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NorthReport

State of emergency, blackout in Russia’s Crimea after transmission towers in Ukraine blown up

https://www.rt.com/news/323012-crimea-blackout-lines-blown-up/

mark_alfred

NorthReport wrote:

Joe Oliver says Liberals playing classic 'cupboard is bare game'

'The fact is we left them with a $1.6-billion surplus,' former finance minister asserts

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/joe-oliver-fiscal-update-surplus-deficit...

There's a Macleans article by some economist that makes the same claim.

http://www.macleans.ca/economy/economicanalysis/the-liberals-deficit-cla...

NorthReport

Teacher compliments each student every single day

http://m.digitaljournal.com/life/lifestyle/teacher-compliments-each-stud...

NorthReport

Wal-Mart employee fired for redeeming $5 in discarded bottles

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/11/21/wal-mart-e...

Sean in Ottawa

Rev Pesky wrote:

Sean in Ottawa wrote:
...Ok not to do does not mean you can't...

That is correct. So why did the NDP choose to remain silent, again?

This is trolling -- clearly.

I have several times done searches to point out that the meme of the NDP being silent is frequently lazy propaganda.

The NDP is preoccupied by a major loss. They can be forgiven for not repeating things they ahve already said. There is nothing wrong with the statement on Paris.

Sean in Ottawa

Cody87 wrote:

Sean in Ottawa wrote:

The rest of your post is not worthy of response.

The rest of her post looks reasonable to me. What exactly about it is not worthwhile to respond to? Do you disagree with her claim that it will likely be the NDP or Conservatives in 3rd next election? Do you disagree with her idea that attacking the unpopular Conservatives would probably do more to improve the NDP's standings then attacking the Liberals? Do you not see that if the Liberals, with stated policy very similar to the NDP (relative to the Conservatives), are weakened, that this is likely to overall benefit the Conservatives?

Do you contest her point that the NDP's reputation has been damaged and that the NDP is continuing to leave a negative impression on voters (as evidenced by their exceptionally low polling numbers)?

Once again you dismiss an argument from someone you disagree with rather than respond to it. If you don't want to address the points, that's fine ignore them - but don't appeal to ridicule.

I am unsurprised to see that you Liberals are tag teaming the trolling right now and so agree with each other.

Pondering demanded that I make a case for the NDP to win in the next election related to an argument that I never made that was irrelevant to the discussion. It was trolling whihc is what you Liberals are doing here. The post was not about the conversation and dsigned to rub in a partisan point. No it was not worth responding to. But there is yourr explanation.

Sean in Ottawa

NorthReport wrote:

Teacher compliments each student every single day

http://m.digitaljournal.com/life/lifestyle/teacher-compliments-each-stud...

This is a great story. Thanks for posting.

NorthReport

Excellent analysis!

And explains why there is little or no hope for a NDP resurgence.

How the New Democrats defeated themselves

http://ipolitics.ca/2015/11/20/how-the-new-democrats-defeated-themselves/

Rev Pesky

Sean in Ottawa wrote:
...This is trolling -- clearly.

I have several times done searches to point out that the meme of the NDP being silent is frequently lazy propaganda.

The NDP is preoccupied by a major loss. They can be forgiven for not repeating things they ahve already said. There is nothing wrong with the statement on Paris.

This 'major loss' argument reminds me of the orphan's defense. There is nothing preventing the NDP from putting statements on their own website. And,in fact, they have put statements on their website. They just haven't put anything there other than that feeble response to the attacks in Paris. That statement could have been made by absolutely anyone. It was a deliberately anodyne piece of fluff.

Mulcair has said he will contnue to lead the party. Okay, all I ask for is some leadership. It is apparent to me that Mulcair's leadership is missing in action. There's an old saying that is reasonably appropriate; Lead, follow, or get the hell out of the way! It is time for Mulcair to make that choice.

 

Pondering

JKR wrote:
Pondering wrote:

The Liberals are not going to fall from 1st to 3rd in 2019 so the NDP has to push the Conservatives into 3rd or they are the ones that will stay there. 

