Breaking: CTV News and CBC News both report Andrew Scheer has resigned as leader of the CPC!

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So is Trudeau's bestie, his Deputy PM, packing a knife?

kropotkin1951

If the Conservatives use the same weighted voting system all bets are off as too who emerges as the leader. Scheer after all only beat Bernier by less than 2%. A riding in Montreal with whatever number of members gets the same weight as a riding in Calgary. So if the social conservatives in Canada are planning on getting their candidate elected as leader they will be targeting ridings for membership drives, led by the fascist Christian churches, where the Conservative presence is small .

259,010 party members were eligible to vote in the leadership contest.[5] 141,000 members cast a vote. According to raw voting figures, Scheer received 62,593 votes on the final ballot compared to 55,544 votes for Bernier with 23,000 voters who had voted in the first round ranking neither Scheer or Bernier in their ranked ballot. Votes were apportioned among ridings so that each riding was allocated 100 points, regardless of the number of voters, resulting in 17,222.20 points (50.95%) for Scheer and 16,577.80 points (49.05%) for Bernier.[6]

bekayne

Pondering wrote:
 

Tom Mulcair said that Peter MacKay's French is terrible. He can barely read out a prepared statement. 

Pete's not much better in English.

kropotkin1951

bekayne wrote:

Pondering wrote:
 

Tom Mulcair said that Peter MacKay's French is terrible. He can barely read out a prepared statement. 

Pete's not much better in English.

Tom's French is good and he would make a great red Tory candidate.

bekayne

kropotkin1951 wrote:

bekayne wrote:

Pondering wrote:
 

Tom Mulcair said that Peter MacKay's French is terrible. He can barely read out a prepared statement. 

Pete's not much better in English.

Tom's French is good and he would make a great red Tory candidate.

He's no Stanfield.

Pondering

kropotkin1951 wrote:

If the Conservatives use the same weighted voting system all bets are off as too who emerges as the leader. Scheer after all only beat Bernier by less than 2%. A riding in Montreal with whatever number of members gets the same weight as a riding in Calgary. So if the social conservatives in Canada are planning on getting their candidate elected as leader they will be targeting ridings for membership drives, led by the fascist Christian churches, where the Conservative presence is small .

259,010 party members were eligible to vote in the leadership contest.[5] 141,000 members cast a vote. According to raw voting figures, Scheer received 62,593 votes on the final ballot compared to 55,544 votes for Bernier with 23,000 voters who had voted in the first round ranking neither Scheer or Bernier in their ranked ballot. Votes were apportioned among ridings so that each riding was allocated 100 points, regardless of the number of voters, resulting in 17,222.20 points (50.95%) for Scheer and 16,577.80 points (49.05%) for Bernier.[6]

My guess is they will use the same system. To do otherwise would be too controversial. When you say "all bets are off" what do you mean? That either side could win? How do you see the "sides"? 

I think it is pretty accepted that for the Conservatives to win nationally they have to back away from social conservatism. If a more centrist leader is chosen, do you think social Conservatives (both party members and voters) will accept and still support the Conservative Party? How powerful are social conservatives? Big enough to take the party down? 

josh

Canadians believe former Conservative interim leader Rona Ambrose has a strong “winnability” factor as a potential successor to Andrew Scheer at the helm of the party, a new poll from the DART & Maru/Blue polling group suggests.

The survey found that among several prominent suggested candidates, Ambrose has the perceived leadership qualities and name recognition that make her the person most able to beat Prime Minister Justin Trudeau in a federal election.

https://beta.canada.com/news/politics/rona-ambrose-is-the-most-electable-potential-conservative-leadership-candidate-early-poll-says/wcm/1bb44941-4582-4b4d-9324-3408e256feb1/

NorthReport

Yup

Private schools and public money are a bad mix

The real scandal isn't that Conservative donors subsidized the Scheer's household expenses — it's that taxpayers refunded half the donors' money

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/chris-selley-private-schools-and-public-money-are-a-bad-mix

Debater

Jean Charest considering run for Conservative Party leadership, Radio-Canada reports.

https://twitter.com/CBCAlerts/status/1207373949295828993

Sean in Ottawa

Mulcair says Charest is running which makes McKay irrelevant. If this is the case McKay probably will not run as he would not win.

