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David Young

We're ready to go here in Lunenburg.

Our M.L.A., Pam Birdsall, was the first NDP candidate to be nominated back in October, and since the 2009 election we've been fund-raising on a regular basis to the point where we're starting campaign with almost as much money in the bank as was spent during the entire 2009 campaign.

Pam has been a terrific constituency M.L.A., getting promptly back to constituents who contact her office with concerns, and she's been around the riding so much, she gets the same response no matter where she goes....'You're everywhere!!'

And the opponents?

The Conservatives have the son of a former M.L.A. (who lived in the Lunenburg riding but represented Lunenburg West) Brian Pickings, while the Liberals are running Suzanne Lohnes-Croft.

Bring on the election!

This is one of the many ridings that won't be going Liberal or P.C. on election night!

 

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Ken Burch

Well, I hope they win...and that, if they do, they start governing as New Democrats for the first time.

Austerity is austerity is austerity...and it's NEVER supposed to be something a center-left government does.

Unionist

Ken Burch wrote:

Well, I hope they win...and that, if they do, they start governing as New Democrats for the first time.

Austerity is austerity is austerity...and it's NEVER supposed to be something a center-left government does.

Is this something a "center-left government" does?

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Premier Darrell Dexter says the scene of hundreds of Saint Mary’s University students chanting about non-consensual sex was “very disturbing,” but he also cautioned Thursday against an overreaction. [...]

“I wouldn’t want to see something that harms the careers of the kids. I wouldn’t want to see that happen. Like I say, I think that if they had a considered opinion, and if they had to do it over again, I’m sure they wouldn’t.”

I don't care who wins in Nova Scotia. They're all pretty much the same. But it would be nice if Dexter lost his seat. Just for this.

 

David Young

Austerity is what happened in Saskatchewan after Tommy Douglas and the CCF took over in 1944.  Tommy knew they had to live within their means, and then build a better future.

It took time, but the gains they made to improve the lives of that province's citizens have been felt for generations since!

Yes, the Dexter government has made some mistakes; but for a first-time government, we have fared a lot better than a certain province between 1990 and 1995.

 

 

kropotkin1951

David Young wrote:

Austerity is what happened in Saskatchewan after Tommy Douglas and the CCF took over in 1944.  Tommy knew they had to live within their means, and then build a better future.

Undecided 

So are you saying that the NDP hasn't had a new economic idea in 70 years? I have heard this lame excuse so many times from NDP/liberals that it makes me want to puke.  However I expect it too be trotted out federally when Mulcair starts on that tried and true path. 

Aristotleded24

David Young wrote:
Austerity is what happened in Saskatchewan after Tommy Douglas and the CCF took over in 1944.  Tommy knew they had to live within their means, and then build a better future.

It took time, but the gains they made to improve the lives of that province's citizens have been felt for generations since!

There's a difference. The CCF, while balancing the budget, was able to make noticeable changes that benefitted the people of Saskatchewan while they were in office. Austerity, on the other hand, is when a government basically slashes services that were in place, on the pretext of balancing the budget. Ever notice that across the political spectrum, budgetary concerns are cited for not spending on what citizens need, yet there is always enough for special favours for the interest groups that got the government elected?

What is up with the Dexter government being unpopular anyways? Ken Summers has [url=http://rabble.ca/news/2012/05/nova-scotia-ndps-tax-cuts-lead-austerity-b... the austerity push of the Dexter government,[/url] yet there was a report by the CCPA which claims that there are initiatives that have reduced poverty in the province. So either Dexter has betrayed the NDP base more than any other provincial NDP leader in the country, or they are spectacularly inept at communicating their accomplishments. Either way, the Nova Scotia NDP needs to be held accountable. Failing that, the message will go stronger that the only way for the NDP to win is to water down its principles and ideals.

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Aristotleded24

janfromthebruce wrote:
Also remember that the NDP balanced the budget but their is still the debt to pay down, the debt brought to you by previous Conservative and Liberal govts.

As did the Chretien Liberals in 1993, the Manitoba PCs in 1995, and the Alberta PCs in 1997. How did those balanced budgets come about, by the way?

Wilf Day

janfromthebruce wrote:
Also remember that the NDP balanced the budget but their is still the debt to pay down, the debt brought to you by previous Conservative and Liberal govts.

Jan, you surprise me. Paying down the debt is deflationary, that is, a way of cooling down the economy so employees won't be able to bid up their wages. Why would you ever want to pay down the debt?

Hunky_Monkey

Ken Burch wrote:

Well, I hope they win...and that, if they do, they start governing as New Democrats for the first time.