Judging by recent opinion polls, few who voted Conservative in the election will likely consider voting for the NDP in 2019 while many more who voted Liberal in the election will be open to switching to the NDP. So it makes sense for the NDP to concentrate much more on the large group of NDP-Liberal swing voters than on the small group of NDP-Conservative swing voters.

This is true, but as long as the Conservatives remain a threat voters will go with the sure bet which is the Liberals because the NDP are basically Liberal lite anyway, or that is what they have spent the last decade+ trying to convince everyone of. 

The Liberals are in an incredibly strong position. It is possible but not plausible that they will drop to 3rd in 2019. If voters feel that the Liberals are really secure they may elect more NDP reps. Weakening the Conservatives creates a larger pie for the Liberals and NDP to share. 

The Conservatives went with "not ready yet" because they correctly sensed that going after Trudeau too hard would backfire. The Liberals won on values and are in a honeymoon period. People want to be happy and optimistic. Liberal support is soaring. That doesn't mean the NDP can't make valid criticisms, but they need to wait until something actually happens. Rather than thinking "Gee, the NDP is right, the Liberals will never fulfill their promises, we were stupid to vote for them" voters are more likely to think "those NDP are sore losers so nothing the Liberals do will be good enough for them". 

Like the boy who cried wolf the NDP is setting themselves up to be disregarded. 

Each NDP MP should do their very best to ensure the constituents that did elect them are well served. That is their job. They should be a positive part of committees working to made progressive Liberal policies a success, that is assuming they serve the people not the NDP. 

The NDP should hold the Liberals "to account" when the Liberals do anything deserving of being held to account on. Saying they are going to hold the Liberals to account just looks like what it is, antagonistic posturing. 

NorthReport

Southeast Asia moves to form regional economic community

http://www.ctvnews.ca/business/southeast-asia-moves-to-form-regional-eco...

thorin_bane

I am not even sure why I come to read on here. As little as I do that is. We have our usual cynic that is always poo pooing the NDP from the "left" and then we get the Liberal concern trolls who can't even be bothered to verify the NDP poistion but instead put up bullshit positions of the NDP not doing enough. I am still waiting to hear from them why the TPP is such a great doc as said by their agriculture minister. While the labour and billionaires both agree it has no benefit to canadians yet we are plowing ahead. Yes the other issues are important, but the issue of hollowing out canadian independance and sovreighnty seems to be pretty much irrelevant. No big whoop I guess, when we are all serfs fighting over the local dung mound we will all be equal but yet trying to rise to the top of this mountain of shit.

thorin_bane

Pondering wrote:

JKR wrote:
Pondering wrote:

The Liberals are not going to fall from 1st to 3rd in 2019 so the NDP has to push the Conservatives into 3rd or they are the ones that will stay there. 

Judging by recent opinion polls, few who voted Conservative in the election will likely consider voting for the NDP in 2019 while many more who voted Liberal in the election will be open to switching to the NDP. So it makes sense for the NDP to concentrate much more on the large group of NDP-Liberal swing voters than on the small group of NDP-Conservative swing voters.

This is true, but as long as the Conservatives remain a threat voters will go with the sure bet which is the Liberals because the NDP are basically Liberal lite anyway, or that is what they have spent the last decade+ trying to convince everyone of. 

The Liberals are in an incredibly strong position. It is possible but not plausible that they will drop to 3rd in 2019. If voters feel that the Liberals are really secure they may elect more NDP reps. Weakening the Conservatives creates a larger pie for the Liberals and NDP to share. 

The Conservatives went with "not ready yet" because they correctly sensed that going after Trudeau too hard would backfire. The Liberals won on values and are in a honeymoon period. People want to be happy and optimistic. Liberal support is soaring. That doesn't mean the NDP can't make valid criticisms, but they need to wait until something actually happens. Rather than thinking "Gee, the NDP is right, the Liberals will never fulfill their promises, we were stupid to vote for them" voters are more likely to think "those NDP are sore losers so nothing the Liberals do will be good enough for them". 

Like the boy who cried wolf the NDP is setting themselves up to be disregarded. 

Each NDP MP should do their very best to ensure the constituents that did elect them are well served. That is their job. They should be a positive part of committees working to made progressive Liberal policies a success, that is assuming they serve the people not the NDP. 

