Breaking: CTV News and CBC News both report Andrew Scheer has resigned as leader of the CPC!

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Breaking: CTV News and CBC News both report Andrew Scheer has resigned as leader of the CPC!

Sad! He was the best thing to happen to the left in this county in a long time!

robbie_dee

Time for Doug Ford to make his move?

Unionist

Predictions? I'll lead off: Chrystia Freeland.

Sean in Ottawa

Now we will see if the Conservatives will try to go with a "moderate" leader to try to be more electable or double down on the more right social Conservative drift. This will be the first leadership race with Bernier's party in existence. They may feel the need to stave off a more right party by avoiding a more centrist move or to move closer to the centre in order to get elected. 

It is possible that there is no place they can go without either losing votes on the left or right.

We will likely hear McKay jump in early. It is hard to see if he has the means to win.

We will also see the Kenney wexit play a role as well.

I suspect the Conservatives are in for a tough time.

When they come out of this they could be more united or much worse off. They could be more electable than they are now or more dangerous if they get elected due to a collapse on the part of the Liberals. For this reason there is no good news here.

Bernier could have remained in the Conservative party but burned his bridges.

Other people who may try include Michael Chong, maybe Brad Wall even. I am sure there will be female candidates from both the more nasty and the more moderate ends of the party although I am not sure who is interested at the moment. 

kropotkin1951

Now to go to unfounded rumours. My FB comments say that the review said something about private schools and CPC funds.

Personally I hope they get a nice center of the road leader with appeal in Quebec. It is the lefts best chance in the next election to run against the ideology that both parties accept wholeheartedly. Splitting the Liberal/Tory right wing vote is the key to getting more socialists elected in many parts of the country.

josh

They'll go further to the right is my bet.

robbie_dee

kropotkin1951 wrote:

Personally I hope they get a nice center of the road leader with appeal in Quebec.

Tom Mulcair is available.

Michael Moriarity Michael Moriarity's picture

robbie_dee wrote:

kropotkin1951 wrote:

Personally I hope they get a nice center of the road leader with appeal in Quebec.

Tom Mulcair is available.

Good one. LOL.

josh

Andrew Scheer is resigning as Conservative Party leader amid allegation he used party money to finance his children’s private school tuition.

R.E.Wood

The private school money thing is an issue, but was fully authorized by the party (so they're saying), so couldn't be the only reason. It was another nail in the coffin, along with leaks Scheer may have received from Baird about what is to come when he releases his report. Eventually Scheer saw no other option than to get out.

I'd add Rona Ambrose and Lisa Raitt to the list of potential contenders for the Con leadership. Both would be on the centrist "progressive" side of the party, along with McKay. I'd hazard a guess that if the Cons go with a socially progressive female leader they could stand a chance of winning the next election.

kropotkin1951

Michael Moriarity wrote:

robbie_dee wrote:

kropotkin1951 wrote:

Personally I hope they get a nice center of the road leader with appeal in Quebec.

Tom Mulcair is available.

Good one. LOL.

He had no problem sitting in  the Charest Cabinet so he could be just the ticket they need.

josh

Pierre Poilievre

jerrym

R.E.Wood wrote:

The private school money thing is an issue, but was fully authorized by the party (so they're saying), so couldn't be the only reason. It was another nail in the coffin, along with leaks Scheer may have received from Baird about what is to come when he releases his report. Eventually Scheer saw no other option than to get out.

I'd add Rona Ambrose and Lisa Raitt to the list of potential contenders for the Con leadership. Both would be on the centrist "progressive" side of the party, along with McKay. I'd hazard a guess that if the Cons go with a socially progressive female leader they could stand a chance of winning the next election.

Cory Teneycke, who was leading the public attack against Scheer, said on CBC today that the information that Scheer's children's education was funded through Conservative Party membership contributions was going to come out and that it was inappropriate because it was not public knowledge to have party members donations used for personal use. Teneycke said that when it became very clear to Scheer that this story was going to come out, he resigned within 24 hours. 

