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melovesproles

JKR wrote:

Instead of waiting endlessly for that I think it would be better to implement international law that supports the implementation of a negotiated two-state solution.

Do you think it should require negotiation to implement international law in regards to Israel's continuous illegal settlement building in the occupied territories? Since when does a victim need to negotiate with their assailant when a crime has been committed? If international law existed in any real sense, those settlements wouldn't exist let alone be multiplying.

NDPP

Not to mention the fact the apartheid state has repeatedly demonstrated a steadfast refusal to abide by international law including numerous UN resolutions that conclusively pronounce its occupation illegal.

kropotkin1951

JKR wrote:

kropotkin1951 wrote:

Phoenicians and Canaanites had a prior claim to the land, before the Jewish people claimed God gave it too them and they could slay all the non-believers as needed.

According to some "the Jews killed Jesus" even though Jesus himself was supposed to be Jewish. 

One would have to first believe that Christ is an actual historic figure, let alone a god to even consider going down that rabbit hole The reality is that Israel is a murderous, genocidal, theocratic state inhabited by European settlers.

JKR

melovesproles wrote:

JKR wrote:

Instead of waiting endlessly for that I think it would be better to implement international law that supports the implementation of a negotiated two-state solution.

Do you think it should require negotiation to implement international law in regards to Israel's continuous illegal settlement building in the occupied territories? Since when does a victim need to negotiate with their assailant when a crime has been committed? If international law existed in any real sense, those settlements wouldn't exist let alone be multiplying.

Israelis and many others also feel that Israelis are also victims and Palestinians, other Arabs, Muslims, and Iranians are their assailants. Many countries and many in the international community see Israelis and Arabs as both being victims and assailants of each other. That's why negotiations have been seen as the solution according to UNSC resolutions like UNSC 242. International law sees the solution as being "Termination of all claims or states of belligerency and respect for and acknowledgment of the sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence of every State in the area and their right to live in peace within secure and recognized boundaries free from threats or acts of force."

https://documents-dds-ny.un.org/doc/RESOLUTION/GEN/NR0/240/94/PDF/NR024094.pdf?OpenElement

NDPP

 It is impossible to conduct honourable dealings or negotiations with a racist state that has never demonstrated anything but mendacity and malevolence towards the Indigenous Palestinians. As with Apartheid South Africa, the regime must fall. Especially since..

  • The ethnic cleasing of Palestine continues
  • Gaza is still besieged
  • Sheikh Jarrah is still under attack
  • Al Aqsa is still being threatened
JKR

What do you mean when you say "the regime must fall"?

kropotkin1951

JKR wrote:

What do you mean when you say "the regime must fall"?

I would expect he meant its normal meaning, the system of government in Israel needs to change. Given it is a race based theocratic state with more than one class of citizen that would seem to be a given.

 

JKR

What system should Israel change to? And shouldn't it be up to them to decide what system they have? 

NDPP

Correct. How can anyone defend Israeli apartheid? Are you a Zionist?

JKR

Many countries in the the world support a specific religion. Why should Israel be singled out for criticism for supporting Judaism when many counties support other religions?

Ken Burch

JKR wrote:

Many countries in the the world support a specific religion. Why should Israel be singled out for criticism for supporting Judaism when many counties support other religions?

Israel ISN'T "singled out for supporting Judaism".  Quite frankly, the fact that Israel identifies as a "Jewish state" has nothing to do with the protests going on about how the Israeli government treats Palestinians.

It's about ethnic supremacism, nationalism, and land theft.

And again, nobody on this board is an antisemite- and to my knowledge, hardly any here is a practicing Christian-   so there was no excuse for bringing up the Crucifixtion of all things.  What the Romans did to Jesus- if Jesus even existed- has nothing to do with what anyone here feels about that issue.   

Quite frankly, it is demagogic of you to bring any of that into this discussion.

kropotkin1951

JKR wrote:

Many countries in the the world support a specific religion. Why should Israel be singled out for criticism for supporting Judaism when many counties support other religions?

Name the other countries that have immigration based on religion and rights of citizenship based on religion. Canada does not make Jewish people second class citizen, that it reserves for Indians. Palestinians in Israel are now controlled almost as much as we used to control Indians when they could not leave their reserves without the permission of the Indian Agent.

melovesproles

JKR wrote:

International law sees the solution as being "Termination of all claims or states of belligerency and respect for and acknowledgment of the sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence of every State in the area and their right to live in peace within secure and recognized boundaries free from threats or acts of force."

Termination = Stop. Not negotiate. There is no way decades of settlement building in the occupied territories is respecting Palestinian sovereignty or territorial integrity.

It's amazing to me how apologists for Israel these days just try to completely gloss over the fact Israel has been engaging in not just illegal occupation but straight-up annexation, a violation of the most basic tenet of international law. Just bizarre, as if they can magic an ongoing illegal annexation project away as one small point that can be brought up in future negotiations if the 'irrational' 'other' ever gets the right 'leadership'. The case for Israeli Occupation has no basis in international law and it's extremely dishonest to pretend otherwise.  Just as dishonest is claiming the goal is a two-state solution while Israel has continued to make that untenable with ever-expanding settlements in Palestinian territory.

JKR

melovesproles wrote:

JKR wrote:

International law sees the solution as being "Termination of all claims or states of belligerency and respect for and acknowledgment of the sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence of every State in the area and their right to live in peace within secure and recognized boundaries free from threats or acts of force."

Termination = Stop. Not negotiate.

The international community including China, the US, and Russia supports the negotiation of a two state solution between Israel and Palestinian leaders.

 

JKR

kropotkin1951 wrote:

Name the other countries that have immigration based on religion and rights of citizenship based on religion.

Saudi Arabia. Iran, and, Syria.

melovesproles

JKR wrote:

melovesproles wrote:

JKR wrote:

International law sees the solution as being "Termination of all claims or states of belligerency and respect for and acknowledgment of the sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence of every State in the area and their right to live in peace within secure and recognized boundaries free from threats or acts of force."

Termination = Stop. Not negotiate.

The international community including China, the US, and Russia supports the negotiation of a two state solution between Israel and Palestinian leaders.

 

The international community has also been united in telling Israel to stop building settlements in Palestinian territory with many saying that the settlements are the biggest obstacle to a two-state solution but Israel has continued to build them. How many viable states have the territorial integrity of Swiss Cheese?

NDPP

WATCH: #SheikhJarrah, Palestine: Israeli occupation forces frustrated by a child's kite

https://twitter.com/OLAASM/status/1402646251120644097

"On resistance: 'Even if all you can do is spit...than spit.' - Alprentice 'Bunchy' Carter."

Free Gaza! Free Palestine! Stop supporting Apartheid Israel!

NDPP

Israel and its western allies [Canada etc] have rund out of Palestinian enforcers

https://twitter.com/AliAbunimah/status/1403424305329934342

"Panic has gripped the US, Europe, Arab client regimes and the PA since the recent successes of the heroic Palestinian resistance, writes Joseph Massad. 'A continuation of the strategy of finding client leaders cannot forestall the massive Palestinian anti-colonial revolt to come..."

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