Austerity is austerity is austerity...and it's NEVER supposed to be something a center-left government does.

 

Not quite.  The Dexter government took a balanced approach of revenue increases and spending restraint.  That's not what we've seen by the Tories and especially the Liberals in Nova Scotia.  

I'm not quite sure if people understood the gravity of the situation when the NDP took over.  It was reported Nova Scotia had a $200 plus million deficit to deal with.  That of course balloned greatly with an independent audit.  We were facing a projected $1.4 billion deficit thanks to the Tories.  Part of that was the Tories budgeting offshore revenue in the tune of almost a half billion dollards in their last year in office for health and education programs.  What did we receive this year?  Around $25 million.  So Dexter had to backfill almost a half billion in spending before anything else could be done.

There was some restraint... slowing the healthcare budget to about 2% growth as opposed to almost 8% growth.  They also reduced the education budget.  For example, in 2012, 1.3%... yes, 1.3%... less went into education with 1.7% fewer students.  Liberals call that slash and burn.  

Compare that to the huge cuts we've seen in the past and it's almost laughable to say the NDP has been the same as the Tories and Liberals.

And now that we've turned the corner and got our books in order, we're able to invest in key areas that New Democrats care about.  Topping the list for me is restoring funding to the children's dental care program that was cut by the Nova Scotia Liberal Party and further expanding the program.  Did you know that, Ken Burch? 

KenS

I wouldnt have bothered taking exception with mere cheerleading.

But saying that austerity budgeting is not austerity budgeting is another matter, plus the saccharine rationalizations to buttress it.

The education cuts were slash and burn. And stacking 1.3% cuts up to 1.7% fewer students is willful sophistry. Many of the larger cost factors are not under the control of school boards, and do not go down at all with small incremental student decreases. So the cuts have to come out of the big ticket item: teachers and support staff IN the classroom. The numbers of positions cut is substantially more than the 1.7% population decrease.

A pause was taken in the slash and burn in the last budget. But we'll be right back at it if the NDP does not back away from the promised HST tax cuts... which will require rescinding the legislation, by a minority government [should they survive the election].

Bringing back funding for children's dental is good. But its also cheap and flashy. You would never see promises from this government that classroom tracher position cuts will never exceed student populaton decreases. What you will keep seeing is more spin that no teachers have to be laid off- as if that is the same thing.

KenS

The reason 1.3% cuts in education is slash and burn is because school boards have a huge host of mandated programming requirements that establish a floor of rising costs even while student population numbers decrease. Pretending that does not exist is cynical sophistry.

To add insult to injury the govt has multiple times stepped in when school boards use the little discretion they have where they are allowed to cut some of those costs. When the government knows it is going to have to wear the parent outrage, they step in.

Dissapearing teacher positions are less visible. Axed libraries and other frontline support even less visible. The principle of the frog slowly heating up in the pot.

Unionist

How can you not be excited about this:

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The NDP will:

• Deliver better health care where and when you need it.

• Fight for good jobs and stronger communities.

• Keep the HST off home energy and take it off more family essentials.

• Give our kids a better start by focusing on what matters most.

• Stand up for seniors by protecting and enhancing the services they need.

• Build the Maritime Link for green, local, tax-free energy.

• Keep the budget balanced to protect services for you and your family.

 

Brachina

Unionist wrote:

Ken Burch wrote:

Well, I hope they win...and that, if they do, they start governing as New Democrats for the first time.

Austerity is austerity is austerity...and it's NEVER supposed to be something a center-left government does.

Is this something a "center-left government" does?

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Premier Darrell Dexter says the scene of hundreds of Saint Mary’s University students chanting about non-consensual sex was “very disturbing,” but he also cautioned Thursday against an overreaction. [...]

“I wouldn’t want to see something that harms the careers of the kids. I wouldn’t want to see that happen. Like I say, I think that if they had a considered opinion, and if they had to do it over again, I’m sure they wouldn’t.”

I don't care who wins in Nova Scotia. They're all pretty much the same. But it would be nice if Dexter lost his seat. Just for this.

 

 

 I agree with Dexter, losing your future over a poorly thought out chant iscan over reaction. Massive public humiliation is punishment enough. Being vindictive over a chant isn't progressive its just mean and cruel and vengeful. Forgiveness is progressive.

 Now I also hope Darrel Dexter loses his seat, but that's because he's a man of no vision that's holding the ndp in Nova Scotia back.

KenS

And where does promising HST tax cuts fit in?

The legislated start of them is 1% next April. Total of 2% tax cut beginning April 2015.

