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Bruce Clark: About the Pipeline

https://rabble.ca/babble/indigenous-issues-and-culture/bruce-clark-about...

"...This brings us to the critical point from the pipeline's perspective. The newer law says that all the Indians have is a right to be consulted before development can occur on their land. The older law says that no development can occur until the Indians have signed a treaty. No treaty has been signed..."

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UNDRIP: Shit Wipe for Canada

https://twitter.com/KanahusFreedom/status/1285436018716377089

"Horgan turned UNDRIP into toilet paper in BC when he supported RCMP invasion and forced removal of Wet'suwet'en and their supporters! Now he's signalling RCMP to target Tiny House Warriors!"

Another NDP Gustafsen Lake redux? DON'T EVEN THINK OF IT JOHN HORGAN!

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If TMX isn't stopped you WILL see something similar on the West Coast...

Drone footage shows the extent of the spill in Mauritius

https://twitter.com/TheNationalUAE/status/1292375262366183424

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Changing of the Guard at TMX Tree-Sit

http://gorillaradioblog.blogspot.com/2020/08/changing-of-guard-at-tmx-tr...

"Anti-TMX Holmes Creek  tree-top resistance camp is in the forested area southeast of where the Trans-Canada highway crosses North Road in Burnaby/New Westminster..."

Stop TMX!

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I think there needs to be more focus on the economic case against the pipeline and more discussion about paying for end of life removal of the pipeline.

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Skyrocketing Costs of TMX Should Concern Taxpayers

https://pull-together.ca/skyrocketing-costs-of-tmx-should-concern-taxpay...

"A $5.2 billion cost increase for the Trans Mountain pipeline and tankers project will saddle taxpayers with an unacceptable burden if the project moves ahead, say lawyers at West Coast Environmental Law. Trans Mountain announced today that the projected cost for construction has risen to $12.6 billion - a dramatic 70% increase from recent estimates of $7.4 billion and even greater from the intial estimate of $5.4 billion in Kinder-Morgan's original application.

This cost is in addition to the $4.4 billion purchase price of the existing Trans Mountain pipeline, as well as a $600 million reserve recommended to cover potential contingencies, bringing the total cost to over $17 billion. 'For months, Canadians have been left wondering about the costs creeping up for this risky, uneconomic project. These new estimates should be  a wake-up call for the federal government that it's time to walk away from Trans Mountain and focus on economic alternatives that actually make sense for taxpayers, communities and the environment,' said Eugene Kung, Staff Lawyer..."

These jaw-dropping estimates, in February have skyrocketed even more since. As well, international oil prices have plummeted even more below  the 'break even' $75 per barrel price of the toxic low-grade heavily discounted tar-sands dilbit we ship. We're all being taken for a ride and should wake up and smell the coffee. Unfortunately, such things rarely happen in Canada.

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WATCH: "The TransMountain pipeline makes neither economic or environmental sense, and represents an enormous sink-hole for public money that's urgently needed elsewhere. The time is now to halt all new fossil fuel infrastructure projects."

https://twitter.com/dimitrilascaris/status/1296488816576954370

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Trudeau confidence vote means NDP holds all the cards — and a chance to ditch TMX for good

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This means that for the next few weeks, Jagmeet Singh and the NDP have a serious chance to impact Canadian politics for the better. To do this, they need to put Canada’s climate ambition squarely on the bargaining table.

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This is a problem because, at the end of the day, Canada’s COVID-19 recovery plan is going to have to be a choice. Either our government will choose to prioritize people and our planet, investing in things such as green jobs, Indigenous rights, and public health and education. Or, Justin Trudeau will choose to do what we’ve seen him do countless times before, signal progressive action before backing policies that maintain the status quo.

Trans Mountain is a microcosm of this choice. Either we spend billions of dollars helping people and communities weather the storm of COVID-19 and the coming recession, or we spend that money on a climate-wrecking pipeline.

In the last election, the NDP said they would be the party that held Trudeau’s feet to the fire. And, giving credit where credit is due, they have done so throughout this pandemic, winning concessions from the government that have truly helped most working people.

But right now, the NDP have a massive opportunity to do more than just win a few concessions. By putting Trans Mountain on the negotiating table, and drawing a bright line between a truly Just Recovery and a plan that continues to serve the interests a wealthy elite, they can help shift Canada onto a path that gives us the greatest chance of not only tackling this global health crisis, but the social, economic and climate crises we face.

