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And the Greens may have also garnered some votes due to a perception that party of greener capitalism might save the world from dangerous climate change at a time when people were increasingly concerned about ... dangerous climate change.
And deJong's party won a whopping 8 percent of the vote and zero seats in the legislature for their efforts. I think if I were a green or civil liberties supporter, I'd drop the divisive issues and demand a modern electoral system. Oh look! ...
School funding fight escalates 2007
2007 election issues - wiki
By changing the subject.
"Drop the divisive issues"? Yeah, great advice. Who wants controversy during an election campaign?
And now we learn you're not a supporter of civil liberties....
And the antecedent of the pronoun "It" is not separate school funding, but Tory's plan to extend funding to all faith-based schools.
The Greens were just as supportive of MMP as the NDP was.
And I think it possible that the Greens may have appealed to some number of voters due to a perception that that party of greener capitalism might save the world from dangerous climate change at a time when people were becoming increasingly concerned about dangerous climate change, and not necessarily for their brinkmanship on any particular aspect of public school funding.
I know I am only one person, but I vote NDP federally and usually vote NDP provincially, but I voted Green in the last election almost solely on their principled stance on Separate school funding.
No I don't see any contradiction. I also know that there are two ways to lose an election. One is to expand Religious funding (Alah the handoff Bill Davis to Frank Miller, then the John Tory Debacle). There other is to close down Catholic Schools.
But whats done is done, and the Liberals, NDP and PCs all incorporated the Separate Schools into their platforms back in the 70s and 80s.
Live with it.
No.
No.
What would Pinocchio's guvmint say to an Africentric school in Toronto?
FM
Why shouldn't other languages have equal status?
Why can't Canada have several official languages?
______________________________________________________________________________________________ We are like cloaks, one thinks of us only when it rains.
and what should the ONDP say to those who want to abolish French language education in Ontario:
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French language education in Ontario, is so much more than studying in French. FLE is…- a constitutional right
- the chance to live a unique cultural experience in a French environment
- the choice of becoming bilingual for life by developing linguistic abilities in the country's two official languages
- a learning setting that promotes excellence and success, with a dedicated understanding of each individual's needs
- access to a dynamic community
- a passageway to greater opportunities and a bright future in a globalized society
A constitutional rightAs stated in the preamble of The French Language Services Act, in Ontario, the French language is recognized as an official language in education.
The province recognizes the contribution of the cultural heritage of the French-speaking population and wishes to safeguard it for generations to come.
The rights to a French education in Ontario are defined in section 23 of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms. In order to be eligible to attend the elementary or secondary schools, certain conditions must be met. A person meeting these conditions will be recognized as being a right-holder of the French language education in Ontario.
Right-holderFrench language schools welcome the children of every Canadian citizen:
- whose first language learned and still understood is French OR
- who has received his or her education, at the elementary level, in French in Canada OR
- who has a child who has received or who is receiving his or her education at the elementary or secondary level in French in Canada.
Non Right-holderFrench language schools pride themselves in their accessibility and strive to reflect the cultural diversity that makes up Ontario's Francophone community. In support of this, the Ontario Education Act allows individuals who are not French-language right-holders to seek admission for their child, in a French-language school.
This request will be processed by an admissions committee, as prescribed by the Ontario Education Act and according to a process determined by the school board. For more information, visit your local school board's Web site.
The right to French language education at the post-secondary levelWith regards to the post-secondary institutions and training agencies, the choice to further ones education is an open door. These institutions offer an array of programs and services in French. The specialized disciplines taught will provide not only a unique education but also the skills necessary to succeed.
.....http://www.edu.gov.on.ca/eng/amenagement/
Okey-dokey. I'll put you down for (b) and (d) then.
The difference between that question and the thread title is that no hypocrisy is required in order to give a satisfactory explanation as to why French and English are the official languages of Canada; whereas a great deal of hypocrisy is required in order to try and convince someone that Catholic schools, alone of all religious sects, should be given public funding.
It certainly didn't fly with the UN Human Rights Committee, for that very reason.
Sorry forgot this was the ONDP thread. It feels so much like the group that lobbied John Tory and the Conservatives.
But yes, the madmax party understands that following the lead of the Progressive Conservatives would result in Zero Electable madmax Mpps.
Is that your final answer?
"Sorry, Muslim voter. You can just go fly a kite because if we supported funding for your schools, nobody would vote for us. But we'll continue to support funding for Catholic schools for the very same reason."
Would you expect such a voter ever to consider voting for such a crassly unprincipled and opportunistic party?
Of course not. But. . . what other party would you suggest they vote for instead?
Yeah, its still
NO
And there you have it, folks. The moral and political bankruptcy of social democracy.
And it will cure voter apathy and preserve our obsolete electoral system, too!
It's not social democracy that's declining its just that the ONDP has become an outlet for angry white people who only support minority rights if they kiss their white benefactor's ass.
I do not wish to see the party which for the time being I vote, make a statement which amounts to political suicide. However, my beef with the NDP is that they can be too risk averse. (I had to choke on that a bit when the federal NDP signed the coalition, but that's both ancient history and another thread.) I think the ONDP, anyway, suffers from what Pierre Vallieres called the "half a loaf" outlook. They're too afraid of losing what little they have.
Ya know sometimes you have to risk taking a short term hit over a point of principle. If the party stands firmly behind supporting one strong publicy funded education system for everyone, is able to communicate this effectively and with one voice (I know, this IS the ONDP) and if the media reports it fully and fairly, (THAT would be a miracle) then just maybe this would differentiate the NDP sufficiently from the other parties in a positive way to get a few votes. This is a logically defensible position if you have the spine to defend it.
Lets be the party that has the courage of it's convictions, and the convictions to have the courage of!
ETA: oh yeah, and start now. Don't look like you just pulled the idea out of your ass in the first week of an election campaign.
I vote for oldgoat! And M. Spector. Are either of you planning to run? If so, could you come and run in my riding? Because I'd really like to vote in the next provincial election but I don't see how I'm going to be able to do that, what with no one to vote for and all.
Would babblers allow this group into the debate on school funding
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Living, working, and learning together in harmony is a challenge for students and their families.
MENTORS is a Muslim organization seeking accommodation for Muslim students within the public school system. MENTORS was founded in 1996 as the Muslim School Advisory and Support Group for the Scarborough Board of Education. It aimed to assist the Scarborough Board by providing policy advice on issues impacting Muslims and to provide support for Muslim parents and students.
Since amalgamation in 1999, MENTORS has provided services for the entire Toronto District School Board.
We work to make sure Muslims in the public school system have recognition and respect from their peers and teachers, and will be able to practice their faith without any negative consequences.
http://www.mentorscanada.com/index.php
So which is it Michelle? M. Spector is promoting Extending funding to religious schools. And OldGoat is saying to make One School System, (Just not right way, which is then a copout, because if not now when?)
No wonder you can't vote, you have to choose between two extremes.
School funding is the only issue you base your vote on??? That is a minority position.
What I do find interesting is that I hope you are kidding when you say you won't have anyone to vote for in 2011. There are many parties and at least one of them has to support your position... Just ask Old Goat or M. Spector to run for that party.
Where on earth did you get that idea? Have you been asleep through the last 5 threads on this topic?