Tragedy at Fort Hood, Texas

Submitted by Frmrsldr on November 9, 2009 - 2:50am.

Here are the words of 'I am heavily influenced by the Israel lobby' Senator Joseph Lieberman:

Joseph Lieberman as quoted by Fox News wrote:

There are very, very strong warning signs here that Dr Hasan had become an Islamist extremist and, therefore, that this was a terrorist act.

It's clear that he was, one, under personal stress and, two - if the reports that we're receiving of various statements he made, acts he took are valid - he had turned to Islamist extremism.

If that is true, the murder of these 13 people was a terrorist act.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20091108/pl_afp/usshootingcrimemilitarysenat...

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Submitted by Frmrsldr on November 9, 2009 - 3:53am.

How 'voluntary' is the all 'volunteer' military?

http://original.antiwar.com/engelhardt/2009/11/08/who-will-be-sent-to-af...

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Submitted by Unionist on November 9, 2009 - 8:59am.

Joseph Lieberman as quoted by Fox News wrote:

There are very, very strong warning signs here that Dr Hasan had become an Islamist extremist and, therefore, that this was a terrorist act.

It's clear that he was, one, under personal stress and, two - if the reports that we're receiving of various statements he made, acts he took are valid - he had turned to Islamist extremism.

If that is true, the murder of these 13 people was a terrorist act.

Hey!!! Was Joe posting in the previous thread under a pseudonym!?

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Submitted by Doug on November 9, 2009 - 2:35pm.

Frmrsldr wrote:

Hasan computer reveals no terror ties:

True, but it apparently wasn't for lack of trying.

U.S. intelligence agencies were aware months ago that Army Major Nidal Malik Hasan was attempting to make contact with people associated with al Qaeda, two American officials briefed on classified material in the case told ABC News.

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Submitted by Frmrsldr on November 9, 2009 - 11:22pm.

Doug wrote:

Frmrsldr wrote:

Hasan computer reveals no terror ties:

True, but it apparently wasn't for lack of trying.

U.S. intelligence agencies were aware months ago that Army Major Nidal Malik Hasan was attempting to make contact with people associated with al Qaeda, two American officials briefed on classified material in the case told ABC News.

A classic case of the liberty of the individual in conflict (and losing against) with the power and security of the state. If the spokespeople for the CIA and FBI etc., are correct - then they were monitoring and building up a file on Maj. Hasan and had notified the Army of his alleged activites. Sounds like the intelligence community had disabled Hasan's ability to contact alleged Al Qaeda members, so it sounds like the U.S. intelligence community was using him as an unwitting "zombie" (agent). The intelligence community passed on (at least some of) their information to the Army, but the fact that the shooting incident occurred suggests the Army was told by the intelligance community to do nothing.

Support for the Iraq and Afghan wars are flagging in the U.S. (as they are everywhere else) with 58% opposed to war. Such an incident as the shooting allegedly perpetrated by a Muslim "radical" might be just the thing to turn a lack of support for war around. Having a file of alleged Al Qaeda contacts/connections is an added nice touch.

Keep in mind, having a live homegrown American "Al Qaeda terrorist", rather than his being dead, as a focal point that the rest of Americans can vicariously vent their fears, anger and hatred toward, makes him a far greater asset.

Each day, power is more and more spinning out of control of the individual and our elected government with the result that we have less and less control over our lives and the society we live in. More and more, political power is being taken over by THEM.

Who are THEY? THEY are unelected bureaucrats and civilian agencies who normally carry out the 'business' of government, but who are more and more taking over the executive branch of government. THEY are the CIA, FBI and the rest of the intelligence community.

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Submitted by jas on November 10, 2009 - 1:48am.

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U.S. intelligence agencies were aware months ago that Army Major Nidal Malik Hasan was attempting to make contact with people associated with al Qaeda, two American officials briefed on classified material in the case told ABC News.

Yes, they were aware months ago... but they needed more information...

