Breaking: CTV News and CBC News both report Andrew Scheer has resigned as leader of the CPC!

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So is Trudeau's bestie, his Deputy PM, packing a knife?

kropotkin1951

If the Conservatives use the same weighted voting system all bets are off as too who emerges as the leader. Scheer after all only beat Bernier by less than 2%. A riding in Montreal with whatever number of members gets the same weight as a riding in Calgary. So if the social conservatives in Canada are planning on getting their candidate elected as leader they will be targeting ridings for membership drives, led by the fascist Christian churches, where the Conservative presence is small .

259,010 party members were eligible to vote in the leadership contest.[5] 141,000 members cast a vote. According to raw voting figures, Scheer received 62,593 votes on the final ballot compared to 55,544 votes for Bernier with 23,000 voters who had voted in the first round ranking neither Scheer or Bernier in their ranked ballot. Votes were apportioned among ridings so that each riding was allocated 100 points, regardless of the number of voters, resulting in 17,222.20 points (50.95%) for Scheer and 16,577.80 points (49.05%) for Bernier.[6]

bekayne

Pondering wrote:
 

Tom Mulcair said that Peter MacKay's French is terrible. He can barely read out a prepared statement. 

Pete's not much better in English.

kropotkin1951

bekayne wrote:

Pondering wrote:
 

Tom Mulcair said that Peter MacKay's French is terrible. He can barely read out a prepared statement. 

Pete's not much better in English.

Tom's French is good and he would make a great red Tory candidate.

bekayne

kropotkin1951 wrote:

bekayne wrote:

Pondering wrote:
 

Tom Mulcair said that Peter MacKay's French is terrible. He can barely read out a prepared statement. 

Pete's not much better in English.

Tom's French is good and he would make a great red Tory candidate.

He's no Stanfield.

Pondering

kropotkin1951 wrote:

If the Conservatives use the same weighted voting system all bets are off as too who emerges as the leader. Scheer after all only beat Bernier by less than 2%. A riding in Montreal with whatever number of members gets the same weight as a riding in Calgary. So if the social conservatives in Canada are planning on getting their candidate elected as leader they will be targeting ridings for membership drives, led by the fascist Christian churches, where the Conservative presence is small .

259,010 party members were eligible to vote in the leadership contest.[5] 141,000 members cast a vote. According to raw voting figures, Scheer received 62,593 votes on the final ballot compared to 55,544 votes for Bernier with 23,000 voters who had voted in the first round ranking neither Scheer or Bernier in their ranked ballot. Votes were apportioned among ridings so that each riding was allocated 100 points, regardless of the number of voters, resulting in 17,222.20 points (50.95%) for Scheer and 16,577.80 points (49.05%) for Bernier.[6]

My guess is they will use the same system. To do otherwise would be too controversial. When you say "all bets are off" what do you mean? That either side could win? How do you see the "sides"? 

I think it is pretty accepted that for the Conservatives to win nationally they have to back away from social conservatism. If a more centrist leader is chosen, do you think social Conservatives (both party members and voters) will accept and still support the Conservative Party? How powerful are social conservatives? Big enough to take the party down? 

josh

Canadians believe former Conservative interim leader Rona Ambrose has a strong “winnability” factor as a potential successor to Andrew Scheer at the helm of the party, a new poll from the DART & Maru/Blue polling group suggests.

The survey found that among several prominent suggested candidates, Ambrose has the perceived leadership qualities and name recognition that make her the person most able to beat Prime Minister Justin Trudeau in a federal election.

https://beta.canada.com/news/politics/rona-ambrose-is-the-most-electable-potential-conservative-leadership-candidate-early-poll-says/wcm/1bb44941-4582-4b4d-9324-3408e256feb1/

NorthReport

Yup

Private schools and public money are a bad mix

The real scandal isn't that Conservative donors subsidized the Scheer's household expenses — it's that taxpayers refunded half the donors' money

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/chris-selley-private-schools-and-public-money-are-a-bad-mix

Debater

Jean Charest considering run for Conservative Party leadership, Radio-Canada reports.

https://twitter.com/CBCAlerts/status/1207373949295828993

Sean in Ottawa

Mulcair says Charest is running which makes McKay irrelevant. If this is the case McKay probably will not run as he would not win.

Debater

Charest is from the red tory side of the spectrum which would be interesting.

The 2 challenges for him that I see:

1.  He's been out of politics for quite a while.

2.  He's 61 now and would probably be the oldest of the candidates, and it might be a disadvantage at a time when federal politics is shifting to a younger generation.

Sean in Ottawa

Debater wrote:

Charest is from the red tory side of the spectrum which would be interesting.

The 2 challenges for him that I see:

1.  He's been out of politics for quite a while.

2.  He's 61 now and would probably be the oldest of the candidates, and it might be a disadvantage at a time when federal politics is shifting to a younger generation.

I was surprised to hear this given his age but I can see why he is intriguing for them.

