So which LNG plants will be going ahead and in what order in BC?

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LNG shocker: Squamish rejects pipeline builder’s drilling permit

In a surprising show of municipal political power – even in a region that has demonstrated strong misgivings regarding proposed LNG development – Squamish council has rejected Fortis BC’s controversial permit application for test drilling in a Wildlife Management Area.

The vote came at Tuesday night’s council meeting, which revisited an earlier discussion regarding Fortis’ planned pipeline expansion to feed the Woodfibre LNG plant near Squamish, proposed by Indonesian billionaire Sukanto Tanoto.

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Banner dropped at International LNG in BC conference, May 21, 2013, by members of Rising Tide.


Fracking and consumerism

Asking the tough questions of LNG


Oil-price crash means Clark’s LNG vision remains a fairy tale 

Premier ‘backpedalling’ on prosperity promise as B.C. incomes lag, NDP says

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Luutkudziiwus LNG Blockade Event in Victoria

Government and TransCanada have not consulted with and show a distinct lack of respect for Luutkudziiwus members and our Hereditary Chiefs.

Our Wilp (House) consists of three ranking Hereditary Chiefs: Luutkudziiwus (Charlie Wright), Xsimjiitsiin (Lester Moore) & Noola (Norman Moore).

Luutkudziiwus House have been oppressed under the Gitxsan Treaty Society system that was created to “represent the Gitxsan” and which is the entity that Government and industry officials consult with. Gordon Sebastian, Anuthembuhn, is misrepresenting himself as Luutkudziiwus and is communicating as such with Government and TransCanada. It is unknown what or how many “deals” he is making with Prince Rupert Gas Transmission, BC Environmental Assessment Office, and Gitxsan Development Corp. Gordon does not communicate with Luutkudziiwus leaders and members and as a result, any decisions by Gordon are considered misrepresentation and invalid.

Canada and BC assert ownership to Luutkudziiwus territory; however to date, they have not provided evidence showing how or when they acquired ownership. Luutkudziiwus have never been conquered, or relinquished, or surrendered our title and rights to the lands and resources within Madii Lii territory. We continue to occupy and use the lands and resources and to exercise existing title and rights within the territory. Luutkudziiwus have an inherent right to govern themselves and our territory according to our own laws, customs, and traditions. This was affirmed in the Supreme Court of Canada Delgamuukw decision....

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Wet’suwet’en Hereditary Chiefs put BC and Canada on Notice Regarding Proper Rights and Title Holder Jurisdiction over Wet’suwet’en Lands

WET’SUWET’EN TERRITORY: Smithers, BC - The Wet’suwet’en Dinï ze’and Ts’ake’ze’ (male and female hereditary chiefs) have written to British Columbia (BC) and Canada in response to natural gas pipeline agreements that BC has entered into with Indian Act Band Councils within the Wet’suwet’en Yintah (traditional territory) to put the monnotice regarding our proper rights and title holder jurisdiction over Wet’suwet’en lands....

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FRACK OFF LNG TOUR - Secwepemc Territory

Science World BC LNG tour visits Kamloops, unceded Secwepemc Territory and is crashed. Through this tour the BC government and LNG are targeting school age children to work in and support the liquefied natural gas industry through science and technology shows. 'Unfortunately' their show was interrupted with the truth. Watch video to see…

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B.C. LNG sponsorship inappropriate at All Native Basketball Tournament, team says

The captain of a team playing at the All Native Basketball Tournament in Prince Rupert says he's disappointed event organizers accepted sponsorship money from oil and gas industries.

This year's tournament is sponsored by a dozen companies and organizations, half of them related to the energy sector.

Jason Alsop, the captain of the Skidegate Saints, says last month he sent a letter to the tournament committee to voice his team's opposition.

"I'm opposed to frac gas. I don't think there's anything natural about it," said Alsop. "I'm all in favour of sustainable economies, but I think we have to look at alternative energy sources and grow in a way that's First Nations led."

"We want to give ourselves a chance to grow and heal in our communities before these projects are rammed down our throats."....