So the articles posted in the first thread [8] were just making shit up about Hasan wanting a discharge for years, not wanting to be deployed?

Another grim warning to Muslims in America: don't ever lose your sanity while holding a gun (or maybe don't lose your sanity, period) or the ties that others have drawn between you and Al-Qaeda already will become that much more obvious. All sorts of information will come forward about your terrorist activities.

Another stupid misinformation campaign.

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Submitted by Mick on November 11, 2009 - 12:51am.

Letter from IVAW to President Obama

President Obama visited Fort Hood today. He dropped by Michael Kern's barracks. Michael handed President Obama a letter, saying, "Sir, IVAW has some concerns we'd like for you to address." Obama then dropped his hand and went on to speak to the next soldier. The secret service then took possession of the letter:

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Submitted by Frmrsldr on November 11, 2009 - 2:37am.

Wow, thank you for your moving and impressive post, Mick.

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Submitted by Frmrsldr on November 11, 2009 - 3:09am.

Devlin Barrett wrote:

The disclosure Tuesday of the defense investigator's role suggested that the U.S. military was aware of worrisome behavior by the massacre suspect long before the attack. Just hours later, a senior defense official, also demanding anonymity, directly contradicted that notion.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=9040165

The process of "plausible deniability" and "deep sixing" who knew (or didn't know) what and when has begun already.

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Submitted by NDPP on November 11, 2009 - 3:12am.

Most Wicked Speed: Hate Tropes Spread

http://www.chris-floyd.com/component/content/article/1-latest-news/1873-...

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Submitted by Doug on November 11, 2009 - 7:54am.

They don't call them jarheads for nothing!

Marine reservist Jasen Bruce was getting clothes out of the trunk of his car Monday evening when a bearded man in a robe approached him.

That man, a Greek Orthodox priest named Father Alexios Marakis, speaks little English and was lost, police said. He wanted directions.

What the priest got instead, police say, was a tire iron to the head. Then he was chased for three blocks and pinned to the ground — as the Marine kept a 911 operator on the phone, saying he had captured a terrorist.

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Submitted by Mick on November 11, 2009 - 11:00pm.

IVAW wrote:

Veterans Day message to President Obama

Dear Supporter,

On this Veterans Day, Iraq Veterans Against the War is asking you to stand in solidarity with the thousands of veterans who experience the human cost of war every day of their lives. Last week's massacre at Ft. Hood and the reverberations it has had throughout that military community reveals the impact of a war policy that demands multiple deployments from troops who have already sacrificed all that they can.

Yesterday, during President Obama's visit to Ft. Hood troops, IVAW chapter president and active duty soldier, Mike Kern, attempted to hand the President a letter regarding the dire need of mental health services for troops. A member of the Secret Service took the letter from Mike, and he is not sure whether President Obama ever got to read his message.

Click here to download the letter intended for President Obama.

Please help us get this message to the President.

1) You can click here to sign a petition to President Obama asking him to take urgent action to meet the menal health needs of soldiers at Ft. Hood:

2) Download the letter and send it yourself to the President at his address:

President Barack Obama
The White House
1600 Pennsylvania Avenue NW
Washington, DC 20500

3) Send a letter to the base command of Ft. Hood asking that they provide reasonable and professional mental health care to veterans. IVAW's Ft. Hood chapter is asking for the following, and you may use this in your letter:

1. Each soldier pre and post deployment should be assigned a mental health provider who will reach out to them, rather than requiring them to initiate the search for help.

2. Take steps to remove the stigma of seeking mental health care.

3. Ensure that if mental health care is not available from military facilities, soldiers can seek mental health care with civilian providers of their choice.

4. Ensure that soldiers are prevented from deploying with mental health problems and issues.

5. Stop multiple re-deployments of the same troops.

6. Ensure full background checks for all mental health providers and periodic check ups for them to decompress from the stresses they shoulder counseling soldiers and enduring heavy workloads.

