Canada federal election October 21, 2019 part 2

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Sean in Ottawa

Badriya wrote:

The article in the by Andrew Cohen in the Ottawa Citizen was definitely an interesting read.  The point I found the most telling was the following, which is consistent with the main message in the G & M article Paul Wells referred to above.  In that article Trudeau was supposed to be the face of the government, while Butts was supposed to be the policy guy and Telford the person who ran the PMO.  Trudeau is not strong on policy or administration.

To my friend, Trudeau was an imposter. He was a lightweight, an amateur, a poseur. He said, my friend did, that he had faced other opposition critics in his portfolio, and he respected them all – except Trudeau. He said Trudeau never understood or grasped the portfolio, which was immigration.

The universal problem with celebrity politicians....

NorthReport

 

Better late than never I suppose, but our Canadian government is acting way too slow for today's fast paced life. How many years now has that garbage mess in the Philippines been festering!

Canada banning oil, gas and mining from marine protected areas

https://www.nationalnewswatch.com/2019/04/25/canada-banning-oil-gas-and-mining-from-marine-protected-areas-3/#.XMHUxflKiUm

Pondering

Coincidentally I was just referring to Trudeau as front man for the Liberals. Before being elected PM, maybe before being elected leader of the Liberals, Trudeau referred to himself as a retail politician, and that is exactly what he is. 

There is often frustration here about leaders having too much power over their respective parties but I think in actual fact they don't, not even Harper. They are portrayed as such to appear strong because a strong party has to be fronted by a strong leader. 

Civil servants under PMO staff does the actually work of running government and making decisions with the exception of top level ministers like Monreau and Freeland who are actual decision makers. They don't ask Trudeau they inform him. Staff devises talking points. 

It does not take a pundit to tell us that Trudeau isn't a policy or administration guy. He has a decent educational record. He has a university degree, taught high school for a couple of years and then made unreasonable amounts of money to give speeches about youth. 

Trump is a retail politician who doesn't listen to his advisors. Trudeau is a retail politician who does. Trudeau really does make decisions but he is guided into those decisions by the backroom. 

It was reported that Butts (or some other advisor) came up with the "because it's 2015" line that Trudeau then chose to use. He never claimed to have come up with it so can't be accused of lying but few people know it wasn't his line. 

It's handy for parties to have the leader take the fall for everything bad. The leader will be protected only until they are no longer an asset then they are discarded along with their baggage. Then most people feel the new leader should be given a chance if the party is one they consider voting for. 

NorthReport

Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha!

Gotta love it!

No guarantee of federal decision on Trans Mountain pipeline before election

 

https://www.nationalnewswatch.com/2019/04/25/no-guarantee-of-federal-decision-on-trans-mountain-pipeline-before-election-sohi/#.XMISajBKiUk

NorthReport

Looks like no one is in control of the Liberals any more.

 

Liberal Party refunds cost of tickets after U.S. cannabis CEO attends fundraiser

 

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-ceo-of-us-firm-selling-cannabis-technology-attended-1600-liberal/

NorthReport

Not bad!

Trudeau and Kenney: Well, this was coming

While Kenney's opposition to Trudeau's carbon-tax and rebate mechanism is a challenge for the Prime Minister, it is multiply precedented

https://www.macleans.ca/politics/ottawa/trudeau-and-kenney-well-this-was-coming/

NorthReport

Sad indeed!

Trudeau government panders to fears of an invasion of refugees

http://www.rabble.ca/news/2019/04/trudeau-government-panders-fears-invasion-refugees

NorthReport

Thank you to Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and his family today for pitching in today with sandbagging efforts, and for also being a good role model in encouraging other Canadians to help their neighbours in a time of crisis.  The people complaining should have thanked Justin and his kids, but they might be of another political persuasion and might have purposely been sent there to disrupt the event.

Trudeau confronted by frustrated volunteer while filling sandbags

https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/trudeau-confronted-by-frustrated-volunteer-while-filling-sandbags-1.4398189 

WWWTT

That a boy Justin, keep encouraging people to work for nothing while you make about 1000 dollars a day with all kinds of benefits on top off that while filling those sand bags! Useless circus freek side show will do anything for a photo opp now the liberals are polling behind the conservatives. 

cco

NorthReport wrote:

Thank you to Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and his family today for pitching in today with sandbagging efforts, and for also being a good role model in encouraging other Canadians to help their neighbours in a time of crisis. 

