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Duncan's deputy on P&P twice in the past week blamed Charlie Angus for misrepresenting the government's plan. And, so far, as far as I can tell, the government is rejecting all but their own plan - which as Evan Solomon pointed out yesterday, is contingent on acceptance of their third party manager - who has had control of federal funding to the band for a few days now. I haven't seen any updates today from anyone - not from Charlie Angus, Duncan, Chief Spence,  Turmel, APTN, or for that matter, anyone from the federal government at all. As far as I know the community is transforming the hockey rink and healing lodge into emergency short term shelters, and anyone who wants to leave will be evacuated out, and $500,000 is being used to rebuild what housing can be repaired. Does anyone here have a very latest update?

quizzical

Please excuse if my perceptions of what has transpired with Turmel is different from those detailing their own observations. There appears to be a glaring difference though, and will detail how I see it, maybe we can find a good point to concur? Not wanting to offend just distressed about how points of action are being portrayed.

On December 7th Turmel sent this letter to the federal government.

 

http://xfer.ndp.ca/2011/2011-12-07-attawapiskat/111207_turmel-attawapisk...

It says:

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Re: Attawapiskat State of Emergency

Dear Prime Minister Harper,

It has been almost a month since the Attawapiskat First Nation took the extraordinary step of asking the federal government to recognize a state of emergency in their community.

I have seen first-hand how hundreds of families are living in garden sheds and tents, with no running water or electricity. These families are worried about surviving the cold winter that has already come to Attawapiskat.

I have met with the residents of Attawapiskat, and they are asking that appropriate federal resources be dedicated to alleviating this crisis. There is no time to waste.

Last week, the federal government put the community under third-party management, and assumed full responsibility for solving the crisis. As of this week, however, there are still families living in completely inadequate conditions.

Moving supplies into this community to alleviate the housing crisis will require an extraordinary level of co-ordination. Given the extreme weather conditions and the fact that the winter road will not be ready for nearly two months, the community is seeking coordinated logistical help. For this reason, they have asked me to convey that they are asking for military support to help in the response.

Our military has played an incredible role at times of other humanitarian crises in Canada. I am sure that you will agree that the conditions facing people in Attawapiskat are dire and likely to get worse as the winter sets in. Therefore I am asking you today to act immediately and target resources, including military resources as requested by the community, towards building adequate housing in Attawapiskat. You will have the full support of the New Democratic Party in this effort.

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Attawapiskat families require heated housing, clean drinking water, and urgent medical care. The situation is grave and if the community does not receive help, lives will be at risk.

This is a moment when we can come together as Parliamentarians to respond to a tragic situation.

Sincerely,

Nycole Turmel, M.P.

Leader of the Official Opposition

Leader of Canada's New Democrats

cc: Hon. John Duncan, Minister

Charlie Angus, M.P. Linda Duncan. M.P.

 

There is also a video of both her and Charlie Angus speaking with the community leaders.

 

http://www.ndp.ca/video/all/V6UXsLwzTRs

 

On that same day, in what appears to me to be a 3 pronged push at the government, Stan Louttit, (this is the Chief, that Atleo noted, also on the same day as Turmel's letter was sent, should be talking, in Unionist's post above) said Wednesday that troops could provide emergency shelters and help transport housing materials to the reserve, which declared a state of emergency a month ago over its deplorable living conditions.

 

as both Atleo's and Louttit's words note what transpired was a request from the Peoples themselves. It is quite apparent that Turmels' of the same day was part of their push.

 

It is also quite clear that when they declared a state of emergency a month ago what they expected to happen, which is what happens everywhere else in Canada when a state of emergency is declared, military support comes in to help with the circumstances.

 

For the life of me, I cannot see why pretty much everyone jumped on the Turmel bad band wagon over post #16 which based its premise on a report manufactured by the voice of the state, the CBC.

 

 

If you actually read the article linked at 16, and watch the video and read the letter, linked above, you will see how much spinning was going on by the CBC, and the government. Then of course the CBC started it all off wrong in the first linked article, in the first thread, where they stated no one from government, or opposition, has been addressing this, which is also false given that we all know Charlie Angus has been on it for a good long while now.

 

Should we not be pressuring the government, as opposed to trashing our own for absolutely doing nothing wrong?

 

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Unionist

Thanks quizzical - and welcome to babble!

