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I also think it is debatable that people who are schizophrenic are always schizophrenic, since my experience is that there are phases of schizophrenia, and also phases of "normalacy."
Yes, I likely will. Fortunately, I don't have to advertise it to the world every time I go out in public and can get some help(that's another thread).
What the fuck does it have to do with anti-racism?
And only racists start talking shades of colour. It can get pretty ridiculous? Who cares? Fuck this, I'm out.
Is that so? I mean didn't you just define that person by their racial heritage publically on a message board? Given this, it seems to me that it is likely that your relationship with that person is affected by the conscious knowledge of their racial heritage. And that is just you. What about their conscious knowledge of their racial heritage and their emotional relationship to that?
To illustrate this point, lets consider what happens when he brings his first date home to meet his parents.
RevolutionPlease, I honestly didn't mean to offend you. And I am not sure that I am following you Cueball, I don't think we are both taking from what I said what I meant.
Let me go back and clarify a little bit. I was providing examples of people who are white who do not enjoy white privilege. To do with people with Disorders I am not talking about hidden disorders, I am sorry if my poor skills is comparing offended people and apoligize for that, that was not my intention. I am talking about people with Disorders who can't get a job, who look odd when walking down the street and may not be able to even live in a house or apartment.
As I said before, I understand when people talk about white privilege. My only message after that had specifically to do with the fact that some white people can never get to the place of white privilege because they have a Disorder which does not allow them to. Yes some people with Schizophrenia can hide it, some can not, yes some people with Schizophrenia go through phases, some do not or do not go through phases of what would pass for normalicy.
I know that your view that it is not that hard to figure out what you mean by your comment about my friend is not that hard to figure out but as I mentioned I think I wrote it with different intentions than I think you understand and I am not sure what you understood from my post so it is hard to follow what you are saying for me. I wrote that message specifically to respond when you said to me that some people can hide it. What happens the first time a schizophrenic brings a girl home and his entire apartment is wallpapered in tinfoil (not a joke - this was the apartment of the a functioning schizophrenic and he used this as a coping mechanism).
All I am saying is the two are comparable in the ability to seize white privilege.
That's not the case. People of colour with psychological disabilities are also affected by white privilege. As I pointed out, people of colour who are affected in this way are more likely to experience racist insults than white people with those same "disorders" "syndromes" or whatever they are being called these day. As well they may be affected by real or percieved racism, and so are more likely to experience "triggering" events. That is just one example.
Or, to look at one of your other examples, I would say it is easier for a "strange" white person to find an apartment, than it is for a "strange" black person. See?
I have known a number of people of colour who are diagnosed, whose traumatic psychological experiences are directly related to their experiences as people of colour, and this, to use a psychological phrase, "motif" is central to their experience of their "disorder". You are really getting into deep water here, because it has pretty much been established that people of colour are more likely to be diagnosed in this way.
Yes, your right Cueball, I phrased that wrong. You are correct that they have double jeopardy as mentioned earlier in the thread.
I think you and RevolutionPlease are right (and anyone else who tried to help), I am not getting white privilege. I hope that I am on the right track, though, and I thank you guys for helping me. It is honestly never a discussion I would have gotten into because it is something I am obviously more in the learning stage for and I think I should have stopped when the discussion moved from racism to white privilege.
I didn't like the original statement but from re-reading the posts I think it was more or less agreed that the issue wasn't all white people are racist more that people need to be aware of white privilege which is something I whole heartedly agree with.
White privilege can't be separated from racism. Arghies.
Try to keep on topic please, the discussion seems to be doing well. I will note however, that research indicates that schizophrenia quite often does fade with age, particularly for women. If you want to continue on psychiatric issues, perhaps body and soul would be a better space, unless discussing racialized aspects.
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Sure thing.
Here:
http://www.rabble.ca/babble/body-and-soul/fuck-psychiatry
Please don't disgrace the AR forum with an issue I struggle with.
I hope this drift can spread to the other thread, which looks like an interesting issue. I miss-wrote, and should have said, 'some' research shows 'some' people with the 'so-called' diagnosis of etc... I failed to properly qualify my statement, my bad.
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There may not be time for us all to run / in tandem together - / the horizon calls with its parallel lines. / It may not be right for you to have and hold / in one way forever and yet you still have time
I think that's a good point. I'm still fairly young, i have long-ish hair and usually go days without shaving. My preferred dress is jeans, a sweater and a sneakers. And I tend to get treated a certain way until it somehow comes up that I'm a doctor with a good income. I definitely notice on days that i shave or wear a suit that i get treated much differently than on my typical scruffy, slobby days.
Race certainly plays a role in these things but I think class perceptions are maybe just as strong. There's the old adage of people acknowledging that they would feel frightened walking down a street at night if a black man was coming towards them. But I don't think this applies if that street was Bay St. and the black man in question were wearing a suit and carrying a briefcase. I think people may be far more worried about a white guy who looks to be part of the "underclass".
Realigned:
"To be 100% honest Maysie yes I am sincere. Completely. I don't think you're alone in being unsure of me but I don't mind."
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To misuse and paraphrase something from a famous figure created by a racist who wrote for a racist nation a hundred years ago, when you posed that question about pederasty in another country you became a (braver)man (woman) than I Gunga Dhin.
This is a board of sensitive people who - I was warned way back - might not take lightly to redneck quotations out of the hill country above SSC there in the more polite part of Virginia.
However, you are so apologetic and apparently honest in your desire to "learn", you survived ...this time. Next time, quote from something (maybe not the Bible) to support your question - although I find your description of your workplace a wonderful account of "making multiculturalism work."
I'm going to post this and work up a quotation from a book that gives first-hand accounts of life in the Frontier Country of (then) India and Afghanistan before the Second World War. Don't want to leave this hanging too long...might disappear.
George Victor, are you deliberately being provocative? It is not difficult to find uninformed amateur observations of other people's cultures throughout history, and quoting from them does not illustrate anything other than unquestioned white supremacist assumptions. Please remove the post quoting John Masters and his amateur colonial anthropology, or I will, and you will then cease from posting in this forum.
Follow Up: George Victor, your comment has been deleted by decision of the moderators. You will now please cease from posting in the anti-racism forum, thank you.
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There may not be time for us all to run / in tandem together - / the horizon calls with its parallel lines. / It may not be right for you to have and hold / in one way forever and yet you still have time