I don't understand this perspective. The prime minister of the country (or even a city councillor) has more important things to do than fill sandbags for the cameras. Not to mention the "help your neighbours through crisis" messaging portrays the government as helpless to do anything but be a good neighbour, when in reality the federal government could spend money on flood control engineering and a meaningful climate strategy to help head off more of these thousand-year floods.

Over here in Montréal, Autoroute 20 is closed heading off the island because the Pont Galipeault is flooded. Seeing Trudeau or any other elected official there doing a photo op would be utterly unhelpful. I'd rather he do his job. If we're just resigned to the fact there's going to be catastrophic flooding every year, then let's have a more systematic way to handle it. Apparently that's what the Canadian armed forces are for these days – natural disaster response.

Pondering

NorthReport wrote:

Thank you to Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and his family today for pitching in today with sandbagging efforts, and for also being a good role model in encouraging other Canadians to help their neighbours in a time of crisis.  The people complaining should have thanked Justin and his kids, but they might be of another political persuasion and might have purposely been sent there to disrupt the event.

Trudeau confronted by frustrated volunteer while filling sandbags

https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/trudeau-confronted-by-frustrated-volunteer-while-filling-sandbags-1.4398189 

This is interesting because it is the third example to my recall and there might be more. Trudeau is highly scripted but when he is challenged unexpectedly by people he responds aggressively. 

Besides this there is the case of the indigenous protester at that dinner and another I recall in that he called a woman racist for questioning who would pay the costs of refugee claimants. 

Quite the contrast to him sitting on the steps of parliament to talk with a teen. 

A pattern of snide remarks to ordinary people, especially if they are recorded, could hurt him more than issues like P3s. Being rich is fine. Not having entirely sunny ways after being in power for 4 years is fine. Put downs in reaction to citizens expressing valid concerns is not so fine. Individually they can be brushed off as isolated mistakes but they seem to be adding up. 

pietro_bcc

Lets be real, he wasn't "helping" or "bringing attention to the floods" people are already aware of the floods and are already helping their neighbors. It was a photo op, I know that Trudeau isn't the only politician that uses human tragedy as a photo op, that doesn't make it right.

Random story, but if you're a high profile person and want to help on the ground during a tragedy https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/9-11-twin-to... This is how you do it. You don't pose for pictures, you don't give interviews. You get your hands dirty and actually work alongside your fellow citizens as an equal. You don't call some journalists to inform them that you're coming, pick up a shovel and fill a couple of sandbags so that journalists can snap their pictures and then leave after 15 minutes.

The person who was complaining was probably a conservative, that doesn't mean he's wrong about this.

NorthReport

Ridiculous. There are lots of reason to criticize Trudeau but this just is not one of them. Would you rather he be vacationing somewhere with the Aga Khan? I agree basically with cco about the PM fighting global warming but also he also needs to be there in the present moment of crisis as well

 

pietro_bcc

NorthReport wrote:

Would you rather he be vacationing somewhere with the Aga Khan?

I would rather he actually help the flood victims, rather than showing up for a few minutes for a photo op. I looked over my last post and couldn't find a mention of the Aga Khan, don't know where you got that from.

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

The story includes this nasty arrogant side of Trudeau. I think that his Daddy's arrogance is what most people in Western Canada remember. Justin probably has fond memories of his Dad giving the finger to people while they vacationed among the unwashed.

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau was confronted by a man on Saturday, who said he was frustrated that Trudeau’s RCMP security detail was holding up volunteers trying to fill sandbags.

The man approached the prime minister in Constance Bay, Ont., where Trudeau and his two sons were helping out with efforts to prevent flooding from the Ottawa River.

“I’ve been waiting in line down the road for 30 minutes while you've been here soaking up the rays,” the unidentified man in a baseball cap yelled at Trudeau.

Trudeau responded that he was “sorry” for the man’s “challenge.”

“It’s not my challenge,” the man said. “I’m a volunteer trying to help someone save their home.”

Trudeau said that his family had spent 15 minutes filling up sandbags and that he was there to draw attention to the flooding.

“I was in truck for an hour waiting while you were here for the photo op,” the man retorted.

“That’s unfriendly and unneighbourly today,” Trudeau shot back. “We’re here to help.”

A spokesperson for the prime minister said that his protective detail was not impeding the sandbagging progress, and that “many vehicles” were coming and going while the PM was there.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/trudeau-confronted-by-frustrated-volunteer...

It doesn't matter who was right this is an asshole telling people that him being photographed pretending to be a  volunteer is something everyone should laud him for and tell him how great he is. He is a privileged wanker.

