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Conspiracy Theories or Resistance?

Conspiracy Theories or Resistance?

http://www.zmag.org/znet/viewArticle/23543

"When reasoning ends, believing begins.."

Fidel

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No matter media savvy al-Qaida has never denied a hand in 9/11, on the contrary, Khaled Shaikh Mohammad confessed on Al-Jazeera regarding al-Qaida hand in 9/11, we in Pakistan (and perhaps across Muslim world) keep blaming the USA for plotting to attack itself.

 

He confessed to many things under torture, including a plot to bomb a bank in the US which didn't even exist until after he was imprisoned at Gitmo. And he denied confessing 9/11 guilt to Al Jazeera. Apparently the author is conspiring to spread conspiracy theory.

Fidel

It's not conspiracy theory [url=http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=17663]when western governments admit to having  planned and perpetrated false flag terrorism[/url] in the recent past! World opinion is at ~46% that Al-Qaeda and Al-Qaeda alone is responsible for 9/11. We've seen the enemy.

NDPP

The Media Response to the Growing Influence of the 9/11 Truth Movement

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=17624

"a survey of attitude change.."

B9sus4 B9sus4's picture

Loaded terms like "absurd conspiracy theories" indicate he's already decided, ie., he's already "believing". Reasoning is based on the facts. I'm guessing his "facts" are Marxist theories. I learned a long, long time ago: they are Marx's theories, not Marx's laws. Believers don't get that point. 

The court of history -- the only judge, as even Marx would admit -- is yet out on Marx's theories. It was only a few years ago the "establishment" (whatever the hell that is) had written Marx off completely. "Oh, he's wrong. Admit it. No concentration of capital. No immiseration of the workers. No contraction of the middle classes." etc., etc. But as we discussed in another thread (I think on this forum), today's collapse of the chimera of "capitalism" is ONLY accessible through a Marxian analysis. 

No wait, it was "Is Marx back?" and I said "No, who said Marx ever left?" 

Alabama 3 has a tune: Bourgeoisie Blues.. The voice in the background.. "I.V." (sic) Lenin, says "Who says!" , ie., they say.. and he says "who says!"

Chomsky says "Who cares?" 

One of the Diet Soap videos has someone saying (paraphrased) "I used to love Noam.. but now, after this.."

Fidel

I don't blame Gnome Chomsky or any lefty who agrees with the Chomper that pursuing 9/11 "conspiracy" theory is a waste of time. Apparently Canadian-American Peter Dale Scott has acknowledged their differences and both of them simply agreeing to disagree. I find it odd though that Chomsky has made a career of correcting the political and historical record, but now has chosen to gloss over 9/11 and what is the most important event at the root cause of the phony global war on terror in these dangerous times. I don't understand Chomsky's point of view on this at all.

prisonernumberone prisonernumberone's picture

Having read the first article by Mr. Sulehria I would like to draw attention to his statement " Conspiracy theories also give rise to racism as the blame always is laid on the door of a certain minority." I was not aware of this being an associated quality of actual conspiracies. We are all ,however, aware that this form of explanation is an integral characteristic of the official 9/11 lie. 

All the class analysis in the world does not explain quarter mile high steel and concrete buildings turning to dust before our eyes in less than 10 seconds, from the top down.

As for the comment from the same page I read most of the article mentioned therein. From this article I draw attention to the sentence "Why, for example, have there been no death-bed confessions by any of the conspirators?" .   I would refer other readers to the death bed confession of E. Howard Hunt give to his son concerning the murder of JFK.  I believe all the commentators examples to bolster his arguments are just as unresearched as his assertion that there are no death bed confessions. His appeal to the veracity of Mr. Posner speaks volumes to any person who takes the time to investigate the murder of JFK.

 

Fidel

I tend to agree with the first comment below Sulehria's ZMag essay, and that it is a poorly thought out piece of writing:

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Given these issues, especially the lack of a definition on which we can judge his reasoning, the piece becomes impossibly problematic. He cites Chomsky to support his position; it should be mentioned that Chomsky said himself, correctly, that calling something a conspiracy theory does not render it right or wrong- it is the facts that matter.

The American inquisition's 9/11 narrative reeks of coverup from start to finish even moreso than the bogus Warren Commission's botched investigation. Those who label 9/11 truthers 'conspiracy theorists' and likening 9/11 to the JFK assassination are themselves forgetting that the last US government investigation of JFK's murder concluded that it probably was a conspiracy, and that Oswald probably did not act alone. The Warren Commission investigation was so full of holes that it necessitated subsequent investigations. But in this case, 9/11 Commission chair persons themselves are saying the Pentagon and CIA, FBI and Bush's kleptocrats were hiding information from the panel. Blame those guys, the two 'bipartisan' Commission chairs themselves for feeding the truth movement with much cause for concern that justice was not only not served, justice was mugged, and a phony global war on terror is the direct result.