Don't worry Harper will ensure the LNG industry proceeds in spite of Clark's screwups


How will he do that, NR?

(Never mind that your comment has nothing to do with the article I just posted.)


check the news today jas as Harper said he was going to offer tax breaks to the LNG industry
The BC government are bit players in this and will what they are told by Ottawa


Here's how the taxpayer makes corporate LNG profitable.


A federal government tax break to the liquefied natural gas industry announced Thursday was extolled by industry and Premier Christy Clark as making B.C. more competitive globally.

The federal tax break will last until 2024, Prime Minister Stephen Harper announced at a news conference in Surrey.

The break will save the industry a total of about $50 million over five years starting in 2015-16, but savings are expected to increase in later years if the industry grows as expected, said a federal government spokesperson.

Clark quickly thanked Harper for listening to the plea from the B.C. industry, which is still at the proposal stage.

Clark told reporters that B.C. already has a cost system competitive with Australia, but it must be competitive with U.S. jurisdictions, including the West Coast and the South. Australia is already a world-leading LNG exporter, while the U.S., like Canada, is trying to create a new LNG industry to export its vast supplies of gas to energy-hungry Asia. ...

The Canadian Association of Petroleum Producers (CAPP) has said it will allow companies to write off 90 per cent of their investments in seven years, rather than 27 years. ...

The federal government will establish a capital cost allowance rate of 30 per cent for equipment used in liquefying natural gas, and 10 per cent for buildings at LNG facilities. That measure will provide tax relief for capital assets acquired from Friday until the end of 2024. ...

The industry had been pushing since the fall of 2012 to get tax relief from Ottawa to give the industry a kickstart.

The federal capital cost allowance program (CCA) lets companies deduct a portion of the cost of certain equipment purchases immediately, and for the LNG industry the rate had been set at eight per cent.

The increase to 30 per cent, which will put more money back into the companies investing in the industry, will apply to equipment such as compressors, pumps storage tanks, pipelines “used exclusively” to transport LNG from the facility, according to the news release. ...

Last year, B.C. also cut a planned income tax on LNG plants in half to 3.5 per cent.







But the jobs! jobs! jobs!


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Yet another industry expert talking smack about BC LNG. Will no one listen to Centrist and KenS?!? Sheesh!

Tanking Asia Gas Prices Makes BC LNG 'Not Viable,' Expert Says

Now I can give a certain date for sanctioning of the first major LNG facility in BC. On or before June 30, 2015, Petronas will finally give the go ahead for its proposed $36 billion project (LNG facility, pipeline and upstream fields).

Petronas CEO has basically all but confirmed same when he "alluded" to positive FID in tomorrow's Malaysian Star newspaper. Other sourced information confirms that as well.



Not much.    Humm.....

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Whatever he said, it was a while ago.

The Petronas led bid has the leg up to be first, pretty much since they got in the game.

Oh boy.

What else is new? 

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PETROLIAM Nasional Bhd (Petronas) will make a final investment decision (FID) on a project to build a multi-billion-ringgit liquefied natural gas (LNG) export terminal in British Columbia, Canada, by June this year.

However, president and chief executive officer Tan Sri Shamsul Azhar Abbas has alluded that the national oil company would pursue the development as it has received what it wanted from the Government and was waiting for further approvals.

“The issues outstanding with the local provincial government and the Canadian government have been resolved. The capital allowance will be given, which will further improve the economics of the project,” he said yesterday.

Shamsul said that the FID was in June because the Environmental Impact Assessment report would only be out in April.

“We have until June to make a decision. There is no hurry,” he said.

He also dismissed speculation that Petronas was considering walking out of the project because of the economics....


Wagers, anyone? I'm in a bettin' mood... Wink


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Wagers, anyone? I'm in a bettin' mood... Wink

Yep! Was also recently informed by one of the BC Building and Construction Trades Union heads that they have been approached to both access AB laid-off trades in Fort Mac and to "perhaps sharpen their pencils" to assist in the re-bidding process. Also somewhat corroborated in the story. Not too hard to figure out what is going on. 


