Idle No More

645 posts / 0 new
Last post
Otavano

Serviam6 wrote:

onlinediscountanvils wrote:

lagatta wrote:
Who is Tobold Rollo? I don't place him, as a babbler. Good piece.

He was around for a few weeks in 2011. He was accused of being a troll, a Conservative or Liberal plant, and basically took a lot of shit from some longtime babblers for having opinions of his own. It's good to see that he's still writing, and that he's been welcomed back by rabble [see:[url=http://rabble.ca/news/2013/01/i-am-canadian-because-treaties-indigenous-... and [url=http://rabble.ca/news/2013/01/then-and-now-journalists-wrong-side-histor..., even if he no longer posts on babble.

 

Hopefully in the future members with somewhat different views won't immediately be accused of being Conservative's in disguise.

 

I really like Coon Come and enjoy hearing from him, I hope Chief Spence listens. Is there be a point where doctors can order her to start eating, or be physically forced to start eating or something?

 

You don't agree with my orthodox Socialist (TM) views? You closet conservative you.

kropotkin1951

Boom Boom wrote:

Mulcair called for Spence to end her hunger strike today on CTV's QP. he also said he's been in constant touch with Atleo, whom he calls an extraordinary leader.

Cry

Who does he think he is?  Just when I was giving the NDP credit for their support for the Chief and especially Charles Angus's work for the last couple of years on this file.  Just what the relationship needs is another white man telling a FN's leader what is good for her. WTF

I have also been telling friends that Harper has calculated that he will gain support by playing hard ball with the FN's.  Seems the NDP is trying to reshuffle to make sure they appeal to the swing voters who are likely not going to support any FN's activism that disrupts their lives.

Boom Boom Boom Boom's picture

Also on QP today, one of the founders of Idle No More says INM does NOT at this time support blockades as a form of protest. INM is meant to be a peaceful movement.

 

(CTV's Question Period will be repeated at 5pm eastern)

Otavano

kropotkin1951 wrote:

Boom Boom wrote:

Mulcair called for Spence to end her hunger strike today on CTV's QP. he also said he's been in constant touch with Atleo, whom he calls an extraordinary leader.

Cry

Who does he think he is?  Just when I was giving the NDP credit for their support for the Chief and especially Charles Angus's work for the last couple of years on this file.  Just what the relationship needs is another white man telling a FN's leader what is good for her. WTF

I have also been telling friends that Harper has calculated that he will gain support by playing hard ball with the FN's.  Seems the NDP is trying to reshuffle to make sure they appeal to the swing voters who are likely not going to support any FN's activism that disrupts their lives.

 

Most humans would be concerned about another human's health and so would express their concern.

What? Was he supposed to say she shouldn't care about her health? Most people look past nationalirty, race, etc. to express concern for the health of their fellow human.

Serviam6

kropotkin1951 wrote:

 

WTF are you advocating government initiated physical force to stop her protest? Fortunately for her she is not attending a residential school because they would have fixed her. 

You should know that was a tactic used in the USA and UK against the suffragettes and almost killed some of them. Your statement no matter what its intent reads like one that would only be made about a "fragile" woman and not a man.

 

lol

That's exactly what I'm suggesting! Just bust in and force feed her, because she's a fragile woman. Of course I'd never suggest that if it was a man, right?

I'm being sarcastic with this comment by the way, kropotkin.

I'm asking because I do not know how the government views hungerstrikes. I have read some things about people in prison (including men Surprised ) who have gone on hunger strikes and have been force fed, like what you referenced.  She is obviously not in prison but I  think that under the mental health act if someone threatens to harm themselves and they have the *means of doing it*  they can be taken into custody?

I'm curious if doctors have the capacity to some how order her to eat and if the government would capatialize on that as a means of forcing her to end her hunger strike.

I would have asked the same question if it was a man, nice attempt trying to make me out to be a misogynist though.

Serviam6

Otavano wrote:

kropotkin1951 wrote:

Boom Boom wrote:

Mulcair called for Spence to end her hunger strike today on CTV's QP. he also said he's been in constant touch with Atleo, whom he calls an extraordinary leader.

