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music to my ears, Good job Obama!

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Obama's statement:
"This announcement is not a judgment on the merits of the pipeline, but the arbitrary nature of a deadline that prevented the State Department from gathering the information necessary to approve the project and protect the American people. "


Re: the statement

A perfect answer, since the deadline the Republicans pushed on him had nothing to do with the pipeline at all, but rather was nothing but a political ploy designed to fuck him up at election time.






The Great Pipeline Scam : When Will Environmentalists ever Wake Up?  by Michael Leonardi

"In another ridiculous moment of political trickery, Obama managed to dupe a major chunk of the American environmental movement yesterday by refusing to authorize the construction of the Keystone Pipeline now. The key word in that sentence, which seems as if it is being largely ignored by the enviros is now,

because what Obama did do is leave open the possibility of authorizing the construction of a pipeline any tme in the future, say just a little after the election? Those who point out the truth about what is happening here are ridiculed, called unloving, unrealistic haters.

We are told to join the team or shut up. We are told we think too much and need to open our hearts. Many of these same people, when confronted with the reality of the National Defense Authorization Act deny completely that Obama signed indefinite detention into law. They say we are liars trying to defame their mythologized god of hope...

America is really lost and it is doubtful that it will every find its way."


"It is a sweet victory. President Obama has listened to his people and his better nature and rejected the Keystone pipeline...common sense has won the day." Maude Barlow




Has he duped anyone? 

I think it is a success for the people in Nebraska concerned about their aquifer, but I thought Obama's position was pretty clear when he said he was was postponing the decision until after the election.  DId anyone think his decision then would be anything other than approval? 

In reaction to this latest news, almost every headline I have read on this has included a "for now" caveat.

Obama quite clearly said he did not turn this down based on the merits of the project, but because there was not time to do a proper evaluation within the deadline. The White House indicated they would consider a new application.

If someone wants to imagine that he said or intended anything other than that, that would be their problem.

If anyone got duped in this, it is those people who think the Republicans were in any way supporting the pipeline when they backed Obama into a corner. Had they not decided to play political hay that pipeline would still be on the table. We should thank them for killing it.

Again, regardless of what was eventually going to happen with the pipeline, this is all about the election. 



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CBC:  and regulatoryTransCanada expects the new application to be fast-tracked because all the enviro work has been done except a tiny part of the new route and all the papers are already on file.

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CBC:  TransCanada expects the new application to be fast-tracked because all the enviro and regulatory work has been done except a tiny part of the new route and all the papers are already on file.

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6079_Smith_W wrote:

Has he duped anyone?

Maude Barlow, for one.


As I said quite clearly, M. Spector if anyone was mistaken about Obama, no one fooled them but themselves.

Not that I have any illusions about Obama being a completely progressive administrator, but on this issue he was quite transparent, and did nothing to capitalize on the situation. He said nothing at all against the pipeline. He turned down this application because he was forced to do so by Congress, but said he would welcome a new application.

He blamed the Republicans for initiating the whole thing, and in that I think he is entirely correct. Had they not orchestrated this showdown it would just have been tabled until after the election, and probably passed then.

If there's a covert conspiracy in there it is way over my head.

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Chief at centre of tar sands battle has hopes set on Crown-First Nations gathering


APTN National News
Athabasca Chipweyan First Nation Chief Alan Adam is preparing a trip to Ottawa next week.

Now that the Obama administration has opted to block the proposed Keystone XL pipeline for now, he has high hopes for an audience with the prime minister.

Chiefs, however, have been told that Prime Minister Stephen Harper may not be present for the full meeting.


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Democrats in the USA are either a bunch of total nitwits, or they truly believe Obama vetoed XL because he believes it's an environmental catastrophe in the making. Even Hillary Clinton was on CNN saying the same as Obama - the veto had nothing to do with the merits of XL, but rather the tight time frame given by the Republicans  to evaluate it fully. And she said TransCanada can apply again for a new pipeline permit.


Obama is the best they can do.


Hes charming and likeable , and good looking and intelligent, what else is there not to like!


