Many postcard campaigns are in full swing leading up to the December 6 day of remembrance. One of them is this campaign [1] sponsored by the Canadian Labour Congress:
A gun in the home increases the risk of harm for women and children.
The law is working: gun-related spousal homicides are down 50%. Keep the gun registry.
Please visit the link to send your postcard and circulate widely among colleagues and friends!
Thank you.
Links:
[1] http://www.canadianlabour.ca/action-center/keep-gun-registry-disarm-domestic-violence
[2] http://rabble.ca/print/babble/activism/clc-says-keep-gun-registry-disarm-domestic-violence#comment-1084932
[3] http://rabble.ca/print/babble/activism/clc-says-keep-gun-registry-disarm-domestic-violence#comment-1085608
[4] http://rabble.ca/print/babble/activism/clc-says-keep-gun-registry-disarm-domestic-violence#comment-1085620
[5] http://rabble.ca/print/babble/activism/clc-says-keep-gun-registry-disarm-domestic-violence#comment-1085622
[6] http://rabble.ca/print/babble/activism/clc-says-keep-gun-registry-disarm-domestic-violence#comment-1085660
[7] http://rabble.ca/print/babble/activism/clc-says-keep-gun-registry-disarm-domestic-violence#comment-1085670
[8] http://rabble.ca/print/babble/activism/clc-says-keep-gun-registry-disarm-domestic-violence#comment-1085676
[9] http://rabble.ca/print/babble/activism/clc-says-keep-gun-registry-disarm-domestic-violence#comment-1085710
[10] http://rabble.ca/print/babble/activism/clc-says-keep-gun-registry-disarm-domestic-violence#comment-1085751
[11] http://rabble.ca/print/babble/activism/clc-says-keep-gun-registry-disarm-domestic-violence#comment-1085799
[12] http://rabble.ca/print/babble/activism/clc-says-keep-gun-registry-disarm-domestic-violence#comment-1085812
[13] http://rabble.ca/print/babble/activism/clc-says-keep-gun-registry-disarm-domestic-violence#comment-1085975
[14] http://rabble.ca/print/babble/activism/clc-says-keep-gun-registry-disarm-domestic-violence#comment-1086082
[15] http://rabble.ca/print/babble/activism/clc-says-keep-gun-registry-disarm-domestic-violence#comment-1086105
[16] http://rabble.ca/print/babble/activism/clc-says-keep-gun-registry-disarm-domestic-violence#comment-1086129
[17] http://rabble.ca/print/babble/activism/clc-says-keep-gun-registry-disarm-domestic-violence#comment-1086133
[18] http://rabble.ca/print/babble/activism/clc-says-keep-gun-registry-disarm-domestic-violence#comment-1086134
[19] http://rabble.ca/print/babble/activism/clc-says-keep-gun-registry-disarm-domestic-violence#comment-1086135
[20] http://rabble.ca/print/babble/activism/clc-says-keep-gun-registry-disarm-domestic-violence#comment-1086138
[21] http://rabble.ca/print/babble/activism/clc-says-keep-gun-registry-disarm-domestic-violence#comment-1086160
[22] http://rabble.ca/print/babble/activism/clc-says-keep-gun-registry-disarm-domestic-violence#comment-1086164
[23] http://rabble.ca/print/babble/activism/clc-says-keep-gun-registry-disarm-domestic-violence#comment-1086165
[24] http://rabble.ca/print/babble/activism/clc-says-keep-gun-registry-disarm-domestic-violence#comment-1086166
[25] http://rabble.ca/print/babble/activism/clc-says-keep-gun-registry-disarm-domestic-violence#comment-1086168
[26] http://rabble.ca/print/babble/activism/clc-says-keep-gun-registry-disarm-domestic-violence#comment-1086169
[27] http://rabble.ca/print/babble/activism/clc-says-keep-gun-registry-disarm-domestic-violence#comment-1086174
[28] http://rabble.ca/print/babble/activism/clc-says-keep-gun-registry-disarm-domestic-violence#comment-1086176
[29] http://rabble.ca/print/babble/activism/clc-says-keep-gun-registry-disarm-domestic-violence#comment-1086227
[30] http://rabble.ca/user
[31] http://rabble.ca/user/register
Thanks unionist....