Debater

Global News has learned the Conservative National Council is asking questions about how and where Andrew Scheer's office spent over $900,000 charged to the party. Sources say that's about $700,000 higher than the usual amount

https://twitter.com/MercedesGlobal/status/1207433761576624128

Debater

Top Tories probing over $900K in Scheer office expenses

December 18, 2019

https://globalnews.ca/news/6309296/andrew-scheer-office-expenses/

Pondering

They are after more than just Scheer. Is it a coup?

Sean in Ottawa

Pondering wrote:

They are after more than just Scheer. Is it a coup?

There will be a war over who gets to control this party on a number of fronts: this includes regional factions, religious factions, generational factions, social conservativesm, libertarianism, anti-immigrant, centre-red-Toryism, possibly even soemone willing to accept the idea of human-caused climate change... In other words same stuff. 

This war is being fought over the same ground as the NDP wars: how true to what you really want can you be and still win an election? Is it worth screaming about what you want from the opposition or do you compromise enough to reach the people and win?

At least in the NDP the politics of what you want are actually of benefit to the people so it is more about going slower than going in a different direction.

Ken Burch Ken Burch's picture

bekayne wrote:

kropotkin1951 wrote:

bekayne wrote:

Pondering wrote:
 

Tom Mulcair said that Peter MacKay's French is terrible. He can barely read out a prepared statement. 

Pete's not much better in English.

Tom's French is good and he would make a great red Tory candidate.

He's no Stanfield.

Oh, SNAP!

Sean in Ottawa

Ken Burch wrote:

bekayne wrote:

kropotkin1951 wrote:

bekayne wrote:

Pondering wrote:
 

Tom Mulcair said that Peter MacKay's French is terrible. He can barely read out a prepared statement. 

Pete's not much better in English.

Tom's French is good and he would make a great red Tory candidate.

He's no Stanfield.

Oh, SNAP!

His red hair is kinda grey now

Pondering

Sean in Ottawa wrote:

Pondering wrote:

They are after more than just Scheer. Is it a coup?

There will be a war over who gets to control this party on a number of fronts: this includes regional factions, religious factions, generational factions, social conservativesm, libertarianism, anti-immigrant, centre-red-Toryism, possibly even soemone willing to accept the idea of human-caused climate change... In other words same stuff. 

Same stuff that led to the Reform Party and the Canadian Alliance? You're totally right on the factions. It isn't as simple as social conservative vs libertarian and just don't care. All those other factions overlap each other. 

Even so in the end they can only pick one leader who is likely going to be a well-known member within the Conservative Party.  

Sean in Ottawa

Pondering wrote:

Sean in Ottawa wrote:

Pondering wrote:

They are after more than just Scheer. Is it a coup?

There will be a war over who gets to control this party on a number of fronts: this includes regional factions, religious factions, generational factions, social conservativesm, libertarianism, anti-immigrant, centre-red-Toryism, possibly even soemone willing to accept the idea of human-caused climate change... In other words same stuff. 

Same stuff that led to the Reform Party and the Canadian Alliance? You're totally right on the factions. It isn't as simple as social conservative vs libertarian and just don't care. All those other factions overlap each other. 

Even so in the end they can only pick one leader who is likely going to be a well-known member within the Conservative Party.  

Yes and of course every factional divide is a two headed best with for and against movements. 

In the end it is one messy movement if you know what I mean.

cco

Debater wrote:

Charest is from the red tory side of the spectrum which would be interesting.

The 2 challenges for him that I see:

1.  He's been out of politics for quite a while.

2.  He's 61 now and would probably be the oldest of the candidates, and it might be a disadvantage at a time when federal politics is shifting to a younger generation.

Do they think Charest gets them Québec? He's not exactly popular here, and he's still a little too Québécois to be popular in the west. Maybe the idea is that he looks good to Ontario, in the same way Chrétien swept there while the Bloc dominated in Québec.

Ken Burch Ken Burch's picture

Sean in Ottawa wrote:

Pondering wrote:

Sean in Ottawa wrote:

Pondering wrote:

They are after more than just Scheer. Is it a coup?

There will be a war over who gets to control this party on a number of fronts: this includes regional factions, religious factions, generational factions, social conservativesm, libertarianism, anti-immigrant, centre-red-Toryism, possibly even soemone willing to accept the idea of human-caused climate change... In other words same stuff. 

Same stuff that led to the Reform Party and the Canadian Alliance? You're totally right on the factions. It isn't as simple as social conservative vs libertarian and just don't care. All those other factions overlap each other. 

Even so in the end they can only pick one leader who is likely going to be a well-known member within the Conservative Party.  

Yes and of course every factional divide is a two headed best with for and against movements. 

In the end it is one messy movement if you know what I mean.

We know what you mean-but nobody wanted that visual.

quizzical

i read Harper is coming back to head "his party".

josh
NDPP

Stephen Harper Resigns From the Conservative Fund Board to Block Jean Charest

https://www.macleans.ca/politics/ottawa/stephen-harper-resigns-from-the-...

"Sources say the former PM's main goal behind his abrupt resignation is to free himself to counter Charest's leadership bid."

NorthReport

And the new leader will be Peter MacKay. It's a wrap!

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