CFR: Examining Obama's Pipeline Decision

"...In the near term, there is no pipeline constraint to bring oil from Canada into the United States, but one will be hit in perhaps five years, if the pipeline capacity is not improved. Then there is the issue of where you can get it to in the United States, because right now the way the infrastructure is set up, it doesn't take the oil to where it can be used in refineries as well as it should.

There have been some developments over the last few months, particularly the impending reversal of something called the Seaway Pipeline, which had taken some further pressure off and has made this decision on Keystone less consequential.."


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Press Action wrote:
In its recommendation to the president, the State Department emphasized that the denial of the permit application “does not preclude any subsequent permit application or applications for similar projects.” In other words, TransCanada is welcome to file an application for a similar pipeline project that the president will be more than happy to approve after the November election....

This is the same president who in September 2011 withdrew tougher new ground-level ozone standards that had been drafted by the Environmental Protection Agency....

This is the same president who in May 2011 decided to delay a rule that would cut emissions from power plants at major industrial facilities. This month, a federal court scolded the Obama administration, ruling that the EPA had needlessly suspended implementation of what is known as the boiler MACT rule. The court called the delay “arbitrary and capricious.”

This is the same president who in March 2011 opened a large part of Wyoming to coal mining. “The decision was the carbon equivalent of opening 300 coal-fired power plants,” author and environmentalist Bill McKibben said.

This is the same president who, after a government-mandated moratorium on drilling that ended in the fall of 2010, has allowed the oil and gas industry to get back to business as usual in the Gulf of Mexico following the BP oil disaster that started in April 2010....

This is the same president who this month released a report praising the boom in U.S. natural gas production, despite the extensive environmental damage caused by the shale gas revolution in communities across the country....

This is the same president who touts endless economic growth, despite the fact we live in a world with finite “natural resources.” ...

This is the same president who decided during the summer of 2011 to delay finalizing new regulations for the disposal of coal ash and other coal combustion waste....

And this is the same president who continues to let the world’s worst polluter of all, the U.S. military, destroy communities and ecosystems around the world....

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Cloak of Green  - by Elaine Dewar

'The Links Between Key Environmental Groups, Government and Big Business'

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..a view from the top.

Things getting sticky in oil sands

With U.S. President Barack Obama’s extreme decision Wednesday to deny a permit to the Keystone XL oil sands pipeline, Canada’s oil-sands industry, one of the few engines of investment and job creation in North America, stands on the brink of a slowdown.

Export pipeline capacity is expected to run out by around 2016, throwing today’s growth strategies into serious doubt.

Keystone XL, and its all-Canadian alternative, Northern Gateway, were supposed to be the main solutions to transporting growing oil sands production to new markets.

Both are stuck.

To be sure, Keystone XL proponent TransCanada Corp. has been invited to apply for a new permit with a revised route that avoids environmentally sensitive areas in Nebraska. But the reality is that there will be no pipeline decision — and it could still be a ‘no’ — until at least after the November presidential election, and possibly longer....

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Gateway gate may be closing


At least three major stumbling blocks surfaced repeatedly in the review’s important first days that are likely to dog the $5.5-billion pipeline, which would carry product from the Alberta oil sands to this community on the northern West Coast, throughout the two-year review process: aboriginal opposition, little community buy-in and lack of trust that it can be built safely.

They are essential building blocks of any major development in Western and Northern Canada, from liquefied natural gas plants coming to this town, to oil sands projects in Alberta, to potash mines in Saskatchewan. Even the much-delayed Mackenzie Valley gas pipeline had them largely nailed down before Imperial Oil Ltd. and its partners moved forward with an application for regulatory approval.

Meanwhile, cross-border environmental groups that were expected to influence the hearings have been a non-issue so far. Demonstrations were discouraged by the Haisla, a peaceful band that hosted the review’s start and put forward the first witnesses.

Like the Haisla, First Nations on the coast and in the B.C. interior will voice concerns that the benefits offered to aboriginal communities do not justify the risks of an oil spill to their food sources.

Those who believe it’s a bargaining position are mistaken, said Ellis Ross, the elected chief of the Haisla....