Pondering

His detail said they were not impeding the work. That's great. It was still obviously a photo op. He claimed he was there to draw attention to the flood. Okay, when is he coming to Quebec and all the other flood regions? Does he really think Canadians wouldn't notice without his presence?

Saying he and his family had spent 15 minutes filling up sandbags is ridiculous. So self-important. As if that is deserving of praise. 

To me this is the telling statement:

“That’s unfriendly and unneighbourly today,” Trudeau shot back. “We’re here to help.”

The man is there trying to work to protect his community from flooding and he has been waiting for an hour. Right or wrong he had a right to be upset and to be critical of Trudeau who most likely jumped the queue. Calling him unfriendly and unneighbourly is a put down. 

Pondering

NorthReport wrote:

Ridiculous. There are lots of reason to criticize Trudeau but this just is not one of them. Would you rather he be vacationing somewhere with the Aga Khan? I agree basically with cco about the PM fighting global warming but also he also needs to be there in the present moment of crisis as well

 

I would rather he treat a man whose home may be at risk with compassion and acknowledgement. I would rather he say this is a terrible situation and I really do want to help not hinder and my people have tried to stay out of the way.  We will be leaving shortly and we will be offering financial and logistical support. I wanted people to see we do recognize the gravity of the situation.

NorthReport

It was a setup from the getgo.

As the Mounties stated there was no disruption as vehicles were moving back and forth throughout the Trudeau family visit.

 

Pondering

NorthReport wrote:

It was a setup from the getgo.

As the Mounties stated there was no disruption as vehicles were moving back and forth throughout the Trudeau family visit.

 

It doesn't matter. It was an inappropriate way to address a citizen even one with assumed opposing political views. 

I find disaster photo-ops distasteful. Trudeau was there to promote himself just like Harper was at the fire to promote himself. Neither were required to bring attention to the events or give them greater visibility nor to increase donations. 

Badriya

NorthReport wrote:

It was a setup from the getgo.

As the Mounties stated there was no disruption as vehicles were moving back and forth throughout the Trudeau family visit.

 

You trust the Mounties?

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

Badriya wrote:

NorthReport wrote:

It was a setup from the getgo.

As the Mounties stated there was no disruption as vehicles were moving back and forth throughout the Trudeau family visit.

 

You trust the Mounties?

He was there as an ordinary volunteer, its not like he generated his own traffic jam with security personnel and reporters. None of whom were there to actually help with flood control.

WWWTT

@kropotkin

I’m siding with Badriya with this one. I doubt the rcmp were not holding people up. The link I read said the pmo said that nobody was being held up. I take a big grain of salt with that considering they have lied already. 

Justin is a slime ball low life. How many times does he have to prove it? Way too many people give this asshole far too many passes. 

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

WWWTT wrote:

@kropotkin

I’m siding with Badriya with this one. I doubt the rcmp were not holding people up. The link I read said the pmo said that nobody was being held up. I take a big grain of salt with that considering they have lied already. 

Justin is a slime ball low life. How many times does he have to prove it? Way too many people give this asshole far too many passes. 

Sorry WWWTT you misunderstood, my comment was tongue in check and not meant to be taken seriously.

NorthReport
Pondering

https://www.thestar.com/politics/federal/2019/05/01/justin-trudeau-taps-veteran-liberal-organizer-to-lead-partys-2019-election-campaign.html

Jeremy Broadhurst, who was national director of the Liberal party in 2015, has been named campaign director for 2019 by Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, who said Broadhurst’s work modernizing the party was key to the majority election win almost four years ago.....

Following the 2015 election, Broadhurst joined Trudeau’s office as deputy chief of staff and deputy principal secretary before moving to the role of chief of staff to Foreign Affairs Minister Chrystia Freeland, the post he holds now.

A peek at the powerful. 

Conservative ads, I think they are weak but they might be aimed at the base or just a warm up. 

NDPP

Trudeau's Reelection Bid Faces the Trump Test

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/05/02/trump-justin-trudeau-canada-ha...

"The Canadian leader was so concerned about Trump he secretly practiced his handshake before their first meeting..."

Perhaps there is something after all in that old saw that people get the government [ and PM] they deserve. The problem is that the rest of us have to endure the results also. What a disgusting, servile and idiotic parody of democracy Canada has become. I'll not be voting for any of them. 

