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Happy Birthday Magna Carta  -  by Paul Craig Roberts


"Western capitalism is a looting mechanism. A new slave existence is being created in front of our eyes as law ceases to be a shield of peoples and becomes a weapon in the hand of government."


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I think this thread needs a link to these discussions. With Baltimore now, I can't help but see these events as riot provocation, and therefore police state prep.

In defense of black rage: Michael Brown, police and the American dream

What's going on in Baltimore?

Sandra Bland



Canadian Terrorism Trials Reveal Use of Entrapment by Police and Intelligence Agencies  -  by Roger Jordan


"Two ongoing Canadian terrorism trials provide fresh evidence of the state's use of informants and undercover agents to implicate vulnerable and other mentally unstable individuals in alleged terrorist plots..."


'Anonymous' Starts Slow Leaking of Cabinet Confidences, CSE Spy Attempts (and vid)


"...There is info in the PR that's explosive, we think, but we are not providing source documentation on that now or ever. If we did, someone would be in a police party van within 15 minutes,' said a police spokesman for the group.

'Canadian security forces and their Five Eyes partners in New Zealand, the UK, Australia and the US have been extremely proactive in developing and purchasing offensive hacking capabilities,' said a masked anonymous spokesperson in the group's most recent video.

Fortunately for us, Canada has been far more lax in defending its own systems."

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How about a redacted font to give you the sense of the NSA over your shoulder?

A London based Masters student has done just that. RT has a little report on it ...

RT: Would you like to avoid NSA spying on you? Here's what to do.

eta: subtitled "It’s easy - you only have to stop using most of the words in the English language."

The font can be obtained over here.


No. 6: "Be seeing you."


This is excellent.

How to Survive Confrontational Cops (video)


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This is excellent.

How to Survive Confrontational Cops (video)


Great video. I've pulled the whole "Am I being detained? No? Okay I am leaving" when dealing with an irate officer.

Expect them to level all kinds of accusations like you're being suspocious or accuse you of hiding something.  In my case the officer followed me home and parked on the road infront of my next door neighbour for 10 minutes.

If a cop is being polite then I'll be suspicious but


Yes, I'm not sure if all of this applies in the Canadian case, but worth looking into.

One would think police training would more and more be trying to address this kind of behaviour, but the new 'terror management' culture in which this is occurring also only encourages it.

I found an RCMP officer's attitude and manner with me last month in a traffic pullover required great emotional restraint on my part, and a little voice in me told me to defer and be polite. After I had pulled over, he sat in his car for 4 - 5 minutes, not looking at me, not giving me any direction or instruction. Four minutes is a long time to be kept pulled over when you don't know what your offence was. He was running a check on my licence plate, but that's something that could have been done after speaking to me.

It's a small thing, but conveys an attitude that is easily interpreted as power tripping. And it's the power tripping that triggers people. And police know it, and they use it provocatively.




Here is another great video highlighting abuse of authority.


It's a DUI checkpoint and the driver sets off the officers by not rolling his window down all the way. The police escalate including having a dog scratch the guys car while searching, bullshit a false hit from the dog which gives them the authority to search his car without permission. You even hear the police officer grumbling that the man is completely innocent and knows the laws, but that doesn't stop them from searching. At no point do they even ask him if he's had anything to drink.


Liberals Plan Swift Overhaul of Anti-Terror Law


"...A key feature of the replacement legislation is expected to be the creation of a multi-party, joint House of Commons-Senate committee, sworn to secrecy and reporting to the prime minister and through him to Parliament. It would have a full-time staff, acess to the necessary secret information and be tasked with strategic oversight of every government department and agency with national security responsibilities, according to a source familiar with the content."