ETA: The executive director of the Conservative party says that standard procedure was followed in offering the leader the difference in funding between the expenses incurred between living in his riding and those incurred in living in Ottawa, including those of his children's education.

jerrym

Anthony Koch, a Conservative who started ScheerMustGo# on the internet, says he does not want Scheer to stay as interim leader because of the funding of his children's education with party funds and because Scheer, as interim leader, could tilt the race towards his favourite candidate.

Former Conservative Senator and current member of the Canadian Senators Group Jean-Guy Degenais says that paying for Scheer's children's education was totally inappropriate.

Stockwell Day says that getting rid of Scheer was "A sad day for democracy. ... He was forced out by self-serving 'Tories' ".

This could get very ugly for the Conservatives. 

Misfit Misfit's picture

I think that whoever wins will try to get Bernier to meld his party back in with the Conservative party and offer him a plum position like DPM or Fireign Affairs. I personally think that it will be either Peter McKay or Rona Ambrose.

Misfit Misfit's picture

Brad Wall doesn't speak French.

Misfit Misfit's picture

According to Wiki, Rona Ambrose is a libertarian and likes Ayn Rand books. She is a feminist who has worked around issues of violence against women. She is also fluent in Spanish and Portuguese. Her French skills are weak. She was very competent as Leader of the Oppositoon.

Rona Ambrose Wiki

Debater

robbie_dee wrote:

Time for Doug Ford to make his move?

I think Doug Ford is unelectable federally.  Doesn't speak French, and has already alienated Franco-Ontarians.

And I don't think a Premier would leave only a year & a half into his first term -- it would look very bad.

Mighty Middle

Tom Mulcair was on CTV and calls the issue of Party funds to pay for Scheer's kids schooling a "non-issue" and an Ottawa story. He says there is NOTHING to see here.

He spent the rest of the time during his whole segment praising Andrew Scheer for his performance during the election (and the results he achieved) and bashing Justin Trudeau.

Pondering

Oh yeah, the fellow people still wish had won in 2015. 

Sean in Ottawa

Misfit wrote:

Brad Wall doesn't speak French.

I think the Conservatives will have a leadership race with a number who do not speak French becuase they do not have that many Fire-Breathing Wexit-pleasing candidates who speak French. 

I suspect that what will happen is it will come down to a Western candidate and a more moderate bilingual one and the Bilingual one will say to the Western supporters that selecting a Western unilingual candidate is guaranteeing Trudeau as PM. This could go either way but I suspect the more moderate, bilingual candidate will win in part given that a number of activists that might have helped a more right wing leader win are now with Bernier (even if not many voters followed).

Sean in Ottawa

Debater wrote:

robbie_dee wrote:

Time for Doug Ford to make his move?

I think Doug Ford is unelectable federally.  Doesn't speak French, and has already alienated Franco-Ontarians.

And I don't think a Premier would leave only a year & a half into his first term -- it would look very bad.

Definitely no chance. If they were to go with a unilingual leader it would not be from Ontario. A Unilingual leader could be possible from Sask or Alberta but even there I think it is a longer shot. Also Ford is not a social conservative. I suspect that it will either be a moderate (not Ford) bilingual (not Ford) or a social Conservative, Westerner (not Ford). 

Debater

Rona Ambrose is said to be interested.

And obviously Peter MacKay.

Lisa Raitt would normally run again, but it will be harder without a seat.  And because she lost by a large margin to Adam van Koeverden, it might not be easy to win it back.

If Ambrose becomes leader she can easily find a safe seat in her province of Alberta.

JKR

If he runs I think Peter MacKay is the prohibitive favourite.

Mighty Middle

Debater wrote:

Lisa Raitt would normally run again,

She just said on National TV that she is not interested in the job and will not be running for the leadership

 

Pondering

I don't think MacKay wants to run. 

Does anyone know how the vote will be approached? That is, who chooses who gets to run and who chooses who wins?

Sean in Ottawa

Pondering wrote:

I don't think MacKay wants to run. 

Does anyone know how the vote will be approached? That is, who chooses who gets to run and who chooses who wins?