Of course, convincing Justin Trudeau to defund Trans Mountain won’t happen overnight. But if the NDP brings the pipeline into their negotiations with Trudeau, it will force a national conversation about Canada’s post-pandemic priorities.

This is critical, since as we saw back in February when the cost of Trans Mountain rose, support for the project plummeted. One might hypothesize that, in the midst of a global pandemic, the public may be even less supportive of throwing billions at a pipeline instead of spending that money keeping our children, teachers and front-line workers safe.

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SFU students get 13 student unions to sign anti-TMX letter

Thirteen groups representing 180,000 post-secondary students across the country are backing a call by SFU student groups for the federal government to reconsider the Trans Mountain pipeline expansion.

Students from the university have written a letter to the federal government, saying TMX is “not only unprofitable and unsustainable, but violates the sovereignty of the First Nations whose unceded ancestral lands the expansion trespasses.”

Thirteen student groups are listed among the 29 signatories on the letter, which was initiated by Justice, No Pipeline and DogwoodSFU.Among the signatories are the SFU Graduate Student Society and the Society of Arts and Social Sciences.

The student groups are backed by, among others, SFU’s faculty association, the Sustainabiliteens, the Wilderness Committee, Burnaby Residents Opposing Kinder Morgan Expansion and the Green Party leadership campaign of former Burnaby North-Seymour candidate Amita Kuttner. Student unions from McMaster, Concordia and McGill universities have also signed on.

“As part of the project, the Burnaby Mountain Tank Farm facility is also set to expand, which poses a huge risk to the thousands of students at Simon Fraser University (SFU) and Burnaby Mountain residents,” the letter reads.

“The environmental risks related to potential spills along the pipeline and increased tanker traffic on the coast include the devastation of nearby communities and wildlife.”

It also notes the route crosses delicate spaces, including the Lightning Rock burial site of the Sumas First Nation and the Coldwater Indian Band’s aquifer.

“Indigenous leaders in B.C. and all across Canada have been very vocal in opposition of the pipeline expansion, yet the Canadian government is violating the rights of the First Nations on whose stolen and unceded lands the pipeline is being built,” said SFSS president Osob Mohamed in a written statement.....

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Sri Lanka tanker fire: Blazing ship towed away from coast amid oil spill fears

An oil tanker that caught fire on Thursday is being towed away from the east coast of Sri Lanka amid fears of a spill.

The tanker, the MT New Diamond, is carrying nearly two million barrels - 270,000 tonnes - of crude oil.

There are fears of significant environmental damage if the vessel explodes, or if there's a spill.

Dharshani Lahandapura, the chair of Sri Lanka's Marine Environmental Protection Authority (MEPA), warned "it could be a huge environmental disaster for the whole world"....

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..from an email

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Next Monday, Trudeau’s cabinet will meet to lay out their plans for an economic recovery. We can only hope it will be good enough to get people and communities through the worst health and economic crises of our lifetime.

To be honest, it doesn’t bode well that with every passing day our government’s sinking billions upon billions of dollars into the TransMountain (TMX) pipeline.

We’re ramping up pressure to make sure they have their priorities straight. Here are all the details:

WHAT: Mass E-Rally & Petition Delivery
WHEN: Monday, September 14th 10am PT/ 1pm ET
WHERE: Online over Zoom
WHY: To ramp up pressure on Trudeau and Freeland by delivering thousands of signatures calling on them to Linkshow us the true cost of TMX.

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Weak oil demand forecasts leave economists wondering if Trans Mountain makes sense

Environment and Climate Change Minister Jonathan Wilkinson has talked about using the revenue from the Trans Mountain oil pipeline to pay for green energy projects. But what if that revenue never comes because there’s little demand for oil in the first place?

This week, three big names in the energy world all made bold predictions of a much-diminished future for oil. The large energy company BP shocked analysts when it said it expects oil demand to peak this decade, and never recover, even before factoring in government actions to cut carbon pollution.

Meanwhile, both the Paris-based International Energy Agency and the 13-nation oil export group OPEC slashed their oil demand forecasts, citing a weaker rebound from the COVID-19 economic slowdown than had been expected.

In an open letter to Wilkinson and other cabinet ministers that was published on Thursday, more than 100 Canadian economists and policy experts pointed to the flurry of recent oil market predictions, calling into question the economic viability of the government-owned oil pipeline and its contentious expansion project.

“For a long time, ‘peak oil’ was peak supply — we didn’t have enough oil. And now it’s peak demand, and the reason for that is climate change,” said Thomas Gunton, director of resource and environmental planning at Simon Fraser University, and a former B.C. deputy minister of environment, in an interview.