Terrorizing School Children

Increasingly, institutions such as schools, prisons, detention centers, and our major economic, cultural and social institutions are being organized around the production of violence. Rather than promote democratic values and a respect for others or embrace civic values, they often function largely to humiliate, punish, and demonize any vestige of social responsibility. Violence both permeates and drives foreign policy, dominates popular culture, and increasingly is used to criminalize a wide range of social behaviors, especially among African-Americans.


wrong thread


Was it something that you wrote that you're referring to, or is it my post?  Because if it is my post that you are saying is in the wrong thread, the post is actually about police state issues.  Or are you back to stalking me again.  If so, piss off creep.


Slumberjack wrote:
Was it something that you wrote that you're referring to, or is it my post?  Because if it is my post that you are saying is in the wrong thread, the post is actually about police state issues.  Or are you back to stalking me again.  If so, piss off creep.

wtf????????? i've never fkn stalked you so stop with the personal attacks.

i posted something about 24 sussex in this thread mistakenly. so i removed it and put it where it was supposed to be.

Mr. Magoo

Here's a similar piece in the Star.

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RCMP need warrantless access to online subscriber info: Paulson

Police need warrantless access to Internet subscriber information to keep pace with child predators and other online
criminals, says RCMP Commissioner Bob Paulson.

The top Mountie said Wednesday that a Supreme Court of Canada ruling curtailing the flow of basic data about customers — such as name and address — has "put a chill on our ability to initiate investigations."


The Canadian Association of Chiefs of Police revealed in August that government officials were mulling just such a scheme — though it's not clear exactly how it would square with the court ruling.

The chiefs said a discussion paper spearheaded by the Department of Justice was presented to the federal, provincial and territorial cybercrime working group of senior officials.

The paper outlined three legislative options for allowing access to basic subscriber information:

  • An administrative scheme that would not involve court approval.
  • A new judicial order process or a tweak to the existing regime.
  • A judicial order process for subscriber information with a greater expectation of privacy and an administrative, non-judicial one for less sensitive subscriber data.

Terrorism: From Canada to France False Flags Fly High Over Retreating Liberties


"There is really nothing new about false flag terrorism. It serves to create an enemy where none previously existed..."


Security or Surveillance: Privacy vs Anti-Terror Security in Digital Age


Panel discussion with Julian Assange, Ray Mcgovern and others discuss the surveillance state


This is What the US Government Uses to Spy on Your Cellphone


"Cyberhawk, Yellowstone, Blackfin, Maximus, Cyclone and Spartacus - These are the names of surveillance devices the Obama administration uses to spy on American citizens through their cellphones.

The Intercept obtained the catalogue from a source within the intelligence community concerned about the militarization of domestic law enforcement. One device is capable of spying on 10,000 mobile phone users simultaneously, to identify their location, wiretap and catch SMS-messages..."

And you may assume C-51 Canada has similar capabilities


Canada Developing Arsenal of Cyber-Weapons


"Canada plans to take steps to 'strengthen' its cyber-warfare arsenal, according to documents released by the Department of National Defence. The documents are a rare public admission from National Defence that it is developing offensive cyber-weapons..."


Rule By Thieves: One Week in the American Kleptocracy


"On Tuesday, March 7, hacked information about the surveillance state was met with a collective shrug by the public, a sign of how indifferent the citizenry has become to living in an electronic concentration camp..."

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Activist’s protest against practice of ‘carding’ derails Toronto police board meeting

A meeting of the Toronto Police Services Board came to an abrupt end Thursday afternoon when journalist and activist Desmond Cole admonished board members for failing to destroy carding data, then stalled the proceedings by refusing to leave the speaker’s chair.

Cole had been making a public deputation about the controversial police practice of “carding” when he announced that he would launch an immediate protest if the board did not agree to put stricter constraints on police access to the data collected through the “illicit” practice.

“It was never your information to take in the first place,” said Cole, who is a Toronto Star columnist.

“I plan to stand here in protest until you commit today, here and now, to restricting the police having our information going forward.

“You want to ruin another generation of children’s lives, and I’m not going to allow you to do it,” Cole continued, rising from his seat and raising his fist in the air.