Let me know when you find evidence of an actual prior request from the First Nation representatives to either the government - or to Nycole Turmel - to send in the military - and to have Turmel convey that request. If and when you do, I will agree with you.

These are not unfortunate souls looking for charity or a handout. They are the indigenous inhabitants of this land, they are sovereign, and we have a duty to give them that respect. It's not asking too much, is it, that we should listen carefully to them. If they want to appoint Nycole Turmel as their spokesperson, they know exactly how to do it. And they haven't done that.

If we don't get this much through our thick heads, then no marching in of troops and equipment is going to make any difference. On the contrary, the colonial status quo, which is responsible for this disaster and that facing (it is said) a hundred other communities, will become further entrenched.

 

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I'm pretty sure Charlie Angus and Jack Layton were both up in Attawapiskat in the year before Layton died; both came back determined that something had to be done. Unless it was a different village altogether - I'm not 100% certain. Will look for a link today.

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Good old CBC, count on em' to get it wrong unless its Bob Rae.

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yes, welcome to babble, q.

quizzical wrote:
If you actually read the article linked at 16, and watch the video and read the letter, linked above, you will see how much spinning was going on by the CBC, and the government. Then of course the CBC started it all off wrong in the first linked article, in the first thread, where they stated no one from government, or opposition, has been addressing this, which is also false given that we all know Charlie Angus has been on it for a good long while now.

Actually, I was so shocked and dismayed by the CBC headline that I immediately doubted that Turmel said such a thing. Sadly, further study did not disabuse me of that notion. We clearly have different definitions of what counts as negotiation and endorsement, especially when it comes to colonized nations. At any rate, it's quite clear that the NDP leader failed to take this opportunity to show Canadians the devastating fruits of two and a half centuries of colonization. Again: this is not an "act of God" disaster. This is deliberate and legislated, and our fault. Canada's fault. Not "Harper's fault," although he's doing his best. I don't see that level of desperately needed analysis in Turmel's "bring in the troops."

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 November 2007–Jack Layton, then federal NDP leader, visits the community and calls the conditions an “abomination.” 

May 2008 – Hundreds of people are evacuated from the community after a state of emergency is declared. The threat stems from the possibility of ice jams in the Attawapiskat River and subsequent flooding. 

June 2008 – De Beers Canada opens the Victor Mine. 

October 16, 2008 – Newly re-elected NDP MP Charlie Angus expresses big goals for his riding, hoping to secure a new elementary school. 

Read it on Global News: Global News | Putting Attawapiskat on the map 

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writer wrote:

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 November 2007–Jack Layton, then federal NDP leader, visits the community and calls the conditions an “abomination.” 

May 2008 – Hundreds of people are evacuated from the community after a state of emergency is declared. The threat stems from the possibility of ice jams in the Attawapiskat River and subsequent flooding. 

June 2008 – De Beers Canada opens the Victor Mine. 

October 16, 2008 – Newly re-elected NDP MP Charlie Angus expresses big goals for his riding, hoping to secure a new elementary school. 

Read it on Global News: Global News | Putting Attawapiskat on the map 

Thanks. That link is an eye-opener.

quizzical

Thank you unionist and catchfire, for the welcome, though I was a member, back in 2002 or 2003 I think it was,  under the moniker of Cherry, life happened and no time nor inclination to do other than read 'til I got so distressed over what I see as a misportrayal of Turmel's actions.

Having just moved off reserve a year ago, because of black mold hurting my chest, I feel deeply for those worse off even more than me and want to see  allies being supported not hurt.

Um....are you calling Turmel a liar over what she stated quite clearly in her letter, or just what are you trying to deny?

Are you denying the concurrent request by the Grand Chief?

I see no evidence that she was not asked. And given the report on APTN that was most positive towards Turmel's actions, I have no reason to believe that she stepped into a colonialistic mindset.

Michelle

I just watched a piece on CTV News now on this.  So let me get this straight - they're paying some banker $300,000 to go in there and look at their books?  And then the very next thing they say in the clip is that the Chief was getting paid the supposedly outrageous annual salary of...wait for it...not even 70 grand.

Up north.  69k.  That's $189 per day.  In a community where that salary would maybe go as far as, what, maybe $40,000 does down here due to everything having to be flown in?  Harper is calling it "mismanagement" that they are getting paid modest salaries while the banker he's sending gets paid $1,300 per day.  That's almost SEVEN TIMES as much as the Chief is getting paid.