Cry

Who does he think he is?  Just when I was giving the NDP credit for their support for the Chief and especially Charles Angus's work for the last couple of years on this file.  Just what the relationship needs is another white man telling a FN's leader what is good for her. WTF

I have also been telling friends that Harper has calculated that he will gain support by playing hard ball with the FN's.  Seems the NDP is trying to reshuffle to make sure they appeal to the swing voters who are likely not going to support any FN's activism that disrupts their lives.

 

Most humans would be concerned about another human's health and so would express their concern.

What? Was he supposed to say she shouldn't care about her health? Most people look past nationalirty, race, etc. to express concern for the health of their fellow human.

 

Very well said.

6079_Smith_W

I think everyone is concerned for her health.

But seeing as she has been forced to go to this length to demonstrate her autonomy, it would be an outrage for the government to violate that, along with everything else that they have done to her community.

And ironic.... preventing someone from starving herself just to enforce their power to starve an entire nation. If they want to stop it.... they should stop getting in the way of them feeding themselves.

This is her stand, and her choice.

 

 

Serviam6

6079_Smith_W wrote:

 

This is her stand, and her choice.

But will the Harper government allow that?  I think Harper would sooner try to force her to eat under the guise of being concerned and finding a doctor to make up some claim about her mental health.

theleftyinvestor

Well it certainly wouldn't have sounded good for Mulcair to express hope that Spence continues the hunger strike.

Otavano

6079_Smith_W wrote:

I think everyone is concerned for her health.

But seeing as she has been forced to go to this length to demonstrate her autonomy, it would be an outrage for the government to violate that, along with everything else that they have done to her community.

And ironic.... preventing someone from starving herself just to enforce their power to starve an entire nation. If they want to stop it.... they should stop getting in the way of them feeding themselves.

This is her stand, and her choice.

 

 

 

Mulcair never recommended sicking the police after her. He merely expressed concern for her health. You're reading way too much into this.

Unionist

Quite a gang of "progressives" in this thread. Babble needs a purge. Maybe then some of our missing folks will venture back.

Boom Boom Boom Boom's picture

Also on that QP today - repeated at 5 pm eastern on CTV News Net/News Channel  - they talk about the 175 straight lawsuits that FN have won, including 5 in the 32 days Chief Spence has been on her hunger strike. They talk about what this means for resource development - huge implications here.

6079_Smith_W

I wasn't talking about Mulcair, Otovano. Someone mentioned that Harper might try this on her (I don't see how). But really, it goes for anyone who would attempt to force her to end this against her will.

And purge? I mean points for honesty, but WTF?

 

Serviam6

Unionist wrote:

Quite a gang of "progressives" in this thread. Babble needs a purge. Maybe then some of our missing folks will venture back.

 

Gotta becareful with that purge button eh?

 

onlinediscountanvils wrote:

lagatta wrote:
Who is Tobold Rollo? I don't place him, as a babbler. Good piece.

He was around for a few weeks in 2011. He was accused of being a troll, a Conservative or Liberal plant, and basically took a lot of shit from some longtime babblers for having opinions of his own. It's good to see that he's still writing, and that he's been welcomed back by rabble [see:[url=http://rabble.ca/news/2013/01/i-am-canadian-because-treaties-indigenous-... and [url=http://rabble.ca/news/2013/01/then-and-now-journalists-wrong-side-histor..., even if he no longer posts on babble.

 

Is this pretty much the norm here?   Kinda reminds me of the Survivor TV series.

Unionist

Quote:

And purge? I mean points for honesty, but WTF?

 

Thanks for the points. Yes, purge. We're not in business here to debate whether First Nations leaders and activists should be declared mentally unstable and force fed. That kind of shit belongs out there. Not in here.

 

Bacchus

Unionist wrote:

Quite a gang of "progressives" in this thread. Babble needs a purge. Maybe then some of our missing folks will venture back.

 

Im pretty sure threats of purges to weed out the non-believers of the true faith is why so many left and will not return

6079_Smith_W

@ Unionist

The way I saw it the point was raised in the context of Harper using that tactic. The only concern I see here is for her physical health, not her mental health.

But obviously it is controversial ground, when we have even other FN leaders trying to tell her to stop (and no, I am not trying to validate those calls). As I said, we are ALL concerned for her health and the outcome of this strike.

 

Serviam6

Unionist wrote:

Quote:

And purge? I mean points for honesty, but WTF?