I'm well aware, Centrist, as I live in northern BC, and can see what's happening on the ground. I still would wager that no LNG plant gets built. The economics of it are too stupid.

That doesn't mean pipelines aren't going to get built. And that's what's even more worrisome. to me.


LNG exports from Canada a distant prospect, analyst says

Energy economist Kenneth Medlock says Canada's projects are too expensive to compete

5:00 AM ET Last Updated: Mar 03, 2015 5:00 AM ET

B.C. Premier Christy Clark sees a bright future for liquefied natural gas exports, but an analyst says high production costs and low energy prices create formidable barriers.

B.C. Premier Christy Clark sees a bright future for liquefied natural gas exports, but an analyst says high production costs and low energy prices create formidable barriers.


The ship has already sailed in the global race to export liquefied natural gas to Asia, according to U.S. energy economist Kenneth Medlock — and Canada has missed it.


Speaking of pipeline conversions:

MLA wants tougher rules on pipelines earmarked for LNG projects

The Natural Gas Development Ministry said a new regulation prohibits the B.C. Oil and Gas Commission from allowing any conversion of a natural gas pipeline supplying an LNG facility.

But the Opposition New Democrats said the regulation is not tough enough.

Stikine, B.C., New Democrat Doug Donaldson said Tuesday he wants legislation instead to guarantee oil and bitumen won’t end up in the proposed gas pipelines. He said that, in the spring, he intends to reintroduce his private member’s bill from last year in an effort to ban oil and bitumen from the pipelines.

I don't know what new regulation this is, but if it refers to conversion of pipelines "supplying an LNG facility" this would be concerning language. What about pipelines not supplying an LNG facility (since it's likely no LNG facility will be built). What about pipelines built on a false promise of LNG?


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Joe Oliver says fracking is safe, so it must be

I must apologize for being an alarmist. I now discover there is no reason for concern about hydraulic fracturing, commonly called “fracking”. I have been alleging that this process of “mining” natural gas is dangerous not only to the atmosphere and the people around the process, but to the water used and the potential damage thereafter to the water table.

I now understand that there are no problems whatsoever with this process and that the scaredy-cats in places like New York and Quebec that have banned “fracking” – and the United Kingdom and the European Union that have limited it – are simply wrongheaded.

How do I arrive at my volte face?

I have examined the evidence carefully.

Harper govt gives seal of approval

First of all, we have our own fatuous Finance Minister, Joe Oliver, who insists that fracking is safe – chastising Nova Scotia for its recent ban – and then all you have to do is look up “safe fracking” on the Internet and you’ll see that he is right.

Further proof of my egregious error comes from the fact that the Prime Minister, in giving away bundles of cash to the LNG industry, mentions not a word about the “fracking” that would fuel it. And we know that if it were any concern at all for his beloved flock, he would say so and take steps to shelter them, just as he is doing with the threat from women who wear veils.

See no evil, hear no evil

The Fraser Institute, which is, they allege, a “think tank” says nothing on the subject. Neither does the Canadian Taxpayers’ Federation, which normally can’t keep their mouth shut about anything. If these two honest, independent sources of the absolute truth are silent on “fracking”, we can be certain that all is well....


Shell-BG Group merger a game changer for B.C.’s LNG industry



the answer is NONE

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Fracking Town's Laid-off Workers: 'They Don't Tell You It's All a Lie'

Boom and bust in North Dakota has trapped people, with little hope of work or escape.


But life at the centre of the country's largest hydraulic fracturing, or fracking, boom has definitely changed. The jobs that brought thousands of recession­-weary employment­-seekers to this once peaceful corner of western North Dakota over the last five years have been drying up, even as the unemployed keep coming.

Downtown, clutches of men pass their time at the Salvation Army, watching movies or trolling Craigslist ads on desktop computers. The main branch of the public library is full, all day, every day, with unemployed men in cubbyholes. And when the Command Center, a private temporary jobs agency, opens every morning at 6 a.m., between two and three dozen people are waiting to get in the door.

Some of these job seekers are sleeping in their trucks, in utility sheds, behind piles of garbage by the railroad tracks, wherever they can curl up....