“It’s unprecedented, really, for one of the largest oil companies in the world to come out with a forecast as pessimistic as BP’s.”

Gunton and other signatories to the letter — including Canada research chairs Carolyn Fischer, Kyla Tienhaara and Nicholas Rivers, former World Bank adviser David Wheeler, and former BC Hydro CEO Marc Eliesen — also point out that, at the same time oil markets are weakening, the cost of the expansion project has climbed.

“We are concerned that the decline in world oil markets and the escalating construction costs have undermined the viability of TMX and put taxpayers’ money at risk,” reads the letter. “Your government has not provided an updated evaluation to justify this investment in light of these deteriorating conditions.”

The authors said they recognize that Albertans are suffering due to the drop in oil prices, and deserve support. But they urged the federal government to choose “more effective ways of directly assisting workers in the oil sector,” such as expanding a program to clean up orphaned and inactive oil and gas wells.

“Trans Mountain is still in its very early stages of development, and so it’s still an opportunity to do a re-evaluation,” said Gunton. “You (the federal government) have a basic obligation to provide a due diligence business case to the public to justify investment of taxpayer funds.”....

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UN Tells Canada to Stop Building the Trans Mountain Pipeline

First Nations folks have urged Canada to stop building the Trans Mountain Pipeline, which carries crude and refined oil from Alberta to British Columbia, for years. A new United Nations report is backing them up.

The UN Committee for the Elimination of Racial Discrimination (CERD) has ordered Canada to halt construction on the pipeline unless officials obtain informed consent from impacted Indigenous peoples, saying the projects would “cause irreparable harm to indigenous peoples rights, culture, lands, territories and way of life.” Fifty percent of the proposed route for the Trans Mountain Pipeline is on Secwepemc territory.

“We have un-ceded land, which means we have never signed treaties with the federal government,” Kanahus Manuel, one of the Indigenous activists who brought the human rights violations to the UN CERD’s attention, told Earther. “We’ve never signed our land away, we have rights to it ... so self-determination for our people must be respected.”

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The UN committee said Manuel’s arrest and detainment “alarmed” them, and that they were “disturbed by the forced removal, disproportionate use of force, harassment and intimidation by law enforcement officials against indigenous peoples who peacefully oppose large-scale development projects on their traditional territories.”

“We hope that the government will actually listen and respect international human rights and international human rights standards,” said Manuel, speaking from her tiny house on the pipeline’s planned route. “Hopefully this will give them a real slap in the face.”

The UN body also ordered Canada to cease work on the Site C hydroelectric dam and the Coastal GasLink pipeline, both in British Columbia, unless they obtain consent from Indigenous groups those projects would impact. The UN Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples, which Canada adopted in 2016 but has not incorporated into law, calls for “free, prior and informed consent” from First Nations communities in matters affecting them.

Alberta’s energy minister Sonya Savage said the UN has no business criticizing Canada’s energy megaprojects, which she says most First Nations groups support. “With all the injustice in the world, it’s beyond rich that the unelected, unaccountable United Nations would seemingly single out Canada—one of the greatest champions of human rights, democracy and the rule of law,” she said in a statement.

But the CERD report says Canada’s legal practices for obtaining consent from Indigenous communities don’t meet global human rights standards. “By UN standards, there is no consent for this pipeline [from the land’s] rightful titleholders,” said Manuel.

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Amnesty International has agreed to launch an investigation into the Trans Mountain Pipeline’s consequences for Indigenous communities, and activists will be calling on the UN’s special rapporteur on human rights to visit the site where Tiny House Warriors are blocking the pipeline’s expansion....

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Pondering

The UN body also ordered Canada to cease work on the Site C hydroelectric dam and the Coastal GasLink pipeline, both in British Columbia, unless they obtain consent from Indigenous groups those projects would impact. 

The Green Party opposes these projects.  Singh wants more indigenous consultation on Gaslink and the NDP supports Site C. 

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The UN body also ordered Canada to cease work on the Site C hydroelectric dam and the Coastal GasLink pipeline, both in British Columbia, unless they obtain consent from Indigenous groups those projects would impact. 

The Green Party opposes these projects.  Singh wants more indigenous consultation on Gaslink and the NDP supports Site C. 

..singh supports the pipeline. the wet'suwet'en said in a clear and loud voice..NO PIPELINE. what is there to talk about? and the green party propped up the bc ndp gov throughout their violations. 