Harper is complaining that some of the leaders have had expensive travel costs in and out of the community and calling that mismanagement?  How long have the leaders there had to fly to various places trying to publicize the plight of their people, to meet with officials to try to get help?  How much do his MPs spend on travel when they have to represent THEIR communities in Ottawa?

Harper and his gang of thugs - racist colonizers, every damn one.

NDPP

ah consultants...

"One version of her resume highlights consulting work conducted between the Attawapiskat First Nation, De Beers Mining Company and the Department of Aboriginal Affairs and Northern Development Canada. Her duties included 'Blockage issues, facilitation and relationship issues with De Beers, community issues, governance.."

El Qaddaffi's Son's Alleged Canadian Smuggler Had Attawapiskat On Her Resume

http://indiancountrytodaymedianetwork.com/2011/12/07/gaddhafi-sons-alleg...

 

6079_Smith_W

God. I just watched Rex Murphy. To hear his version you'd think there wasn't a racist person in the entire country.

And though he blamed it all on leaders stuck in old patterns, he never once mentioned Stephen Harper, prefering to single out Chief Theresa Spence. 

I guess she's to blame for thwarting non-native Canadians' sincere and burning desire to have a good relationship with First Nations. 

 

Michelle

An excellent couple of articles about this:

Dog-whistle politics played by Harper to his racist base:

http://www.straightgoods.ca/2011/ViewArticle.cfm?Ref=973

Attawapiskat responds to Harper's whistles:

http://www.straightgoods.ca/2011/ViewArticle.cfm?Ref=972

jas

Michelle wrote:

I just watched a piece on CTV News now on this.  So let me get this straight - they're paying some banker $300,000 to go in there and look at their books?  And then the very next thing they say in the clip is that the Chief was getting paid the supposedly outrageous annual salary of...wait for it...not even 70 grand.

... Harper is calling it "mismanagement" that they are getting paid modest salaries while the banker he's sending gets paid $1,300 per day.  That's almost SEVEN TIMES as much as the Chief is getting paid.

Not only that, but, as writer linked to above, it's the band who has to pay him. You know, with all the money they have.

http://www.thespec.com/news/canada/article/636786--attawapiskat-must-pay...

 

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Chief Spence said today the Band will NOT be paying the third party manager. Meanwhile, National Chief Atleo says civil disobedience is a tool that First Nations have used in the past and could use again.

ETA: Duncan said 15 modular homes are going up at the end of January. Chief Spence says they need 22 homes right away. And what's a "modular home" anyway? Canada's outspoken master of home renovations, Mike Holmes, says "stop building crap on reserves".

jas

Boom Boom wrote:

Chief Spence said today the Band will NOT be paying the third party manager. Meanwhile, National Chief Atleo says civil disobedience is a tool that First Nations have used in the past and could use again.

ETA: Duncan said 15 modular homes are going up at the end of January. Chief Spence says they need 22 homes right away. And what's a "modular home" anyway? Canada's outspoken master of home renovations, Mike Holmes, says "stop building crap on reserves".

Interesting article, Boom Boom. But it brings up the question for me: if this is traditional territory for this nation, what building materials have they used traditionally, and what kinds of structures did they build traditionally? And why do they no longer have access to these? Anyone know?

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"Traditionally," the James Bay Cree did not have permanent settlements like Attawapiskat. Permanent settlements were a product of inland fur traders, government agents, prospectors and missionaries--these changes, particularly to the James Bay Cree's mode of production and the gradual dispossession of the land by settlers, meant that the "traditional" means of living and habitation were no longer feasible or appropriate for the community's needs. This is the creeping treachery of colonialism.

We see it now with Duncan's humanitarian plea to evacuate residents until situations improve--knowing full well that without residents, there is no pressure to improve conditions, and FN dispossession of land, right and title continues apace.

We might as well ask why the Scots of the Niagara peninsula no longer build homes out of stacked cuts of peat moss.

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Chief Spence said today they're not interested in evacuations, according to CBC.

epaulo13 epaulo13's picture

..the minister's competance comes into question. judge for yourself.

..choose Duncan Questions from the right hand menu.

http://aptn.ca/pages/news/video/

margot66

usual pawns, usual shareholders.