NorthReport

Sounds like a plan thinks Scheer. Hopefully he will never ever get in a position to do things like Harper did.

https://www.nationalnewswatch.com/2019/05/02/ex-obama-envoy-heyman-details-ice-age-with-harper-over-keystone-pipeline/#.XMt-OBYTGaO

WWWTT

kropotkin1951 wrote:

WWWTT wrote:

@kropotkin

I’m siding with Badriya with this one. I doubt the rcmp were not holding people up. The link I read said the pmo said that nobody was being held up. I take a big grain of salt with that considering they have lied already. 

Justin is a slime ball low life. How many times does he have to prove it? Way too many people give this asshole far too many passes. 

Sorry WWWTT you misunderstood, my comment was tongue in check and not meant to be taken seriously.

:)

WWWTT

NDPP wrote:

Trudeau's Reelection Bid Faces the Trump Test

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/05/02/trump-justin-trudeau-canada-ha...

"The Canadian leader was so concerned about Trump he secretly practiced his handshake before their first meeting..."

Perhaps there is something after all in that old saw that people get the government [ and PM] they deserve. The problem is that the rest of us have to endure the results also. What a disgusting, servile and idiotic parody of democracy Canada has become. I'll not be voting for any of them. 

Ok thanks for the link NDPP. 

This Justin character is twisted. He was all concerned about Trumps handshake so he had to rehearse it?!?! Holy fuck that’s a thread all in itself. Way to go Canadian voters, you guys sure know how to pick em!

Obsessing over something like a handshake I find real funny and disturbing at the same time. Disturbing because he’s the PM of Canada!

I seriously doubt that the liberals are going to get enough MPs elected to form government. 

NorthReport

And the alternative is.......?

NorthReport

Maybe a tourist boycott of Alberta might settle Kenney down a bit

Who else is already sick of his divisiveness?

https://www.thestar.com/politics/political-opinion/2019/05/02/what-is-the-real-reason-behind-the-quarrel-between-kenney-and-trudeau.html

Pondering

The handshake made positive international news because Trump had embarassed several world leaders making them appear weak. Canadians won't mind that he figured out a way to beat Trump even if it was just in a handshake. 

Image building is a huge aspect of politics and people understand it. Almost everyone wants to leave a positive impression especially if the event will be in the news. Mocking him on this plays to opposition bases but it turns off everyone else. It's a petty attack.

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

Practicing a handshake before meeting Trump was a wise strategy given the international media coverage of Trump's technique. This is after all a man whose first big act to get public attention as MP was to box with an indigenous man. Crying on demand when talking about Canada's genocidal past and then doing nothing to change the current abuses is what I find very offensive.

NDPP

Trudeau Appoints Chrystia Freeland's Chief of Staff to Run Liberals' Election Campaign

https://t.co/UfLPpxZifu

"Party says Jeremy Broadhurst was a key player in the 2015 majority election win..."

NorthReport

No wonder Leslie is not running again. Atlantic Canada may well bail on the Liberals over this. Unbelievable!

Liberal MP Andrew Leslie set to testify against feds at Mark Norman trial: sources

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/liberal-mp-andrew-leslie-set-to-testify-against-feds-at-mark-norman-trial-sources-1.4406831

NorthReport

Another Team Trudeau failure

Canada's government is clearly uninterested in finding innovative solutions to gun violence

https://www.cbc.ca/news/opinion/gun-violence-1.4641769

WWWTT

kropotkin1951 wrote:

Practicing a handshake before meeting Trump was a wise strategy given the international media coverage of Trump's technique. This is after all a man whose first big act to get public attention as MP was to box with an indigenous man. Crying on demand when talking about Canada's genocidal past and then doing nothing to change the current abuses is what I find very offensive.

Lol you gotta be freekin joking me kropotkin? 

I’m trying to imagine in my mind the conversations Justin had with his staff about this. Did one of his staff warn him that he better watch out for Trumps handshake and just to be safe, I’ll pretend I’m Trump and shake my hand. 

I suspect this is an over the top ICM story and that Justin is kind of playing it up like the corporate media circus freek side show that he is. 

Pondering

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/politics/psychology-donald-trump-handshake-how-to-beat-it-justin-trudeau-shinzo-abe-a7591136.html

Indeed, Trump’s handshakes are not acts of peace, solidarity and goodwill, they are something altogether different. His “clasp and yank” handshake has taken many of its recipients by surprise. He pulls them forwards into his personal space, unbalancing them, and putting them at an immediate disadvantage. He knows that images of these greetings will be shown around the world – and that they will make it look as if he is the man in charge.

So potent is his technique that one martial arts school has even come up with advice on how to defend it.