Why do you think this? I had heard he was laying the groundwork but it is hard to be sure as it could be just people who want him to.

Debater

Mighty Middle wrote:

Debater wrote:

Lisa Raitt would normally run again,

She just said on National TV that she is not interested in the job and will not be running for the leadership

 

That makes sense.  As I said above, she lost her seat, and probably wants a break from politics now.

If she hadn't lost the seat, she might have run again.

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

Whoever takes over is going to be as big or bigger of a prick than Scheer. McKay makes my skin crawl but what if Bernier tries again? And succeeds? Canada will be done like dinner.

kropotkin1951

Until we know how they intend to elect the leader it is hard to predict who will win. If they go to a straight one member one vote then all bets are off. If they go to the weighted voting by riding that they have used in the past that changes the whole dynamics because it means that someone other than a vocal Western oil shill has a chance.

brookmere

jerrym wrote:
ETA: The executive director of the Conservative party says that standard procedure was followed in offering the leader the difference in funding between the expenses incurred between living in his riding and those incurred in living in Ottawa, including those of his children's education.

Scheer went from two residences (Regina and Ottawa), both of which he had to pay for, to one which is free. And he got a big raise when becoming Opposition leader. Also Catholic schools in Ontario cost the same as Catholic schools in Saskatchewan - they are free. It says a lot about Scheer's views that he didn't want his kids educated alongside ordinary fellow Catholics. And I think that's the bigger problem, more than the party chipping in for the private school.

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Conservative Party fires executive director, launches internal review over private-school fees

December 13, 2019

The Conservative Party has fired its executive director and is launching a review of how expenses are handled following revelations the party approved payments for the private school tuition fees of some of Andrew Scheer’s children.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-conservative-party-fires-executive-director-launches-internal-review/

Pondering

Sean in Ottawa wrote:

Pondering wrote:

I don't think MacKay wants to run. 

Does anyone know how the vote will be approached? That is, who chooses who gets to run and who chooses who wins?

Why do you think this? I had heard he was laying the groundwork but it is hard to be sure as it could be just people who want him to.

I think he meant what he said when he left politics and that there is little to no benefit to him to returning for a leadership race which he could lose. Even if he became leader it would be leader of a divided party. They wanted him to run when Harper left.

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bekayne

Debater wrote:

Bernard Lord will not run for leadership of the Conservatives

https://ici.radio-canada.ca/nouvelle/1433622/bernard-lord-ne-sera-pas-candidat-a-la-direction-du-parti-conservateur

Been out of the game too long.

Ken Burch

Debater wrote:

Bernard Lord will not run for leadership of the Conservatives

https://ici.radio-canada.ca/nouvelle/1433622/bernard-lord-ne-sera-pas-candidat-a-la-direction-du-parti-conservateur

It would have been worth it to have him run...if only for the possibility that he might later have renounced his Canadian citizenship, moved to the UK, and been created "Lord Lord" by a future Tory government there.

JKR

Pondering wrote:

Sean in Ottawa wrote:

Pondering wrote:

I don't think MacKay wants to run. 

Does anyone know how the vote will be approached? That is, who chooses who gets to run and who chooses who wins?

Why do you think this? I had heard he was laying the groundwork but it is hard to be sure as it could be just people who want him to.

I think he meant what he said when he left politics and that there is little to no benefit to him to returning for a leadership race which he could lose. Even if he became leader it would be leader of a divided party. They wanted him to run when Harper left.

I think there is a good chance that MacKay would still like to be PM.

quizzical

brookmere wrote:

jerrym wrote:
ETA: The executive director of the Conservative party says that standard procedure was followed in offering the leader the difference in funding between the expenses incurred between living in his riding and those incurred in living in Ottawa, including those of his children's education.

Scheer went from two residences (Regina and Ottawa), both of which he had to pay for, to one which is free. And he got a big raise when becoming Opposition leader. Also Catholic schools in Ontario cost the same as Catholic schools in Saskatchewan - they are free. It says a lot about Scheer's views that he didn't want his kids educated alongside ordinary fellow Catholics. And I think that's the bigger problem, more than the party chipping in for the private school.

