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If time travel was ever possible, then why hasn't someone from the future come back to visit us?

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Le T
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There has been time travel for a very long time. It utilizes the advanced technologies of oral tradition and books. Not quite as sexy as spinning really fast, at least not for the ultra-materialist society that we have become.

Noise
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Time travel seems to stem from a linear perception of time, like there is a preserved image of past for us to travel to...if time isn't linear, would time travel still be theoretically possible?  Can the events of today be as capable of effecting the past as they are capable of effecting the future?  How about time is only moving forward from our perspective while in reality it's flowing backwards, so you'd really be going forward to the past?  Would time travel involve reliquishing free will?  Could I go back in time and prevent myself from posting this silliness?


Spectrum
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 Boom Boom,

You might be able to identify which one Contact used?:)

The Super Hero Versions

Miracles StudiosThorne Plates

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To activate Thorne plates, the distance between each plate must be less than the width of an atom. The resulting wormhole will be equally small, so getting in and out might be difficult. To widen the portal, some scientists suggest using a laser to inject immense amounts of negative energy. In addition, Thorne believes that radiation effects created by gravitons, or particles of gravity, might fry you as you enter the wormhole. According to string theory, however, this probably won't happen, so it's scant reason to cancel your trip.


Miracles Studios Gott Loop
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To take you back one year, the string must weigh about half as much as the Milky Way galaxy. You'll need a mighty big spaceship to make that rectangle.

Many scientists believe the big bang that created the universe left behind cosmic strings - thin, infinitely long filaments of compressed matter. In 1991, Princeton physicist J. Richard Gott discovered that two of these structures, arranged in parallel and moving in opposite directions, would warp space-time to allow travel to the past. He later reworked the idea to involve a single cosmic-string loop. A Gott loop can take you back in time but not forward. The guide to building your own:



Miracles Studios Gott Shell
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This is a relatively slow method of time travel, and life inside the shell could become tedious.

In essence, a Gott shell is a huge concentration of mass. The shell's sheer density creates a gravitational field that slows down the clock for anyone enclosed within it. Outside, time rolls along at its familiar pace, but inside, it creeps. Thus the Gott shell is useful for travel into the future only. If you're planning a jaunt to the past using a Gott loop, you might want to bring along a Gott shell for the return trip. What to do, step by step:


Miracles Studios Van Stokum Cylinder
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The cylinder must be infinitely long, which could add slightly to its cost.

Mass and energy act on space-time like a rock thrown into a pond: the bigger the rock, the bigger the ripples. Physicist W. J. van Stockum realized in 1937 that an immense cylinder spinning at near-light speed will stir space-time as though it were molasses, pulling it along as the cylinder turns. Although Van Stockum himself didn't recognize it, anyone orbiting such a cylinder in the direction of the spin will be caught in the current and, from the perspective of a distant observer, exceed the speed of light. The result: Time flows backward. Circle the cylinder in the other direction with just the right trajectory, and this machine can take you into the future as well. How it works:



Kerr Ring
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The Kerr ring is a one-way ticket. The black hole's gravity is so great that, once you step through it, you won't be able to return.

When Karl Schwarzschild solved Einstein's equations in 1917, he found that stars can collapse into infinitesimally small points in space - what we now call black holes. Four decades later, physicist Roy Kerr discovered that some stars are saved from total collapse and become rotating rings. Kerr didn't regard these rings as time machines. However, because their intense gravity distorts space-time, and because they permit large objects to enter on one side and exit on the other in one piece, Kerr-type black holes can serve as portals to the past or the future. If finding one with the proper dimensions is too much trouble, you can always build one yourself:


See:A User's Guide to Time Travel-Superpower Issue

 

There are of course objections(link) to this under the premise that Ronald Mallet presented.


Spectrum
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Van Stokum cylinder

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A type of time machine based on an immense cylinder spinning at near-light speed. The physicist W. J. van Stokum realized in 1937 that such an object would effectively stir spacetime as if it were treacle, dragging it along as the cylinder turned. What van Stokum didn't realize is that circumnavigating such a cylinder can lead to closed time-like paths. Anyone orbiting the cylinder in the direction of the spin would be caught in the current and, from the perspective of a distant observer, exceed the speed of light and thus travel back in time. Circling the cylinder in the other direction with just the right trajectory would project the subject into the future. The van Stokum time machine is based on the Lense-Thiring effect and uses ordinary matter but of enormous density - many orders of magnitude greater than that of nuclear matter. 

 


Spectrum
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 The Last Mimzy (link), is a toy rabbit.

Lets just say that by design,  the possibility existed that a mandala was cumultive speaking,  built to contain "your history of experience" and was a method by which "past information(lives)" was re-released in the present day?

So, you in essence have travelled back in time, and in that life, worked to model a  perspective in which to contain that life's work.  Then, knowing it will open up in the future?

 


Caissa
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The new CBC series Being Erica uses time travel.

Boom Boom
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Caissa wrote:
The new CBC series Being Erica uses time travel.

I didn't know that! Guess I'll have to start watching it.

 

ETA: I'm watching it now - good show!


Caissa
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Ms. C. has French class on Wednesday night so we tape it and watch it on Thursday evening. It's turned out to be a better series than I expected.

Boom Boom
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Interesting to see Casa Loma on last night's show.

 

oops - hope I didn't spoil it for you tonight! Embarassed


Fidel
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If time travel was ever possible, then why hasn't someone from the future come back to visit us?

What if time travel includes a rule that no traveler can interact with people of the past in order to avoid creating chaos? What if visitors from the future are invisible to us? Perhaps visitors from another universe, a world where we either don't exist or exist in parallel,  are everywhere and all around us?