Send your letter to:

Lieutenant General Rick Lynch
Commanding General
III Corps HQ
1001 761st Tank Battalion Ave.
Bldg. 1001, Room W105
Fort Hood, TX 76544-5005

3) Make a donation to IVAW to support our efforts at Ft. Hood in the coming days.

In Solidarity,

Iraq Veterans Against the War

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Submitted by Frmrsldr on November 13, 2009 - 3:07am.

Update:

Angela K. Brown and Lolita C. Baldor wrote:

The Army psychiatrist accused in the Fort Hood shootings was charged with 13 counts of premeditated murder in the military's legal system, making him eligible for the death penalty if convicted, officials said Thursday...

... U.S. Army Criminal Investigation Command spokesman Chris Grey said at a news conference that additional charges may be filed against Hasan.

Officials told the Associated Press before the news conference that it had not been decided whether to charge Hasan with a 14th count of murder related to the death of the unborn child of a pregnant shooting victim. The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak about the case publicly.

Fort Hood officials declined to specify what the other charges against Hasan could be. Under a provision in the military code, a suspect can be charged with death of an unborn child, which is defined as a fetus at any stage of development, said Richard Stevens, a civilian attorney who handles military cases but is not involved in Hasan's case.

John Galligan, Hasan's civilian attorney, said his military co-counsel told him that charges were being read to Hasan in the hospital without his lawyers present...

... Grey said investigators believe Hasan was the lone gunman. Hasan was not at the Soldier Readiness Center for any pre-deployment activities when he allegedly opened fire last week, Grey said.

http://wire.antiwar.com/2009/11/12/army-fort-hood-suspect-charged-with-m...

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Submitted by Stargazer on November 13, 2009 - 12:14pm.

Facebook now has a group called "Should the US kick all Muslims Out?" They are going nuts down there with this, as if they don't have a ton of their own white boy red neck militia terrorists. These people, I don't know, there is something seriously wrong with them and a society that breeds that type of hatred.

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Submitted by Ghislaine on November 13, 2009 - 12:40pm.

Stargazer wrote:

Facebook now has a group called "Should the US kick all Muslims Out?" They are going nuts down there with this, as if they don't have a ton of their own white boy red neck militia terrorists. These people, I don't know, there is something seriously wrong with them and a society that breeds that type of hatred.

There have been facebook groups like that in Canada as well. I don't think it serves us well to pretend that we are the glorious anti-racist country to the north of the racists. Clearly we are not.

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Submitted by Frustrated Mess on November 13, 2009 - 12:43pm.

It is a truly sick society.

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Submitted by Stargazer on November 13, 2009 - 12:56pm.

Ghisliane I'm not pretending anything. I simply pointed the group out and its origins.

BTW did you know the US of A produces more serial killers than the entire world combined? There is a difference between the US and the rest of the world. Social scientusts have been studying this for years.

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Submitted by Snert on November 13, 2009 - 12:57pm.

Quote:

I don't think it serves us well to pretend that we are the glorious anti-racist country to the north of the racists. Clearly we are not.

I'm not suggesting that we ARE glorious in our anti-racism, but I would hope that whether a country is or isn't progressive might be measured by looking at official policies, laws and practices moreso than looking at its fringe elements. Given the anonymity of the internet, I can't imagine any population of people of any significant size in which you wouldn't find some abhorrent racists (and every other kind of sicko as well). Will we only truly be any different from the U.S. when ZERO out of 30,000,000 Canadians holds a racist belief?

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Submitted by Star Spangled C... on November 13, 2009 - 2:20pm.

Having lived in both countries, my experience is that the distinctions between us are basically meaningless.

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Submitted by Stargazer on November 13, 2009 - 2:55pm.

I think there is a lot of difference.

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Submitted by Frmrsldr on November 14, 2009 - 12:31am.