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Madii Lii, Gitxsan Nation - LNG PROHIBITED (video)

We are stopping development proposed for our territories that attempts to exploit our resources, as well as that which directly or indirectly continues the colonization of our House members and culture. Currently, this means we have closed 32 km of our Madii Lii territory to TransCanada's proposed Prince Rupert Gas Transmission (PRGT) fracked gas pipeline. A permanent Madii Lii home place has been built and a gate erected to control access to the territory.


Hard to assess whether any of these news stories have any basis in reality, as each new story features a different player "in the lead", but here was one that seemed to slip through the cracks last month, which obviously should raise more concerns about the kinds of contracts the BC Liberal government is shackling the provincial economy with.

Three LNG projects lead the pack in B.C. Details of so-called ‘project development agreements’ will remain secret until projects go ahead

The agreements, unprecedented in B.C. and more common in countries with unstable political climates, are meant to provide long-term certainty around items such as tax rates, gas royalties and possibly greenhouse gas emissions.

But if the public is hoping to learn any details about the agreements before they are signed, they will be disappointed.

The B.C. government will reveal little and the companies even less.

However, there is agreement among industry observers that a future B.C. government could have different values and priorities, which opens the possibility the province could be constructing a deal where companies would be compensated if the tax or royalty structure was changed.


LNG venture offers $1-billion for aboriginal consent




Those further cuts in taxes and royalties being made in secret seem to have suddenly put a lot of money in Petronas' pockets. I wouldn't be surprised if the billion dollars in fact ends up being paid by the province.

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Woodfibre LNG is bad business for BC

Except briefly, let’s avoid environmental questions about Woodfibre LNG for today and concentrate on fiscal matters.

Even if Woodfibre LNG was an environmental bonus to Howe Sound and the surrounding communities; even if it was clean as a whistle, its plant and accoutrements safe as a church, and the tanker traffic absolutely guaranteed by God to cause no accidents, the case against having this plant would be open and shut.

Let’s look at it from a business proposition.


About said Slime Bags

Before getting into this, let’s have a quick look at Tanoto’s environmental record. Greenpeace calls him “Indonesia’s lead driver of rainforest destruction”. Tanoto doesn’t deny his gross, unwarranted destruction of rain forests but claims he has reformed.

Woodfibre LNG Vice-president Byng Giraud was, from 2010 until 2013, vice-president corporate affairs for Imperial Metals, owner of the Mount Polley mine which, in 2014, caused massive destruction in Quesnel Lake, Polley Lake, Hazeltine Creek and Cariboo Creek, the entire Quesnel and Cariboo river systems right up to the Fraser River.

When asked about Tanoto’s appalling environmental record, Mr. Giraud scarcely puts up a vigorous defence for his boss, stating:

"When you come (to B.C.) you have to follow the rules, regulations and conditions imposed by our regulatory regime"

Just as Tanoto’s companies do in Indonesia, presumably....


LNG sleight of hand

Now, watch the corporate fingers carefully!

Because of the Canada-Singapore tax treaty, which states that Singapore – not Canada – gets to tax this entity, no income taxes for any of this will be levied in Canada. Nor royalty taxes, which are levied at 3.5% on domestic profits, only after capital costs have been fully depreciated (by Woodfibre LNG Ltd., which will own the facility).

Now, folks, here’s where you act really surprised.

Singapore has a 10-year tax holiday for LNG firms!


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LNG venture offers $1-billion for aboriginal consent

Basically $25 million per annum over 40 years. Tying up a few final loose ends.

BTW, apparently Petronas brass will be in BC in late June to announce their sanctioning or FID subject to final CEAA EA approval finally expected in September.


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First Nations band rejects $1-billion in first stage of LNG vote

The first of three votes on a natural gas benefit offer worth over $1 billion has been unanimously rejected by a First Nation on British Columbia’s northwest coast.

All of the more than 180 eligible voters at a meeting in Port Simpson stood up to oppose the plan to build a liquefied-natural-gas pipeline and terminal in their territory, said Lax Kw’alaams band member Malcolm Sampson.