 

Thanks for the points. Yes, purge. We're not in business here to debate whether First Nations leaders and activists should be declared mentally unstable and force fed. That kind of shit belongs out there. Not in here.

 

I don't recall anyone suggesting they should be. Only a questioning wonder if it was a possibility that the Harper government could try and use it as an underhand attempt to take Chief Spence out of the picture or protect themselves from the fallout generated by her passing away.

Big difference but please don't let facts get in your way of discussing who should be purged.

Incidently I wonder who's names would pop up if we revisted the thread that caused Tobold Rolloto depart.

Boom Boom Boom Boom's picture

Matthew Coon Come - a pretty prominent and well known  FN leader - also suggested that Chief Spence has made her point and needs to stop her fast and to carry on.

6079_Smith_W

Boom Boom wrote:

Matthew Coon Come - a pretty prominent and well known  FN leader - also suggested that Chief Spence has made her point and needs to stop her fast and to carry on.

He has a right to state his opinion like anyone else. And I have no problem with Thomas Mulcair offering the same advice. And I don't think their respective status or wisdom is at all relevant here.

But the respectful way for ALL of them would have been to speak to her in person, and in private so as not to undermine her stand. What is the point of doing this in public?

 

theleftyinvestor

6079_Smith_W wrote:

But obviously it is controversial ground, when we have even other FN leaders trying to tell her to stop (and no, I am not trying to validate those calls). As I said, we are ALL concerned for her health and the outcome of this strike.

And ultimately it's not up to non-FN progressive allies either to decide which FN leaders have the most legitimacy to lead a movement or speak for the people. So I would say that both Spence and Atleo, and all the others, have been doing very important work getting a message out, and ultimately it's up to the people to decide where to take this movement.

Unionist

6079_Smith_W wrote:

@ Unionist

The way I saw it the point was raised in the context of Harper using that tactic. The only concern I see here is for her physical health, not her mental health.

Well, maybe look way back [url=http://rabble.ca/babble/aboriginal-issues-and-culture/idle-no-more#comme...

Quote:

I really like Coon Come and enjoy hearing from him, I hope Chief Spence listens. Is there be a point where doctors can order her to start eating, or be physically forced to start eating or something?

That's where it began. Where did you see Harper in that post? I flagged it as offensive. Sticking a question mark at the end doesn't make it nice and sweet, you know.

 

Serviam6

Unionist wrote:

6079_Smith_W wrote:

@ Unionist

The way I saw it the point was raised in the context of Harper using that tactic. The only concern I see here is for her physical health, not her mental health.

Well, maybe look way back [url=http://rabble.ca/babble/aboriginal-issues-and-culture/idle-no-more#comme...

Quote:

I really like Coon Come and enjoy hearing from him, I hope Chief Spence listens. Is there be a point where doctors can order her to start eating, or be physically forced to start eating or something?

That's where it began. Where did you see Harper in that post? I flagged it as offensive. Sticking a question mark at the end doesn't make it nice and sweet, you know.

 

I should have been more clear and said I hope she stops her hungerstrike for the sake of her own health.  Asking if doctors could try and force her was a concern that Harper would try an underhanded attempt to remove her. I can see how my comment could be taken out of context and I apologize for it.

Serviam6

http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/idle-no-more-co-founder-supports-spence-n...

Quote:

A co-founder of the Idle No More movement says while she supports the efforts of fasting Attawapiskat Chief Theresa Spence, she does not condone the blockade of rail lines and highways to draw attention to the protests.

Sylvia McAdam, a professor at First Nations University of Canada and one of the four founders of the now-global movement, describes Idle No More as a peaceful protest.

“Right now the vision of Idle No More is that we’re peaceful and we’re working within the means of the legal boundaries,” McAdam told CTV’s Question Period in an exclusive interview.

Quote:

However, McAdam said the AFN has different goals than the Idle No More movement and the organization cannot speak on behalf of the activists.

“It doesn’t begin to address the issue that Idle No More is attempting to stop and that’s the legislation that’s going through Parliament,” she said, adding that the agenda that emerged during Friday’s meeting between the AFN and Prime Minister Stephen Harper is too narrow to capture the essence of the grassroots movement.

“All I can say is no political organization can speak on behalf of Idle No More.