The NDP should hold the Liberals "to account" when the Liberals do anything deserving of being held to account on. Saying they are going to hold the Liberals to account just looks like what it is, antagonistic posturing. 

BLAH BLAH BLAH...why didn't Trudeau go after Harper a lot more Instead of his obsession of attacking Mulcair through the first 7 weeks of the campaign while Rosie Barton and a slew of liberal cohorts pom pommed the whole time for Team Justin each and every night on the CBC? A right ignore this and continue on with your delusional world that everyone was against Justin and he got no help from anyone, not his name(90% of his rise to 'power'), not the media, not nostalgia. Just his magical beans and his power to be pure amazing awesomeness. 

Sean in Ottawa

Rev Pesky wrote:

Sean in Ottawa wrote:
...This is trolling -- clearly.

I have several times done searches to point out that the meme of the NDP being silent is frequently lazy propaganda.

The NDP is preoccupied by a major loss. They can be forgiven for not repeating things they ahve already said. There is nothing wrong with the statement on Paris.

This 'major loss' argument reminds me of the orphan's defense. There is nothing preventing the NDP from putting statements on their own website. And,in fact, they have put statements on their website. They just haven't put anything there other than that feeble response to the attacks in Paris. That statement could have been made by absolutely anyone. It was a deliberately anodyne piece of fluff.

Mulcair has said he will contnue to lead the party. Okay, all I ask for is some leadership. It is apparent to me that Mulcair's leadership is missing in action. There's an old saying that is reasonably appropriate; Lead, follow, or get the hell out of the way! It is time for Mulcair to make that choice.

 

I am not supporting Mulcair's leadership and certainly not claiming it is stellar. But it is understandable that the party is not putting out all that much right now. There is no urgency either at this time. I would rather that the internal and leadership issues get addressed than a focus on in many cases requests for repetition of policy.

The response to Paris is not a scandal.

mark_alfred

Pondering wrote:

I'm very disappointed in Mulcair's failure to support Trudeau on bringing in the refugees. 

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/understaffed-government-str...

From the article above, it seems your disappointment might be better placed at the feet of Trudeau himself.  It seems he's left things in a bit of chaos in Ottawa while he travels the world taking selfies:

Quote:

Understaffed Ottawa struggles to deliver refugee plan as Trudeau travels

Staffing of the government elected over a month ago has moved at a glacial pace; as Ottawa crawls with aspiring aides optimistically working the social circuit, many ministers do not have a single political employee.

To the extent that the Prime Minister’s Office has taken shape, settling into any sort of rhythm has been made impossible by Justin Trudeau, his chief-of-staff and others spending much of the time since his swearing-in halfway around the world at international summits.

When the Liberals took office, civil servants told them that meeting the end-of-year target would be impossible. Civil servants are prone to over-manage expectations, and it is often wise for their political masters to push back. But that involves taking some ownership of the files themselves, and the Liberals really are not well-positioned to do that.

The PMO is not yet set up to provide direction the way it usually would. So it falls to the skeptical bureaucrats to take a bigger role, with leadership also apparently to come from the armed forces.

Hopefully this early chaos doesn't become the norm for the next four years.

Pondering

thorin_bane wrote:
BLAH BLAH BLAH...why didn't Trudeau go after Harper a lot more Instead of his obsession of attacking Mulcair through the first 7 weeks of the campaign while Rosie Barton and a slew of liberal cohorts pom pommed the whole time for Team Justin each and every night on the CBC? A right ignore this and continue on with your delusional world that everyone was against Justin and he got no help from anyone, not his name(90% of his rise to 'power'), not the media, not nostalgia. Just his magical beans and his power to be pure amazing awesomeness. 

Because the NDP was ahead. I don't fault the NDP for going after Trudeau during the election. I do fault the NDP for not being progressive enough to win and for running a crappy campaign.  

Now that the election is over, and during this "honeymoon" period, it's self-defeating for the NDP to be attacking Trudeau. It isn't going to hurt Trudeau. He's doing great. The NDP is as screwed as the Liberals were in 2011. Like the Liberals, the NDP can come back, but it will be through a different strategy. 

Destroy the Conservatives, and the Liberals become the centre right leaving the field clear for the NDP to be the centre left and the the natural alternative for when the Liberals inevidably lose power. 

