BC NDP Premier John Horgan has blossomed, is the real deal, and is continually showing constructive leadership skills

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kropotkin1951

Indeed, "votes over principles" should be in the BC NDP logo.

swallow swallow's picture

"Reconciliation is hard work. It does not begin or end with a single decision, event or moment. No single one of us decides what reconciliation can or should look like. It is a shared journey we are on together."

"We know that this work isn't easy. If we're going to achieve it, we have to stay committed to this process, keep engaging with one another and find common ground."

Statement by Justin Trudeau, delivered through the mouth of his clone John Horgan. https://www.kamloopsmatters.com/local-news/bc-premier-john-horgans-statement-on-coastal-gaslink-protests-2086822

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"I respect everyone’s right to lawful protest but when you’re interfering with the operation of the economy at the ports and through the city here in the Lower Mainland I think that becomes a challenge."

https://www.citynews1130.com/2020/02/10/b-c-premier-federal-justice-minister-address-growing-protests-in-support-of-wetsuweten/

John Horgan prioritizes smooth running of the economy over right to protest. 

Time to abolish the NDP maybe.

bekayne

swallow wrote:

John Horgan prioritizes smooth running of the economy over right to protest. 

Can you name an elected politician that doesn't?

kropotkin1951

bekayne wrote:

swallow wrote:

John Horgan prioritizes smooth running of the economy over right to protest. 

Can you name an elected politician that doesn't?

The real truth is that if Horgan had run on a platform that included building Site C and expanding LNG with a subsidized pipeline they would not be the government. The BC Liberals would have won the election hands down with the Greens maybe holding a real balance of power.

He has no moral authority to spend this kind of social capital on our behalf because he did not campaign on it. The really sad and disgusting part is that if they had lost the election to a slim BC Lib majority all these fucking BC NDP assholes would be on the streets with the protestors.

bekayne

kropotkin1951 wrote:

bekayne wrote:

swallow wrote:

John Horgan prioritizes smooth running of the economy over right to protest. 

Can you name an elected politician that doesn't?

The real truth is that if Horgan had run on a platform that included building Site C and expanding LNG with a subsidized pipeline they would not be the government. The BC Liberals would have won the election hands down with the Greens maybe holding a real balance of power.

He has no moral authority to spend this kind of social capital on our behalf because he did not campaign on it. The really sad and disgusting part is that if they had lost the election to a slim BC Lib majority all these fucking BC NDP assholes would be on the streets with the protestors.

On the other hand, the "business-friendly NDP" schtick helped with some voters.

Aristotleded24

bekayne wrote:
kropotkin1951 wrote:

bekayne wrote:

swallow wrote:

John Horgan prioritizes smooth running of the economy over right to protest. 

Can you name an elected politician that doesn't?

The real truth is that if Horgan had run on a platform that included building Site C and expanding LNG with a subsidized pipeline they would not be the government. The BC Liberals would have won the election hands down with the Greens maybe holding a real balance of power.

He has no moral authority to spend this kind of social capital on our behalf because he did not campaign on it. The really sad and disgusting part is that if they had lost the election to a slim BC Lib majority all these fucking BC NDP assholes would be on the streets with the protestors.

On the other hand, the "business-friendly NDP" schtick helped with some voters.

Which is why the business-friendly approach won Carole James many elections against the BC Liberals, while after the modest left turn under Horgan the NDP got crushed.

kropotkin1951

Aristotleded24 wrote:

bekayne wrote:
kropotkin1951 wrote:

bekayne wrote:

swallow wrote:

John Horgan prioritizes smooth running of the economy over right to protest. 

Can you name an elected politician that doesn't?

The real truth is that if Horgan had run on a platform that included building Site C and expanding LNG with a subsidized pipeline they would not be the government. The BC Liberals would have won the election hands down with the Greens maybe holding a real balance of power.

He has no moral authority to spend this kind of social capital on our behalf because he did not campaign on it. The really sad and disgusting part is that if they had lost the election to a slim BC Lib majority all these fucking BC NDP assholes would be on the streets with the protestors.

On the other hand, the "business-friendly NDP" schtick helped with some voters.

Which is why the business-friendly approach won Carole James many elections against the BC Liberals, while after the modest left turn under Horgan the NDP got crushed.