Scientists say that objectivity is necessary when exploring unknowns. If the technology for time travel is ever invented, then it is surely futuristic. But why haven't we been visited by people from the future or another world?

The technology for cloaking or invisibility is not so far off say scientists. If we can invent invisibility cloaking sooner than later, then why could there not be invisible time travelers from the distance future visiting us in the present? Aha!

Hawking: Time travel will happen

But they won't be coming here from there.


6079_Smith_W
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Not sure if I have posted this before, but it's worth the read. Everyone does it the first time:

http://www.abyssandapex.com/200710-wikihistory.html


KenS
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Probabilistically speaking:

If time travel gets figured out in the future, then odds are we would know by now.

The fact we havent, implies two major possibilities [many others obviously]:

1.] It just is not possible/feasible, at least for a complex sentinent being.

2.] That it is possible. But, even assuming that: the working out of how to do it requires the continued ability for very cutting adge research, which in turns assumes the maintenance of material conditions and basic social order required for such research to take place. And it wouldnt be too surprising if there isnt enough of a future for that.

 


Snert
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I hope this hasn't been posted here before.  A super handy crib sheet for gettin' things done, should you travel back in time.

 

Keep a copy in your wallet, just in case. It's not like you'll be able to log in to babble to check in when you're living in 1142AD.


Ghislaine
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I am not sure if this has been posted yet:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RsPyIh4dIQ&feature=player_embedded


M. Spector
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6079_Smith_W wrote:

Not sure if I have posted this before...

Snert wrote:

I hope this hasn't been posted here before.

Ghislaine wrote:

I am not sure if this has been posted yet:

 

I know! All this time travel can be so confusing!


Snert
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Laughing


al-Qa'bong
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Have you seen the time traveller in the Charlie Chaplin movie?

The Circus


jas
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I have it on pretty reliable authority that our linear conception of time is completely erroneous, so our notion of travel "back" or "forward" would probably also be incorrect. Other sources suggest that time is simultaneous and that "futures" can only be probable, which makes sense. Of course, if time is simultaneous then that throws our concept of past and future kind of out the door anyway. It would also suggest that our "pasts" are also only probable, Surprised but I'm just making a logical guess in that respect.

Don't ask me for my sources. :)


KenS
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Boom Boom started this thread a while ago.

Presumably hes been busy out there travelling. Dont get lost BB!


jacki-mo
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Fidel
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Tacyons? What the...?

I think what they are saying above, people like Hawking, is that travel to the past is technologically impossible for us at the moment. Technologically. 

Evolution and technological advancement should change that situation for us in a mere few thousand years. By then, man should consider traveling to the future not the past. The future is where we want to go.

The Time Machine, 2002 wrote:
"We all have our time machines, don't we. Those that take us back are memories... And those that carry us forward, are dreams." Jeremy Irons as Uber-Morlock


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This clearly is not a very scientific discussion, but it might be helpful to clear up one thing. Physics does not at all say that time travel is impossible, but it is necessary to be specific about the different types of time travel. Time travel to the future is one of the central themes of Albert Einstein's theory of special relativity. If you travel near the speed of light, time in your reference frame slows down 'relative' to other reference frames so that you 'age' less and end up at a time equivalent to the fututre in the other reference frames. General relavity makes it all more complicated because it accounts for acceleration/gravity, but the basic ideas still hold and have been proven in spite of the fact that they are so counter-intuitive, which is one of the main reasons that Einstein is considered to be such a friggin' genius!


Ken Burch
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Of course people from the future don't want to visit us.  They don't want to touch us, because they know where we've been AND where we'll be.


jacki-mo
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I have a possible answer to this speculation: there are no people in the future.....


Fidel
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jacki-mo wrote:

I have a possible answer to this speculation: there are no people in the future.....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presentism_(philosophy_of_time) wrote:

In the philosophy of time, presentism is the theory that only present things exist, and future and past things are unreal.  The opposite of presentism is 'eternalism', which is the belief that things in the past and things yet to come exist eternally.[1] Presentism is compatible with Galilean relativity, in which time is independent of space but is probably incompatible with...

And Jackie could be right. Perhaps we as a species have no future. But what about other more successful and highly evolved species out there in the universe? Could they visit us from the future? Or if parallel universes do exist, and which could be anywhere from very much older to younger than this one, could they visit us?


jacki-mo
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Fidel: The answer is yes about parallel universes. Sarah Palin is from one of them.


Fidel
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ha! Good one.

"...for us physicists believe the separation between past, present, and future is only an illusion, although a convincing one."  - Albert Einstein

Out of the singularity was created everything in perfect symmetry. The past, present, and future exist simultaneously in space-time. Space-time can be curved. And if we travel in curvilinear motion, we could be constantly accelerating while time slows to a crawl. That sums up everything I've read about time travel.


Ken Burch
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How do we KNOW none of them have come back in disguise?

It's possible they may have sent advance parties(or retreat parties, considering the reverse chronological sequence involved)to scope out our times surreptitiously.

 


Fidel
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Michio Kaku: Time Travel, Parallel Universes, and Reality YouTube

Many worlds? Yes, this is modern quantum theory. Time is a river that flows. And like a river, there can be whirlpools and even forks in the river of time. Time travel represents a problem for us though, because we would need to utilize the energy of a star to create a time machine.

Futuristic energy consumption by advancing states of civilization type according to Kardashev

 


KenS
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SPAM ALERT!

Spamming across the babbling universe...

Did anyone notice that BabbleTime is now Atlantic Time. Finally, the centre of the universe stumbles in on me.

Not quite sure when that happened. Recently anyway.

I always liked it when we were on Alaska Time. For the longest time we've been on that old standard of the centre of the universe. Boring.

Are these wanderings across time zones deliberate? Or are the the inadvertent outcome of doing some tinkering with the site?


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