Pondering

mark_alfred wrote:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/understaffed-government-str...

From the article above, it seems your disappointment might be better placed at the feet of Trudeau himself.  It seems he's left things in a bit of chaos in Ottawa while he travels the world taking selfies:

Quote:

Understaffed Ottawa struggles to deliver refugee plan as Trudeau travels

Staffing of the government elected over a month ago has moved at a glacial pace; as Ottawa crawls with aspiring aides optimistically working the social circuit, many ministers do not have a single political employee.

To the extent that the Prime Minister’s Office has taken shape, settling into any sort of rhythm has been made impossible by Justin Trudeau, his chief-of-staff and others spending much of the time since his swearing-in halfway around the world at international summits.

When the Liberals took office, civil servants told them that meeting the end-of-year target would be impossible. Civil servants are prone to over-manage expectations, and it is often wise for their political masters to push back. But that involves taking some ownership of the files themselves, and the Liberals really are not well-positioned to do that.

The PMO is not yet set up to provide direction the way it usually would. So it falls to the skeptical bureaucrats to take a bigger role, with leadership also apparently to come from the armed forces.

Hopefully this early chaos doesn't become the norm for the next four years.

What chaos? The Globe and Mail endorsed the Conservatives and that was nothing more than a gossip column. Everything seems under control to me. The plan is being released on Tuesday and people across Canada have been getting ready. What is the problem for "Ottawa civil servants"? I don't see why they would be that involved. The military will be taking a leadership role. The military is equipped to manage large movements of people. 

mark_alfred

Pondering wrote:

What chaos? The Globe and Mail endorsed the Conservatives and that was nothing more than a gossip column. Everything seems under control to me. The plan is being released on Tuesday and people across Canada have been getting ready. What is the problem for "Ottawa civil servants"? I don't see why they would be that involved. The military will be taking a leadership role. The military is equipped to manage large movements of people. 

It's not just the Globe and Mail.  Even the Star, that fawning adulatory news-source of Trudeau ass-kissing, is beginning to sound the alarm:

Quote:

The bigger uncertainty isn’t security but capacity — the exigencies of timing, the shortages of accommodation and the harshness of the Canadian climate in late December.

That’s why Ontario initially proposed a timeline extending through the end of 2016 when it announced plans to take in 10,000 refugees (Ontario doesn’t actually select refugees — that’s Ottawa’s job — it merely resettles its 40 per cent share of the 25,000 people the federal government has targeted for acceptance).

To repeat: Ontario’s timeline (end of 2016) extends far beyond the deadline set by the federal Liberals (end of 2015). Far from being a laggard, Ontario’s plan serves as a reality check to Ottawa’s frenzied pace.

NorthReport

As one person commented to CTV about May's musings:

Does anyone really care what a perpetual one seat party says?

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 Kewl!

Canada's Alberta NDP Government to introduce economy-wide carbon tax in 2017

http://ca.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idCAKBN0TB0WB20151122

Pondering

mark_alfred wrote:

Pondering wrote:

What chaos? The Globe and Mail endorsed the Conservatives and that was nothing more than a gossip column. Everything seems under control to me. The plan is being released on Tuesday and people across Canada have been getting ready. What is the problem for "Ottawa civil servants"? I don't see why they would be that involved. The military will be taking a leadership role. The military is equipped to manage large movements of people. 

It's not just the Globe and Mail.  Even the Star, that fawning adulatory news-source of Trudeau ass-kissing, is beginning to sound the alarm:

Quote:

The bigger uncertainty isn’t security but capacity — the exigencies of timing, the shortages of accommodation and the harshness of the Canadian climate in late December.

That’s why Ontario initially proposed a timeline extending through the end of 2016 when it announced plans to take in 10,000 refugees (Ontario doesn’t actually select refugees — that’s Ottawa’s job — it merely resettles its 40 per cent share of the 25,000 people the federal government has targeted for acceptance).

To repeat: Ontario’s timeline (end of 2016) extends far beyond the deadline set by the federal Liberals (end of 2015). Far from being a laggard, Ontario’s plan serves as a reality check to Ottawa’s frenzied pace.