I live in a Vancouver Island riding. The NDP did very well here and it was not because anyone wanted a BC Liberal lite party in power. My FB is full of older disgusted left wing activists who have not only voted but worked and donated to the BC NDP in the past. Horgan's demeaning putdown of the young activists has guaranteed his party will not do well with the youth on the left so they better win over the middle classes. The cabal that runs the party is gambling it can get some former BC Liberals to switch to them and that their own voters will hold their noses and vote the lesser of evils.

 

bekayne

Here's the 2017 NDP platform:

https://action.bcndp.ca/page/-/bcndp/docs/BC-NDP-Platform-2017.pdf

Christy Clark made her entire 2013 election campaign about LNG. Four years later, Christy Clark and the BC Liberals haven’t delivered a single major LNG project, and they allowed BC to be steamrolled in negotiations with big LNG companies. No LNG plants, no LNG jobs, no revenue to pay down debt, and bad deals that last decades into the future: that’s the Christy Clark legacy on LNG. This despite Christy Clark’s insistence that several LNG plants would be up and running by now. The ground hasn’t been broken on one project. Even if a plant were to open, the desperate BC Liberals signed sweetheart deals with LNG proponents that leave British Columbians without any real benefits. Unlike LNG agreements in Australia, Christy Clark’s bad deals make no mention of job guarantees for local British Columbians. Nor do they address the need to work respectfully with First Nations, or to meet our climate change commitments. While LNG can still represent a significant opportunity for BC, it won’t under Christy Clark. To ensure BC benefits, we will require LNG projects meet four conditions:

› Projects must offer jobs and training for British Columbians, especially jobs for local people.

› The people of BC must get a fair return for our resources.

› Projects must secure full partnerships with local First Nations. 

Projects must complete a made-in-BC environmental assessment, and achieve the highest environmental standards while respecting our commitments to combating climate change.

kropotkin1951

1  "Projects must offer jobs and training for British Columbians, especially jobs for local people."

There are some locals who will be hired however the jobs will not be in local communities but in construction camps with the same workforce moving with the camps. When the pipeline is built there will be no jobs along the pipeline route.

2  "The people of BC must get a fair return for our resources."

The numbers do not add up according to many economists and oil and gas anayists and we are currently under taxing the fracking industry and claiming we will tax them more in the future. How stupid to they think we are?

https://www.policyalternatives.ca/newsroom/news-releases/petronas-lng-ca...

3  "Projects must secure full partnerships with local First Nations."

I can see the loophole easily now. They have gotten consent of Indian Act First Nations and refused to deal with the chiefs who the SCC has ruled hold the ancestral rights to the territories not covered by the Indian Act. I apologize for being naive and believing that my MLA Scott Fraser was sincere about UNDRIP and indigenous rights since he personally was very vocal during the campaign about reconciliation.

3.  Projects must complete a made-in-BC environmental assessment, and achieve the highest environmental standards while respecting our commitments to combating climate change.

I can only read this statement and weep. We are combatting climate change by fracking and exporting LNG.

 

Left Turn Left Turn's picture

2017 BC NDP Platform wrote:

To ensure BC benefits, we will require LNG projects meet four conditions:

...

> Projects must secure full partnerships with local First Nations.

Because the Coastal Gaslink Pipeline route goes through unceded indigenous territories, the project would have to secure the full partnership of the Wet'Suwet'en hereditary chiefs in order to meet this condition. The Indian Act band councils that signed benefit agreements in support of the pipeline, only have juristiction over their Indian Act reserve territory.

So either John Horgan really doesn't understand how rights and title works when it comes to unceded indigenous territory, or he doesn't care. Ragardless, approving Coastal Gaslink was NOT in keeping with the conditions that the BC NDP put in their 2017 platform for LGN project approval. Assuming that those conditions were intended to be meaningful in the first place.

epaulo13 epaulo13's picture

..lets not forget that the bc ndp has been captured by the energy sector as was the alta ndp.

kropotkin1951

This is my biggest hope for some sanity to prevail. In a capitalist system the Invisible Hand should be slapping down this project.

The longer this LNG Canada project and the Coastal GasLink pipeline are dragged out, the more it's going to cost these companies. 