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The UN body also ordered Canada to cease work on the Site C hydroelectric dam and the Coastal GasLink pipeline, both in British Columbia, unless they obtain consent from Indigenous groups those projects would impact. 

The Green Party opposes these projects.  Singh wants more indigenous consultation on Gaslink and the NDP supports Site C. 

..singh supports the pipeline. the wet'suwet'en said in a clear and loud voice..NO PIPELINE. what is there to talk about? and the green party propped up the bc ndp gov throughout their violations. 

I'm referring to the federal Green Party which opposes TMX. 

You are oddly condemning the Green Party for propping up the NDP, yet you support the federal NDP which is supportive of fossil fuel development. 

Even if indigenous peoples all supported the pipeline I would still be against it. I'm not so sure about you. Where does your alligence lie? 

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..my position remains the same pondering. fed green prov green it's all the same. what would have made things different was ecosocialism. an ecosocialism supported by the movements. a bottom up solution! 

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..my position remains the same pondering. fed green prov green it's all the same. what would have made things different was ecosocialism. an ecosocialism supported by the movements. a bottom up solution! 

The federal greens are 42% ecosocialist.  I have a much better shot at overthrowing Paul than you do overthrowing Singh. 

You condemn the provincial Greens for supporting the NDP, as if the Greens had the power to stop the project, yet you don't condemn the NDP who actually have the power to stop it. 

I think your first alligence is to indigenous peoples, second to the NDP and third to the environment. I would not speculate if you didn't do so first. Goose gander. 

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TMX is a federal project opposed by the federal NDP. Coastal Gas is the provincial pipeline that the BC NDP has subsidized and fast tracked. John Horgan is an arrogant, unscrupulous, back stabbing politician. Gord Johns MP is the most effective legislator in the House and has gotten much needed bills passed. EMay spent a lifetime being sanctimonious and devoid of real solutions to local environmental issues.

The federal NDP has always been about the MP's not the leader. People in BC elect federal NDP MP's despite the abysmal leadership not because any of the leaders in this century have excited us. We do send strong outspoken men and women to Ottawa because of our political history and culture, which is not the same as Ontario's or Quebec's or the Maritimes or the Prairies. I'll take a Libby Davis over an E.MAy any day.

One needs to understand that the BC NDP is very distinct from the federal wing, despite its joint membership rules

 

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..pondering

..you keep saying i support the ndp when that isn't so. i have been criticizing them since around 1973. and i've said so on this board several times.

..you keep offering top down solutions where the top is controlled by capital. that you refuse to acknowledge this lends to my belief your politics are liberal. and not ecosocialist. it's the movements that can engage capital at a grassroots level. stop them in their tracks. like what has been happening with tmx and lng.  eta: not to mention ending energy east and northern gateway pipelines. plus the current struggle to end the tarsands themselves.

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..pondering

..you keep saying i support the ndp when that isn't so. i have been criticizing them since around 1973. and i've said so on this board several times.

..you keep offering top down solutions where the top is controlled by capital. that you refuse to acknowledge this lends to my belief your politics are liberal. and not ecosocialist. it's the movements that can engage capital at a grassroots level. stop them in their tracks. like what has been happening with tmx and lng.  

I am promoting grassroots ecosocialists taking over the Green Party. 

Lascaris is the only politician I know of promoting 100% tax on income over 500 million a year.  That doesn't seem particularly capitalist to me. He is the only politician I know of that wants us to return to borrowing at 0% interest from the Bank of Canada. He is the only politician I know of that wants to quit the Lima group, Nato, 5-eyes and NORAD. 

I criticize the Liberals all the time yet you still feel free to label me a Liberal so I feel perfectly free to label you NDP based on your opposition to Lascaris. Or are you going to pretend you support him? 

I notice the environment isn't on the top of your list of alligences.  All this time you have been the mole. That's why you are projecting it on me. 

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..no your supporting a green party where lascaris is not leader. and his positions have no relevance unless something can be made of them. you talk about taking over the party like it was a matter of getting the votes. this is incredible lack of understanding of power. power of capital..the power of the cabal and it's relationship to capital. like that of the bc ndp cabal and it's relationship to oil and gas. your not addressing the bottom up solutions that are the antidote to that power. 

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..no your supporting a green party where lascaris is not leader. and his positions have no relevance unless something can be made of them. you talk about taking over the party like it was a matter of getting the votes. this is incredible lack of understanding of power. power of capital..the power of the cabal and it's relationship to capital. like that of the bc ndp cabal and it's relationship to oil and gas. your not addressing the bottom up solutions that are the antidote to that power. 