Read more: http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/idle-no-more-co-founder-supports-spence-not-blockades-1.1111628#ixzz2HtSluCft

 

from what i am reading in other forums it seems like many Canadians don't realize the AFN is seperate from #idlenomore.

Otavano

theleftyinvestor wrote:

6079_Smith_W wrote:

But obviously it is controversial ground, when we have even other FN leaders trying to tell her to stop (and no, I am not trying to validate those calls). As I said, we are ALL concerned for her health and the outcome of this strike.

And ultimately it's not up to non-FN progressive allies either to decide which FN leaders have the most legitimacy to lead a movement or speak for the people. So I would say that both Spence and Atleo, and all the others, have been doing very important work getting a message out, and ultimately it's up to the people to decide where to take this movement.

 

Interesting. How does this translate peopel abroad commenting on Canada, or Canadians commenting on other nations or non-Canadians?

theleftyinvestor

Otavano wrote:

Interesting. How does this translate peopel abroad commenting on Canada, or Canadians commenting on other nations or non-Canadians?

Well, to some extent most countries prefer that others stay out of their politics, but it's not quite the same dynamics. When we comment on FN leadership, we're commenting as citizens of colonial Canada, on how to go about the business of representing FN in negotiations with colonial Canada. It's a bit of a conflict of interest.

When Canadians comment about American politics, we are speaking about our largest trading partner, and about a country that creates massive worldwide ripples no matter what they do. We're not exactly a disinterested third party, but it's not the same kind of power dynamic.

kropotkin1951

Serviam6 wrote:

Only a questioning wonder if it was a possibility that the Harper government could try and use it as an underhand attempt to take Chief Spence out of the picture or protect themselves from the fallout generated by her passing away.

Big difference (from what you originally wrote)

You should write what you mean then because what you actually wrote was offensive and the above is not.

kropotkin1951

theleftyinvestor wrote:

When we comment on FN leadership, we're commenting as citizens of colonial Canada, on how to go about the business of representing FN in negotiations with colonial Canada. It's a bit of a conflict of interest.

When Canadians comment about American politics, we are speaking about our largest trading partner, and about a country that creates massive worldwide ripples no matter what they do. We're not exactly a disinterested third party, but it's not the same kind of power dynamic.

Well said.

There is a difference in saying I wish the Chief well and hope her health stays with her and telling her what is good for her health.  She is surrounded by advisers who actually know her state of health and the strategy and issues she wishes to raise. I am sure see doesn't need some white guy to tell her what is best.

6079_Smith_W

@ #324

Hmm.. A clarification and a word of excuse.

Seems civil and straightforward enough to me. Or are we still waiting for the Black Marias to show up?

And regarding who can talk about what and give advice to whom. From what I can see most of us manage to rationalize our way around what we intend to say anyway.

As I said, I don't see too much difference between Mulcair and Coon Come offering their advice. I just wish both of them had done it directly and privately, rather than in public.

 

kropotkin1951

Coon Come is a fellow Chief and equal in the AFN. Mulcair is a white settler politician telling a FN's leader what her strategy should be and which FN's leaders stand out and are worth supporting.  I certainly see a difference.

NDPP

Police Politicization, Lawbreakers Ignored...  -  by Michael Coren (and vid)

http://edmontonsun.com/2013/01/11/police-politicization-law-breakers-ign...

"Natives breaking the law are ignored or encouraged, while law-abiding supporters of Israel, the family or the unborn are treated like criminals.." As an example Zio Coren uses anti-Six Nations rednecktivist Gary Mchale, also a strong supporter of Israel and the JDL as can be seen here:

http://israeltruthweek.wordpress.com/2012/03/31/israel-truth-week-caledo...

 

Peaceful Protests Profit from Hstory of Militant Resistance  -  by Zig Zag

http://warriorpublications.wordpress.com/2013/01/13/peaceful-protests-pr...

"..So while some INM'ers believe they are leading a 'peaceful' Indigenous Rights Revoution, they are actively benefiting from the militant grassroots resistance that preceded them..."

6079_Smith_W

"The naive INM participant" lumped together with judges and reactionaries, NDPP?

Seems to me that judge and many of those crackers would be more than happy to see this decay into violence.

MegB

We don't purge. If you don't like someones's perspective, by all means, argue it, but until an overt violation policy occurs, no one is getting banned.