When Cole was asked to leave to let the meeting continue, he refused, prompting a 10-minute adjournment.

Soon after, the board reconvened to cancel the remainder of the meeting.

Uniformed police officers then moved into the meeting room at Toronto police headquarters and escorted Cole out — “intimidation” Cole said was telling, considering he was protesting how police follow racialized people throughout the city “and their response is to send more police.”....


Desmond Cole's suggestion was not welcome.

Thanks, epaulo. I gather Desmond Cole's suggestion to destroy racist harassment data was not welcome.

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Spies in our midst: RCMP and CSIS snoop on green activists

This is the first installment in a two-part investigative series on governments, spies, and the oil and gas industry

“Mr. Tremblay, do you remember me?”

Ron Tremblay was just walking out of the Lord Beaverbrook hotel when a young woman in a dark-blue pantsuit approached him. The Lord Beaverbrook is a beige, unremarkable edifice that sits in downtown Fredericton, kitty-corner to the New Brunswick legislature. On this summer morning last August, a panel of Canada’s federal energy regulator, the National Energy Board (NEB), was holding hearings at the hotel about the proposed Energy East pipeline – which is designed to carry oil from the tar sands of Alberta to New Brunswick’s port city of Saint John.

As the Grand Chief of the Wolastoq Grand Council – whose territory Energy East would cross – Tremblay had gone to listen to fellow opponents of the pipeline give a presentation before the NEB panel. When the young woman caught up to him, she introduced herself as RCMP Constable Joanne Spacek, working for a “Special Projects Unit” out of Moncton, NB.

“I was wondering if we could have a coffee sometime,” Spacek asked Tremblay.

A stocky, friendly, open-faced man in his mid-50s who wears dark-rimmed glasses, Tremblay agreed to meet with her.

An unmarked van parked outside his house

A couple of months later Tremblay met with Spacek in Fredericton. “I didn’t hide anything from her,” he recalls about their discussion. “I told her we want to protect our sacred ways, land and water and not want it poisoned.” Spacek, however, had her own concerns: namely the RCMP didn’t want the "wrong people" causing disturbances over the construction of resource development projects like Energy East. Tremblay understood what she was referring to: namely warriors from First Nations’ communities and other environmental activists. After awhile, Tremblay felt Spacek was trying to pump him for information about plans for any protests....

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..update on the #323 post.

Journalist Desmond Cole on How the Toronto Star Tried to Silence His Activism for Black Liberation

Last month here in Toronto, journalist Desmond Cole was told by his editor at the Toronto Star that he had violated the newspaper’s rules on journalism and activism, after Cole protested a Toronto Police Services Board meeting. In his writings, Cole has long criticized the controversial police practice of carding—stopping, interrogating and collecting data on individuals without probable cause, a practice which disproportionately targets people of color in Canada. In 2015, he wrote a widely read piece for Toronto Life titled "The Skin I’m In: I’ve been interrogated by police more than 50 times—all because I’m black." For more, we speak with Desmond Cole, former columnist for the Toronto Star and now a freelance journalist, activist and radio host on Newstalk 1010.


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EXCLUSIVE: Trudeau government broke privacy rules with expanded spy program

The federal government broke its own privacy rules this spring when it expanded the Five Eyes intelligence network to automatically share 1.2 million confidential Canadian files per year with its international spy partners.

Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship Canada (IRCC) and the Privacy Commissioner both confirmed to National Observer that the IRCC did not file a privacy impact assessment before launching the program, which automatically shares personal data with the United States, the United Kingdom, Australia and New Zealand.

The advance assessment, used to identify and mitigate potential risks to privacy, is required by a Treasury Board directive designed to ensure anti-terrorism measures don’t violate personal privacy rights.

“It is quite shocking that they didn’t do a privacy impact assessment,” said Brenda McPhail, director of the privacy, technology and surveillance project of the Canadian Civil Liberties Association.