Women Murdered by their Male Partners in CanadaCanadian Emergency Physicians opposed to repealing the Long-Gun Registry
According to Statistics Canada, there were 818 firearm deaths in Canada in 2005. (1) 72.5% (593) of these firearm deaths were suicides. This amounts to one person every 15 hours. Over 80% of these suicide deaths were due to long guns.(2) Gun control saves lives. Since the gun control registry was introduced in 1995, firearm suicides have decreased by 35%.(2,3)
Those opposed to long gun registration claim that there is a lack of criminal activity involving long guns. This is not true. Of firearm-related homicides in 2008 in Canada, 34% were by rifles or shotguns, 61% by handguns and 17% by prohibited firearms.(4) Long guns were used in 72% of firearm-related spousal homicides. Between 1995 and 2004, there was a 36% decrease in the use of firearms in spousal homicides.(5)
MPs Playing Dangerous Politics with Women's Lives says YWCA Canada: Calls for Honouring the Montreal Massacre and Preserving the Gun Registry
“What is often lost in the complaints of gun owners against the registry is that on the evidence, gun control saves lives. 88% of Canadian women killed with guns are killed with a shotgun or rifle. Rifles and shotguns are the guns most often used in domestic violence and suicide,” says Paulette Senior, CEO of YWCA Canada.
So 72% of firearm-related homicides involved long guns. How many of those long guns were illegal?
How can a gun registry far removed from the scene of the crime prevent someone from shooting another person? I think people are misled into thinking gun registry equates to stricter gun control. What you're really salivating after is a total gun ban.
The police themselves say what's needed is exactly what the NDP advocates, which is more policing, more money for counselling and social work, adequate funding for border patrols, more money for investigating the smuggling of illegal weapons into Canada from the US etc.
From Judy Rebick's rabble blog:
Tell Ignatieff, Layton you want their parties to vote against gutting the gun registry
What you're really salivating after is a total gun ban.
Precisely, to Unionists credit, he comes as close to saying it as anyone, but you are right this is an argument founded on dishonesty.
Last March, when gun-control wannabe abolitionist MP Garry Breitkreuz was pushing his private member's bill C-301, women leaders across Canada wrote to Michael Ignatieff demanding that he hold the line and defeat this bill. Obviously, when C-391 rolled around, Iggy showed his true colours. The letter and list of signatories are worth recalling:
Friday, March 6, 2009
Mr. Michael Ignatieff, M.P.
Re: Do not dismantle gun control. Defeat Bill C-301 on April 1, 2009Leader of the Official Opposition
House of Commons
Ottawa, ON
Dear Sir,
The signatories to this letter are deeply concerned about Conservative MP Garry Breitkreuz's Private Member Bill C-301, which will relax controls on restricted and prohibited guns (including handguns, assault weapons and machine guns) as well as eliminate the registration of rifles and shotguns. Please ensure your party defeats this proposed legislation at second reading on April 1, 2009.
You have stated your commitment to ending violence against women. Our gun law is not only a monument to those who were killed on December 6, 1989 at l'École Polytechnique, but is recognized worldwide as an effective tool for reducing gun violence targeting women. Commitment to ending violence against women requires more than wearing a white ribbon on December 6th. As the 20th anniversary of the Montreal massacre approaches, it would be a travesty if the party you lead helps dismantle the gun law we all worked so hard to pass.
Our laws have made Canada safer.
Policing, public health and victims' organizations across Canada - including those from Polytechnique and Dawson College - support sensible gun control. On behalf of millions of women in Canada, so do we. As the Alberta Court of Appeal noted, gun control is a women's issue: women represent a small percentage of Canada's 2 million gun owners. But they account for a high percentage of the victims of gun violence.
Mandatory screening, licensing and renewal for all firearm owners as well as registration of all firearms are important measures for protecting the safety of women. Renewable licenses reduce the risk that individuals with a history of domestic violence will have access to firearms. Registration ensures that the police can take preventative action. The proposed law extends the licensing period for 10 years for all gun owners (including those who own handguns and assault weapons), reducing the opportunities for review and ensuring that information is up to date. Canada's licensing system, with spousal renewal, is essential for the safety of women. Do not help undermine it and jeopardize our safety and the safety of our children.
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Rifles and shotguns are the firearms most often used to kill women and children in domestic violence. Access to a firearm is the fifth leading predictor of female homicide in domestic violence. The proposed law also eliminates the requirement to register rifles and shotguns. The Supreme Court underscored the importance of registration as a means of enforcing the licensing provisions of the law. If a licensed owner can buy as many guns as they want without having their name associated with the guns through the registry, there is little to prevent them from giving those guns to individuals without licenses. Information about the guns individuals owns is essential to enforcing prohibition orders and supporting preventative action by Canada's police agencies; they currently use the registry 9400 times per day. There are many powerful semi-automatic firearms currently classified as unrestricted firearms, including the Ruger Mini-14 used at Polytechnique. Repeatedly, inquests into the murders of women and children recommended the licensing of gun owners and registration of guns to prevent further tragedies.