That is $160million in NEW cuts, starting in a year and running on into the future. Make that $320million from 2015 on.

Centrist

Looks like the incumbent NS NDP gov't is utilizing the exact same strategy as the incumbent MB NDP gov't and the incumbent BC Lib gov't utilized in their respective successful campaigns. That is, the NS NDP is painting their NS Lib rivals (leader and party) as "too risky" for a change. Not familiar enough with NS politics to ascertain whether that will be an effective strategy or not. 

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The acknowledged front-runner, McNeil has been the subject of ads by the governing New Democrats over the summer that cast doubt on his ability to lead the province.

A video on YouTube labelled McNeil as "not worth the risk" while highlighting several verbal gaffes and contradictions. That video followed a television attack ad that ran in the spring that showed McNeil's face fading to black as a large question mark emerged from the background.

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2013/09/08/nova-scotia-election_n_3888854.html

janfromthebruce

Wilf Day wrote:

janfromthebruce wrote:
Also remember that the NDP balanced the budget but their is still the debt to pay down, the debt brought to you by previous Conservative and Liberal govts.

Jan, you surprise me. Paying down the debt is deflationary, that is, a way of cooling down the economy so employees won't be able to bid up their wages. Why would you ever want to pay down the debt?

I didn't say I wanted to pay down the debt, but I did say that the debt was the result of past deficit accumulation. And debt and paying the interest on debt takes money that could be used for other things. So one way to do this is by increasing productivity and thus the ratio of the debt decreases. I also know that some debt is good debt, so to speak. An investment that in the long run lowers costs in other areas. eg. healthcare investments and so on.

And also, I do know that KenS mentioned elsewhere that when the NDP came into power that they inherited not only a huge debt but also a large structural deficit. As know a structural deficit is where revenue does not meet the budget.

And I am reminded that sometimes the options or choices we have to make are not any of the choices we want. I also know that declining student enrolment which is not exclusive to Nova Scotia has been most difficult to deal with.

Brachina

 Am I the only one tired of this slogan, blanks are just to risky. I don't care who uses it, its universally pathetic. Its uninspired and reminds us that Darrel is a man without vision. I me I'm fine with attack ads that explain why ones oppentant is unqualified, but they're too risky is the domain of government that are out of ideas and passion.

KenS

bump [getting around/over that TAT schmozzle]

Aristotleded24

Brachina wrote:
Am I the only one tired of this slogan, blanks are just to risky. I don't care who uses it, its universally pathetic. Its uninspired and reminds us that Darrel is a man without vision. I me I'm fine with attack ads that explain why ones oppentant is unqualified, but they're too risky is the domain of government that are out of ideas and passion.

Of course the irony is that this is exactly what the former PC government unsuccessfully claimed about Dexter in 2009.

Something else I noticed: doesn't it seem strange that Dexter is attacking the record of "Liberal cuts" when it wasn't a Liberal government he replaced but a PC one?

David Young

In Nova Scotia (as elsewhere) there's no real difference between Liberals and Conservatives, so what applies to one, applies to the other just as much.

 

Charles

Aristotleded24]</p> <p>[quote=Brachina wrote:

Something else I noticed: doesn't it seem strange that Dexter is attacking the record of "Liberal cuts" when it wasn't a Liberal government he replaced but a PC one?

 

The last time the Liberals were in power here their cuts were particularly and notably both cruel and deep.

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KenS

No, Charles has it right.

The Liberal cuts in the 90s were deeper than anything the Hamm and MacDonald governments did.

Besides. the bathwater shared among Dippers that there are no differences between the other parties, would never cut it for messaging.... even if it happened to be true [not saying that it is].

And that is still true even if in 2009, and MAYBE still now, an awful lot of voters in the end voted for the NDP laregely because there isnt enough difference between PCs and Libs.

Not to mention, that sword cuts two ways, and we are about to find out if a lot of voters have decided that goes for all three of them... so how much reason do I have to have to vote NDP again, eh?

KenS

janfromthebruce wrote:

And If I understand it, both the Liberals and Conservative minority govts backed up each other.

Sometimes yes, sometimes no. There was definitely no united front against the NDP. And the PCs and Libs pulled plugs on each other when they saw it as in their party's interest... that being the only consideration ever. [not some anti-NDP thing]

PrairieDemocrat15

Hunky_Monkey wrote:

Ken Burch wrote:

Well, I hope they win...and that, if they do, they start governing as New Democrats for the first time.

Austerity is austerity is austerity...and it's NEVER supposed to be something a center-left government does.