Given the state of international energy markets, who knows whether they will be able to afford to stay in the game until the very end. Unlike governments that are financing the Site C and Trans Mountain projects, the LNG Canada and Coastal GasLink backers have to answer to shareholders.

https://www.straight.com/news/1358561/flurry-pro-pipeline-indigenous-voi...

ETA This is the reason the Enron con men in Kinder Morgan cut and ran and sold out to a sucker before the true costs showed up on the balance sheet.

Aristotleded24

bekayne wrote:
Here's the 2017 NDP platform:

https://action.bcndp.ca/page/-/bcndp/docs/BC-NDP-Platform-2017.pdf

Christy Clark made her entire 2013 election campaign about LNG. Four years later, Christy Clark and the BC Liberals haven’t delivered a single major LNG project, and they allowed BC to be steamrolled in negotiations with big LNG companies. No LNG plants, no LNG jobs, no revenue to pay down debt, and bad deals that last decades into the future: that’s the Christy Clark legacy on LNG. This despite Christy Clark’s insistence that several LNG plants would be up and running by now. The ground hasn’t been broken on one project. Even if a plant were to open, the desperate BC Liberals signed sweetheart deals with LNG proponents that leave British Columbians without any real benefits. Unlike LNG agreements in Australia, Christy Clark’s bad deals make no mention of job guarantees for local British Columbians. Nor do they address the need to work respectfully with First Nations, or to meet our climate change commitments. While LNG can still represent a significant opportunity for BC, it won’t under Christy Clark. To ensure BC benefits, we will require LNG projects meet four conditions:

› Projects must offer jobs and training for British Columbians, especially jobs for local people.

› The people of BC must get a fair return for our resources.

› Projects must secure full partnerships with local First Nations. 

Projects must complete a made-in-BC environmental assessment, and achieve the highest environmental standards while respecting our commitments to combating climate change.

There's the fatal premise in the platform right there. They assumed that there was a way to do LNG correctly. The fact is that putting large amounts of government subsidies into extraction process like LNG is a house of cards that carries big risks. That's the big reason that the Liberals had problems moving this project off the ground.

Make no mistake about it. I do hope Horgan prevails in the next election. I think they have done great things on health care, education, and taking baby steps to rein in the speculation that has made housing so unaffordable. But pushing ahead on LNG was always going to be risky. Remember how the Greens were always saying that they were the only party seriously questioning the need for massive extraction projects? This validates that critique. They have a clear case to make to Green-minded voters that more Greens are necessary. If that is your main issue and enough votes move from the NDP to the Greens to hand the Liberals the seat, why does that matter? You're still going to see the policies you don't like from the main parties, you might as well vote Green to send a message. Furthermore, there is also the forestry crisis. It's true that the NDP were handed a bad situation, but it is one they have barely been able to grapple with. From 2009 onwards, the NDP has been losing seats in the Interior. Their failure on this issue is not going to help win back thsoe areas.

There were way better to use the money spent on LNG than on that project. Heck, the BC NDP announced changes to ICBC in order to deflect from the tensions caused by their LNG approach? Why not simply use the funds that propped up LNG to deal with the ICBC problem?

NorthReport

What's nice about our current John Horgan lead BC NDP Government is that there has not been one scandal at least so far, since they got elected. Contrast that with their scandal ridden Christy Clark lead Liberal predecessors, eh!

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There is a huge scandal as they support a resources megaproject over Indigenous peoples, human rights and the environment.

NDPP

In Brutish Columbia that is simply 'business as usual'. Only if/when that is interrupted does it become a 'scandal.' I begin to grow a bit weary of the 'lesser evilism' used to justify voting for their more effective evil too many times since  this 'party of the working class, led by the middle class, in the interest of the ruling class,' rose to power by promising then selling out supposedly well meaning progressives. I  witnessed them close-up during Gustafsen Lake, their promotion of the BC 'Trick or Treaty' Commission, and now their present resource boondoggles and the Wetsuweten crisis. They are immoral, unethical and no friends of Indigenous or their rights and therefore no friends of mine either. Horgan is a thug for big business. Good riddance to bad rubbish and the sooner the better.

Aristotleded24

NorthReport wrote:
What's nice about our current John Horgan lead BC NDP Government is that there has not been one scandal at least so far, since they got elected. Contrast that with their scandal ridden Christy Clark lead Liberal predecessors, eh!