As to men suggesting to a FN woman how much is enough? That is her choice alone, and any suggestion otherwise is, at best, paternalistic.

Boom Boom Boom Boom's picture

The woman who is one of the founders of Idle No More that was interviewed on QP today said there will be a WORLDWIDE day of action for Idle No More on January 28.

Unionist

Rebecca West wrote:
We don't purge. If you don't like someones's perspective, by all means, argue it, but until an overt violation policy occurs, no one is getting banned.

Thanks for the lecture, Rebecca, but you might recall that I have been lobbying, hard, for a "no-ban no-suspension" policy, starting with a trial period - a proposal first made by Michelle - from 2009 to 2012. Some random reminders:

*** VOTE ON BABBLE PROPOSAL ***

+++ BABBLE PROPOSAL +++

*** DISCUSSION ON BABBLE PROPOSAL ***

### BABBLE VOTE ### - PLEASE DO NOT POST IN THIS THREAD

The Change in Babble Culture

... and many more.

No, I very obviously don't favour "purges", but it's interesting how some people jumped on my use of words in an effort to discredit me.

But this is the Aboriginal forum, and I think we need to ensure that discussions don't veer off into speculation about why doesn't Chief Spence give up on her strike already, and can they force-feed her under the Mental Health Act - is that what Harper will order next - I agree with Coon Come and Mulcair that she should start eating - etc. That's what I'm objecting to, and that (in my perhaps incorrect opinion) is what merits warnings and then requests not to post in this particular forum.

Sorry for the drift, but when there's such an exciting movement growing before our very eyes, we shouldn't need to have this thread, in this forum, diverted into such obscenity. In my opinion.

 

 

 

Unionist

Edmonton Idle No More protests draws thousands

Quote:
Thousands of protesters packed into West Edmonton Mall Sunday afternoon, filling the halls with the sounds of chanting and drumbeats, to signal that the Idle No More protests will continue even after Friday’s meeting with the Prime Minister. [...]

Conway Kooteney, one of the organizers, estimated over 2,600 people attended.

“They’re all taking a stand because we’re tired of the federal government dictating what can be done to our people.”

NDPP

Palestinians Endorse Idle No More

http://indiancountrytodaymedianetwork.com/article/palestinians-endorse-i...

"The struggle of Indigenous and Native peoples in Canada and the US has long been known to the Palestinian people, reflecting our common history as peoples and nations subject to ethnic cleansing at the hands of the very same forms of European colonialism..."

Boom Boom Boom Boom's picture

Hard to keep up with everything that's going on. I've heard (Friday) that January 16 is a major day of action, and today one of the founders of Idle No More said an international day of action for INM will take place of January 28.

With 600+ First Nations in this country, if all of them are going to be involved in INM - and I hope they will be - that will almost effectively shut the country down, and force Harper to do some serious negotiating - such as going back to C-38 and C-45, which his puppet John Duncan said will remain as they are - and directly contradicted Matthew Coon Come, who came out after the meeting Friday and said Harper would look at those again under the "duty to consult".

Bacchus

Unionist wrote:

Rebecca West wrote:
We don't purge. If you don't like someones's perspective, by all means, argue it, but until an overt violation policy occurs, no one is getting banned.

Thanks for the lecture, Rebecca, but you might recall that I have been lobbying, hard, for a "no-ban no-suspension" policy, starting with a trial period - a proposal first made by Michelle - from 2009 to 2012. Some random reminders:

*** VOTE ON BABBLE PROPOSAL ***

+++ BABBLE PROPOSAL +++

*** DISCUSSION ON BABBLE PROPOSAL ***

### BABBLE VOTE ### - PLEASE DO NOT POST IN THIS THREAD

The Change in Babble Culture

... and many more.

No, I very obviously don't favour "purges", but it's interesting how some people jumped on my use of words in an effort to discredit me.

But this is the Aboriginal forum, and I think we need to ensure that discussions don't veer off into speculation about why doesn't Chief Spence give up on her strike already, and can they force-feed her under the Mental Health Act - is that what Harper will order next - I agree with Coon Come and Mulcair that she should start eating - etc. That's what I'm objecting to, and that (in my perhaps incorrect opinion) is what merits warnings and then requests not to post in this particular forum.

Sorry for the drift, but when there's such an exciting movement growing before our very eyes, we shouldn't need to have this thread, in this forum, diverted into such obscenity. In my opinion.