Stargazer wrote:

Facebook now has a group called "Should the US kick all Muslims Out?" They are going nuts down there with this, as if they don't have a ton of their own white boy red neck militia terrorists. These people, I don't know, there is something seriously wrong with them and a society that breeds that type of hatred.

Have you noticed how the Harpo government is taking us in this direction, reluctant to help Canadians facing difficulties in foreign countries who have Islamic sounding names and/or are members of visible minorities?

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Submitted by al-Qa'bong on November 14, 2009 - 12:43am.

Bill O'Reilly:

"We should win hearts and minds because we can't kill all the Muslims"

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Submitted by Frmrsldr on November 14, 2009 - 2:20am.

Update:

Angela K. Brown and Suzanne Gamboa wrote:

... Recovering in the intensive care unit at San Antonio's Brooke Army Medical Center, Hasan has told his attorney he has no feeling in his legs and extreme pain in his hands.

Galligan said doctors have told Hasan he may be permanently paralyzed from the waist down. He called his client's medical condition "extremely serious" and said Hasan didn't flinch when Galligan touched his leg during a meeting Thursday, when one of Hasan's relatives was able to see him for the first time since he was hospitalized.

Hospital spokesman Dewey Mitchell said he could not confirm whether Hasan was paralyzed, since Hasan has directed hospital officials not to release any information about his condition or injuries.

http://wire.antiwar.com/2009/11/13/lawmaker-hasan-had-communications-wit...

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Submitted by remind on November 14, 2009 - 1:28pm.

Frmrsldr wrote:

Have you noticed how the Harpo government is taking us in this direction, reluctant to help Canadians facing difficulties in foreign countries who have Islamic sounding names and/or are members of visible minorities?

Well, considering the ties BBC has to Charles McVety and McVety has to Harper, it becomes even more clear.....

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Submitted by SparkyOne on November 14, 2009 - 1:30pm.

Anyone notice NOW all of a sudden the CIA was investigating this guy for contacting some right-wing Iman?

Funny how it goes from no evidence of speaking to "terrorists"and now all of a sudden strange emails are popping up.

Little late there fellas

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Submitted by Stargazer on November 14, 2009 - 4:47pm.

Ya but they are Teflon. Nothing will ever stick to them.

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Submitted by Sineed on November 14, 2009 - 5:13pm.

Stargazer wrote:

They are going nuts down there with this, as if they don't have a ton of their own white boy red neck militia terrorists. These people, I don't know, there is something seriously wrong with them and a society that breeds that type of hatred.

Bingo! Think of Tim McVey, the fundamentalist Christian right-wing terrorist who blew up a building 14 years ago. And all the abortion clinic bombings. The US is overrun with right-wing terrorists. And it produces 70% of the world's serial killers. And with 5% of the world's population, they consume 90-95% of the world's narcotic supply.

Not saying that Canada is perfect, but the US is seriously broken.

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Submitted by mahmoud on November 19, 2009 - 5:37pm.

He definaetly had ties to islamic terrorist minded people..but this doesnt mean he was a terrorist

However, he was a very religious muslim and his religious values dictated his life which made him go in conflict with non traditional islamic cultures. I think the prevent such scenarios, there needs to be more rehabilitation groups to reform

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Submitted by mahmoud on November 19, 2009 - 5:39pm.

Sineed wrote:

Stargazer wrote:

They are going nuts down there with this, as if they don't have a ton of their own white boy red neck militia terrorists. These people, I don't know, there is something seriously wrong with them and a society that breeds that type of hatred.

Bingo! Think of Tim McVey, the fundamentalist Christian right-wing terrorist who blew up a building 14 years ago. And all the abortion clinic bombings. The US is overrun with right-wing terrorists. And it produces 70% of the world's serial killers. And with 5% of the world's population, they consume 90-95% of the world's narcotic supply.