There is no place for military and tactical weapons in the hands of civilians. Almost 400,000 Canadians signed a petition calling for a ban on these weapons and most countries in the world prohibit civilian possession of fully automatic and semi automatic weapons. The shooting at Dawson college taught us a bitter lesson - that the lists of prohibited firearms have not been updated since the law passed in 1995. We want more control on these weapons, not less. Bill C-301 relaxes controls allowing fully automatic weapons to be taken to shooting ranges.
Canadian women continue to support overwhelmingly the licensing of gun owners and registration of all firearms. Polls have shown that while half of gun owners opposed the law, 77% of people living with a gun owner supported it. Women are rightly concerned about access to rifles and shotguns in cases of domestic violence and suicide:
Let us be clear: the stakes could not be higher for Canadian women. Ending violence against women requires more than talk. It requires action. We urge you to lead your party to reduce violence and suicide in our families and our communities, by defeating Bill C-301 on April 1.
Signatories listed on attached page.
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Signing in opposition to Bill C301:
NATIONAL ORGANIZATIONS
National Council of Women of Canada
Karen Dempsey
President
YWCA of Canada
Paulette Senior
CEO
Canadian Federation of University Women
Susan Russell
Executive Director
Michele Landsberg
Writer
PROVINCIAL / COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS
Jan Reimer
Provincial Co-ordinator
Alberta Council of Women's Shelters
Edmonton, AB
Hélène Cornellier
Coordonnatrice du plan d'action et des communications
AFEAS (Association féminine d'éducation et d'action sociale)
Montreal, QC
Sadeqa Siddiqui
Coordonnatrice
Centre Comm. des Femmes Sud-Asiatique
Montréal, QC
Réjean Parent
President
Centrale syndicats du Québec
Montréal, QC
Viviane Doré-Nadeau
ConcertAction Femmes Estrie
Sherbrooke, QC
Sylvie Haviernick
Founder
Fond. du 6 décembre contre la violence
Montréal, QC
Marylaine Léger
Director
Pleins Pouvoirs KIDPOWER Montreal
Montréal QC
Leslie Tutty
RESOLVE
Calgary, AB
Judy Rebick
CAW-Sam Gindin Chair in Social Justice and Democracy
Ryerson University
Toronto, ON
Yvette Houle
Executive Director
Dr. Margaret Savage Crisis Centre
Cold Lake, AB
Leanne Wruck
Acting Director
U. of Alberta Sexual Assault Centre
Edmonton, Alberta
Marilou McPhedran
Principal, Global College
University of Winnipeg
Heather McGregor
CEO
YWCA Toronto
Toronto, ON
If people want to keep this registry, I'd recommend they make their feelings known, as individuals, to their respective MPs, not just from within umbrella groups. You can be sure the Cons are trying to mobilize their supporters on this issue.
Dennis Gruending (former NDP MP for Saskatoon-Rosetown-Biggar) has an excellent and thoughtful post on the subject:
Read on to hear his attempt to explain how a hotbed of agrarian radicalism could have morphed into this kind of illogic.
Bill C-391 will prolong random acts of violence against women
Statement signed by Nicole Pietsch, coordinator of the Ontario Coalition of Rape Crisis Centres, and JoAnne Brooks, of the Women's Sexual Assault Centre of Renfrew County.
More on the CLC's postcard campaign
Byers says, "Rather than promoting women's equality, the federal government is severely limiting women's capacity to organize, advocate and lobby. They won't support women's equality in the workplace and have limited women's rights to challenge discrimination before the courts. We will not accept an erosion of our hard-won equality rights and we will not be silenced by a socially conservative government agenda."
79 confidence votes from the effective private property party coalition Liberals and one divine intervention by the GG later...
Thanks for highlighting the postcard campaign, Fidel.
From the CAW website:
Day 7 - Pensions: A Long Safe Life
Day 7: (Pensions: A Long Safe Life)
Age is no protection against violence. And many older women live in poverty. They need improved public pensions to achieve financial independence and security.
Twenty years is too long.
Government attention to violence against women is long overdue. A law and order agenda is not the answer. Women need economic and social security to be safe at home, at work and in our communities. We need support for women's services and equality.
Now is the time for action.
A very telling example of this is the Saskatchewan riding of Yorkton-Melville. It used to be an NDP stronghold. Now it's represented by Garry Breitkreuz, who is the most outspoken MP in terms of opposing gun control, and it's one of the safest Tory seats in the country.
A very telling example of this is the Saskatchewan riding of Yorkton-Melville. It used to be an NDP stronghold.