Consider, for example, Trump’s now infamous handshake with Shinzo Abe, the Prime Minister of Japan. Trump first presents his hand to Abe palm up, inviting Abe to take the dominant position with his hand on top. But Trump then clasps his counterpart’s hand for a 19-second marathon handshake, patting the back of Abe’s hand in several bursts of three pats. Hand patting like this is not a “comforting gesture” as some might assume.

He made international news

https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-us-canada-38971859/donald-trump-vs-justin-trudeau-the-political-handshake

If that's the worst you can throw at Trudeau he must be a great guy. It's a handshake. 

NorthReport

I thought it was just in BC where the Liberals are tanking, but it appears the Liberals are going to get steamrolled everywhere, on their way to a crushing defeat in October. 

Tomorrow morning I’m posting some news I can’t wait to share.

Liberals beware!

https://twitter.com/Tom_Parkin_/status/1124482771471278082

NorthReport

I wonder if Parkin's news has something to do with Philpott and Wilson-Raybould. Just a wild guess, eh!

NorthReport

Thanks for setting the record straight Jan.

It was a Liberal govt that gave up on affordable housing

realbmp added,

Bob RaeVerified account @BobRae48

Governments gave up on supply of affordable housing after 1995. Thought the magic of the market would do it. They were wrong.

https://twitter.com/torontostar/status/1123400405008945152 

 

https://twitter.com/RealBmp1/status/1124424583623335937

NorthReport
Webgear

Having been to a few natural disasters over the last couple decades, there is one constant event that you can count on. Some VIP or politician arriving to their photos taken and to make a speech about the current crisis.

98% of the time they are a burden to the first responders in same way or another and they will always delay you from doing your job.

I am speculating (based off personal experience) that there was a lengthy delay with the PM visiting the site based off having seen previous PMs and politicians appearing at past events.  

I think this whole event has been over blown by all parties involved.

NorthReport
NorthReport
WWWTT

Pondering wrote:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/politics/psychology-donald-trump-handshake-how-to-beat-it-justin-trudeau-shinzo-abe-a7591136.html

Indeed, Trump’s handshakes are not acts of peace, solidarity and goodwill, they are something altogether different. His “clasp and yank” handshake has taken many of its recipients by surprise. He pulls them forwards into his personal space, unbalancing them, and putting them at an immediate disadvantage. He knows that images of these greetings will be shown around the world – and that they will make it look as if he is the man in charge.

So potent is his technique that one martial arts school has even come up with advice on how to defend it.

Consider, for example, Trump’s now infamous handshake with Shinzo Abe, the Prime Minister of Japan. Trump first presents his hand to Abe palm up, inviting Abe to take the dominant position with his hand on top. But Trump then clasps his counterpart’s hand for a 19-second marathon handshake, patting the back of Abe’s hand in several bursts of three pats. Hand patting like this is not a “comforting gesture” as some might assume.

He made international news

https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-us-canada-38971859/donald-trump-vs-justin-trudeau-the-political-handshake

If that's the worst you can throw at Trudeau he must be a great guy. It's a handshake. 

Ya just what I thought, overblown ICM garbage. I watched video clips of Trump shaking hands with other world leaders and I see no expressions of shock or discomfort from them. 

This is all overblown and exaggerated. 

NorthReport

According to this guy Conservatives don’t even need a climate change policy to win the election 

https://www.macleans.ca/opinion/andrew-scheers-cold-hard-climate-change-calculus/

Pondering

WWWTT wrote:

Ya just what I thought, overblown ICM garbage. I watched video clips of Trump shaking hands with other world leaders and I see no expressions of shock or discomfort from them. 

This is all overblown and exaggerated. 

Yes it is but he wasn't wrong to practice the handshake so Trump couldn't mess with him.  As something to criticize him over it is really weak. 

Pondering

NorthReport wrote:

I thought it was just in BC where the Liberals are tanking, but it appears the Liberals are going to get steamrolled everywhere, on their way to a crushing defeat in October. 

Tomorrow morning I’m posting some news I can’t wait to share.

Liberals beware!

https://twitter.com/Tom_Parkin_/status/1124482771471278082

You seem over-joyed to welcome PM Scheer if things don't change before October (and they will). 

Martin N.

kropotkin1951 wrote:

Practicing a handshake before meeting Trump was a wise strategy given the international media coverage of Trump's technique. This is after all a man whose first big act to get public attention as MP was to box with an indigenous man. Crying on demand when talking about Canada's genocidal past and then doing nothing to change the current abuses is what I find very offensive.

Im glad you have joined my point of view. It wasn't hard at all, was it?

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