 

And now that we've turned the corner and got our books in order, we're able to invest in key areas that New Democrats care about.  Topping the list for me is restoring funding to the children's dental care program that was cut by the Nova Scotia Liberal Party and further expanding the program.  Did you know that, Ken Burch? 

This wouldn't be the first time voters have elected an NDP government to fix a province, only to kick them out of office once the job is done and the government can start re-investing in its citizens. Romanow had to clean-up the Devine disaster after 1991. After 16 years of restraint, in the midst of a resource boom, voters gave Lorne Calvert and his pharmacare the bird and elected Brad Wall and the Conservatives redux.

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PrairieDemocrat15

Centrist wrote:

Looks like the incumbent NS NDP gov't is utilizing the exact same strategy as the incumbent MB NDP gov't and the incumbent BC Lib gov't utilized in their respective successful campaigns. That is, the NS NDP is painting their NS Lib rivals (leader and party) as "too risky" for a change. Not familiar enough with NS politics to ascertain whether that will be an effective strategy or not. 

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The acknowledged front-runner, McNeil has been the subject of ads by the governing New Democrats over the summer that cast doubt on his ability to lead the province.

A video on YouTube labelled McNeil as "not worth the risk" while highlighting several verbal gaffes and contradictions. That video followed a television attack ad that ran in the spring that showed McNeil's face fading to black as a large question mark emerged from the background.

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2013/09/08/nova-scotia-election_n_3888854.html

 

Doesn't the Liberal leader want to open up the electricty market to "competition?" Judging from the outcomes of this neoliberal wetdream in Ontario, Alberta, Australia, and many US states, it is very "risky" indeed.

KenS

Horror stories from other provinces obviously has its relevance to the choir.

Here in Nova Scotia, the Liberals message and appeal has nothing to do with any of that. It is all just pandering to the impossible dream of holding down power rates. The subtext is not open markets. It is [tacitly] not being so 'aggresive' with renewable targets and getting rid of the Efficiency Nova Scotia charge on the bill.

But most of all, its just that your rising power bill is the NDPs fault. Just the timeless strategy of any opposition party, that happens to have a lot of potential for nasty pernicious effects.

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Aristotleded24

janfromthebruce wrote:
Well here's a nasty effect - Liberal smear campaign - staying classy as usual. Darrell Dexter likened to serial killer in image Liberal Party defends retweeting photo

Are the Liberals trying to lose this election? That's about the only logical explanation I can think of.

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Centrist

janfromthebruce wrote:

well it appears they are running a lazy campaign and just not up to the job. Oh look here:

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The NS NDP actually purchased that front page - a very effective political ad IMHO. The BC Libs did the same thing here in BC during the May campaign, albeit they were somewhat lambasted for it pretending it was a real newspaper headline when it wasn't:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/liberals-buy-front-page-newspaper-ad-touting-debate-win-1.1376932

 

Another interesting thing about the NS election, is that within 48 hours of the election call, one can now vote 6 days/ week throughout the campaign. Never heard of that before. Here in BC, we have only 4 advance voting days just prior to e-day.

http://globalnews.ca/news/789354/n-s-voters-to-begin-casting-ballots-48-hrs-after-election-call/

Robo

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Robo

Centrist wrote:

...Another interesting thing about the NS election, is that within 48 hours of the election call, one can now vote 6 days/ week throughout the campaign. Never heard of that before. Here in BC, we have only 4 advance voting days just prior to e-day.

This is akin to the federal election advance poll voting situation, where one can vote very early and every day of the week up to 6 days before the election. I have done this twice, once when I was living overseas. The one time that I voted at the Returning Office in the very early days of the campaign, I was handed a blank piece of paper and told to write the candidate and/or party of my choice (I forget my exact instructions, but I was surprised at the time). Having had the time to think the situation over, these instructions made sense, given the logistics of the situation: until the close of nominations, no ballot can be printed. I had to hope that the candidate who had won the NDP nomination would actually get nominated (that was done without problem), or my ballot would be counted as spoiled. It's an interesting component of "Special Ballot Voting" in federal election reports that I have wondered about -- the number of people who thought they were voting for a candidate who turned out not to actually be a candidate by the time nominations closed.

The Nova Scotia provincial election advance poll voting rules are similar to the federal rules, but have some differences.

Centrist

I always considered the Nova Scotia NDP government as moderate in the same form and template as the popular and successful Manitoba NDP government. Surely Dexter is a much more likable guy than McNeil.

So frankly, I am left scratching my head after seeing today's CRA poll results:

Lib: 48%
NDP: 28%
Con: 23%
Grn: 2%

http://thechronicleherald.ca/editorials/1155543-editorial-liberals-poll-...