Oh that just means it's destined to become an NDP seat again once the SaskaTories or Steve Harpers pull a Grant Devine or Brian Mulroney of things. Mark my words, they won't be able to help themselves in the end.
It's important that we distinguish the difference between gun licensing and the gun registry. Gun licensing is incredibly important as it screens, tests and educates every potential gun owner. The registry simply lays a piece of paper beside a gun that has already been legally purchased by a qualified individual. Dropping the registry does not make it any easier for a person to buy a gun, nor does it prevent a mad man from using the gun to maim or kill.
Rhetoric and emotions aside, Lets look at the numbers. Firearm related deaths have been in steady decline since the 1970's. The data in the Canadian Mortality Database, demonstrates it was the introduction of Bill C-17 in 1991 that had an immediate and dramatic effect on further reducing gun deaths. Bill C-17 made screening of firearms owners mandatory. I don't know anybody who wants to eliminate screening. It is the single most important aspect of gun control.
After 1995, when gun registration became compulsory, the death rate for firearms-related injuries continued to go down. But the rate at which it dropped actually slowed. The numbers show beyond any reasonable doubt that the gun registry did not contribute to the decline in firearm deaths in any way, shape or form in this country. To say otherwise is simply ignoring the facts.
It should also be noted that in Canada about four-fifths of all firearms-related deaths are suicides.
Pittsky there have been lots of emotional outbursts concerning gun registry for sure. Thanks for the information. Facts are good.
That's an interesting graph, and I don't really have a horse in this race (although I do side with the long-gun registry from instinct and principle) but it looks like the graph suggests that from 1979 to 1991, firearm deaths stayed at about 10/100 000, and have gone consistently down since 1991. While I agree that the graph does not prove that the registry had an immediate effect, it also does not discount that the registry may have contributed to the continued decline in firearm deaths.
Pittsky there have been lots of emotional outbursts concerning gun registry for sure. Thanks for the information. Facts are good.
Thank you. I am brand new here and was a bit worried about wading into this. I guess my position is I believe in effective gun control, not more gun control.
That's an interesting graph, and I don't really have a horse in this race (although I do side with the long-gun registry from instinct and principle) but it looks like the graph suggests that from 1979 to 1991, firearm deaths stayed at about 10/100 000, and have gone consistently down since 1991. While I agree that the graph does not prove that the registry had an immediate effect, it also does not discount that the registry may have contributed to the continued decline in firearm deaths.
Perhaps. Who knows either way though right? I feel that based on the data, I would like to have seen the billion plus dollars the registry cost put into hospitals, police departments, shelters etc. Money put into these areas would show immediate concrete results. We could have had an MRI in almost every major hospital in the country. Instead, we are left to scratch our collective heads and say "maybe it helped, maybe it didn't".
Well, the billion dollar price tag was a bit of a disaster, to be sure. But it's money spent. If you want to improve public saftey wrt firearms, isn't this exactly how you develop policy? Develop a program based on the input of police, health care workers, and citizens? Why would we remove it after it's already in place? Based on testimony from these groups now, it appears that it is doing something--whether it justifies the original 10-figure price tag is up for debate, but to remove it now would be incredibly wasteful.
And, for the record, I would avoid such phrasing as "beyond any reasonable doubt" when showing a single graph from which we could draw a variety of conclusions.
I am looking at your graph and I cannot see any jumps and dips on the period from 1990 to 95. so it would appear to me that the data from 92.93,94 was ignored. Did the government collect NO gun deaths info in that period?
And if they did report deaths in those years why are they not included?
If I am correct, the sharp dip shown from 90 to 95 is probably a misrepresentation and the sharp dip actually occured when registration took place.
I found some figures for 1992 and I think they support what I said. The total for 92 should show the line going relatively high to that point and then the steep drop starting. I have checked some more.
The rates for murders with firearms per hundred thousand people in Canada were HIGHER in 1991 AND 1992 than they were in 1990! so the graph is incorrect for that period!
Brian
It's important that we distinguish the difference between gun licensing and the gun registry.
Well, the billion dollar price tag was a bit of a disaster, to be sure. But it's money spent. If you want to improve public saftey wrt firearms, isn't this exactly how you develop policy? Develop a program based on the input of police, health care workers, and citizens? Why would we remove it after it's already in place? Based on testimony from these groups now, it appears that it is doing something--whether it justifies the original 10-figure price tag is up for debate, but to remove it now would be incredibly wasteful.
And, for the record, I would avoid such phrasing as "beyond any reasonable doubt" when showing a single graph from which we could draw a variety of conclusions.