 

he lived in the Speaker's mansion and apartment long before he became leader.

his  family wasn't living in Sk nor was he paying any rent prior to moving from the "Farm" to Stornoway. he hasn't paid rent since 2010.

i would bet his children never attended school in Sk in the first place they've been living full time in Ottawa since at least 2010.

the whole thing is tax payer funded in the first place not Conservative.

Pondering

JKR wrote:
Pondering wrote:

Sean in Ottawa wrote:

Pondering wrote:

I don't think MacKay wants to run. 

Does anyone know how the vote will be approached? That is, who chooses who gets to run and who chooses who wins?

Why do you think this? I had heard he was laying the groundwork but it is hard to be sure as it could be just people who want him to.

I think he meant what he said when he left politics and that there is little to no benefit to him to returning for a leadership race which he could lose. Even if he became leader it would be leader of a divided party. They wanted him to run when Harper left.

I think there is a good chance that MacKay would still like to be PM.

But does he want to risk being humiliated by losing either the leadership or the next election? I think not. Nice to be begged to run and to toy with the idea. 

JKR

I think whether he wins or loses MacKay would gain admiration from Conservatives and others for standing up for his ideals and beliefs.

Michael Moriarity Michael Moriarity's picture

JKR wrote:

I think whether he wins or loses MacKay would gain admiration from Conservatives and others for standing up for his ideals and beliefs.

Would those be the same ideals and beliefs that led him to merge the PCs with the Alliance only weeks after he had won the PC leadership by publicly signing a written agreement not to do that very thing?

JKR

I think becoming Conservative leader would give MacKay a chance to create more unity in his party and on the right in general and it would allow him to make some amends to the former PC faction of his party that have often played a junior role within the Conservative Party since its inception. I think most former PC'ers now feel that McKay was right in uniting the right in order for them to regain their electoral competitiveness and to enact right of centre policies which they were able to do during the Harper governments.

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pookie

Lisa's husband is battling early onset Alzheimers and is deteriorating.  I think she means it when she says no.

Rona's partner is a billionaire and she is having an amazing life not having to deal with Cdn politics. She might ultimately be persuaded but I would be surprised.

McKay has always wanted the brass ring.  

Erin O'Toole, Marilyn Gladu are in. 

It must be killing Kenney, but I don't think he will do it.

John Baird is a possibility.

Michael Chong too.

Aristotleded24

pookie wrote:
Lisa's husband is battling early onset Alzheimers and is deteriorating.  I think she means it when she says no.

That's awful. It's a challenge to watch someone you care about going down to Alzheimers, and politics aside, I wish Raitt the best as she goes throug this.

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Maxime Bernier:

Being asked if I will run again for CPC leadership. Zero chance.

The party is morally and intellectually corrupt. Scheer was a weak leader who pushed it to the centre. The next leader will do the same.

I started a principled conservative alternative. I’m sticking to it.

https://twitter.com/MaximeBernier/status/1205210988628398081

nicky

Scheer is resigning having achieved only 33.4in the election.

Shouldn’t the media be discussing Trudeau’s future since he only got 32.1%?

d

Debater writes:

”I think Doug Ford is unelectable federally.  Doesn't speak French, and has already alienated Franco-Ontarians.”

Hell, he doesn’t even speak English.

robbie_dee

josh wrote:

Pierre Poilievre

Ask and ye shall receive.

Debater

Former Harper-era minister Michael Fortier ‘looking very seriously’ at run for Conservative leadership

https://twitter.com/TheHillTimes/status/1206549534316232708

brookmere

nicky wrote:
Scheer is resigning having achieved only 33.4in the election.Shouldn’t the media be discussing Trudeau’s future since he only got 32.1%?

Who's PM? Who isn't? Why?

Pondering

I have no doubt there are knives out for Trudeau within the party. Some must believe him to be mortally wounded even though he managed a minority. At the very least people are speculating on who could replace him. 

Tom Mulcair said that Peter MacKay's French is terrible. He can barely read out a prepared statement. 

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