Oh and uh, this is for the "How can the all-knowing and all-powerful govmint keep a secret, because just look how badly the atomic bomb secret was kept!" non-truthers:

[url=http://coldwar.org/coldwar.org/articles/60s/corona.html]CORONA: A well-kept cold war secret for 35 years[/url] Ten or twelve rocket failures before success, and reams of data on Soviet military installations - more than U2 and SR-71 combined! So, yeah, the vicious empire can hide the truth from the rest of the world for decades at a time when they want to.

 

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hey....all you 911 truthers, stop deflecting attention away from something  important and focusing on something allegedly "unimportant" like in 'who cares", there are more important fish to fry apparently than what really happened on 911.

 

 

*Just was trying to channel my inner deflector of topics people should/would be looking at, if the thought terminating cliche crowd were not running around trying to keep status quo, until pinkie and the brains win.

 

 

Fidel

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_uad3-RsQk]Peter Dale Scott: 9/11, Canada, left gatekeepers & Zelikow[/url] (YouTube)

Peter Dale Scott refers to Chomsky as having a structuralist view of America. Chomsky believes that US hawks are rational in what they do. PDS argues that US hawks are often irrational when it comes to domestic and foreign policies.

Howard Zinn said to PDS that recognizing division between the US ruling class and US rulers is bad politics.

PDS says that 9/11 is relevant to Canada and Canadians because US hawks have pulled Canada into their geopolitical strategy and policies for NATO terror in Central Asia. How can we not be concerned about the false pretext for dragging Canada into a phony globo war on terror? If Canada had no enemies before, we do now.

Now a desperate thirdworld humanity can hate Canadians for our freedumbs, too. Contrary to what non-truthers would have us believe, 9/11 is still serious business, and especially so for Canada.

Fidel

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NDPP

Fidel wrote:

Now a desperate thirdworld humanity can hate Canadians for our freedumbs, too. Contrary to what non-truthers would have us believe, 9/11 is still serious business, and especially so for Canada.

NDPP

Fidel: 'Freedumbs" rocks!

Fidel

It's all a conspiracy.

NDPP

Fidel wrote:

It's all a conspiracy.

NDPP

conspiracy = persons aligned in interest

of course it's a conspiracy - what else?

NDPP

Yet Another Congressman Questions 9/11

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=17688

"Congressman Jason Chaftez just said that we need to be vigilant and continue to investigate 9/11. A nutjob right? Maybe. But he joins quite a few other Congressmen.."

Fidel

NoDifferencePartyPooper wrote:

Yet Another Congressman Questions 9/11

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=17688

"Congressman Jason Chaftez just said that we need to be vigilant and continue to investigate 9/11. A nutjob right? Maybe. But he joins quite a few other Congressmen.."

A nutjob, right?

Maybe.

And,  see the lengthy list of congressmen, intelligence officers, several 9/11 Commision panelists themselves, and other public officials in America calling for a transparent and accountable investigation into 9/11.

In words almost identical to those of Monthy Python: NOBODY expects the American Inquisition!

B9sus4 B9sus4's picture

"Conspiracy theories also give rise to racism as the blame always is laid on the door of a certain minority."

That's right! Goddamn space aliens! When them rats is not cookin' up them crop circles to confooz us, they is blowin' shit up! 

One day they'll run out of cows to mutilate and hillbillies to butt probe. Then watch out, fellow North Merkins! It'll every man for hisself.. like in that fine movie with Tom Cruise abattlin' the flabby stinkin' commie space aliens. That there was a knee slapper!

NDPP

International Press Release: Engineers for 911 Announce Milestone, Feb 19, 2010

http://www.ae911truth.org/info/160

"Richard Gage, AIA architect and founder of the non-profit Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth, will announce a decisive milestone today at a press conference in San Francisco, as more than 1,000 worldwide architects and engineers now support the call for a new investigation into the destruction of the Twin Towers and Building 7 at the World Trade Center on September 11, 2001..."

NDPP

911 The Road to Armageddon

http://www.countercurrents.org/roberts260210.htm

"Before we yell 'conspiracy theory' we should be aware that the architects, engineers, firefighters and scientists offer no theory. They provide evidence that challenges the official theory. That evidence is not going to go away..."

Fidel

[url=http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=17855]VIDEO: Mysterious Deaths of 9/11 Witnesses[/url]  USSA backsliding on democracy?