I have said over and over again to VOTE NDP if there is any chance they can win in the riding. Donate your money and efforts into the NDP if you want. 

It's 10$ to join the Green Party to be able to vote on policies. Just because Lascaris didn't win doesn't mean he has lost all influence over the party. 

https://bdscoalition.ca/2019/10/29/green-party-of-canada-seems-you-forgo...

The grassroots of the Greens are much farther left than May even if they arn't all the way to ecosocialist dominated YET. So go ahead sit on the sidelines but don't call me a Liberal when I am the one willing to keep fighting. It takes more than one battle to win a war. It is a matter of getting the votes. We will have to wait until the next confidence vote but if we sign up thousands of members there is no reason why we can't depose Paul.

The Green party accepts voters 16+ now. Young people are freaked out over climate change. I don't know how long before I get a chance to vote on anything. I imagine it will be a year+ before the leadership can be challenged. The Justice Greens still exist. 

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Idle No More co-founder Sylvia McAdam (Saysewahum) endorsed Dimitri on Oct. 2nd 

"I support Dimitri because he understands Canada's history of dispossessing Indigenous peoples and he has a clear platform that will help restructure Indigenous and non-Indigenous relationships based on truth and justice".

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..it's too early to say lascaris means change. you are basing it on hope. while there are movements in the midst of some of the most ferocious struggles for the environment..in the here and now. against some of the biggest and most powerful corporations in the world.

..the green party doesn't register in that struggle neither does the ndp. maybe sometime in the distant future they may achieve a few more seats in parliament. parliament that is dominated by trade deals, global economics and neoliberal politics. this is not where change will come from.   

An Ecosocialist Look At The Green Party Leadership Race

The push to elect an ecosocialist leader of the federal Green Party signals a growing understanding that capitalism is the root cause of climate change. This is an encouraging development, and we hope this initiative succeeds.

We know the struggle to build a post-capitalist world is a long term project, even though catastrophic harms caused by climate change are happening right now. Many people all over the world are committed to building a sustainable world for us all. For a project so massive in scope, effective strategy is essential.

Because of the critical stakes at play, we need to consider seriously what gains can be made by a federal Green Party with an ecosocialist at the helm.

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Even an ecosocialist Green Party holding office would still be a social democratic project – not socialism.

Social democracy and socialism are quite different things. It may seem like splitting hairs, but this is actually a crucial distinction to make. Trying to regulate capitalism is very different from breaking with capitalism and starting a transition towards an entirely different kind of society. Just calling the first project “ecosocialism” doesn’t change what it is.

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Mass Movements Matter Most

While electing ecosocialists can help advance the ecosocialist project, there is no path forward to an ecosocialist future through elections alone. If electoral approaches are to be part of a winning strategy, that strategy must treat mass grassroots movements as the key to changing society.

Mass movements are needed to wrest reforms from whichever party administers capitalism, hold elected radicals accountable, and ultimately break the power of capital. The Green Party, however, remains married to electoralism. Unfortunately, the left candidates for Green leader haven’t questioned that. They’re proposing better policies but not a different strategy for changing society.

The broad based movement around climate change has shown itself capable of drawing in people across ideological lines. 

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Yes there are movements and I have supported them. I'm feeling discouraged on TMX but I am still holding out hope that it and Keystone XL will be stopped. Unfortunately Russia and Saudi Arabia and other countries also have plenty of oil and there is no one to stop them. The only way will be pricing them out of the market by cheap green energy. It doesn't need to be an either or situation between movements and political parties. They are not mutually exclusive. 

I am absolutely placing my hope on Lascaris eventually leading the party but even while he isn't the leader he is still preparing the ground for the moment of awakening but he needs support for that to happen. 

By moment of awakening I am referring to the moment when enough of the war generation and older boomers have died off and a critical mass of younger voters become the majority coupled with ever more shocking disasters. 

If we are not ready for it with a party for people to vote for the far right could rise with the notion we have to join with the states to protect North America from the hoards of climate refugees. 

In fact the left has aready failed to take advantage of populist disastisfaction with current government failures. Instead the right gets all the support because all the left does is lecture people. I went to two Canadian socialist websites. Waste of time. It's all philosophy and academics and worker power. So great. Rah rah. Now what? Go on some small demonstrations and hope someone notices? Hand out pamphets?