The port city of Kitimat, which has received tanker traffic for the past 50 years to serve its industrial operations, used to be a champion of the pipeline. But it has chosen to be an observer of the review process, rather than a participant, as a result of the controversy surrounding it and division within the community. Mayor Johanne Monahan won’t even talk about it. She said council would decide whether to back it or oppose it after the review has been completed....


Enbridge claims that safety measures have been built into every aspect of the pipeline’s construction and operation, meeting or exceeding all applicable industry standards and government regulations, but its recent oil spill in the Kalamazoo River in Michigan, BP PLC’s spill in the Gulf of Mexico, and the Exxon Valdez disaster just up the coast, are undermining its message. Trust in its plans is also affected by a history of bad practices in the logging and other local industries that have depleted fish stocks and polluted the channel’s waters....


Newt to PM: Don't Cut Oil Deal With China

"Newt Gingrich has once again promised to approve the Keystone XL pipeline immediately, if he becomes president in November. And he once again urged Canadians Tuesday, not to 'make a deal' with China to buy our oil instead.

He's done it three times in as many days..."


Texan Lawmakers Angry..

"...that Canadian oil for the Keystone pipeline might go to 'our worst enemy'..."


Clinton Supports Keystone Pipeline

"Former president's backing hints at White House shift towards OK'ing deal. Suddenly the Keystone XL pipeline is all the talk of American politics again.."


Lakota Indians Block Keystone XL Pipeline' Trucks in Six Hour Standoff (and vid)

"Five Lakotas on Pine Ridge Indian land in South Dakota were arrested Monday after attempting to block two tarsands pipeline trucks from entering their land. According to the Lakota activists the six hour standoff started when the trucks refused to turn around claiming they had 'corporate rights that supersede any other law.'..

not on Lakota land apparently...

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NDPP wrote:

"Former president's backing hints at White House shift towards OK'ing deal...."

What "shift"? The White House has always supported the Keystone XL pipeline.


Trains Roll From Canada to Gulf to Fill Void Left by Failed Keystone Pipeline

"A Canadian railroad carrying millions of barrels of oil to Gulf refineries is hurtling full steam ahead through the Obama administration's block of the Keystone pipeline. The amount of oil Canadian Pacific Railways carries down through the heartland has surged 2,500 percent since 2009, to 8.5 million barrels per year from just 325,000.

The company expects to move 45 million barrels per year within the decade. The Calgary based railroad is one of two that carries oil down from Canada's tar sands, but Canadian Pacific also carries thousands of barrels per day to the Gulf from North Dakota's booming Bakkan Formation oil fields. Experts estimate shipping by rail instead of pipeline adds anywhere from $5 to $10 to the price of a barrel, not to mention the high-capacity 24-7 flow a pipeline affords..."

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Looks like the pipeline will be built sooner or later. I wonder how much pressure is involved to ship product from northern Alberta to south Texas? These must be highly-pressurized pipelines. I posted a link a year or so ago that showed the final refined product will not necessarily benefit America but rather be sold overseas - refinery workers in Texas will benefit, but hardly anyone else, unless regulatory changes are made to keep tar sands oil refined in the US to stay in the US, and I've seen no signs of that happening yet.

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Obama orders agencies to fast-track Keystone XL’s southern leg

Obama, facing election-year pressure to bolster the U.S. energy industry, said his new plan to fast track the southern leg of Keystone XL was a “common sense” move that would reduce an oil glut that is slowing U.S. refining....

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Would it really be too much of a hardship to actually provide a hint as to what this link is about before expecting me to click on it?

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Brad Wall was on P&P tonight saying Mulcair has it all wrong. He even mentioned that Ontario's McQuinty apologised for using the term 'petro dollar'. Basically Wall is just re-hashing Harper talking points.

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Could pipeline money bias Susan Rice?