Debater

Charest is from the red tory side of the spectrum which would be interesting.

The 2 challenges for him that I see:

1.  He's been out of politics for quite a while.

2.  He's 61 now and would probably be the oldest of the candidates, and it might be a disadvantage at a time when federal politics is shifting to a younger generation.

Sean in Ottawa

Debater wrote:

Charest is from the red tory side of the spectrum which would be interesting.

The 2 challenges for him that I see:

1.  He's been out of politics for quite a while.

2.  He's 61 now and would probably be the oldest of the candidates, and it might be a disadvantage at a time when federal politics is shifting to a younger generation.

I was surprised to hear this given his age but I can see why he is intriguing for them.

Debater

Global News has learned the Conservative National Council is asking questions about how and where Andrew Scheer's office spent over $900,000 charged to the party. Sources say that's about $700,000 higher than the usual amount

https://twitter.com/MercedesGlobal/status/1207433761576624128

Debater

Top Tories probing over $900K in Scheer office expenses

December 18, 2019

https://globalnews.ca/news/6309296/andrew-scheer-office-expenses/

Pondering

They are after more than just Scheer. Is it a coup?

Sean in Ottawa

Pondering wrote:

They are after more than just Scheer. Is it a coup?

There will be a war over who gets to control this party on a number of fronts: this includes regional factions, religious factions, generational factions, social conservativesm, libertarianism, anti-immigrant, centre-red-Toryism, possibly even soemone willing to accept the idea of human-caused climate change... In other words same stuff. 

This war is being fought over the same ground as the NDP wars: how true to what you really want can you be and still win an election? Is it worth screaming about what you want from the opposition or do you compromise enough to reach the people and win?

At least in the NDP the politics of what you want are actually of benefit to the people so it is more about going slower than going in a different direction.

Ken Burch

bekayne wrote:

kropotkin1951 wrote:

bekayne wrote:

Pondering wrote:
 

Tom Mulcair said that Peter MacKay's French is terrible. He can barely read out a prepared statement. 

Pete's not much better in English.

Tom's French is good and he would make a great red Tory candidate.

He's no Stanfield.

Oh, SNAP!

Sean in Ottawa

Ken Burch wrote:

bekayne wrote:

kropotkin1951 wrote:

bekayne wrote:

Pondering wrote:
 

Tom Mulcair said that Peter MacKay's French is terrible. He can barely read out a prepared statement. 

Pete's not much better in English.

Tom's French is good and he would make a great red Tory candidate.

He's no Stanfield.

Oh, SNAP!

His red hair is kinda grey now

Pondering

Sean in Ottawa wrote:

Pondering wrote:

They are after more than just Scheer. Is it a coup?

There will be a war over who gets to control this party on a number of fronts: this includes regional factions, religious factions, generational factions, social conservativesm, libertarianism, anti-immigrant, centre-red-Toryism, possibly even soemone willing to accept the idea of human-caused climate change... In other words same stuff. 

Same stuff that led to the Reform Party and the Canadian Alliance? You're totally right on the factions. It isn't as simple as social conservative vs libertarian and just don't care. All those other factions overlap each other. 

Even so in the end they can only pick one leader who is likely going to be a well-known member within the Conservative Party.  

Sean in Ottawa

Pondering wrote:

Sean in Ottawa wrote:

Pondering wrote:

They are after more than just Scheer. Is it a coup?

There will be a war over who gets to control this party on a number of fronts: this includes regional factions, religious factions, generational factions, social conservativesm, libertarianism, anti-immigrant, centre-red-Toryism, possibly even soemone willing to accept the idea of human-caused climate change... In other words same stuff. 

Same stuff that led to the Reform Party and the Canadian Alliance? You're totally right on the factions. It isn't as simple as social conservative vs libertarian and just don't care. All those other factions overlap each other. 

Even so in the end they can only pick one leader who is likely going to be a well-known member within the Conservative Party.  

Yes and of course every factional divide is a two headed best with for and against movements. 

In the end it is one messy movement if you know what I mean.

cco

Debater wrote:

Charest is from the red tory side of the spectrum which would be interesting.

The 2 challenges for him that I see:

1.  He's been out of politics for quite a while.

2.  He's 61 now and would probably be the oldest of the candidates, and it might be a disadvantage at a time when federal politics is shifting to a younger generation.

