Canada's Federal Election Talk - Monday, May 2, 2011 (2)

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Canada's Federal Election Talk - Monday, May 2, 2011 (2)

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Lens Solution

Harper's hypocrisy on the coalition issue is beginning to be picked up and reported by the media more and more:

 

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/text-stephen-harpers-2004-letter-signed-layton-...

 

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/deal-2004-had-harper-singing-different-tune-opp...

NorthReport

This guy's  fantastic and will blow Harper out of the water every time.

 

http://www.youtube.com/BlocQuebecois

 

bekayne
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NorthReport wrote:

This guy's  fantastic and will blow Harper out of the water every time.

 

http://www.youtube.com/BlocQuebecois

 

No doubt, he's got the gift.

 

Sineed

If Gilles Duceppe were the leader of the Liberals, he'd be Prime Minister by now.

bekayne

"They all come to us. They all want to be in our bed, but don't want to marry us."

http://montreal.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20110326/mtl_duceppe_110326/20110326/?hub=MontrealHome

N.Beltov N.Beltov's picture

That's a great quote.

NorthReport

Yes it sure is - I saw Duceppe deliver that today - it was hilarious! Laughing

Lens Solution

I haven't watched any t.v. coverage today of the leaders or their press conferences.  Have the media been questioning Harper over his 2004 arrangement with Layton and Duceppe or asked him about his hypocrisy?  Now that Layton and Duceppe are going after Harper on this, the media should be giving it some attention.

NorthReport
NorthReport

Duceppe: "If he lost it, I'll send him a copy." Laughing

- talking today about the 2004 Harper accord/coalition with Layton and Duceppe.

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

Checked out the CBC and they have a survey to see which party best suits your values.

 

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canadavotes2011/votecompass/

 

According to the survey I should vote for the Greens..LOL!

It seems to me to be a little tilted in favour of the Cons..Maybe I'm paranoid...You be the judges.

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

I've been saying for years that Duceppe is the best leader in Ottawa.

The man hardly ever fumbles the issues or flip flops.

He's also probably the most intelligent of the 4.

I think he'd have a reasonably easy time dethroning King Stephen of New Reagenshire if he was the leader of the Liberals.

I'm sure he knows it..But he rarely contradicts himself and he's not 1/100th as hypocritical as the other leaders.

And I think,in the end,if the Tories don't get a majority,Canada should thank Gilles Duceppe because it will be the Bloc blocking the blokes.

 

Life, the unive...

Funny I came up Green too, yet I know some of the things they attribute to being Green positions are not correct.  I am pretty suspicious of it because on the leadership questons I ranked May where she deserved - on the bottom.   (By the way I helped to found the Greens in Ontario and have a pretty good handle on where current policy stands - so when I say the stuff they claim are Green policies I'm actually basing that on something.)

KenS

Stockholm wrote:

Nothing Iggy said precludes the possibility that Harper could fail to win a majority - have his Throne speech defeated by the combined opposition, then have the GG invite Ignatieff to form a government and he then forms a minority government with no coalition with anyone.

 

This is true, but there is a real big caveat. Two caveats actually.

The normal minority situation is that all partises state their intentions, and if the government is not going to get support, they resign without tabling a Throne Speech [and Budget in this case], and testing the confidence of the House. Essentially, confidence is tested 'informally'- in negotiations before the House sits; and a government that cannot get confidence resigns.

Having said that the party that has the most seats gets to form government is not consistent with Hareper saying that witholding confidence is the same as not letting them form government. And it would be true. There would be enough fuzziness the Liberals could get away with it. But it would require them being bold and decisive. They would not be.

Even bigger caveat is that the Liberals would be terribly exposed trying to govern without a formal arrangement with the NDP. They would really need the NDP commited for a couple years.

 

Put all that together and the bottom line is:

At a minimum, the Liberals have with todays statement constrained their manouvering room after the election. A governing agreement was already anything but a slam dunk. And there are myriad specific Liberal weaknesses that stand in the way of them fulsomely trying to make a governing agreement work. And then they just went and added some more constraints. It is now much more likely that for one reason or another, or for a combination of them, that Iggy and the Liberals will just pass on trying to wrest the prize from Harper.

Stockholm

alan smithee wrote:

I've been saying for years that Duceppe is the best leader in Ottawa.

The man hardly ever fumbles the issues or flip flops.

He's also probably the most intelligent of the 4.

Duceppe has a remarkably easy job. He only has to campaign in one province so he never has to deal with any issues that pit one part of the country against another. He makes it known right off the bat that he is NOT running to be PM of Canada and would not accept the job if offered - he never has to take any responsibility for anything or take any real positions on anything. All he has to do is say "I wll support whatever gives Quebec more money" - and he instantly wins 2/3 of the seats in Quebec. I wish i could make $200,000/year for such an EASY job. In all the years since Duceppe has been leader of the BQ - when has he ever had to make a difficult decision? It would be fascinating to see how he would fare if he was leader of the PQ (or even Premier) and had to actually take some difficult positions and be put on the ropes. I suspect we would very quickly see plenty of fumbles and flip flips. 

I'm not sure what gives you the idea that he's the "most intelligent" of the four leaders. How do you measure intelligence anyways? Comparative IQ scores? I know that Ignatieff (whatever people think of him) is certainly a very intelligent man. You don't get a PhD and lecture at places like Oxford and Harvard and write tons of books unless you're pretty smart. Layton has a PhD in political economy and has written several books addressing complex issues etc... what evidence is there of Duceppe being particularly intelligent? As far as i know, he has no great academic credentials, he has written no books, published no papers that have been hailed as intellectual masterpieces. I have heard that he has an encyclopedic memory for baseball statistics - does that make him the most intelligent leader? I dunno. Harper is no idiot either - much as I hate him.

