How men feel over the hill at 58, but for women it's 29

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500_Apples
How men feel over the hill at 58, but for women it's 29

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1369928/Young-heart-old-time-How...

Young at heart or old before their time? How men feel over the hill at 58, but for women it's 29
By Daily Mail Reporter
Last updated at 12:27 AM on 26th March 2011

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Women consider themselves old at 29 – half the age of men who don’t feel over the hill until they are 58, according to a study.

A quarter of women say they felt old as soon as they spotted their first grey hairs.

In contrast men tend to think they are still young until they can no longer perform in the bedroom.

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500_Apples

The claim that men don't care and are not made to care about their appearance does not jive with my personal experience. There's a reason men's suits can cost over $1000, there's a reason gym memberships are heavily advertised to men. I've been going to the gym 6 days a week approximately for 5 months now ...

Perhaps things are different in the UK.

That said, I may not feel old at 27, but I don't feel young either. I don't have any allowance for major mistakes anymore, and the clock is ticking on my career and on finding a partner. Sometimes, I feel back pain.

al-Qa'bong

We should have a special section on babble for whining.

500_Apples

al-Qa'bong wrote:

We should have a special section on babble for whining.

I'm not sure if you realize the irony of your post.

al-Qa'bong

I welcome you edification, but anyone between the ages of 27 and 45 who whines about the ravages of aging is pathetic in my view.  You're in the prime of life for crying out loud.

500_Apples

al-Qa'bong wrote:

I welcome you edification, but anyone between the ages of 27 and 45 who whines about the ravages of aging is pathetic in my view.  You're in the prime of life for crying out loud.

My point was not to whine but to critique the assumptions of the article, that men feel young until they're 58 because they never need to take care of their appearance, that masculinity is defined solely by the frequency of erections, et cetera.

Judging from your comments not just in this thread but in others, you are in a bad mood. You've never pissed me off so I'm not going to fight. You should lighten up though.

Unionist

500_Apples wrote:
You should lighten up though.

I'd have to go to the gym for that.

But I'm over the hill.

 

KenS

Over any hill.

You and me both.

al-Qa'bong

Unionist wrote:

500_Apples wrote:
You should lighten up though.

I'd have to go to the gym for that.

But I'm over the hill.

 

I took off about 30 pounds between June and September last year, and another 5-10 (it fluctuates) since then.  My secret has been eating less and excercising more.  Rather than driving, I now walk the ten blocks to the liquor store for my case of Great Western Gold on Friday afternoons.

I found I could fit into a few pairs of pants that I had outgrown, so I saved myself a few bucks in clothing purchases, which is like finding money.

Vansterdam Kid

500_Apples wrote:
al-Qa'bong wrote:

I welcome you edification, but anyone between the ages of 27 and 45 who whines about the ravages of aging is pathetic in my view.  You're in the prime of life for crying out loud.

My point was not to whine but to critique the assumptions of the article, that men feel young until they're 58 because they never need to take care of their appearance, that masculinity is defined solely by the frequency of erections, et cetera. Judging from your comments not just in this thread but in others, you are in a bad mood. You've never pissed me off so I'm not going to fight. You should lighten up though.

Feelings about age are completely within context.

I work at a University and I'm 26 and I'm the youngest of my co-workers. I was actually somewhat obscure about my age until someone guessed that I was 21 because I didn't want people to think that I was a co-op student doing a work term or something and that they could give me their shit to do because I was some sort of young'in that was trying to impress people. Frankly, I'm waaaay past that. When I take a random undergraduate class, I'm usually one of the oldest ones (albeit by only a few years) because I'm not in Grad School yet. I find that I complain about random things like Much Music having "used to be" good (it probably never was) and not understanding cultural phenomenon that "kids these days" like, such as Justin Bieber, Twilight, Tumbler, etc and preferring a nice bar or lounge where the music isn't too loud to a club or underground party.