The fresh scrutiny stems from Rice's 2011 financial disclosure report, which reveals that she owns $300,000 to $600,000 worth of stock in a company called TransCanada. That's significant because TransCanada wants to build a 1,700-mile pipeline — known as Keystone XL — linking Canadian oil sands with oil refineries in Texas, but needs approval from the State Department since it would cross an international border. Rice could thus face a conflict of interest as secretary of State, since she'd likely benefit financially from the effect of Keystone XL on TransCanada's stock price. First reported Wednesday by OnEarth magazine, Rice's TransCanada investment is one of more than 100 assets listed on her disclosure report, which range from Barnes & Noble to Western Union and total somewhere between $23 million and $43 million. But as OnEarth's Scott Dodd points out, the ambassador seems to be especially fond of fossil fuel companies, including many based in her husband's native Canada: 

"[A]bout a third of Rice's personal net worth is tied up in oil producers, pipeline operators, and related energy industries north of the 49th parallel — including companies with poor environmental and safety records on both U.S. and Canadian soil. Rice and her husband own at least $1.25 million worth of stock in four of Canada's eight leading oil producers, as ranked by Forbes magazine. That includes Enbridge, which spilled more than a million gallons of toxic bitumen into Michigan's Kalamazoo River in 2010 — the largest inland oil spill in U.S. history."

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A friend on Facebook suggested looking at Hillary Clinton's investments. I'm sure the Clinton's far ecllipse Susan Rice and her husband in evil and questionable investments. Obama should tighten up his vetting procedures, but he obviously doesn't give a shit.

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And from the right:

PYLE: Obama mulls doing the right thing, again The Keystone pipeline is the key to energy independence

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Climate Activists Are Just Getting Warmed Up

While we were in the midst of a sea of 40,000 to 50,000 people at the largest climate rally in US history, I shouted call-and-response chants with two friends from Maryland, one of whom was riding on my shoulders to get a look at the size of the crowd. When my neck hurt too much to continue, I set my friend down. After asking her about how big the march was, she said, "Dude, this is huge! There's no way Obama can ignore this!"

But the funny thing was Obama actually was ignoring us. While a crowd the size of Perth, Scotland, covered six lanes of DC streets for several long blocks on a frigid and windy February day, getting extensive media coverage all over the world, President Obama was playing golf with a Texas businessman who makes his money in the fossil fuel industry. To put that in perspective, the president left town during a historic rally pressuring him to take action to reject a pipeline, in order to play a game based on egregious wasting of natural resources with someone who does business with Anadarko, an oil/gas/pipeline company.


Tiger Woods?


Obama will be approving this pipeline shorty.

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That says it all, doesn't it. The pipeline is definitely going ahead.Laughing


But don't worry, once it is too hot for humans on Planet Eart,h we will all be relocating to one of the planets circulating a red dwarf


South Leg of Keystone XL from Oklahoma to Texas Hits Halfway Mark

"While the debate continues over whether the US will approve a proposed oil conduit from Canada to the Gulf coast, the segment from Cushing, Okla., to the Texas Gulf Coast is heading towards completion and could be transporting oil by the end of the year.."

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Keystone XL got a big boost today when it passes the State Dept. environmental assessment. But I've been watching news programs tonight, and some are arguing the US doesn't need tar sands oil. Still have 40 days to go before Obama decides one way or another - I think he's going to screw his friends who got him elected (twice)  and approve it.  :mad2
The planet is too damned warm now - wait until the tar sands expand exponentially.  :o

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NYT: When to Say No


The State Department’s latest environmental assessment of the controversial Keystone XL oil pipeline makes no recommendation about whether President Obama should approve it. Here is ours. He should say no, and for one overriding reason: A president who has repeatedly identified climate change as one of humanity’s most pressing dangers cannot in good conscience approve a project that — even by the State Department’s most cautious calculations — can only add to the problem.


Supporters of the pipeline have argued that this is oil from a friendly country and that Canada will sell it anyway. We hope Mr. Obama will see the flaw in this argument. Saying no to the pipeline will not stop Canada from developing the tar sands, but it will force the construction of new pipelines through Canada itself. And that will require Canadians to play a larger role in deciding whether a massive expansion of tar sands development is prudent. At the very least, saying no to the Keystone XL will slow down plans to triple tar sands production from just under two million barrels a day now to six million barrels a day by 2030.