 

Im pretty sure it was the "Quite a gang of "progressives" in this thread. Babble needs a purge. Maybe then some of our missing folks will venture back." words of yours which caused the comments. Its not so much a 'use' of words as a stark declaration of preference. Or did you forget a smiley to indicate you were just joking? As opposed to bullying then retracting when opposed?

 

Perhaps just saying please nop thread drift would have been easier rather than comments guaranteed to continue thread drift?

Bacchus

The cultural importance of Idle No More

 

For Canadians caught in Idle No More traffic snarls over the past month, as indigenous groups march across bridges or block railways, this movement may seem like "just another" native protest.

But for those struggling to understand this movement on a more cultural level, it may be helpful to remember that traditionally, amongst many aboriginal people, the cold days and long nights of winter were a time for storytelling.

Four-year-old Lily Mervyn holds a sign at an Idle No More demonstration near Surrey, B.C., earlier this month. A teachable moment?Four-year-old Lily Mervyn holds a sign at an Idle No More demonstration near Surrey, B.C., earlier this month. A teachable moment? (Darryl Dyck / Canadian Press)

And, putting aside the politics and the posturing, storytelling is at the heart of Idle No More, at least as many of those on the inside of this movement see it.

ryanw

Quote:

 can they force-feed her under the Mental Health Act  

 

No.

can they force feed other people who meet multiple criteria? yes

can they force feed people who have not been certified (incapable of self preservation) who make a reasonable and witnessed statement that they do not wish to be given life saving sustenance? no

can people change their mind? yes

ilha formosa

I know this is old news for many, but I found the article to be a valuable read. A lengthy quote, I know...yet it's only an excerpt...

Quote:
But what about the Nunavut food crisis? What about the missing and murdered Aboriginal women from all across the country? What about the recent report on the Missing Women Commission & Inquiry, that stated loud and clear for the entire world to hear, that the Vancouver Police (whose salaries are paid with tax dollars) failed all 49 women whose remains were found on the Pickton farm?...What about the recommendations the indigenous communities themselves offered to the Truth & Reconciliation Commission, so that the rest of Canada has some direction on how to work towards reconciliation with indigenous communities? What about all the people who took their own lives after telling the TRC their stories? What about all the indigenous teens living on reserves who have made attempts on their own lives, because they are living in conditions of unbearable poverty? What about all the health risks the Canadian government has either knowingly or deliberately exposed indigenous peoples to, since the formation of this country? Smallpox? Tuberculosis? Forced sterilizations? Depriving supplies of hand sanitizer from reserves during the flu pandemic, knowing that a majority of those same reserves didn’t have clean water with which to practice hand-washing...What about Raymond Silverfox and Frank Paul? To name just two Aboriginal men who died unnecessarily while in custody of either the police or RCMP, who refused to provide access to medical treatment (i.e., in the case of Frank Paul, they just threw him outside in the cold behind the detachment; and in the case of Raymond Silverfox, they dragged his body by one ankle through his own sick, like he was nothing more than a dirty rag). What about “starlight tours”, which we all know have been going on for a long time...What about the apathy of police when dealing with violence within indigenous communities, especially towards indigenous women in urban areas? What about that Highway Of Tears billboard, warning indigenous women not to hitch-hike along the highway where so many of them have mysterious disappeared? I could keep going...

An Open Letter To Jessica Gordon & Sylvia McAdam

theleftyinvestor

Did not see this coming.

http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Canadian+Press+NewsAlert+national+chief...

OTTAWA - The head of Canada's largest aboriginal organization, Shawn Atleo, is taking a sick leave in the midst of a political crisis.

Atleo, the national chief of the Assembly of First Nations, says the toll of long meetings and frustrations over the past two weeks have caught up with him, and his doctor has ordered him to rest.

Atleo has been the target of much controversy for agreeing to meet with Prime Minister Stephen Harper last week.

Many chiefs said the assembly should have refused the meeting, because it didn't take place on their terms, and on their turf.

In a statement released today, Atleo says his absence will be "brief" and that regional chiefs will take care of his responsibilities while he's away.

Regional Chief Roger Augustine, who represents chiefs from New Brunswick and Prince Edward Island, will chair executive meetings.

 

epaulo13 epaulo13's picture

..from oakland.