A few of my friends are starting to get married (though I'm nowhere near ready to... though I've joked with some that we should have 10 year "if we're not married by then we'll marry each other pacts"). I think the whole "30 is the new 20" meme is total bullshit, seeing as I sure as hell don't feel like I'm 16 (I'm about three or four pants sizes and a good five or so inches taller than I was back then) and can't recover from hangovers as well as I could even five years ago. All that being said, I don't feel over the hill and I don't feel like I'm in the "care free" (what a pointless saying) days of my youth either. Basically we poke fun at the fact that we need to step it up and start acting like adults and that while we're relatively young, we are in the primes of our lives, so if we want to live well we have to realize we're not babies anymore and that we need to get our shit together.

al-Qa'bong

Not only are you in the prime of your lives, you aren't half as distinguished-looking as you'll be in 25 years.

KenS

distinguished

KenS

looking

Ken Burch Ken Burch's picture

I really, REALLY hope the mods reword the thread title.  I know it's part of the original Daily Mail headline(for those who don't know, and around this site I don't think thee's that many who don't, the Daily Mail is one of the most reactionary papers in the UK, and has always been not only racist and homophobic but relentlessly sexist as well), but we don't need to use their phraseology(which, as written, sounds as if it goes without saying that women, in fact, ARE over the hill at 29).

We don't really need to repeat antiwoman propaganda phrases just because they were part of the link article.

Unionist

My life has a minimum of important factors. That puts me in the prime of my life. Right, Apples?

 

 

absentia

So, the headline is about a survey, right? That means they've asked a whole bunch of people, of both sexes - and, hopefully, all walks of life, but i can't take the time to read it now - and come up with a statistic. Not a universal truth. And no gradations or nuances.

If any women are reading this, the prime of our life is c 40-50 - not 25! The twenties are full of anxiety and insecurity, whether you're studying, starting a career, mating or reproducing: there is so much yet unknown about your ability, stamina and courage. By 45, you know who you are and what you're capable of, and have pretty much stopped giving a flying fig what anyone else thinks. That's not old, that's mature.

500_Apples

Ken Burch wrote:

I really, REALLY hope the mods reword the thread title.  I know it's part of the original Daily Mail headline(for those who don't know, and around this site I don't think thee's that many who don't, the Daily Mail is one of the most reactionary papers in the UK, and has always been not only racist and homophobic but relentlessly sexist as well), but we don't need to use their phraseology(which, as written, sounds as if it goes without saying that women, in fact, ARE over the hill at 29).

We don't really need to repeat antiwoman propaganda phrases just because they were part of the link article.

I certainly don't have the ideological position of each of the several thousand english-language media around the world memorized. The article was linked to on nakedcapitalism.com ( a left-wing site) and I read it.

Maysie Maysie's picture

As a macro-sociologist this kind of bullshit "study" makes me want to rip my hair out.

So....  in our lovely patriarchal, sexist, heterosexist and woman-hating society, women are only valued for our (time limited) youth and (time limited, one assumes) appeal to men.

So, women are taught this all our lives and, wow, magic, when we hit 29 or 30 we feel that we're done, our prime years are over. We're taught that what we look like is more important than anything else we do, and presto, we internalize it and speak back the stereotypes. Oooh, shocking and groundbreaking.

The technical term for that in sociology is GIGO. Ha.

What ages of people were asked? Were there changes in responses across age, particularly for women? What does "prime" mean? Sexually "hot" and desirable? By whom? By what standards? Were only white folks included in the survey? Were there any differences across racial/cultural groups? Class groups?

Argh.

I like CMOT's thread about aging better. 

MegB

The, um, 'study' was apparently done by Avalon Funeral Plans (I had to dig a fair ways into the article before its author was mentioned), so I think it's fair to say there are some credibility issues here.

You couldn't pay me to go through my 20s again.  Now pass me the damned botox!

Ghislaine

I just turned 30, as mentioned in the thread Maysie linked to, and I am happy to be this age. I had such a period of confusion, lack of self-confidence, heartbreak, struggle, etc. in my mid-twenties. I just feel so much more sure of myself, full of direction and happy. It doesn't hurt to be happily married as well, but unless I could go back to age 20 with all the knowledge and confidence I have now...I would not want to go back.

al-Qa'bong

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What does "prime" mean? Sexually "hot" and desirable? By whom? By what standards?