Do they think Charest gets them Québec? He's not exactly popular here, and he's still a little too Québécois to be popular in the west. Maybe the idea is that he looks good to Ontario, in the same way Chrétien swept there while the Bloc dominated in Québec.

Ken Burch

Sean in Ottawa wrote:

Pondering wrote:

Sean in Ottawa wrote:

Pondering wrote:

They are after more than just Scheer. Is it a coup?

There will be a war over who gets to control this party on a number of fronts: this includes regional factions, religious factions, generational factions, social conservativesm, libertarianism, anti-immigrant, centre-red-Toryism, possibly even soemone willing to accept the idea of human-caused climate change... In other words same stuff. 

Same stuff that led to the Reform Party and the Canadian Alliance? You're totally right on the factions. It isn't as simple as social conservative vs libertarian and just don't care. All those other factions overlap each other. 

Even so in the end they can only pick one leader who is likely going to be a well-known member within the Conservative Party.  

Yes and of course every factional divide is a two headed best with for and against movements. 

In the end it is one messy movement if you know what I mean.

We know what you mean-but nobody wanted that visual.

quizzical

i read Harper is coming back to head "his party".

josh
NDPP

Stephen Harper Resigns From the Conservative Fund Board to Block Jean Charest

https://www.macleans.ca/politics/ottawa/stephen-harper-resigns-from-the-...

"Sources say the former PM's main goal behind his abrupt resignation is to free himself to counter Charest's leadership bid."

NorthReport

And the new leader will be Peter MacKay. It's a wrap!

Debater

Jean Charest won’t seek Tory leadership

Jan 21 2020

https://www.nationalnewswatch.com/2020/01/21/newsalert-jean-charest-wont-seek-tory-leadership/

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Jean Charest ne sera pas candidat à la direction du Parti conservateur

https://ici.radio-canada.ca/nouvelle/1483923/jean-charest-pas-candidat-direction-parti-conservateur

JKR

NorthReport wrote:

And the new leader will be Peter MacKay. It's a wrap!

I think you are most likely right.

Misfit Misfit's picture

JKR wrote:

NorthReport wrote:

And the new leader will be Peter MacKay. It's a wrap!

I think you are most likely right.

How is his French? Then there's the F-35 that he was trying to shove down our throats. There was his helicopter flight scandal. I sincerely hope that people don't forget. If his French is pretty bad then I say look for someone else.

I don't necessarily think that he is an automatic winner.

 

laine lowe laine lowe's picture

I'm happy Jean Charest is stepping down. He really would have changed the perception of what the Conservative Party of Canada is and made it far more palatable for many Canadians. Peter McKay is too much of a dunce and frankly a traitor to the old school Progressive Conservatives to be a slam dunk.

 

Misfit Misfit's picture

laine lowe wrote:

I'm happy Jean Charest is stepping down. He really would have changed the perception of what the Conservative Party of Canada is and made it far more palatable for many Canadians. Peter McKay is too much of a dunce and frankly a traitor to the old school Progressive Conservatives to be a slam dunk.

 

Agreed!

Here is an article on him...Article.

I actually see him as a liability to the party. There is too much baggage that comes with him. And again, if his French isn't up to par then there are potential hopefuls who do meet the language criteria. Maybe his French is good. I don't know

quizzical

social Conservatives want PP. won't accept anyone else.  they believe they can steal the Bloc vote with him as leader.

Sean in Ottawa

quizzical wrote:

social Conservatives want PP. won't accept anyone else.  they believe they can steal the Bloc vote with him as leader.

I do not think that Polievre can take Liberal votes on the centre. Sure he can take sme of Bernier's handful of supporters but what else can he do?

I also think that he will make more people to come out and vote -- against him -- and this is the political strategy now. Support is so polarized that it does not change as much as the decision to vote. Elections will be won or lost on whether or not your potential support stays home and not on poeple crossing the divide. It will also be won or lost on the conflict between the NDP and Liberals. Neither party has a path to victory that does not drive over the other party. 

This is one of the reasons I am not very respectful to Liberal appeals for NDP voters -- both parties know that the competition between the Liberals and NDP is greater than that between either and the Conservatives. The Liberals suck up progressive support and offer a great deal less than they promised and this is the election dynamic we are in.