It's so expensive to mine diamonds without cheap power.  Shareholders doubtless see themselves as freezing in the dark, at the idea of having to truck in petro, yes, expensive.  Aw ma, why.  

The original (04) plea for Ont to provide them with electricity sank in spite of the De Beers dancing and mention of communities served on the way, like Attawapisak.  

http://www.hydroone.com/RegulatoryAffairs/Documents/Archives/EB-2004-0545/EB-04-545_English_NOA-NOWH.pdf

I say, watch for it.  Extension cords in the videos, kids with no socks on, huge hunks of wood outside, nod nod, wink wink, benevolence will  be pretended and the mine will get its cheap power.  Always the way.  

 

The pipeline through Afghanistan, if and when now built, is not to save people from chewing stuff raw and freezing in the dark.  It always was about industrial and investment opportunities.  So important, so many people had to die, and so much tax money was wasted.  Wasted, spent on pure evil.

 

jas

margot66 wrote:

I say, watch for it.  Extension cords in the videos, kids with no socks on, huge hunks of wood outside, nod nod, wink wink,

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I have no idea what this means.

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The pipeline through Afghanistan, if and when now built, is not to save people from chewing stuff raw and freezing in the dark.  It always was about industrial and investment opportunities.  So important, so many people had to die, and so much tax money was wasted.  Wasted, spent on pure evil.

 

In other news, the world sucks and so does your life. Have a razor blade.

Boom Boom Boom Boom's picture

Rob Russo on CBC this morning said Duncan has been handling this file very badly and looks ill - maybe he's sick? At any rate, at every press conference this past week, Duncan has been rattled by easy questions, so one has to wonder how long he will remain in this cabinet position.

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Meanwhile, the Harper militarist regime is quite happy to spy on child protection specialists and activists if they speak up on behalf of aboriginal children like those in Attawapiskat ....

Harper regime should address needs of Attawapiskat rather than spy on child welfare advocate

Quote:
[Dr. Blackstock] discovered that the Department of Aboriginal Affairs had been spying on her since 2007 ... "Canada should be doing everything in its power to ensure the wellbeing of children instead of wasting tax dollars by sending watchdogs to "monitor" those of us who speak out about legitimate child rights concerns. The tragic sexual abuse scandal at Penn State last month reminds all of us how important it is that adults speak out on behalf of vulnerable children ..."

6079_Smith_W

jas, I understood what margot66 was saying just fine. 

Infrastructure improvements are rarely made with the people in mind; the first priority is almost always industry.

 

Unionist

Turmel just invited Harper to go to Attawapiskat again.

She didn't mention the military.

She also said we need more front-line cops.

Who is this person? Does she listen to herself?

 

Unionist

So, now she wants Harper to go there himself, accompanied by front-line cops? Harper is definitely an embarrassment, but he ain't alone.

 

Fidel

Turmel knows Harper won't send the military for lack of a civilian agency to deal with emergencies in the North. She knows that Harper is a mere colonial administrator for U.S. empire and nothing more. Steve Harper is an embarrassment to all Canadians.

Fidel

Unionist wrote:

So, now she wants Harper to go there himself, accompanied by front-line cops? Harper is definitely an embarrassment, but he ain't alone.

 

So, what is Harper doing about this situation besides nothing? Where is he hiding, Washington again?

Who else should Harper send to Attawapiskat? There is no colonial administrative department to handle emergencies anywhere in Northern Canada. 

There is no civilian infrastructure in the North to handle much of anything except a few bush pilots running errands for mining companies and air ambulance duties on the side.

And that's because our corrupt stooges have neglected Northern communities for decades on end. 

Steve needs to get his shit together and go to Attawapiskat and about a hundred other reserves across the North, and observe how people are actually living in third world "Canada."

I applaud the NDP for pointing out to Canadians the Harper colonial administration of Canada's routine violations of basic human rights in this country.  If people could figure out what it is that the Harpers actually do in phony majority powerlessness, Canadian voters would surely replace them in 2015!

Fidel

I think that like dozens of other impoverished reserves are ignored by Ottawa, Attawapiskat, too, would have been ignored as usual by the feds had Charlie Angus not raised hell about the matter. The Harper's aren't liking all this attention on them. They will cough-up some money and put people on the issue now that they are being pushed and prodded into doing something. Whether it will be  adequate for the reserve remains to be seen.