Pacific NorthWest LNG, which is mostly owned by Malaysia-based oil and gas giant Petronas, has applied to build an export terminal on Lelu Island, just south of Prince Rupert at the head of the Skeena River.

Residents have raised concerns over the project’s environmental impact, citing the site’s problematic location and the threat it poses to the watershed.

“Why would you build an LNG plant right at the mouth of the Skeena River?” said Sampson, who spoke at Tuesday’s meeting. “There of all places.”

Sampson said the $1.15-billion offer in benefits over 40 years was not discussed at all during the meeting, which took place in a school gym so packed that some band members had to stand outside.

“Too much was at stake to wipe out a whole river,” said the father of eight and grandfather of 20. He described the atmosphere at the meeting, where both proponents and the band council made presentations, as “very tense.”....


Saw this yesterday. Amazing. Power to the Lax Kw’alaams.


Are all business people really stupid or just some of them?

How brain-dead is that - the mouth of the Skeena!  Frown

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Awakening the Giant: First Nations and the LNG 'Deal'

Few things scare politicians and corporate dragons. Yet, make no mistake who is number one on the shortlist: First Nations.

Nothing will more quickly brown-out political and corporate underpants than distant drums from First Nations.

In social and cultural philosophy, we often talk about Zeitgeist. "Spirit of the times." "Cultural shift." "Paradigm changes." However described, put your ear to the ground and you might hear it too.

Before Greece and Rome were empires, First Nations were the First Peoples of this continent, with established nations, governments and social maturity. Now, centuries after European colonialists nearly decimated these First Citizens, the moment may have resurrected. The time for First Nations is on the horizon. It's theirs to seize.

Not that Canadians know about its country's actual history. As progressive and enlightened people think they are, the abject ignorance of the genocide perpetrated upon the original citizens of this country has little, to no, recognition....

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Lax Kw’alaams rejects Billion-dollar LNG deal; Lake Babine signs paltry one

The BC Liberal government and LNG industry suffered a blow this week with a final losing vote amongst Lax Kw’alaams Band members over a billion-dollar package offered to support Petronas’ Pacific NorthWest LNG plant near Prince Rupert.

At the same time, a much smaller, quieter deal was being signed by the elected leadership of the Lake Babine Nation, pertaining to the pipeline that would feed the coastal plant – the Prince Rupert Gas Transmission line. On the table in this “Project Agreement” between the 2,440-member band and pipeline contractor TransCanada was a comparatively paltry $3.56 million, plus a piece of a $10 million a year revenue sharing deal to be split amongst a number of First Nations along the pipeline route if it becomes operational.


A pretty big deal

Lake Babine members must be scratching their heads wondering how their leaders settled for so little, while the Lax Kw’alaams Band at the end of the pipeline turned down what has been touted as $1.15 Billion in benefits over 40 years, following a series of votes amongst its members over the past week. All three votes, including one held for off-reserve members in Vancouver last night, went down to defeat. Even the BC government, desperate to see at least one of its many embattled LNG projects go forth, threw in 2,200 hectares of Crown land in the region, pegged at a value of $108-million.

Yet all the money and land couldn’t outweigh members’ concerns over the impacts of the massive plant proposed for Lelu Island on Skeena River salmon. A causeway for ships to dock at the plant would disturb vital eelgrass habitat in the estuary at Flora Bank (pictured above), warn scientists and conservation groups. For this very reason, a smaller coal plant operation was rejected by the federal government decades ago, when stocks were admittedly far healthier than today.


"The B.C. government said it has reached 54 pipeline-benefits agreements with 28 First Nations across the province. Of the 59 First Nations along the natural-gas pipeline ending at Lelu Island only five have publicly announced signing agreements with the government."

So the battle over Petronas’ LNG plant is far from over, yet with all the rhetoric and lack of real progress on the project, it’s starting to seem like it’s less about natural gas than hot air.