“For this kind of massive information-sharing agreement, that absolutely should have been done. This is a big problem.”

The Treasury Board, which is responsible for handling this breach of protocol, did not respond to requests for comment in time for publication of this story.

Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship Canada confirmed earlier this week that it had not filed the privacy impact assessment, but it has not responded to follow-up questions from National Observer about why. In an emailed statement, it said that it has plans to file one in the future, but did not offer a timeline....

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Winnipeg Transit gave Peggo card travel history to police without warrants

Winnipeg Transit has handed over the private travel history of bus riders to law enforcement without requiring a warrant, CBC News has learned.

City officials confirmed that on four occasions since March of 2017, Winnipeg police have requested the data generated through the use of Peggo cards for a specific passenger to assist with an investigation.

On each occasion, the transit service provided police with the desired records.....

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Mexico Spied on Human Rights Investigators & Families of Missing Students Instead of the Kidnappers


AMY GOODMAN: And explain exactly what happened. You had a key investigator who had his phone infected, and many of the other investigators were using his phone. Is that right? And explain what—

RONALD DEIBERT: That’s correct.

AMY GOODMAN: —the phone was doing and where it was transmitting to.

RONALD DEIBERT: OK. Well, actually, to really understand this, you have to go back. This is the latest in a series of reports that we have done over the last several months, going back to our first report, which found that advocates for a tax on sugary beverages in Mexico—three health scientists had received messages with links to NSO Group infrastructure. Following that, we found that a number of journalists and human rights activists and lawyers, including the other guest on your show, had received messages containing the same type of links, with domains associated with the NSO Group infrastructure. A few weeks ago, we published another report about Mexican opposition politicians.

And this latest one, I think, is the most egregious. It’s a phone belonging to the international investigators into the 2014 mass disappearances in Mexico of students. So this was a phone handled by one of the people involved in this international investigatory group. They received two messages just prior to the release of their major public report. The group, it should be said, had a kind of public falling out with the Mexico attorney general. And the report was quite critical of the Mexican government. So all of this together is adding up to a lot of circumstantial evidence pointing to some agency within the Mexican government or an individual associated with the Mexican government responsible for the targeting.

It should be said also that this type of technology is restricted to government clients. The NSO Group itself says that they only sell to Mexican—to government agencies and restrict the use of their technology to antiterror, national security or criminal investigations. I think, under anyone’s reasonable definition, these targets couldn’t fit into that category.

AMY GOODMAN: So, Pegasus could record anything picked up by your phone microphone, or even its camera. Even when you’re not using the phone, it can be transmitting audio and video back to the government.

RONALD DEIBERT: Absolutely. It’s effectively a very powerful wiretap. It can also be used to spoof messages, to read encrypted messages. In fact, a lot of the inspiration or the driving force for this type of service, this type of technology, comes from the fact that a lot of people are using end-to-end encrypted communications for chat messages, for email. And that drives those who want to intercept those communications to try to get inside the device. So this spyware has become very popular, very lucrative for the companies that sell it to government agencies.


Maybe it time to dismantle these secretive policing agencies as they don't seem trustworthy enough or principled enough to get the job done in an appropriate manner


Definitely. Past time. Can't be fixed either when "getting the job done" is amply demonstrated in the cases of Arar and Khadr. Are Canucklheads really content to give these people sweeping new powers?

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..more on #323 post

I'm standing with Desmond Cole against anti-Black racism -- and you should too

Desmond Cole sat alone at the end of the long Toronto Police Services Board table, waiting to be arrested.

A throng of reporters documented his words and movements from a few feet away. I and other regular board-meeting attendees were sprinkled among them, watching anxiously.

It was July 27, 2017, and the fourth board meeting in a row at which Desmond was calling out board members and chief Mark Saunders for letting the Toronto police run roughshod over Black residents' civil rights.

This time, the issue was the four-month delay before the Special Investigations Unit (SIU) was told about the December 28, 2016 severe beating of Black teen Dafonte Miller by off-duty Toronto cop Michael Theriault and his brother Christian.