Eventually movements need political power or they just stay fringe even if they manage to stop a pipeline or two. That is a really good thing and an impressive accomplishment against massive multinational companies but it won't save the planet. 

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Eventually movements need political power

..it's an assumption/speculation that political power will be positioned in current parliaments. there are zero parliaments in the world that are not dominated by global economic powers. also there are none that are democratic. it would be easier to create new structures than to overthrow those global powers. build a new world inside the old. 

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Eventually movements need political power

..it's an assumption/speculation that political power will be positioned in current parliaments. there are zero parliaments in the world that are not dominated by global economic powers. also there are none that are democratic. it would be easier to create new structures than to overthrow those global powers. build a new world inside the old. 

It's a lot easier to change a power structure when you are in control of it. A new structure will never grow powerful enough to replace the existing world order while the old exists. 

People still have the power of the vote. The problem is that we are not voting in self-interest, we only think we are. We are comfortable so we allow ourselves to be deceived. 

So far it is the far right that has the foresight to be prepared to take political advantage of of whatever happens. If we are not politically prepared to offer an alternative then far right politicians promising salvation will rise. 

Lascaris hasn't even won the leadership of the party so he won't be PM anytime soon.  He is still the first leader in my lifetime that I believe can change the world if he becomes PM.

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..your spouting nothing more than spin pondering. rhetorical bullshit. 

..the very reason we are in this thread, posting observations of environmental destruction, is because capital is out of control. capital controls governments through global mechanisms. there is no time to be tinkering with political party solutions that might or might not do something in the distant future. 

..the fight is in the here and now. and that fight has been taken on by movements led by indigenous folk in the hear and now. it is only by growing and supporting these movements now can there be a future. where is that conversation?

..one of the things that irks me about babble is the obsession with electoral politics. as if it's in the parliaments that this fight is taking place. and not in their own back yards.

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Getting back to discussion of stopping TMX...

Permanent protest camp established near Trans Mountain work site in Kamloops

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Secwépemc protesters have settled in for the long haul in a bid to stop the Trans Mountain pipeline expansion project from being completed in Kamloops.

On Saturday (Oct. 3), a group of about 20 people set up what they call a permanent camp along the shores of the Thompson River, off Mission Flats Road and near a pipeline worksite.

The encampment is located in the same area where a Secwépemc man held a vision quest and fast in protest of the pipeline at the end of August.

Miranda Dick, a spokesperson for the camp, told KTW the sole goal of the encampment is to stop the pipeline twinning project.

Asked what protesters are prepared to do to achieve that, Dick replied: “Everything.”

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..your spouting nothing more than spin pondering. rhetorical bullshit. 

..the very reason we are in this thread, posting observations of environmental destruction, is because capital is out of control. capital controls governments through global mechanisms. there is no time to be tinkering with political party solutions that might or might not do something in the distant future. 

..the fight is in the here and now. and that fight has been taken on by movements led by indigenous folk in the hear and now. it is only by growing and supporting these movements now can there be a future. where is that conversation?

..one of the things that irks me about babble is the obsession with electoral politics. as if it's in the parliaments that this fight is taking place. and not in their own back yards.

 Working to take over government takes nothing away from people taking a different approach. People aren't just demonstrating. They are also appealing to the courts and international institutions. 

I don't see what you are so upset about. I haven't attacked any movements even though you seem to think that I have. 

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Pondering wrote:

epaulo13 wrote:

..your spouting nothing more than spin pondering. rhetorical bullshit. 

..the very reason we are in this thread, posting observations of environmental destruction, is because capital is out of control. capital controls governments through global mechanisms. there is no time to be tinkering with political party solutions that might or might not do something in the distant future. 

..the fight is in the here and now. and that fight has been taken on by movements led by indigenous folk in the hear and now. it is only by growing and supporting these movements now can there be a future. where is that conversation?

..one of the things that irks me about babble is the obsession with electoral politics. as if it's in the parliaments that this fight is taking place. and not in their own back yards.

 Working to take over government takes nothing away from people taking a different approach. People aren't just demonstrating. They are also appealing to the courts and international institutions. 

I don't see what you are so upset about. I haven't attacked any movements even though you seem to think that I have. 

Hard to imagine where he got that idea.

In fact the left has aready failed to take advantage of populist disastisfaction with current government failures. Instead the right gets all the support because all the left does is lecture people. I went to two Canadian socialist websites. Waste of time. It's all philosophy and academics and worker power. So great. Rah rah. Now what? Go on some small demonstrations and hope someone notices? Hand out pamphets?