 

The baseline criterion I use to make my scientific assessment of "prime" is the time before some new body part didn't hurt with every new day.

Papal Bull

al-Qa'bong wrote:

Quote:

What does "prime" mean? Sexually "hot" and desirable? By whom? By what standards?

 

The baseline criterion I use to make my scientific assessment of "prime" is the time before some new body part didn't hurt with every new day.

 

 

I always assumed that the prime of a man's life was over when he started to define the prime of others' lives... Wink

al-Qa'bong

So some of us never reach our prime?

Maybe I'm weird, but no matter what age I've been, I've always thought it was a good age to be.  It beats the alternative.

Slumberjack

Corporatism's mass conditioning leads people to believe that the ideal way to achieve a culturally accepted standard of personalization and individuality, is to measure oneself against an artificial corporate depiction of everyone else who had previously bought into it.

Dodger718

I'm about to turn 30. I don't feel particularly "old". No aches and pains or anything like that, except that I've found that I can't drink much anymore without being hungover. But I definitely feel "adult" in a way I didn't a few years ago.

I'd distinguish between the two with "old" being more physicial and "adult" being more emotional or lifestyle. I work in a very "hip" advertising / design agency where it's mostly people around my age but they tend to be very trendy guys with limited edition sneakers who know where the cool underground club is. I do feel sorta old in comparison now that I've settled down and have kids and go home after work.

I think we have a sort of delayed adulthood nowadays where I see people in their 30s dressing like teenagers, listening to the same music as teens, playing the same video games. People get married and have kids way later, if they do at all. So even though I'm the same age as most of my peer group, I end up feeling quite a bit older (emotionally, not physically) because our lifestyles are so different.

Caissa

Random body parts started to hurt around 45 for me.

Northern Shoveler Northern Shoveler's picture

Thx Maysie for some sanity. I had to read this thread because of the ridiculous title.  

At 60 I've been over many a hill and through many a dale to the point that I have to get new cartilage.  Over the hill is the cause not the symtom of how I feel.  

al-Qa'bong

Caissa wrote:

Random body parts started to hurt around 45 for me.

Two words:  "Magic Bag."

I use one of these every night.  You microwave it to heat it up, then place it on the afflicted sore spot.  My only problem with this device is that it isn't big enough to cover all my afflicted areas.  I could use "Magic Pyjamas" or something.

Catchfire Catchfire's picture

I had arthritic symptoms when I was three years old and started to lose my hair at seventeen. Now I have the brain of Einstein and the body of a Greek God (I stole them from the Royal Museum *rim shot*). As far as I can tell, you don't get older, you get better.

That said, I agree with Apples wrt this thread. Men are idiots.

 

Boom Boom Boom Boom's picture

I hate it when some product on TV uses healthy-looking very senior Swede or Scandinavian men in their advertising - makes me look pathetic by comparsion - which I am. Embarassed

Ken Burch Ken Burch's picture

Rebecca West wrote:

The, um, 'study' was apparently done by Avalon Funeral Plans (I had to dig a fair ways into the article before its author was mentioned), so I think it's fair to say there are some credibility issues here.

 

In Britain, women start planning their funerals when they're 29?  I'd heard the place was depressing, but I didn't know it was THAT bad.

Ken Burch Ken Burch's picture

500_Apples wrote:
Ken Burch wrote:

I really, REALLY hope the mods reword the thread title.  I know it's part of the original Daily Mail headline(for those who don't know, and around this site I don't think thee's that many who don't, the Daily Mail is one of the most reactionary papers in the UK, and has always been not only racist and homophobic but relentlessly sexist as well), but we don't need to use their phraseology(which, as written, sounds as if it goes without saying that women, in fact, ARE over the hill at 29).

We don't really need to repeat antiwoman propaganda phrases just because they were part of the link article.

I certainly don't have the ideological position of each of the several thousand english-language media around the world memorized. The article was linked to on nakedcapitalism.com ( a left-wing site) and I read it.

I wasn't implying that YOU agreed with the headline, Apples.  Nothing personal.