The registry is in place, sure. Can you show me any convictions it is responsible for? This has been a standing challenge to all police chiefs who support the registry. To date not one conviction can be credited to the billion dollar registry. That is a terrible & expensive track record.
Crown prosecutors will not enter the registry data in court because the data it in is so garbled. A recent FOI request showed the registry has error rates between 70% and 90%.
http://www.garrybreitkreuz.com/publications/ErrorRate-FirearmsRegistrationSystem.pdf
This money should be diverted now to better causes.
The data is complete. There are movements in the 90 - 95 period. Look closer. I could provide actual numbers if you insist.
I am looking at your graph and I cannot see any jumps and dips on the period from 1990 to 95. so it would appear to me that the data from 92.93,94 was ignored. Did the government collect NO gun deaths info in that period?
And if they did report deaths in those years why are they not included?
If I am correct, the sharp dip shown from 90 to 95 is probably a misrepresentation and the sharp dip actually occured when registration took place.
I found some figures for 1992 and I think they support what I said. The total for 92 should show the line going relatively high to that point and then the steep drop starting.
Brian
It's important that we distinguish the difference between gun licensing and the gun registry. Gun licensing is incredibly important as it screens, tests and educates every potential gun owner. The registry simply lays a piece of paper beside a gun that has already been legally purchased by a qualified individual. Dropping the registry does not make it any easier for a person to buy a gun, nor does it prevent a mad man from using the gun to maim or kill.
Rhetoric and emotions aside, Lets look at the numbers. Firearm related deaths have been in steady decline since the 1970's. The data in the Canadian Mortality Database, demonstrates it was the introduction of Bill C-17 in 1991 that had an immediate and dramatic effect on further reducing gun deaths. Bill C-17 made screening of firearms owners mandatory. I don't know anybody who wants to eliminate screening. It is the single most important aspect of gun control.
After 1995, when gun registration became compulsory, the death rate for firearms-related injuries continued to go down. But the rate at which it dropped actually slowed. The numbers show beyond any reasonable doubt that the gun registry did not contribute to the decline in firearm deaths in any way, shape or form in this country. To say otherwise is simply ignoring the facts.
It should also be noted that in Canada about four-fifths of all firearms-related deaths are suicides.
I would appreciate if you keep your debate out of this thread and forum. You are welcome to open a thread in National News to continue the other thread.
I would appreciate if you keep your debate out of this thread and forum. You are welcome to open a thread in National News to continue the other thread.
Sorry, my bad.
http://www.statcan.gc.ca/daily-quotidien/091028/dq091028a-eng.htm
"There were 200 homicides committed with a firearm in 2008, 12 more than in 2007. The rate of homicides committed with a firearm has increased 24% since 2002.
There were 146 female homicide victims, 17 fewer than in 2007. Women accounted for 24% of homicide victims in 2008, the lowest proportion since statistics were first collected."
Interesting, homicide by firearms on the rise since 2002, not shown on the above chart, and at the same time fewer women have been victims, so it seems the number of firearms homicides and the murder of women aren't that tightly connected. Maybe that decline has little to do with gun registration seeing as the overall rate of firearm homicide is rising.
From the chart on that page you can clearly see the homicide rate falling since the early 70's, oddly enough shortly after the registry came in the homicide rate started trending upwards, im not suggesting the registry is at fault, but it certainly doesn't seem to be helping does it.
All the more interesting is the stat that about 22% of homicides were gang related in 2008, other multiyear avergaes have show that only 2% of homicides are comitted with registered weapons, makes sense to focus all this effort on that 2%, to some.
Not sure if you want me gone too.
Anyway, the graph is crap. It uses the wrong data!
It is about death by gun NOT murder by gun. So changes in suicide rates among men are hiding what is happening to the murder rate.
If you plot death of female by gun (which is nearly all murder) the real story starts to show. The murder rate did not show a big drop until after 1996.
Anyway, before I go, I will edit my previous post to remove the graph.
If you want the real picture, look at the females part of his graph. Thats the only part of it that is relevent.
Brian
Many postcard campaigns are in full swing leading up to the December 6 day of remembrance. One of them is this campaign sponsored by the Canadian Labour Congress:
A gun in the home increases the risk of harm for women and children.
The law is working: gun-related spousal homicides are down 50%. Keep the gun registry.
Please visit the link to send your postcard and circulate widely among colleagues and friends!
Thank you.
So you start a thread about a mail in campaign which insinustes that the registry is responsible for a 50 percent decline in spousal homicides, which is absolutely untrue, then you try to stifle debate, no doubt under the guise of support for women.
Not terribly surprising. I would think that supporting women with the truth, and helping where it will do the most good would be most important, but no, thats not what you're playing at.