These Harpers require micromanaging and adult supervision in general. Apparently that's the opposition NDP's job until 2015.

Todrick of Chat...

Unionist wrote:

Turmel just invited Harper to go to Attawapiskat again.

She didn't mention the military.

She also said we need more front-line cops.

Who is this person? Does she listen to herself?

You must have short term memory, Jack Layton and the NDP have been calling for an increase of front line cops for years. Mrs. Turmel is just playing the same game as Jack was.

http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/TopStories/20110407/layton-crime-platform-110407/

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Unionist wrote:
So, now she wants Harper to go there himself, accompanied by front-line cops? Harper is definitely an embarrassment, but he ain't alone.

(bolding emphasis mine) Where did you see that, U?

Unionist

Boom Boom wrote:

Unionist wrote:
So, now she wants Harper to go there himself, accompanied by front-line cops? Harper is definitely an embarrassment, but he ain't alone.

(bolding emphasis mine) Where did you see that, U?

Ok. It was sarcasm. But only partly. Let's take it from the top:

1. When she visited Attawapiskat, her only concrete call was that "Mr. Harper should come here and see for himself".

2. When she got back, she wrote him a letter saying, "send in the army".

3. The only person who could vouch for First Nations having asked Turmel to say "send in the army" was... Turmel.

4. So, in her speech this afternoon, she dropped the army and went back to challenging Harper to go see for himself. Great political program, that.

5. Turmel's line on Harper's crime bill has been, "Instead of prisons, give us front-line cops!" This was after waffling on whether she supported Québec's condemnation of the treatment of youth, minimum sentences, let us opt out of this bullshit, etc. You see, we wouldn't want the NDP to be seen as "soft on crime", now would we? And she repeated this horrendous crap in her speech this afternoon as well.

6. So, to ridicule her idiocy further, I combined the two - bring Mr. Harper, and more front-line cops!

Not as funny when you have to deconstruct the joke, is it? I wish it were just a joke though.

 

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Oh, okay. By the way, if I had to choose, I'd go for more front line cops on the street instead of Harper's megaprisons.

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Did anyone else see CTV's QP this morning? It'll be shown again at 5 pm.

John Duncan was the first guest, Craig Oliver the host. Oliver asked Duncan how things are going, and Duncan seems to think he's doing a good job. He said the third party manager has now been in charge for a week, not just of the band finances, but also all health and safety related matters. He said Chief Spence now supports the third party manager, but Oliver interrupted and said he had spoken to the Chief just a moment ago by phone and she said that's a lie. Duncan tried not to appear flustered, then went on to say he has a letter from Chief Spence dated November 4th thanking him for his response to the Band's call of a state of emergency. Also said $500,000.00 has been given to the Band for immediate renovations, and 22, not 15, modular homes are on their way up at the end of January, as  specifically requested by Chief Spence.

Duncan said he was Aboriginal Affairs critic in 1994 and has 18 years experience related to Aboriginal Affairs. That being the case, how has he manage to fumble this so badly??? He's known about the deplorable state of northern reserves for almost two decades at least. Oh, and QP showed that clip again of Harper standing up in the H of C and blaming Band mismanagement.

ETA: Duncan also said the third party manager will be paid by deducting his salary from the money the feds send to the Band.

 

Unionist

Boom Boom wrote:

Oh, okay. By the way, if I had to choose, I'd go for more front line cops on the street instead of Harper's megaprisons.

Yeah, it's cost-effective - more front-line cops with guns and tasers, you'd need fewer prisons, mega or mini.

If you had to choose, would it be Stephen Harper or Jason Kenney? Would you double or triple the minimum sentences?

I think the least we can do as progressive folk is to try to frame the discussion for the way forward, instead of picking the colour of the cat.

 

Unionist

Boom Boom wrote:

Not to derail this thread any further, but front line cops don't have to be armed, do they?

They do if you want to relieve overcrowding in prisons.

 

Boom Boom Boom Boom's picture

Not to derail this thread any further, but front line cops don't have to be armed, do they?

ETA: I'd take Jason Kenney over Harper, because with Kenney as CPC leader, the NDP would be in government by now. Wink

6079_Smith_W

Unionist wrote:

I think the least we can do as progressive folk is to try to frame the discussion for the way forward, instead of picking the colour of the cat.