Of course I so want proportional representation which is the only way you can hold this dynamic back.

 

Debater

Pierre Poilievre will not run for Conservative leadership

Thursday, January 23, 2020

OTTAWA -- Longtime Conservative MP Pierre Poilievre will not seek party leadership, CTV News has learned.

Poilievre was set to run for the party’s top job, as CTV News first reported on Jan. 7.

Former Conservative cabinet minister John Baird was assigned to chair Poilievre’s campaign and Jenni Byrne, a former senior adviser for Stephen Harper, would take on an advisory role.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/pierre-poilievre-will-not-run-for-conservative-leadership-1.4780807

JKR

Misfit wrote:

JKR wrote:

NorthReport wrote:

And the new leader will be Peter MacKay. It's a wrap!

I think you are most likely right.

How is his French? Then there's the F-35 that he was trying to shove down our throats. There was his helicopter flight scandal. I sincerely hope that people don't forget. If his French is pretty bad then I say look for someone else.

I don't necessarily think that he is an automatic winner.

I think a few of the leading candidates have already dropped out to make way for MacKay. Maybe Harper's backing MacKay behind the scenes? I think MacKay is seen by many Conservatives as being a unifying leader.

pookie

Seems to me the CPC plan is backfiring a bit.  They instituted very steep thresholds thinking there would be a plethora of candidates and they wanted to dissuade the nutters and pave the way for Ambrose.

With Ambrose out, those thresholds will pose real obstacles to fairly unknown candidates who might be effective.

I'm struck by how much this now resembles 2017.  Except for Mackay....who left the party to make oodles of cash on Bay Street and live in Rosedale.  So...good?

Sean in Ottawa

pookie wrote:

Seems to me the CPC plan is backfiring a bit.  They instituted very steep thresholds thinking there would be a plethora of candidates and they wanted to dissuade the nutters and pave the way for Ambrose.

With Ambrose out, those thresholds will pose real obstacles to fairly unknown candidates who might be effective.

I'm struck by how much this now resembles 2017.  Except for Mackay....who left the party to make oodles of cash on Bay Street and live in Rosedale.  So...good?

It may be working perfectly. They are trying to reduce the competition so the party does not have as much of an in-fight. Quick - avoid the dirty laundry. If it is too easy then too many will come in just to promote whatever brand of conservativsim they want -- including the completely unelectable who will embarass the party.

they want to avoid the kind of clood letting that resulted in any-but-this person campaigns that just damaged the party such as what we saw in 2017.

I think the party now wants to avoid discussion and get somethign quick that they can paper over.

Not good for Canada but good for that party.

Debater

JKR wrote:

Misfit wrote:

JKR wrote:

NorthReport wrote:

And the new leader will be Peter MacKay. It's a wrap!

I think you are most likely right.

How is his French? Then there's the F-35 that he was trying to shove down our throats. There was his helicopter flight scandal. I sincerely hope that people don't forget. If his French is pretty bad then I say look for someone else.

I don't necessarily think that he is an automatic winner.

I think a few of the leading candidates have already dropped out to make way for MacKay. Maybe Harper's backing MacKay behind the scenes? I think MacKay is seen by many Conservatives as being a unifying leader.

MacKay could be a unifying leader in some ways, such as by bringing back red tories & blue liberals who voted Liberal in previous elections because of the right-wing slant of the party under Harper & Scheer.

On the other hand, MacKay is not fluent in French, is not the sharpest tool in the shed and has a history of misogynist comments about women.  So the next election is a question mark.

Misfit Misfit's picture

Debater wrote:

JKR wrote:

Misfit wrote:

JKR wrote:

NorthReport wrote:

And the new leader will be Peter MacKay. It's a wrap!

I think you are most likely right.

How is his French? Then there's the F-35 that he was trying to shove down our throats. There was his helicopter flight scandal. I sincerely hope that people don't forget. If his French is pretty bad then I say look for someone else.

I don't necessarily think that he is an automatic winner.

I think a few of the leading candidates have already dropped out to make way for MacKay. Maybe Harper's backing MacKay behind the scenes? I think MacKay is seen by many Conservatives as being a unifying leader.

MacKay could be a unifying leader in some ways, such as by bringing back red tories & blue liberals who voted Liberal in previous elections because of the right-wing slant of the party under Harper & Scheer.

