coalitions" By: mimeguy (Mar 1 2009 - 5:46pm) scarboroughnative wrote:A By: Unionist (Mar 1 2009 - 5:20pm) Stepping over the poorly By: Frustrated Mess (Mar 1 2009 - 6:48pm) Re: Now is a good time for an NDP-Green Party By: Coyote (Mar 1 2009 - 5:00pm) quite scary as are their By: anchovy breather (Mar 1 2009 - 5:00pm) Re: Now is a good time for an NDP-Green Party By: scarboroughnative (Mar 1 2009 - 4:50pm) George Victor wrote:And here By: genstrike (Mar 1 2009 - 4:49pm) Don't get started on me here By: Frustrated Mess (Mar 1 2009 - 4:05pm) FM:"But nevermind the NDP, By: George Victor (Mar 1 2009 - 3:29pm) Stockholm wrote:It IS By: Unionist (Mar 1 2009 - 3:20pm) To those actually interested By: Frustrated Mess (Mar 1 2009 - 2:55pm) "Coalitions" are what are By: Stockholm (Mar 1 2009 - 2:39pm) It IS simplistic because we By: Stockholm (Mar 1 2009 - 2:37pm) Re: Now is a good time for an NDP-Green Party By: LeighT (Mar 1 2009 - 2:32pm) miles wrote: What does the By: Unionist (Mar 1 2009 - 2:26pm) Re: Now is a good time for an NDP-Green Party By: Stockholm (Mar 1 2009 - 2:16pm) I know what the Greens would By: miles (Mar 1 2009 - 1:50pm) The way I see it, the Greens By: genstrike (Mar 1 2009 - 1:48pm) Stockholm wrote: Ou're By: RevolutionPlease (Mar 1 2009 - 12:14pm) Ou're assuming the Greens By: Stockholm (Mar 1 2009 - 12:02pm) thanks Maysie for By: LeighT (Mar 1 2009 - 11:52am) Oh, Centre-Left By: Maysie (Mar 1 2009 - 11:29am) I think it is possible to By: LeighT (Mar 1 2009 - 11:17am)
- madmaxI think it is pretty By: remind (Mar 9 2009 - 4:13pm)
- "The NDP is the most By: madmax (Mar 9 2009 - 3:32pm)
- Re: Now is a good time for an NDP-Green Party By: Lord Palmerston (Mar 8 2009 - 8:48pm)
- Re: Now is a good time for an NDP-Green Party By: George Victor (Mar 8 2009 - 8:36pm)
- Re: Now is a good time for an NDP-Green Party By: Lord Palmerston (Mar 8 2009 - 8:35pm)
- Lord Palmerston wrote:Well By: genstrike (Mar 8 2009 - 8:33pm)
- No M'Lord P, I'm not missing By: George Victor (Mar 8 2009 - 8:25pm)
- You continue to miss the By: Lord Palmerston (Mar 8 2009 - 8:20pm)
- Re: Now is a good time for an NDP-Green Party By: George Victor (Mar 8 2009 - 8:15pm)
- Re: Now is a good time for an NDP-Green Party By: Lord Palmerston (Mar 8 2009 - 8:13pm)
- George Victor wrote:Do you By: genstrike (Mar 8 2009 - 8:10pm)
- Yeah, the market ecology By: Lord Palmerston (Mar 8 2009 - 8:11pm)
- "I bet most people who voted By: George Victor (Mar 8 2009 - 8:06pm)
- Re: Now is a good time for an NDP-Green Party By: ottawaobserver (Mar 8 2009 - 8:02pm)
- But again, folks, their By: George Victor (Mar 8 2009 - 8:05pm)
- Re: Now is a good time for an NDP-Green Party By: ottawaobserver (Mar 8 2009 - 7:54pm)
- Prof. Barry Kay on the Green By: Lord Palmerston (Mar 8 2009 - 7:35pm)
- Do you not think, folks, By: George Victor (Mar 8 2009 - 7:31pm)
- I was riding my motorcycle By: madmax (Mar 8 2009 - 7:29pm)
- Re: Now is a good time for an NDP-Green Party By: Lord Palmerston (Mar 8 2009 - 7:10pm)
- NDP and Green supporters By: Skinny Dipper (Mar 7 2009 - 12:01pm)
- remind wrote:Frustrated Mess By: ReeferMadness (Mar 7 2009 - 11:49am)
- Frustrated Mess By: remind (Mar 7 2009 - 4:51am)
- Frustrated Mess By: ReeferMadness (Mar 7 2009 - 12:30am)
- George Victor wrote:You are By: ReeferMadness (Mar 7 2009 - 12:25am)
- Quote:Are you done? What a By: Frustrated Mess (Mar 7 2009 - 12:16am)
- keglerdave By: ReeferMadness (Mar 7 2009 - 12:14am)
- remind wrote:Well, you see, By: ReeferMadness (Mar 7 2009 - 12:09am)
- Reefermadness handle is By: keglerdave (Mar 6 2009 - 8:40pm)
- reefermadness wrote:I By: remind (Mar 6 2009 - 4:46pm)
- You are not responding to By: George Victor (Mar 6 2009 - 11:09am)
- wage zombie wrote:I find it By: ReeferMadness (Mar 6 2009 - 5:39am)
- remind wrote: Fuck I am sick By: ReeferMadness (Mar 6 2009 - 4:02am)
- ReeferMadness wrote:This By: wage zombie (Mar 6 2009 - 3:51am)
- keglerdave wrote:It took By: brookmere (Mar 6 2009 - 3:44am)
- You seem to fail to realize By: remind (Mar 6 2009 - 2:15am)
- keglerdave wrote:The Green By: ReeferMadness (Mar 6 2009 - 12:18am)
- Now is definitely NOT a good By: keglerdave (Mar 5 2009 - 10:06pm)
- remind wrote:Fuck I am sick By: Sean in Ottawa (Mar 5 2009 - 9:33pm)
- ReeferMadness wrote: Not By: remind (Mar 5 2009 - 8:58pm)
- Sean in Ottawa wrote:The By: ReeferMadness (Mar 5 2009 - 7:51pm)