Idle No More Short Documentary – GROUNDED NEWS

http://getgrounded.tv/2013/01/idle-no-more-short-documentary-grounded-news/

epaulo13 epaulo13's picture

U.S. considers ‘Native Canadian groups’ as possible terror threats: embassy cables

APTN National News
OTTAWA-The U.S. has been keeping regular intelligence on potential security threats in Canada, including the activities of unnamed First Nations groups, according to two cables sent by the U.S. embassy in Ottawa and obtained by APTN National News....

theleftyinvestor

The #Ottawapiskat hashtag is great by the way. The idea being, what if all of Canada were one large reserve named Ottawapiskat, and we reported its governance the same way the media is reporting on FN reserves?

e.g.

@urban_su #Ottawapiskat Chief refuses to talk to media.

@m_melody: Have you seen #Ottawapiskat on Canada Day? They all gather in a tribal celebration and they drink so much!

@RRH_123: No accountability from #Ottawapiskat Chief and Council, a pass and permit system should be implemented

@acoyne: In #Ottawapiskat, vast sums of money are centrally controlled by the chief, who doles them out to his cronies and favoured interests.

@SettlerColonial: People. I'm starting to question whether #Ottawapiskat should even exist.

@danminkin: Secretive #Ottawapiskat chief prevented collection of detailed demographic data on reserve.

@druojajay: #Ottawapiskat leaders place great importance on maintaining their culture and traditional songs. pic.twitter.com/zqdJ5C47 {photo of Harper with dude from Nickelback}

@deejayndn: Chief of #Ottawapiskat cuts $27 M in healthcare but spends $28 M on a recreation of the war of 1812. I want accountability.

laine lowe laine lowe's picture

Thanks for the link to that documentary, epaulo. It's amazing to see messages and videos of solidarity from across the globe.

The pundits, Mulcair and Harper have no clue of how rooted this movement is to indigenous peoples rights and their relationship to lands and waters. Chief Spence wanted to meet with the PM and GG. Harper responded with a "follow-up" meeting with the AFN who last met in January 2012 (with absolutely nothing substantive resulting from that meeting). Mulcair can praise Atleo all he wants and patronisingly tell Chief Spence to reconsider her hunger strike. Both are missing the point in my view. The environmental changes in the omnibus bill have huge impact on the power every indigenous group in this country has to negotiate how the land they live on is used, be it Metis, Inuit or First Nations.

From what I've seen, Harper won't budge on revisiting the offending omnibus bills. And sadly, Mulcair won't even address what aspects of those bills are so offensive to the people supporting and actively participating in Idle No More. I have no idea if the other parties have done a better job of it because if they have had, it's certainly not being reported. Bottom line is that there are no politicians who are adequately explaining what the movement is about.

On the other hand, the aboriginal people I know have no problem with discussing what the movement is about and how it impacts their lives.

 

Boom Boom Boom Boom's picture

Mulcair has been a disappointment in my eyes on this whole file. It's a shame, really, because there has been a great opportunity for him to walk in solidarity with the Idle No More movement, right from the beginning. I think Jack Layton would have been talking face-to-face with Chief Theresa Spence every day of her hunger strike, and certainly would have been more visible than Mulcair has been. And I say this as someone who wasn't Layton's biggest fan.

Boom Boom Boom Boom's picture

From Idle No More on Facebook:

For immediate release
Press Release, January 14, 2013
From:INM founders, organizers and Elder advisors

Idle No More has a responsibility to resist current government policies in a peaceful and respectful way. It can be done. It can be done without aggression or violence. This is an energetic, exciting and transformative time. This movement has been guided by spiritual Elders, dreams, visions, and from peoples’ core values. We are here to ensure the land, the waters, the air, and the creatures and indeed each of us, return to balance and discontinue harming each other and the earth. To keep us on this good path, we ask that you, as organizers create space for Elders or knowledge/ceremonial keepers to assist in guiding decisions as we move forward. It is up to each of us to see that this movement respects all people, the environment, and our communities and neighbours. In peace and solidarity.

6079_Smith_W

@ BoomBoom

That was one of the things INM founder Sylvia McAdam said at the University of Regina yesterday. It was reported this morning, and is now on the CBC website:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/story/2013/01/14/sk-idle-no-m...

 

Pages