So what am I missing here?!

PS. The BC Libs were also in a 20-point deficit at this stage of their campaign and still won.

David Young

Perhaps there are a lot of people who are so annoyed at the pollsters, that when someone calls, they tell the pollsters one thing, and then do another.

 

 

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Pierre C yr

Youd think they would have done more than one poll by now... Im not sure we can write the poll off tho. Im seeing the same one term gov process at work in nearby NB. It seems unlikely that the Alward tories will survive next years election and be like the Graham Liberals before them one termers. Even though they had the courage and fortitude to hike income taxes to pay for our services. We can say these govs are mess cleaners but people hate to only see any messes cleaned up. I think Dexter should have had at least one major progressive policy established in his first term to run on. And risk not meeting his deficit targets to do so by a couple years.

Its not good enough to be just about cleaning up the mess from the previous gov.

 

BC isnt a good example here imo. Dix hammered himself in that campaign by suddenly going hard left green in the midsts of the election. When BC was never that green to begin with. Dont count on the liberals winning there as any indication of how Dexter will do. If Dexter wants a win he needs a major policy not just a tactic of lets not go back to the bad liberals. The libs had time to change their front ranks like they've done in NB where they are polling highly here as well.  They're very quick to swap out leaders that lose and put out a facechange and whats a big plus for them they havent been in power in NS for a long time. 

 

Im pretty worried for Dexter now.

 

 

Hunky_Monkey

Three weeks to go.  Still very early.  Don't forget that Danielle Smith led for the entire campaign in Alberta.  Even the poll the day or two before the election by Angus Reid had Smith leading by 9 points.  We all know the Redford PC's won by 10 points on election night.

Reception at the doors in HRM has been great.  In Halifax Atlantic, Tanis Crosby has more sign locations than the previous 2009 campaign.  

So while that poll isn't great, it won't be the result come October 8th.  Also interesting to note that Liberals seems to be taking this election for granted.   

Pierre C yr

Ya but Danielle Smith had bigots and weirdos in their lineup. A new ultra right wing party with scary written all over it. Short of a few libs coming up as racists I dont think they will screw up as bad as she did. Remains to be seen but Id be surprised...

 

 

 

David Young

Things are going well here in Lunenburg so far with Pam Birdsall's campaign.

We've gone through the 400 signs that we ordered based on how many people took signs in 2009, and now we've started putting 'RE-ELECT' stickers on the 2009 signs to keep up with the requests the campaign has been getting.

As I said in an earleir post, this is one riding outside of Metro Halifax that won't be going blue or red on election night!

 

Ken Burch

PrairieDemocrat15 wrote:

Hunky_Monkey wrote:

Ken Burch wrote:

Well, I hope they win...and that, if they do, they start governing as New Democrats for the first time.

Austerity is austerity is austerity...and it's NEVER supposed to be something a center-left government does.

 

And now that we've turned the corner and got our books in order, we're able to invest in key areas that New Democrats care about.  Topping the list for me is restoring funding to the children's dental care program that was cut by the Nova Scotia Liberal Party and further expanding the program.  Did you know that, Ken Burch? 

This wouldn't be the first time voters have elected an NDP government to fix a province, only to kick them out of office once the job is done and the government can start re-investing in its citizens. Romanow had to clean-up the Devine disaster after 1991. After 16 years of restraint, in the midst of a resource boom, voters gave Lorne Calvert and his pharmacare the bird and elected Brad Wall and the Conservatives redux.

Just to clarify, I wasn't calling for the NDP to be defeated...just that they make sure that they don't act in the second term(if they get it)anything at all like they did in the first.  They were elected to represent the previously unrepresented...those with little, or at least those with less.  You don't win on the votes of people like that and then ask those people to make MORE sacrifices. 

Yes, Nova Scotia had a financial shortfall.  That's why Dexter's government was supposed to raise taxes ON THE RICH, not give the rich even MORE tax breaks.

It never works for a center-left government to do things on economics that a center-right government would do.   Anytime the NDP wins somewhere, it's a vote AGAINST supply-side, for God's sakes.

If I lived in Nova Scotia, I'd be campaigning for Dexter...but I would admit, to those in the party base who expressed anger about how they'd been treated, that they had a right to that anger.  

And it would help a lot if, at the very least, Dexter would get up and say"ok, we've now made all the cuts we're ever going to make". 

Hunky_Monkey

 The Nova Scotia NDP created a new higher tax bracket for those making above $150,000 in 2010.

NorthReport

What has the ns ndp done about creating jobs?

Or is that why the liberals are going to form a majority government in ns?

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