On the other hand, MacKay is not fluent in French, is not the sharpest tool in the shed and has a history of misogynist comments about women.  So the next election is a question mark.

 

I personally detest the guy. If his baggage can hurt the Conservative party then good. I hope he gets elected. Unfortunately, most Canadians disagree with the way I see things and he could end up winning the next election. I never did like Justin Trudeau and I see Peter McKay as another undeserving leadership hopeful. In fact, I'd rather have JT over this guy. I wish that both parties would come up with better.

Oh, and Rona Ambrose is a libertarian wanna be btw. Her French is pretty bad too.

Sean in Ottawa

Misfit wrote:

Debater wrote:

JKR wrote:

Misfit wrote:

JKR wrote:

NorthReport wrote:

And the new leader will be Peter MacKay. It's a wrap!

I think you are most likely right.

How is his French? Then there's the F-35 that he was trying to shove down our throats. There was his helicopter flight scandal. I sincerely hope that people don't forget. If his French is pretty bad then I say look for someone else.

I don't necessarily think that he is an automatic winner.

I think a few of the leading candidates have already dropped out to make way for MacKay. Maybe Harper's backing MacKay behind the scenes? I think MacKay is seen by many Conservatives as being a unifying leader.

MacKay could be a unifying leader in some ways, such as by bringing back red tories & blue liberals who voted Liberal in previous elections because of the right-wing slant of the party under Harper & Scheer.

On the other hand, MacKay is not fluent in French, is not the sharpest tool in the shed and has a history of misogynist comments about women.  So the next election is a question mark.

 

I personally detest the guy. If his baggage can hurt the Conservative party then good. I hope he gets elected. Unfortunately, most Canadians disagree with the way I see things and he could end up winning the next election. I never did like Justin Trudeau and I see Peter McKay as another undeserving leadership hopeful. In fact, I'd rather have JT over this guy. I wish that both parties would come up with better.

Oh, and Rona Ambrose is a libertarian wanna be btw. Her French is pretty bad too.

I stopped thinking in terms of hoping other patries take a bad candidate. After Stephen Harper, I had to admit that I could not accurately predict a candidate who could not be elected. 

josh

Debater wrote:

Pierre Poilievre will not run for Conservative leadership

Thursday, January 23, 2020

OTTAWA -- Longtime Conservative MP Pierre Poilievre will not seek party leadership, CTV News has learned.

Poilievre was set to run for the party’s top job, as CTV News first reported on Jan. 7.

Former Conservative cabinet minister John Baird was assigned to chair Poilievre’s campaign and Jenni Byrne, a former senior adviser for Stephen Harper, would take on an advisory role.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/pierre-poilievre-will-not-run-for-conservative-leadership-1.4780807

 

That's good news.

Debater

Bernard Drainville listened to Peter MacKay's leadership launch today and says he has "atrocious French":

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I listened to Peter MacKay launch his leadership campaign for the @PCC_HQ.   Atrocious French.   The guy can't even read French text on the teleprompter!  How can you get so unprepared for your leadership campaign launch? It's beyond me.

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J’ai écouté @PeterMacKay lancer sa campagne au leadership pour le @PCC_HQ.  Français atroce.  Le gars peut même pas lire un texte en français sur le télésouffleur!  Comment peux-tu arriver si peu préparé à ton lancement de campagne au leadership?  Ça me dépasse.

https://twitter.com/drainvillepm/status/1221113921798537217

Misfit Misfit's picture

The Conservative party is full of white males who feel entitled to lead a national party without knowing  how to speak one of the nation's major languages.

Just another Conservative who feels entitled and deserving.

Debater

I agree.  MacKay is a typical entitled hetero white Conservative male.

He's a fratboy type.  Already trying to come across as "masculine" by saying he plays hockey while Trudeau does yoga.

Ken Burch

Yeah, nothing more exclusively masculine than hockey:

josh

Erin O'Toole launches Conservative leadership bid, promises to be the 'true blue' candidate

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/erin-otoole-conservative-leadership-bid-1.5441642

Debater
josh

Science doesn't confirm 'biological' component to being gay, Tory leadership hopeful says

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/science-doesn-t-confirm-biological-component-to-being-gay-tory-leadership-hopeful-says-1.4789014

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