Gilles Duceppe - Canada's most over-rated politician!

NorthReport

 I love it.

 

Not the first time I'm hearing official oposition and NDP mentioned in the same breath.

 

Layton's call: 'Kick every Conservative MP out of Edmonton'

 

"In the last two-and-a-half years, Linda Duncan has fought for Edmonton families, fought for this city and fought for Alberta. She has done an outstanding job. Now, in this election, I'm not asking Edmonton to just re-elect Linda Duncan. I'm asking you to come together and kick every Conservative MP out of Edmonton."

It's a tall order.

But the New Democrats who, for the second election in a row say they will spend the maximum allowed under Election Canada rules, have put money into radio ads specifically crafted to reach voters in this city.

"Are you guys fed up with Stephen Harper?" asks a male voice in one of the spots. "Are you tired of Edmonton being taken for granted?"

The ad attempts to make a villain of the Conservative Leader. But its targets are the Liberals who once voted in large numbers for Anne McLellan.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/laytons-call-kick-every-con...

Boom Boom Boom Boom's picture

I love it that Stephen Harper will now go into the history books as Prime Minister of the only government in Canadian history ever to be found in contempt of Parliament.

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

Life, the universe, everything wrote:

Funny I came up Green too, yet I know some of the things they attribute to being Green positions are not correct.  I am pretty suspicious of it because on the leadership questons I ranked May where she deserved - on the bottom.   (By the way I helped to found the Greens in Ontario and have a pretty good handle on where current policy stands - so when I say the stuff they claim are Green policies I'm actually basing that on something.)

 

Yeah...I had May at the bottom too.

Had Layton and Duceppe at the top...In fact I had the Greens at the bottom but just ahead of the Cons for virtually all the answers..  and I still came out as a Green.

Something just doesn't add up.

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

Stockholm wrote:

alan smithee wrote:

I've been saying for years that Duceppe is the best leader in Ottawa.

The man hardly ever fumbles the issues or flip flops.

He's also probably the most intelligent of the 4.

Duceppe has a remarkably easy job. He only has to campaign in one province so he never has to deal with any issues that pit one part of the country against another. He makes it known right off the bat that he is NOT running to be PM of Canada and would not accept the job if offered - he never has to take any responsibility for anything or take any real positions on anything. All he has to do is say "I wll support whatever gives Quebec more money" - and he instantly wins 2/3 of the seats in Quebec. I wish i could make $200,000/year for such an EASY job. In all the years since Duceppe has been leader of the BQ - when has he ever had to make a difficult decision? It would be fascinating to see how he would fare if he was leader of the PQ (or even Premier) and had to actually take some difficult positions and be put on the ropes. I suspect we would very quickly see plenty of fumbles and flip flips. 

I'm not sure what gives you the idea that he's the "most intelligent" of the four leaders. How do you measure intelligence anyways? Comparative IQ scores? I know that Ignatieff (whatever people think of him) is certainly a very intelligent man. You don't get a PhD and lecture at places like Oxford and Harvard and write tons of books unless you're pretty smart. Layton has a PhD in political economy and has written several books addressing complex issues etc... what evidence is there of Duceppe being particularly intelligent? As far as i know, he has no great academic credentials, he has written no books, published no papers that have been hailed as intellectual masterpieces. I have heard that he has an encyclopedic memory for baseball statistics - does that make him the most intelligent leader? I dunno. Harper is no idiot either - much as I hate him.

Gilles Duceppe - Canada's most over-rated politician!

 

OK...so I can't measure their intelligence to make an informed opinion on their individual IQ's.

But I CAN measure honesty...And Duceppe is by far more honest of the bunch.

There was a time when I'd say Layton but he has done a 360 on alot of issues he initially supported...and that was probably to apease a percentile of potential electorate that he had and still has no chance of ever winning over.

Stockholm

...and Duceppe doesn't have to even state any positions - its always just "whatever gives Quebec the most money and power". I wish i had such a dead easy job.

adma

If anyone wants to reach for lower benchmarks for the Liberals, I've mentally figured that if one rules out every seat or equivalent that the Liberals haven't held continuously since the Turner disaster of 1984, that'd only be about 15 seats or so, give or take...

Life, the unive...

alan smithee wrote:

Life, the universe, everything wrote:

Funny I came up Green too, yet I know some of the things they attribute to being Green positions are not correct.  I am pretty suspicious of it because on the leadership questons I ranked May where she deserved - on the bottom.   (By the way I helped to found the Greens in Ontario and have a pretty good handle on where current policy stands - so when I say the stuff they claim are Green policies I'm actually basing that on something.)

 

Yeah...I had May at the bottom too.

Had Layton and Duceppe at the top...In fact I had the Greens at the bottom but just ahead of the Cons for virtually all the answers..  and I still came out as a Green.

Something just doesn't add up.

Something REALLY doesn't add up.  I went back and did it again, but gave different answers.   I then scored Layton and the NDP very high in the final two sets of questions.  I STILL came up as closest to the Greens.   Something stinks to high heaven with that thing.

Life, the unive...

My guess is it is more tilted away from the NDP, and maybe even the BQ as I rated Duceppe well, and towards the Liberals.

NorthReport

I agree Alan, and same thing happened with me.

 It's just more CBC Liberal bullshit that we have been used to for far, far, too long.

 

alan smithee wrote:

 

Something REALLY doesn't add up.  I went back and did it again, but gave different answers.   I then scored Layton and the NDP very high in the final two sets of questions.  I STILL came up as closest to the Greens.   Something stinks to high heaven with that thing.

 

Lol...I'm going to try it one more time.

Maybe it's tilted in favour of the greens :D