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Once again getting back to the struggle to stop TMX (hint: arguments in this thread on other subjects are a distraction):

Got the following message via the Vancouver Ecosocialist Group:

Hello this is a message from the Secwepemc People.

 Zoom meeting Tuesday Oct. 6th 4pm

The Secwepemc people under the direction of the Elders have erected a Fire and are occupying the land on Mission Flats Beach along the proposed TMX pipeline route. 

Miranda Dick of the Woman's Sacred Fire Council, on behalf of the Secwepemc peoples, is overseeing the Fire with the support of campers.

The Secwepemc people are asking for NGO support in calling people to the land. At this stage it is critical that we have people who are self sufficient and can provide useful skills to support capacity building at the camp. 

Please join us for a call with Miranda Dick to hear directly from the front line on how you can support Indigenous land defense against TMX. 

Zoom link 

Topic: Meeting to support Secwepemc People

Time: Oct 6, 2020 04:00 PM Vancouver

Join Zoom Meeting

https://us02web.zoom.us/j/83864378315?pwd=YnAreSs4bjkyTldLNURSZElUSXd4dz09

Meeting ID: 838 6437 8315
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Here's my basic notes from today's Zoom meeting to support the Secwepemc camp up around Kamloops in the path of TMX.

They hope to have a website up in the next couple of days with more clarity on the asks:

They need:
People to go help out at camp
People with vehicles who can go into town to get stuff
People who know how to do video, media/social media
GIS/Mapping support (Pete Mccartney from Wilderness Committee says they have a full-tim mapper who can help with this).
Legal defense (not too clear on this)
Monetary Donations
Large Canvas Tent
Non-Perishable Food

Other things:

They have a email at [email protected]. This is how they prefer that people contact them.

They want everything to be Secwempec led. Don't want ENGOs taking money for this.

Confrontation could happen any time. Sense of urgency is now.

1 Secwepemc person got previously arrested re: TMX – going to court sometime in November

Pondering

kropotkin1951 wrote:

Hard to imagine where he got that idea.

In fact the left has aready failed to take advantage of populist disastisfaction with current government failures. Instead the right gets all the support because all the left does is lecture people. I went to two Canadian socialist websites. Waste of time. It's all philosophy and academics and worker power. So great. Rah rah. Now what? Go on some small demonstrations and hope someone notices? Hand out pamphets?

That doesn't mean I am against the movement particularly in the context of the comment/thread which was praising Lascaris for being able to reach people. It isn't the movement I am against it is the inability or disinterest to speak to people who are not academics.  Maybe the sites are intended to reach out to other activists not regular people. This is how the right gets away with calling leftists elitist. 

Concerning the hereditary chiefs they made a secret deal with the provincial and federal governments. Because of the objections, which I supported, they changed their tune.

https://globalnews.ca/news/6605872/wetsuweten-meeting-matriarchs/

After years spent fighting for their voices to be heard in the Coastal GasLink pipeline dispute, Wet’suwet’en matriarchs and chiefs both for and against the project got to sit down with hereditary chiefs and government ministers at Thursday’s historic meeting.

The women gained their seats after complaining earlier that they were being locked out of the discussions, with the anger among both sides turning towards each other outside the meeting hall.

So yes, when they were being secretive and wouldn't let other stakeholders, particular matriarchs, in on the meetings or deals they were making. Yes, I questioned their motives because it looked like a power grab. 

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BREAKING NEWS:

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Posted @withregram@r.i.s.e.2020 Five members of the Secwepemc Nation Sacred Fire site were arrested today as TMX Pipeline corporation prepares to pull pipeline through the drill site under the Thompson River. Those arrested include Secwepemc Hereditary Chief and Elder, his daughter, a former TMX pipeline engineer and two other Secwepemc women. All those present today at our sacred fire and at the TMX Pipeline drill site were present in ceremony under the jurisdiction of Secwepemc Law and  under the authority of Secwepemc Hereditary leadership, Elders Councils,  Sacred Woman’s Fire Council, and the Secwepemc. 

Among those arrested include Hereditary Chief Segwses, Loralie Dick, April Thomas, Billie Pierre, and ex-TMX engineer, Romilly Cavanaugh.

Along with the direct action today, the Secwepemc delivered a Cease and Desist letter to TMX Pipeline corporation for the second time. The Secwepemc people did so under the direction of the Elder’s Council stating the land has never been ceded or surrendered and no consent has ever been given for the colonial government or the Trans Mountain Pipeline to enact the violent authority and jurisdiction they claim on Secwepemculecw. 