It is these long-term consequences that Mr. Obama should focus on. Mainstream scientists are virtually unanimous in stating that the one sure way to avert the worst consequences of climate change is to decarbonize the world economy by finding cleaner sources of energy while leaving more fossil fuels in the ground. Given its carbon content, tar sands oil should be among the first fossil fuels we decide to leave alone.


In itself, the Keystone pipeline will not push the world into a climate apocalypse. But it will continue to fuel our appetite for oil and add to the carbon load in the atmosphere. There is no need to accept it.

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On P&P tonight:

The Republican governor of Nebraska is tabling a bill to take away the decision-making of Keystone XL from Obama. He's doing this because he believes Obama is stalling on making a decision because whatever decision he makes will upset his support base from unions or environmentalists. Thus, he's going to have Congress make the decision for Obama instead, and the only hurdle now will be the Senate - and the governor believes he has at least 60 votes there in support of XL.


Premier Redford's comments today about Keystone are laughable, ridiculous, and absurd - she is definitely going to be a one-tern wonder.

And the US Keystone Pipeline Project opponents just got a big boost today from a US billionaire who has decided to oppose the project. Interesting.

Mulcair could score big on this.

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NorthReport wrote:

Premier Redford's comments today about Keystone are laughable, ridiculous, and absurd - she is definitely going to be a one-tern wonder.

And the US Keystone Pipeline Project opponents just got a big boost today from a US billionaire who has decided to oppose the project. Interesting.

Mulcair could score big on this.

I'm an easterner, but what the hell, I'll take a stab at this.

1. Redford is already in her second term, so there's no chance she will be a "one-term wonder". As Danielle Smith becomes more like our version of Sarah Palin, it's probably that Redford will go on to win yet another term (her third) when her current Premiership of Alberta expires. Even if Keystone XL or Northern Gateway are never built - because there other options, albeit all the options have questions that need to be worked out. I suspect Albertans will continue to turn to the Cons rather than Wild Rose to work things out. The one thing Redford has going against her is that Albertans may want a change from constant Conservative government at some point.

2. The tar sands and the pipeline projects have had billionaire investors for decades - think Koch Brothers. John Kerry and his wife had $750,000.00 invested in the tar sands until he became Secretary of State, and he obviously supports tar sands investments and pipelines - and he's the one next to Obama along with Joe Biden.

3. Don't see how Mulcair could "score big" on this. Not everyone in Canada opposes Keystone XL. Many argue it's better to ship tar sands product  south rather than offshore through BC. Much of the Keystone pipeline had already been built - it's almost a foregone conclusion that at some point it will be finished, either under Obama's approval, or if the Congress takes that authority away from him. Or if the GOP somehow, magically, win in 2016. And there's no certainty whatsoever that Mulcair will be Prime MInister in 2015. Mulcair will likely win in his circle of NDP sycophants - no question there.

4. Last night, as they have for many months,  on both CBC and CNN several Democratic senators and governors made it clear they want Keystone approved.  On the other hand, there's Nancy Pelosi who is saying we simply don't need Keystone XL in the first place. But don't give Pelosi too much credibility - she also said that Canadians don't want a pipeline in their own country - which is total nonsense, because a lot of Canadians (many of them Albertans...) want a pipeline to the BC coast, south to the USA, and even Mulcair (and others) are musing now about a West -East pipeline right across Canada. (Mulcair shot the NDP in the foot in my opinion).

Chances of Keystone being finished are probably 50/50, who knows. The biggest news this week is that the Republican Congress is moving to take the decision away from Obama - led by a Democrat.

Senators fight to take control of Keystone decision as key Democrat casts doubt on pipeline’s value


A bipartisan bill introduced in the U.S. Senate on Thursday would give Congress the power to approve TransCanada Corp’s Keystone XL pipeline project to link Canada’s oil sands with refineries and ports in Texas.

The measure, unveiled by John Hoeven, a North Dakota Republican, and Max Baucus, a Montana Democrat, would take approval of the more than 800,000-barrels-per-day pipeline out of the hands of the Obama administration.