The incident was not on the public agenda; instead, the board had discussed it behind closed doors before the public meeting began.

This is one of the rapidly escalating measures the police brass, board and union are using to ensure public participation is an extremely controlled veneer.

The meetings are held in police headquarters; other board meetings, such as those of the Toronto Transit Commission (TTC), are at city hall. Police screening of every civilian who enters the building started some time last month -- ostensibly because an armed man entered the building and threatened to kill police, although the incident has not been independently verified. Then, in the boardroom itself, a newly erected row of stanchions cuts the public off from the board table and from the far side of the room, except for a small gap that gives access to the chairs where people sit when addressing the board. There are also uniformed police in the room during meetings; they first made their appearance in April.

But the police and board hadn't counted on the courage, confidence, charisma and conviction of Desmond Cole, who's a freelance journalist, activist and radio host. He's a tour de force -- shown, for example, in his article and documentary titled The Skin I'm In......


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At the May board meeting, I handed out #IStandWithDesmond lapel buttons I'd made. The topic at that meeting was the School Resource Officer (SRO) program. Chief Saunders unwaveringly maintains that the program is helpful and must remain in place. However, several people -- including Cole and members of Educators for Peace and Justice -- described how the program fuels the "school-to-prison pipeline." They also explained that it results in many children being deported every year, because SROs meet regularly with Canada Border Services Agency officials to report students and their families who do not have their immigration papers in order.

The SRO program was on the agenda again in June. This time, the police stacked the meeting by bussing in dozens of solely pro-SRO students, teachers and administrators from the Toronto Catholic District School Board. Uniformed and armed police physically barred the boardroom doors -- including by using bicycles as barricades -- so that dozens of people who they believed don't support the SRO program couldn't enter. In addition, police sat in many seats in the boardroom and only gave them up for people who were going to speak in favour of the program.

Cole and members of Black Lives Matter Toronto repeatedly interrupted the proceedings to protest these egregious actions.


CSIS Secretly Capturing Phone-Identifying Data Of Terrorism Suspects: Ruling


"Canada's domestic spy service has been capturing the phone-identifying data of terrorism suspects for years without judicial knowledge or oversight, according to a ruling released Tuesday. But CSIS's warrantless use of data - capturing devices is legal and proper in most instances, the ruling says...'State objectives of public importance (ie national security) are predominant..."


Introducing 'Haven'


Security system for your Android smartphone - Ed Snowden


Thought Police For the 21st Century  -  by Chris Hedges



Finding Your Voice


"Forget about Siri and Alexa - when it comes to voice identification, the 'NSA reigns supreme'


The War Against 'Fake News' Is A War Against Us  -  by Jonathan Cook


"Barely a day passes without a new development in the war on social media - that is, the war on us...The stakes couldn't be higher. Our response needs to match that threat."


Surveillance, Secret Trials and Bill C-59's Attack on the Charter


"The National Security Act creates the legal conditions for mass surveillance in Canada..."


Revealed: Canada Uses Massive US Anti-Terrorist Database at Borders


"Tuscan is separate from Canada's official no-fly list and has more than 680,000 names provided to every border guard. Database is effectively a second Canadian no-fly list, run by the US..."


On Contact: Tear Gas - A Chemical Weapon


"US Border Control used tear gas to try and deter asylum seekers - many of whom are women and children - at the US/Mexico border last weekend. But what do we know about tear gas?

Dr Anna Feigenbaum, author of 'Tear Gas: From the Battlefields of WW1 to the Streets of Today', talks to Chris Hedges.


Tear gas isn't too bad in terms of damage it causes. It's an irritant that turns the mucus membrain to acid (so to speak) and it causes you to want to be somewhere else very badly.

Interesting factoid. Soldiers using tear gas against other soldiers or combatants is considered a warcrime under the Geneva convention since it's a "chemical weapon" attack. But the same soldiers can use it against civilians in which case it's a riot control agent.