Again, what chaos? The refugees haven't even started arriving yet. If they arrive and they are sleeping on the streets that would be chaos. It doesn't seem like the Ottawa staff has been asked to do anything so I don't see what their problem is. 

mark_alfred

It's good he's keeping his promise on this and hopefully it goes smoothly.

NorthReport

UBC is being taken to the BC Human Rights Tribunal because of they way they addressed or rather the way they did not address sexual abuse complaints

Watch a special livestream of School of Secrets on Monday at 10 p.m. ET

 

 

NorthReport
NorthReport

UBC officials have the option of finding a new police force to address sexual assault cases

http://www.straight.com/news/582876/ubc-officials-have-option-finding-ne...

NorthReport

Tom Mulcair laid out NDP expectations ahead of first ministers' meeting

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/tom-mulcair-laid-out-ndp-expectations-ah...

NorthReport

Charities - just another tax break for the rich

Toronto police charge March of Dimes employee with defrauding the charity of $800,000

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/toronto-police-charge-march-of-...

NorthReport

What's next - no more saying Merry Christmas?  Laughing

Yoga class canceled at Canada university over ‘cultural issues’

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/yoga-class-canceled-canada-univers...

Sean in Ottawa

NorthReport wrote:

UBC is being taken to the BC Human Rights Tribunal because of they way they addressed or rather the way they did not address sexual abuse complaints

Watch a special livestream of School of Secrets on Monday at 10 p.m. ET

 

 

Sadly ironic in this thread given the title of the thread.. What a story there. I was shocked to see this a few days ago.

quizzical

NorthReport wrote:
What's next - no more saying Merry Christmas?  Laughing

Yoga class canceled at Canada university over ‘cultural issues’

">http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/yoga-class-canceled-canada-univers...

no it's religion by the name of Christianity, of the evangelical type. they're really pushing hard here in my part of BC against having yoga of any type given to large groups with a secular org sponsoring it.

Mr. Magoo

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Yoga class canceled at Canada university over ‘cultural issues’

Presumably, karate, judo, tae kwon do, jiu-jitsu and tai chi classes were axed for the same reason.

NorthReport

Any institution that caves on this issue is not worth the paper their charter is written on.

quizzical wrote:

NorthReport wrote:
What's next - no more saying Merry Christmas?  Laughing

Yoga class canceled at Canada university over ‘cultural issues’

">http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/yoga-class-canceled-canada-univers...

no it's religion by the name of Christianity, of the evangelical type. they're really pushing hard here in my part of BC against having yoga of any type given to large groups with a secular org sponsoring it.

Sean in Ottawa

Mr. Magoo wrote:

Quote:
Yoga class canceled at Canada university over ‘cultural issues’

Presumably, karate, judo, tae kwon do, jiu-jitsu and tai chi classes were axed for the same reason.

An odd decision that misses the point.

Personally, I think all people should be required to attend classes explaining imperialism, colonialism, racism and privilege. We could all deal with greater awareness. Not having yoga is not going to fix anything.

 

NorthReport

Actually not allowing yoga will do a lot of damage as it is essential for older people in particular to decompress as well as to ompress.

NorthReport

The Climate Change Pledges
Are In. Will They Fix Anything?

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/11/23/world/carbon-pledges.html?...

Sean in Ottawa

As one who cannot tickle the back of my ears with my toes, I think if you want to stick your foot up where it does not belong you should be able to do so.

One of the big differences between appropriation (if I understand it correctly) and honouring something is knowledge. They could have simply included learning about the context and history, including colonialism, into the program.

Mr. Magoo

As I understand it, there's also a bit of a turf war in the yoga world over "hot yoga" -- basically, yoga in a very hot and humid room.  But I'm inclined to think that the only reason there's a turf war over it is because it's popular, and therefore lucrative.

It's just sort of funny that practicing yoga with a non-Indian instructor/facilitator is evidently some kind of cultural appropriation akin to wearing blackface.

Anyhoo, off to cook some pad thai, grab a quick sauna, take in an opera, and then maybe afterward some karaoke before I watch the cricket game.

Mr. Magoo

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One of the big differences between appropriation (if I understand it correctly) and honouring something is knowledge. They could have simply included learning about the context and history, including colonialism, into the program.