Not quite:

Quote:

MLA Jinny Sims has resigned from cabinet following the appointment of a special prosecutor, B.C.'s premier announced Friday.

Sims is the subject of an RCMP investigation and has left her post as the minister of citizens' services, according to a statement from Premier John Horgan. 

"I accepted her resignation as appropriate under the circumstances. We take any such investigation very seriously," Horgan said.

"While we await the conclusion of the matter, I have asked Minister Selina Robinson to temporarily assume responsibility as minister of citizens' services."

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NDPP wrote:

In Brutish Columbia that is simply 'business as usual'. Only if/when that is interrupted does it become a 'scandal.' I begin to grow a bit weary of the 'lesser evilism' used to justify voting for their more effective evil too many times since  this 'party of the working class, led by the middle class, in the interest of the ruling class,' rose to power by promising then selling out supposedly well meaning progressives. I  witnessed them close-up during Gustafsen Lake, their promotion of the BC 'Trick or Treaty' Commission, and now their present resource boondoggles and the Wetsuweten crisis. They are immoral, unethical and no friends of Indigenous or their rights and therefore no friends of mine either. Horgan is a thug for big business. Good riddance to bad rubbish and the sooner the better.

Entirely agreed.

NorthReport

Nice smear Ari

It is the honourable thing to do when you are accused of something however the last I heard the investigation is ongoing and I thought you were considered innocent until proven guilty in Canada Silly me

No wonder the left rarely elects governments

NorthReport

We are so fortunate to have a progressive government in BC led by John Horgan who is raising taxes on the one percenters, eh!

kropotkin1951

I have not seen any proof that any BC NDP insiders are making a single dollar off the LNG industry. They are obviously doing it because of their "left wing ideology."

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NorthReport wrote:

Premier John Horgan issues statement at start of Black History Month

 

by Staff on February 1st, 2020 at 10:15 AM

  • Former B.C. MLA Rosemary Brown nearly won the NDP federal leadership in 1975. After her death in 2003, she was commemorated posthumously on a Canadian stamp.

  • Former B.C. MLA Rosemary Brown nearly won the NDP federal leadership in 1975. After her death in 2003, she was commemorated posthumously on a Canadian stamp.
  • “Today we begin Black History Month, a time to honour and celebrate the stories, experiences and accomplishments of Black Canadians here in British Columbia and across the country.  

    “Black history is foundational to our province’s history.

     

https://www.straight.com/news/1354601/premier-john-horgan-issues-statement-start-black-history-month

Maximum respect to the memory of Rosemary Brown.

SO much would be better if Rosemary Brown had won the NDP leadership in 1975, or if, at the very least, Dave Barrett hadn't talked her out of standing for a federal seat to run again in her provincial riding in the election he went on to blow in 1979.  No disrespect meant to Ed Broadbent-Ed was competent as leader, but his failure to even consider thinking in visionary or transformative terms and his conscious decision not to let the party run an anti-NAFTA campaign in the 1988 election-a foolish decision, since nobody who backed NAFTA was even going to consider voting NDP that year-destroyed any chance of a federal NDP breakthrough for almost a quarter of a century, and may have contributed to the creation of the conditions which led to the party's electoral near-death experience in the 1990s.  Had Rosemary been federal leader, most of not all of the party's problems in the Eighties and Nineties would have been avoided.

The BCNDP needs a Rosemary Brown today.  Nobody believes they will find anyone remotely like that. 

If Horgan ends up playing an active role in forcing the pipeline through unceded Wet'suwet'en lands, he will have forever destroyed the BCNDP as an antiracist party and a party of any form of progressive change.  There will no longer be any reason for that party to continue to exist, other than to contest for power for the sake of contesting for power.  It will be officially soulless.

 

JKR

The greatest reason for the BC NDP's existence is the existence of the BC Liberals. BC NDP Premier John Horgan's greatest strength is the spectre of future BC Liberal Premier Andrew Wilkinson. The return of B.C Liberals to government here would be a great setback to the working class in BC. Like it or not, the BC NDP is greatly preferable over the BC Liberals.

NorthReport

Ken

Your comments about BC politics are about as accurate as your absurd comments about UK politics but very typical of many lefties who don't have a clue about winning elections. Please spare us your nonsensical purity tests.

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