Sounds good to me. Don't we already have a thread dedicated to criticizing the choices and phrasing of the interim leader of the opposition? 

Frankly I don't see too much in the way of practical solutions to the situation in Attiwapiskat coming from Ottawa anyway, since Harper holds control of the ministry. so I am not sure why this is drifting toward the politics of the hill, rather than the community which is in crisis.

 

Fidel

Unionist wrote:

Boom Boom wrote:

Not to derail this thread any further, but front line cops don't have to be armed, do they?

They do if you want to relieve overcrowding in prisons.

 

 

Who else can they possibly send to an emergency? The ill-equipped and underfunded Coast Guard? Boy Scouts?

The Harpers will probably not create any kind of temporary civilian agency to deal with third world conditions at Attawapiskat. Because that would be establishing some sort of civilian agency to deal with an actual problem. 

They only create new government programs when it includes:

1. The Military

2. cow-towing to Uncle Sam on "border security", or, 

3. expanding corporate welfare programs for profitable multinationals raiding Canada's resources

 

The Canadian Military was good enough to help out in the ice storm of '98.

The Canadian Military is good enough to do "reconstruction" in Afghanistan occupied by NATO gangsters for over a decade now.

Why can't the Canadian military help out in Attawapiskat? Do they have better things to do, like shooting Afghans and delivering detainees to Uncle Sam to be tortured to death?

Who else will volunteer to do what the feds have been totally and criminally negligent in not doing for decades at a time? 

6079_Smith_W

It will be interesting to see if anything comes from the blockade proposal mentioned upthread. Because of course, this issue is not just about Attawapiskat. 

Here is a piece from a blockade which the community set up at the DeBeers mine two years ago:

http://www.thesudburystar.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?archive=true&e=1451082  

 

 

 

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I had completely forgotten about the DeBeers blockade. Thanks for that link.

 

eastnoireast

the band isn't in a position to be, or seen to be, "turning down help", so there's preasure for sure to "welcome" the military.  lets just say i'm sure it's not their first choice, to be in the current position of having to "choose" whether to have the military show up.

I think the least we can do as progressive folk is to try to frame the discussion for the way forward, instead of picking the colour of the cat.

no freakin kidding.

 

people always underestimate harper. he's loving this-

1) advance hate politics.

2) pry some folks off their land 'cause the world needs more diamonds.

3) advance nanny state politics.

4)advance disaster capitalism politics.

5) distract from border security bullshit, etc.

 

not saying the military shouldn't be part of the logistecs involved in bringing this to a "happy" resolution; but the optics and messaging of "sending in the military" as "the solution" , or even floating it publically at this stage in the game, given how the situation has been framed, is sick.

as in, "i think the cat should be camo".

 

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Chief Spence made it abundantly clear on CBC (and in a public letter) that she NEVER accepted thrid party management. Duncan's deputy, however, says she has no choice in the matter - the third party hack is in place and has control over Band finances, and will be making decisions over health, safety, and housing matters for six months, and his salary will be deducted from the money that the Band receives from the feds.

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Carole McNeil on CBC is talking to Chief Spence by phone, and Spence says Duncan is causing another crisis by taking the third party manager's salary from Band income - meaning there may be Band layoffs to pay the manager. She is considering getting a court injunction to block the thrid party manager.

6079_Smith_W

It is amazing, since many jumped on her salary and made accusations of mismanagement. 

This manager imposition is clearly so far beyond that, and so clearly punitive  (since this is taking even more money away from the crisis), evidently Harper doesn't care - and in fact probably wants others to see that this is what they will get if they make trouble.

It may yet backfire, especially since we have people having to donate to the Red Cross to get the people what they need, and the feds are taking even more away.

 

 

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Well, they don't want the third party manager - he's been imposed on them.

Fidel

@#96 It sounds like they'd actually have been better off without Harper and Duncan intervening, and better off without the third party's inflated salary on their books. 

Why does it require third party management to allocate, what is it, between $25 and less than $32 dollars a day per person budgeting?

Who is able to house and feed themselves for $25 bucks a day in Northern Ontario? ffs They don't need an overpaid third party manager. What they need is a fucking magician!

These idiots need cleaning out of Ottawa.

Fidel

God help them.

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