Really, though?

If some street vendor in India wants to sell poutine, are they obligated to tell their customers all about the Eastern Townships and the history of the coureur de bois?

Yoga is a form of exercise that's older than Christ, and it has sweet fuck all to do with colonialism.

NorthReport

Frankie Boyle on the fallout from Paris: ‘This is the worst time for society to go on psychopathic autopilot’

From authoritarian power grabs to Andrew Neil’s nonsensical eulogy, the reaction to the Paris attacks proves that we haven’t learned from our past mistakes

 

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/23/frankie-boyle-fallout-paris...

quizzical

Mr. Magoo wrote:
It's just sort of funny that practicing yoga with a non-Indian instructor/facilitator is evidently some kind of cultural appropriation akin to wearing blackface.

i don't believe it is for an instant. then any martial arts instructor not of the particular culture it's from expropriates too. which is bs.

hatha yoga which everyone calls 'yoga' is only physical unlike the many other yogas.

NorthReport

Christy Clark's comments that Canada does not deserve its environmental black eye just shows the challenges ahead for people like Notley who actually want to do somehing to reduce GG emissions.

NorthReport

Plume of mining waste reaches Brazilian coast two weeks after dam collapse

Tide is expected to spread along a 5.5-mile stretch of coastline, threatening a nature reserve after killing plants and animals along 400 miles of the Rio Doce

 

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/23/brazil-dam-collapse-mining-...

JKR

Mr. Magoo wrote:

Quote:
Yoga class canceled at Canada university over ‘cultural issues’

Presumably, karate, judo, tae kwon do, jiu-jitsu and tai chi classes were axed for the same reason.

Do many Japanese people have a problem with how the terms "karate," "judo," and "jiu-jitsu" are being used in the West? Do many Koreans have a problem with how the term "tae kwon do" is being used in the West? And are many Chinese people opposed to how the term "tai-chi" is being used in the West?

eastnoireast

that mining plume is terrible.  rivers are so amazing, they get treated like crap.

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yoga - after my first yoga class, i walked out to see my pony.  she looked up, did a big dog-stretch, and walked over to say hi.  i thought, huh.

really, yoga is simply a particular categorization of universal and naturally occurring realities.  like musical scales themselves, western or east indian, say.  

the cultural angle seems a bit much.  i could see a caution based on western tackiness or ungrounded teaching, perhaps, which may be what this is about.

quizzical

Williams Lake is afraid mt polley is going to breach again any day now.

there's no cultural exploitation going on with yoga. my mom's cats do downward dog all the time. many poses have names from the animals or birds who have prompted the pose development.

 

Sean in Ottawa

Mr. Magoo wrote:

Quote:
One of the big differences between appropriation (if I understand it correctly) and honouring something is knowledge. They could have simply included learning about the context and history, including colonialism, into the program.

Really, though?

If some street vendor in India wants to sell poutine, are they obligated to tell their customers all about the Eastern Townships and the history of the coureur de bois?

Yoga is a form of exercise that's older than Christ, and it has sweet fuck all to do with colonialism.

Ha!  Really? We are comparing the University of Ottawa to a street vendor? And we are comparing Yoga to fries with cheese and gravy?

But sure, if you must. In your analogy it is the street vendor concerned about appropriation. And so rather than stopping selling his product due to such concern he can instead explain where it came from.

Sean in Ottawa

eastnoireast wrote:

that mining plume is terrible.  rivers are so amazing, they get treated like crap.

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yoga - after my first yoga class, i walked out to see my pony.  she looked up, did a big dog-stretch, and walked over to say hi.  i thought, huh.

really, yoga is simply a particular categorization of universal and naturally occurring realities.  like musical scales themselves, western or east indian, say.  

the cultural angle seems a bit much.  i could see a caution based on western tackiness or ungrounded teaching, perhaps, which may be what this is about.

I see this as the point -- and the solution that would be reasonable when using a word like Yoga is to say what it means and where it is from. This is a response to the demand from the university population to the university population. It has nothing to do withy what the Indians think. I don't think they think or care anything about this.

quizzical

i agree Sean. i believe if there was investigation done on the student population in control of the this body who did this silly shit they would find them to be 'christians'.

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