- remind, if you read Sean's By: ReeferMadness (Mar 5 2009 - 7:25pm)
- If you look at the Canadian By: Sean in Ottawa (Mar 5 2009 - 6:48pm)
- Quote: However, in my view, By: madmax (Mar 5 2009 - 6:05pm)
- Will any Green Party member By: remind (Mar 5 2009 - 5:24pm)
- I don't see there being a By: ReeferMadness (Mar 5 2009 - 5:17pm)
- Max, you and Sean both seem By: ReeferMadness (Mar 5 2009 - 5:08pm)
- The riding with the largest By: madmax (Mar 5 2009 - 1:24pm)
- Re: Now is a good time for an NDP-Green Party By: ReeferMadness (Mar 5 2009 - 12:35pm)
- Reefer Madness: Green Party By: madmax (Mar 5 2009 - 12:25pm)
- SeanFirst, I should say that By: ReeferMadness (Mar 5 2009 - 1:43am)
- "But he's quick to add that By: George Victor (Mar 4 2009 - 1:30pm)
- ThanksI work for a union By: Sean in Ottawa (Mar 4 2009 - 11:23am)
- Yes, Stock, there is still By: George Victor (Mar 4 2009 - 10:41am)
- What "base` are you talking By: Stockholm (Mar 4 2009 - 10:08am)
- Sean, your comments are very By: ReeferMadness (Mar 4 2009 - 6:08am)
- Setting aside my more By: Sean in Ottawa (Mar 3 2009 - 11:01am)
- The problem with traditional By: Sean in Ottawa (Mar 3 2009 - 10:58am)
- Center-Left Humanitarian By: madmax (Mar 3 2009 - 10:45am)
- LeighT wrote:i think the By: brookmere (Mar 3 2009 - 8:21am)
- I know when I was By: janfromthebruce (Mar 3 2009 - 2:40am)
- My reading is the Greens By: Lord Palmerston (Mar 3 2009 - 12:20am)
- Center-Left Humanitarian By: ottawaobserver (Mar 2 2009 - 10:35pm)
- Re: Now is a good time for an NDP-Green Party By: Center-Left Humanitarian (Mar 2 2009 - 9:20pm)
- remind wrote:Pfft just By: Center-Left Humanitarian (Mar 2 2009 - 9:08pm)
- Re: Now is a good time for an NDP-Green Party By: ottawaobserver (Mar 2 2009 - 8:18pm)
- Why would the NDP want GP By: madmax (Mar 2 2009 - 3:48pm)
- Now you're goin' Confucian, By: George Victor (Mar 2 2009 - 11:20am)
- Re: Now is a good time for an NDP-Green Party By: Frustrated Mess (Mar 2 2009 - 11:05am)
- Centre-left :"We are By: George Victor (Mar 2 2009 - 10:49am)
- Re: Now is a good time for an NDP-Green Party By: remind (Mar 2 2009 - 9:50am)
To those actually interested in disucussion beyond school yard partisan rhetoric ...
Personally, having voted Green in the last election, I oppose a coalition also. For reference material, here is a Toronto Star article: Green Party at a political crossroads
If the NDP is interested in electoral success, I would suggest the Bloc is a much better and more likely coalition partner. That would entail the NDP being able to manage the ensuing and stupid debate over national unity. As an example of the stupidity, I give you Subprime Minister Ignasty: Supporting oilsands a national unity issue
But nevermind the NDP, for now. For the Green Party, it must assess its role and future in Canadian politics. It must decide if it is to be another also-ran within a political system where it will never be anything more than an also-ran, or it it wants to have a genuine and significant impact on Canadian politics and the future.
If it is the former, then it should continue as it has been. It should pretend the environment is not an issue on the left, it should continue to prostitute itself to every elected MP without a home, it should continue to muddy and dilute its message to become palatable to the lowest common denominator. To be truly successful it should promote economy over ecology.
However, if it is the latter, the Green Party should position itself as the political voice of climate and environmental science. It should be prepared to state the dire warnings, now coming from scientists, on the political stage. It should give voice and force to those Canadians seeking a divorce from the destructive forces of globalization and neo-liberal capitalism in favour of building sustainable local and regional economies. It should have as the centre piece to its platform a mandatory 90% cut in CO2 emissions by 2050 without exceptions and it should state a foreign policy focused on supporting those nations with similar goals and decent human rights records.
In other words, the Green Party should seek to become the political voice and conscience of those Canadians and scientists who recognize, clearly, the window of opportunity to preserve a livable world for humans and other species is rapidly closing and requires urgent action.
The last thing Canada needs is yet another just a political party.