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The formula that killed Wall Street

Doug
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This would be why investment firms thought they could safety create these vast assemblages of mortgage debt that have gone so awry. Sometimes people really can be too clever for their own good.

For five years, Li's formula, known as a Gaussian copula function, looked like an unambiguously positive breakthrough, a piece of financial technology that allowed hugely complex risks to be modeled with more ease and accuracy than ever before. With his brilliant spark of mathematical legerdemain, Li made it possible for traders to sell vast quantities of new securities, expanding financial markets to unimaginable levels.

His method was adopted by everybody from bond investors and Wall Street banks to ratings agencies and regulators. And it became so deeply entrenched—and was making people so much money—that warnings about its limitations were largely ignored.

http://www.wired.com/techbiz/it/magazine/17-03/wp_quant?currentPage=all


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abnormal
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Excellent article.  Should be required reading for anyone working with financial models of any sort.

Even at a simpler level it's important to understand that the world is not normally distributed [in other words "we're skewed"], the tail is fatter than you think, VAR doesn't work very well, and black swans do exist (I highly recommend Taleb's book of that title).


NorthReport
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We can't all be so-called financial experts. Therefore a good rule of thumb for investing that has stood me well over time is:

If it's too fucking complicated to understand, and doesn't make common sense, don't go there.


Catchfire
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NorthReport wrote:

We can't all be so-called financial experts. Therefore a good rule of thumb for investing that has stood me well over time is:

If it's too fucking complicated to understand, and doesn't make common sense, don't go there.

It's that kind of thinking that got Galileo and Darwin excommunicated.


500_Apples
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NorthReport wrote:

We can't all be so-called financial experts. Therefore a good rule of thumb for investing that has stood me well over time is:

If it's too fucking complicated to understand, and doesn't make common sense, don't go there.

Actually, my impression was that the formula was so damn simple Wall St. would have had to be truly retarded to commit vast sums of money based on its conclusions. When I think of quants my stereotype is of the math prodigies who burn out by the end of undergrad, lose interest in elliptic curves and cave in to the money. I really have a hard time believing the main claim of the article: that tens and perhaps of billions of dollars was shuffled around based on this second-year undergraduate-level approximation.

abnormal
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The formula (and the math behind it) is not simple.  But it produces a simple answer - a single number.  You don't need much of a technical background to understand what default correlation is.  You do need a significant amount to understand the limitations in the formula as well as the implications of using CDS pricing as a proxy for default probabilities (common sense would say the market can't get it right all the time and, perhaps just as importantly, even if the market is right CDS pricing is just an estimator of the "true" default probabilities - that estimator will have it's own distribution with its own mean and variance).

At the risk of digressing, this is a problem with most of the financial models I've had to work with over the years.  Virtually all of them look at the mean and variance of some sort of sample and plug those into the model as being representative of the true mean and variance of the population.  Not true (if the actual distribution is skewed, the sample mean is generally less than the true mean - that observation alone has significant implications in many areas).


NorthReport
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The Financial Crisis and the Systemic Failure of Academic Economics*

http://www.debtdeflation.com/blogs/wp-content/uploads/papers/Dahlem_Report_EconCrisis021809.pdf

 

6. Conclusions

The current crisis might be characterized as an example of the final stage of a well-known boom-and-bust pattern that has been repeated so many times in the course of economic history. There are, nevertheless, some aspects that make this crisis different from its predecessors: First, the preceding boom had its origin – at least to a large part – in the development of new financial products that opened up new investment possibilities (while most previous crises were the consequence of overinvestment in new physical investment possibilities). Second, the global dimension of the current crisis is due to the increased connectivity of our already highly interconnected financial system. Both aspects have been largely ignored by academic economics. Research on the origin of instabilities, overinvestment and subsequent slumps has been considered as an exotic side track from the academic research agenda (and the curriculum of most economics programs).This, of course, was because it was incompatible with the premise of the rational representative agent. This paradigm also made economics blind with respect to the role of interactions and connections between actors (such as the changes in the network structure of the financial industry brought about by deregulation and introduction of new structured products). Indeed, much of the work on contagion and herding behavior (see Banerjee, 1992, and Chamley, 2002) which is closely connected to the network structure of the economy has not been incorporated into macroeconomic analysis.