We stand for clean water, wild salmon and for our future generations.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CGZHkmZBB-O/

 

NDPP

Canada's ecocide and genocide in action and underway. What will Canadians say/do about it?

Pipeline Resistance Escalates in Kamloops

https://twitter.com/KanahusFreedom/status/1316997027465633792

 

Where is Jagmeet Singh?

https://youtu.be/CvXhyM29Wbw

Collaborating with the regime.

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5 arrested after standing in way of Trans Mountain pipeline construction in B.C. Interior

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Five people including a Secwepemc hereditary chief and his daughter have been arrested after standing against construction of the Trans Mountain pipeline expansion project on Secwepemc territory in Kamloops, B.C.

A statement from the Sacred Woman's Fire Council said the group was arrested near a work site on Mission Flats Road on Thursday as pipeline crews prepared to drill underneath the Thompson River.

Those arrested include Hereditary Chief Segwses, Loralie Dick, April Thomas, Billie Pierre and Romilly Cavanaugh, the latter of whom is a former engineer for the Trans Mountain pipieline.

"Along with the direct action ... the Secwepemc delivered a Cease and Desist letter to TMX Pipeline corporation for the second time. The Secwepemc people did so under the direction of the Elder's Council stating the land has never been ceded or surrendered and no consent has ever been given for the colonial government or the Trans Mountain pipeline to enact the violent authority and jurisdiction they claim on Secwepemculecw," read the council's statement.

"We stand for clean water, wild salmon and for our future generations."

The project is tripling the capacity of the existing pipeline from the Edmonton area to the Westridge Marine Terminal in Burnaby, B.C. The portion of the pipeline in the B.C. Interior is being expanded from Kamloops to the summit of the Coquihalla Highway.

Crews are drilling under the Thompson River to pull the pipe through to the other side as part of the regional pipeline expansion. Work in Kamloops began in June.

NDPP

Time for all those who profess to recognize the critical importance of defeating this ecocidal pipeline project to put their money where their mouths are and stand with/support those on the TMX frontline.

#NoTreatyNoJurisdiction  #EcocideAsGenocide #StopTMX

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Peace Brigades International: Canada

https://twitter.com/PBIcanada/status/1322545670524383235

"The Crown corporation that owns the Trans Mountain pipeline is taking questions until Nov. 3 for its annual meeting. Help ask if it will respect the UN call that the building of the pipeline should stop and the RCMP be withdrawn from Secwepemc territory..." Please sign @ link.

 

New Report Questions Trans Mountain Expansion's 'Asian Markets'

https://twitter.com/dimitrilascaris/status/1322526352105476097

"A new CCPA study challenges the claim that the planet-wrecking Trans Mountain project would allow Canada to fetch a fair price for its oil. The study finds Canadian producers would lose $4-$6 per barrel if they sold to Asian refineries through TMX."

Ecocidal madness at bargain-basement prices.

NDPP

Shocking Scenes from Canada...(and vid)

https://twitter.com/TajinderBaqqa/status/1334364729729380353

This must still be stopped. We are many, they are few...

NDPP

Transmountain expansion resumes after long shutdown

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trans-mountain-tmx-pipeline-1.5905797

"The TransMountain pipeline expansion project announced today it's restarting work after a two-month shutdown following several safety lapses. A former executive vice president with Trans Canada, now called TC Energy, said Canadian taxpayers should expect the recent safety issues will delay the project and increase costs..."

 

Ratings agency S&P warns 13 oil and gas companies they risk downgrades as renewables pick up steam

https://twitter.com/KanahusFreedom/status/1357532840443990016

An expensive, destructive, and  depreciating, lemon of an 'asset' that must be stopped.

NDPP

To Meet Our Emissions Target Canada Must Phase Out Oil Production

https://buff.ly/3vrDwLq

"Canada has by far the worst G7 climate record and will remain the laggard until we start a managed phase-out of the oilsands. Prime Minister Justin Trudeau knows they are the elephant in the room..."

Stop TMX! Kill the Tarsands!

[email protected]

NDPP

Canada Approves Trans Mountain's Request to Keep Insurers' Identities a Secret

https://twitter.com/standearth/status/1387817874094530560

"Canada Energy Regulator approves Trans Mountain's request to keep insurers' identities secret. Coalition denounces decision, pledges to ramp up pressure on remaining insurers to cut ties with TMX."

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