Not saying that Canada is perfect, but the US is seriously broken.

clear bias, lets stick to the topic

there is question and relevance to talk about his islamic influence, doesnt mean he is an islamic terrorist

but this clearly has nothing to do with the rigght wing christians, lets keep them out of this thread, and talk about them in anti abortion riots etc

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Submitted by Frmrsldr on November 20, 2009 - 1:17am.

Here's a new wrinkle to the story:

Joseph Rhee, Mary-Rose Abraham, Anna Schecter and Brian Ross wrote:

Major Nidal Malik Hasan's military superiors repeatedly ignored or rebuffed his efforts to open criminal prosecutions of soldiers he claimed had confessed to "war crimes" during psychiatric counseling, according to investigative reports circulated among federal law enforcement officials...

... Investigators believe Hasan's frustration over the failure of the Army to pursue what he regarded as criminal acts by U.S. soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan may have helped trigger the shootings...

... His last effort to get the attention of military investigators came on Nov. 2, three days before his alleged shooting spree, according to the reports.

Colonel Anthony Febbo at Fort Hood reportedly told investigators he was twice contacted by Hasan, on Nov. 2 and a week earlier in October, about the question of whether he could legally provide information on "war crimes" he had learned in the course of psychiatric counseling he provided soldiers returning from Iraq and Afghanistan...

... Legal analysts say psychiatrists are strictly bound by the rules of patient confidentiality except in cases where they might become aware of crimes about to be committed.

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/officials-major-hasan-sought-war-crimes-pr...

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Submitted by Frmrsldr on November 21, 2009 - 11:12pm.

Alicia Chang wrote:

Two days before shipping off to war, Marine Pfc. Jesse Sheets sat inside a trailer in the Mojave Desert, his gaze fixed on a computer that flashed a rhythmic pulse of contrasting images.

Smiling kids embracing a soldier. A dog sniffing blood oozing from a corpse. Movie star Cameron Diaz posing sideways in a midriff top. Troops cowering for safety during an ambush.

A doctor tracked his stress levels and counted the number of times he blinked. Electrode wires dangled from his left eye and right pinky finger.

http://wire.antiwar.com/2009/11/20/military-experiment-seeks-to-predict-...

Yikes! Sounds like something out of the movie "The Parallax View".

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Submitted by Frmrsldr on November 21, 2009 - 11:23pm.

Update

Nidal Hasan hearing in Hospital Saturday:

The Associated Press wrote:

SAN ANTONIO - An attorney for the Army psychiatrist charged in the mass shooting at Fort Hood says his client will have his first court hearing in his hospital room Saturday.

Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan's civilian attorney, John Galligan, said Friday that prosecutors notified him of their plans for the hearing at the Brooke Army Medical Center...

... The hearing is to determine whether Hasan will be placed in pre-trial confinement - that usually means jail. But Galligan says he will argue that Hasan should remain in intensive care because he is paralyzed and still needs hospital care.

http://www.armytimes.com/news/2009/11/ap_army_hood_hasan_hearing_112009/

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Submitted by Frmrsldr on November 23, 2009 - 2:37am.

Fort Hood suspect paralyzed from chest down, lawyer says:

Philip Rucker wrote:

BELTON, TEX. -- Maj. Nidal M. Hasan, the Army psychiatrist charged with killing 13 people at Fort Hood, Tex., is paralyzed from the chest down and doctors believe his paralysis will be permanent. Hasan's lawyer said Sunday...

During a closed-door hearing in Hasan's hospital room on Saturday that lasted about an hour, a magistrate ruled that Hasan be confined until his military trial, Galligan said.

"In the middle of this hearing, he started to nod off and go to sleep," Galligan said. "When I've spoken with him, he's coherent, but your ability to have any meaningful exchange with him is limited in time and subject."...

... Hasan will remain in confinement until his court-martial, a date for which has not been set. He has been charged with 13 counts of premeditated murder in the Nov. 5 massacre, but Galligan said he "fully anticipates" that military prosecutors might file additional charges.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/22/AR200911...

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Tragedy at Fort Hood, Texas

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