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Press conference: Now is the time for federal action on fracking

Indigenous lawyer Caleb Behn and pediatrician Dr. Kathleen Nolan were in Ottawa, Ontario to urge the federal government to act now on fracking. Canadians across the country are reminding Members of Parliament and Senators that they have a responsibility to protect public health, our drinking water, and ecosystems from the impact of fracking. May 12, 2015

- Caleb Behn, Indigenous lawyer from northeastern British Columbia; featured in the documentary Fractured Land
- Dr. Kathleen Nolan, pediatrician and co-founder of Concerned Health Professionals of New York
- Emma Lui, national water campaigner for the Council of Canadians

epaulo13 epaulo13's picture is the link to a report on the 3rd lax kw’alaams vote. there is also a interesting video from a globe & mail business perspective re the project.

B.C. First Nations group rejects $1-billion offer for LNG venture

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Why Petronas LNG Proposal Is Caput (podcast) and Meet Murray Kristoff, The Racist Port Edward Councilor

A very good discussion on Petronas`s LNG proposal takes place in this podcast.

Petronas and the Christy Clark Government have failed to have any meaningful discussions with First Nations...Time for another supreme court law suit, this time against Petronas and the BC Government...




I listened to Nathan Cullen and the Mayor of Prince Rupert on the CBC today. It sounds like the Petronas LNG project will be going ahead. They just have to change the location of the plant as Nathan has been suggesting to them for a long time now. 

Petronas must be tone deaf to not have clued into that by now. 

Oh, yea and fuck Petronas and their foreign workers proposal, as we have lots and lots, thanks to Harper and Co, of unemployed Canadians who need to be first offered the jobs.

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nr's not up to cullen or the mayor of rupert. over the past few years it has been clearly shown that it is up to 1st nations. and from what we know today all proposed pipelines (except kinder morgan) run through gixtsan and wet'suwet'en territory. both these nations have not only said no to those pipelines but have set up camps for the express purpose of blocking them. let alone any other nations or places (kitimat, lower mainland) opposed. lng projects are not going ahead without pipelines. 


It's going ahead. The location needs to be changed and then First Nations will support it.

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..if your referring to the lax kw’alaams vote you don't know that nr. the band council wanted the project but they are now silent.


Lax kw'alaams band just saved BCers three decades of headaches, corporate subsidies, and lost revenues. Time to get on with other things.


There are basically 2 issues

1 - location

2 - money

The location will be changed and the price needs to be right.

LNG is not bitumen and both above issues will be resolved.

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..exactly jas.


Good article but..............

No Wealth, No Justice in $1 Billion LNG Offer to First Nation Band

Here's why Lax Kw'alaams still side with the salmon.

Sadly though, even if the Lax Kw'alaams vote to a person to reject the proposal, it won't go away. They never do. Industry and the government are lockstep in search of a way to industrialize the Skeena, and much of the rest of the north, too.


Why would she be terrified to vote "yes"?

Lax Kw'alaams Band reject $1B LNG deal near Prince Rupert

Experts say the project could still go ahead without the First Nation's consent

CBC News Posted: May 13, 2015 7:02 AM PT Last Updated: May 13, 2015 10:19 AM PT

Lelu Island, near Prince Rupert, BC, is the proposed site of the Pacific Northwest LNG project, backed by the Malaysian energy company Petronas.

Lelu Island, near Prince Rupert, BC, is the proposed site of the Pacific Northwest LNG project, backed by the Malaysian energy company Petronas. (Robin Rowland/Canadian Press)

Elya White said she was one of about a dozen members at the meeting in Vancouver that voted for the project to go ahead or did not vote against it.

"You know, I was terrified to give my answer. But, it's my vote, it's my decision, my vote counts. And it's a yes," said White.

"I have a forestry diploma and I understand working with First Nations people gets complicated with environmental issues. I also know all the regulations they have to go through to be approved to the environmental approval."

Premier Christy Clark said yesterday that she believes it is only a matter of time until a negotiated agreement is reached with the 3,700 member band.

Clark insisted the possible rejection of the liquefied-natural-gas terminal is nothing more than a bump in the road for a multi billion-dollar pipeline project.


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