Tear gas of today is considerably different than what was used in WW1.

I've been exposed to it a lot and I'm just fine.



Top Secret Committee to Study Foreign Meddling, Military Use of Canadians' Info (and vid)


"Over the next year, the top-secret National Security and Intelligence Committee of Parliamentarians plans to probe the threat foreign interference poses Canada and examine how the military collects and uses information about Canadians. The high-level oversight body was created in 2017 and mirrors similar committees set up in the other 'Five Eyes' alliance countries..."

*May not be exactly as appears in advertisement.


They Spy With Their Little Eye


"The Five Eyes, a part of what the NSA calls internally its 'global network' have their dirty fingerprints all over the latest spying scandal engulfing New Zealand..."

See also #343


"The sprawling, unconstrained, multi-level power of Google, Facebook & Amazon; and their virtual merger with the security-state and law enforcement agencies to build a surveillance state, is one of the most important yet undercovered topics, so I was glad to talk about it last night...(see vid)



"Regardless of what you think of Rania Khalek, Russia or anything else, this trio - CNN, US-funded Marshall Fund and Facebook, working together to selectively censor is highly disturbing. But this is the inevitable outcome of begging Facebook to censor..."



The Jimmy Dore Show


"CNN & Facebook to silence dissenting voices."


Hedges: Worshipping the Electronic Image


"Reality has become stagecraft. We live in a world where fantasy is more real than reality. We are the most illusioned people on earth..."

voice of the damned

^ So, imperialism was less of a thing before the electronic age, when everyone was getting their news from print media?

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Hedges wrote:

In fact, it seems clear enough that the first republican institution to go was the citizen’s army. In the wake of the Vietnam War, the draft was thrown out and replaced by an “all-volunteer” force, one which would, as it came to fight on ever more distant battlefields, morph into a home-grown version of an imperial police force or foreign legion.

I never really thought that the idea of a "citizen's army" was connected specifically to the continuation of a draft. I guess all those young men burning their draft-cards in the 60s were really just helping to usher in the triumph of neo-con imperialism?   

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voice of the damned wrote:

Hedges wrote:

In fact, it seems clear enough that the first republican institution to go was the citizen’s army. In the wake of the Vietnam War, the draft was thrown out and replaced by an “all-volunteer” force, one which would, as it came to fight on ever more distant battlefields, morph into a home-grown version of an imperial police force or foreign legion.

I never really thought that the idea of a "citizen's army" was connected specifically to the continuation of a draft. I guess all those young men burning their draft-cards in the 60s were really just helping to usher in the triumph of neo-con imperialism?   

It's an interesting point, but I have to agree with Hedges on this one. The idea is that a universal (except for the most wealthy families, and even many of them would submit to appear patriotic) draft forces everyone to pay attention to what wars the country gets involved in. In the current system, most of those who volunteer are poor or otherwise disadvantaged, and have few other career choices. Thus, the comfortable middle class can support whatever foreign adventures the neo-cons propose without risking their own precious offspring being sent to the front.

The burning of draft cards in the 60s wasn't so much a protest against the draft as it was a protest against the Vietnam war in particular. However, the existence of the draft, like a scheduled execution, had a marvelous focussing effect on the minds of those who might be forced to fight. Had the armed forces of the day been "all volunteer", the protests would have been much less widespread, and much less successful.


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The burning of draft cards in the 60s wasn't so much a protest against the draft as it was a protest against the Vietnam war in particular. However, the existence of the draft, like a scheduled execution, had a marvelous focussing effect on the minds of those who might be forced to fight. Had the armed forces of the day been "all volunteer", the protests would have been much less widespread, and much less successful.

 Fascinating discussion and I also think that the the anti-Vietnam War movement would not have a mass movement without the draft.

My part of the country welcomed many draft dodgers and some of them are still my friends.