Obama ruled in early 2012 the administration needed more time to evaluate a revised route through Nebraska submitted by TransCanada to avoid sensitive ecological areas.

Keystone backers in Congress pushed to override Obama’s call and approve the line themselves, but a vote last year in the Senate fell four votes short of passage.

Hoeven said this time the bill should pass because the previous vote was held before Nebraska Governor Dave Heineman approved TransCanada’s revised path of the pipeline. Hoeven also said he believed he has enough votes to overturn an Obama veto should it reach that point.

5. My position is well known here - leave the tar sands shit in the ground, stop poisioning the planet,  and develop alternative energies. I'm thus with the Green Party as far as the Tar Sands, Keystone XL, and Northern Gateway are concerned. I long for the days when the NDP had environmental credibility - before Mulcair.


A bit dated but still relevant.

What the Keystone Rejection Really Reveals

ENERGY & EQUITY: The ruthless, evolving nature of energy politics.


Native Americans Unite to Fight Pipelines - Including Keystone XL

"Tar sands pipelines will not pass through our collective territories under any conditions or circumstances,' the tribes relayed at a press conference. Phil Lane Jr., a hereditary chief from the Ihanktonwan Dakota Oyate in the state of South Dakota, said that indigenous groups from all across the US and Canada are coming together to protest the building of the pipelines that would destroy their sacred lands - and that they will physically stand in the way of their construction.

'Along with every single legal thing that can be done, there is direct action going on now to plan how to physically stop the pipelines,' he said at the news conference following the gathering in Ottawa..."



The Environmental Protection Agency objected Monday to the State Department’s latest review of the Keystone XL oil pipeline, suggesting that more work must be done before the Obama administration can determine whether to approve the 1,179-mile northern leg of the project.

The EPA recommended that State reassess the amount of greenhouse gas that would be emitted by the development of oil sands in Alberta, Canada, as a result of construction of the pipeline, which eventually could transport as much as 830,000 barrels of diluted bitumen crude to refineries in Texas.

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The EPA’s objection provides opponents with political ammunition and could force President Obama to weigh in on the permitting decision. Secretary of State John F. Kerry will decide whether the pipeline is in the U.S. national interest unless another federal agency objects. If the EPA continues to challenge State’s analysis, Obama will have to make the call.


“The State Department plans to release Friday a much-anticipated environmental review on the Keystone XL pipeline,” the Wall Street Journal reports. “The review is likely to disappoint environmentalists but leave President Barack Obama the space to make a decision for or against construction of the pipeline, the person said. The release sets the stage for Mr. Obama to make a final decision in roughly 90 days on the pipeline, which would carry oil to the U.S. from Canadian oil sands.”


InsideClimateNews reports that much of the analysis by the State Department in its Keystone XL Pipeline review relied on material from “Jacobs Consultancy, a group that is owned by a big tar sands developer and that was hired by the Alberta government—which strongly favors the project.” “The Jacobs Consultancy is a subsidiary of Jacobs Engineering, a giant natural resources development company with extensive operations in Alberta’s tar sands fields.” “Jacobs Consultancy has carried out influential studies assessing the oil sands’ carbon footprint—research that has played a role in in the Obama administration’s review of the Keystone XL.” “As a rule, the Jacobs carbon footprint estimates of the tar sands oil that would move through the Keystone XL were considerably lower than alternative estimates produced by the U.S. National Energy Technology Laboratory, or NETL, which is part of the Energy Department and is independent of tar sands commercial interests.”


Judge's ruling a blow to Keystone XL

From article


A district judge ripped up a state law that might have been used to force landowners to allow the pipeline on their property.

As a result, the project could find itself in limbo indefinitely, even if the Obama administration allows the pipeline to cross the U.S. border — a key step that is itself by no means certain.

Lancaster County Judge Stephanie Stacy declared unconstitutional a law that had given Nebraska Gov. Dave Heineman the power to push the project through private land.

Now, unless the law is reinstated by a higher court, Calgary-based pipeline builder TransCanada Corp. might be forced to seek permission from every last landowner on the route.

Further lawsuits seem inevitable, regardless of what President Barack Obama decides."