We believe that economics has been trapped in a sub-optimal equilibrium in which much of its research efforts are not directed towards the most prevalent needs of society. Paradoxically self-reinforcing feedback effects within the profession may have led to the dominance of a paradigm that has no solid methodological basis and whose empirical performance is, to say the least, modest. Defining away the most prevalent economic problems of modern economies and failing to communicate the limitations and assumptions of its popular models, the economics profession bears some responsibility for the current crisis. It has failed in its duty to society to provide as much insight as possible into the workings of the economy and in providing warnings about the tools it created. It has also been reluctant to emphasize the limitations of its analysis. We believe that the failure to even envisage the current problems of the worldwide financial system and the inability of standard macro and finance models to provide any insight into ongoing events make a strong case for a major reorientation in these areas and a reconsideration of their basic premises.


abnormal
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It has also been reluctant to emphasize the limitations of its analysis.

Wouldn't matter if they did - while academics may do much of the research the people using it are unlikely to listen.  And their bosses definitely won't.  They want an answer and, no matter what caveats the quant doing the work provides, they'll ignore them (or argue that the probability of X happening, whatever X may be, is so small as to be meaningless).  Or worse yet they'll argue that they understand the risks and uncertainties involved in the use of the model (who knows, maybe they do) and make the "business decision" to proceed anyways.

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We believe that the failure to even envisage the current problems of the worldwide financial system and the inability of standard macro and finance models to provide any insight into ongoing events make a strong case for a major reorientation in these areas and a reconsideration of their basic premises.

No argument but you're still talking about academics who form a (generally) distinct group from the people that use the models.


abnormal
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Beware of Geeks Bearing Formulas

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They Tried to Outsmart Wall Street

Emanuel Derman expected to feel a letdown when he left particle physics for a job on Wall Street in 1985.

After all, for almost 20 years, as a graduate student at Columbia and a postdoctoral fellow at institutions like Oxford and the University of Colorado, he had been a spear carrier in the quest to unify the forces of nature and establish the elusive and Einsteinian “theory of everything,” hobnobbing with Nobel laureates and other distinguished thinkers. How could managing money compare?

But the letdown never happened. Instead he fell in love with a corner of finance that dealt with stock options.

“Options theory is kind of deep in some way. It was very elegant; it had the quality of physics,” Dr. Derman explained recently with a tinge of wistfulness, sitting in his office at Columbia, where he is now a professor of finance and a risk management consultant with Prisma Capital Partners.

Dr. Derman, who spent 17 years at Goldman Sachs and became managing director, was a forerunner of the many physicists and other scientists who have flooded Wall Street in recent years, moving from a world in which a discrepancy of a few percentage points in a measurement can mean a Nobel Prize or unending mockery to a world in which a few percent one way can land you in jail and a few percent the other way can win you your own private Caribbean island.

They are known as “quants” because they do quantitative finance. Seduced by a vision of mathematical elegance underlying some of the messiest of human activities, they apply skills they once hoped to use to untangle string theory or the nervous system to making money.

This flood seems to be continuing, unabated by the ongoing economic collapse in this country and abroad. Last fall students filled a giant classroom at M.I.T. to overflowing for an evening workshop called “So You Want to Be a Quant.” Some quants analyze the stock market. Others churn out the computer models that analyze otherwise unmeasurable risks and profits of arcane deals, or run their own hedge funds and sift through vast universes of data for the slight disparities that can give them an edge.

Still others have opened an academic front, using complexity theory or artificial intelligence to better understand the behavior of humans in markets. In December the physics Web site arXiv.org, where physicists post their papers, added a section for papers on finance. Submissions on subjects like “the superstatistics of labor productivity” and “stochastic volatility models” have been streaming in.

Quants occupy a revealing niche in modern capitalism. They make a lot of money but not as much as the traders who tease them and treat them like geeks. Until recently they rarely made partner at places like Goldman Sachs. In some quarters they get blamed for the current breakdown — “All I can say is, beware of geeks bearing formulas,” Warren Buffett said on “The Charlie Rose Show” last fall. Even the quants tend to agree that what they do is not quite science.

etc ...

Well worth the read.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/10/science/10quant.html?ref=business


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