Centrist Party of Canada (continued)

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Centrist Party of Canada (continued)

Hi, I am sure most of you know that I brought up this topic before but I felt that

important discussions did not happen with the topic and I thought I would bring up

relevant information on how such a topic could have a lot more information be discussed.

The way that can happen is by mentioning does anyone know what the radical centre

is and as a party we have thought about abandoning our moderate conservative platforms

and being a party just at the centre which means we want to take good ideas from the left

and the right so it is not just a one way street.

What radical centre means to us is we feel that the best way to govern in this country

is at the centre and this means being practical and advocating for a fiscally responsible,

socially progressive party that wants to focus on the essentials such as health, education,

the environment, the economy and democracy as our main areas of focus since we want a

single-tiered health care system, investments in post secondary education and make sure

we go to a green economy and put a price on carbon to make ourselves more competitive

and be more fuel efficient so we can build the industries of tomorrow in this country so we

do not lag behind. That is what such a party would bring.

On the democracy front we feel the best way to be is to advocate for prop rep

on the House of Commons and for the Senate. The best way to go about making

sure this party is successful is to present ourselves as a moderate centrist party of the

radical centre that wants to build a strong coalition of people under one tent and talk

about the issues and to bring civility to the House of Commons and to ban attack ads

and form compromises with the other parties. That is the best way to go about bringing

back people into our electoral system.

In terms of the economy we cannot be just to one specific area on the economy we want

to have balance here as well so we do not just focus on one thing we feel that focusing on

one side just leads to more instability and we need to be pragmatic especially on the

economy and focus on a policy that will strengthen the middle class, create jobs for all

Canadians, focus on reducing the debt and deficit, lower taxes for low and middle income

Canadians and create fairness for all Canadians. That is how you make sure all sides

are met. You cannot play to your base but instead work to satisfy all sides by giving a

little relief to all. Also when doing so you must as a party make sure the poor and

disadvantaged are taken into account.

That is how you build a party of the radical centre and to find out more check

out our page on facebook which is http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=34708647457

or check out this page which is http://centristparty.piczo.com/issues?cr=5

 

Thank you and I look forward to comments.

Ken Burch Ken Burch's picture

UH...nothing personal...but I read the last thread you started and nobody here was interested in what your party was offering then, and that was less than a month ago IIRC.  With all due respect, and with no personal malice towards you at all...why would you think that has changed?

Wouldn't it be a better use of your time to post this on a right-of-center message board?

KenS

Absolute spam at this point.

Close thread as bear minimum please.

But since he has been warned about spamming his ads, time to close his account.

 

Maysie Maysie's picture

For the love of cats.

Dude, hear that? It's the clue phone ringing. Answer it.

Maysie and the two Kens have spoken.

happy emoticon for MSN 04

Slumberjack

The typical Centrist.  First and foremost, stand for nothing while spitting in the face of reasonable people everywhere.  Steal any idea that happens by if it can be reduced to a one liner.  Attempt to convince anyone who will listen that they can't do without you because there is no alternative.  Maintain the same facade at any cost, even while events overtake you.  Any nonsense at all will suffice in the interest of political expediency toward the acquisition of power itself.

Maysie Maysie's picture

Btw, just because you put the word "radical" in front of something, doesn't actually make it radical.

Ergo:

"The magical, chocolate-dipped, groovy, most excellent, fabulous, innovative centre."

See? And I got nauseous while typing that. 

P.S. I think I said what Slumberjack just said. Only wittier. Tongue out

Slumberjack

Well, between spit in the face, and chocolately, I don't think its a fair comparison.

Maysie Maysie's picture

I'd call that an indication of the difference in how you and I see the world, SJ.

Laughing

Slumberjack

When did you become the optimist?

Maysie Maysie's picture

I'm always an optimist in the morning. Plus, I find this centrist guy to be great comedic relief.

Doug

The radical center? The only thing in the middle of the road is roadkill.

MegB

Centrist Party, you've been blocked for spamming.  So, PFO.

RW

Catchfire Catchfire's picture

I'm just re-opening this thread--partly because I have that power and it's nice to flaunt it--to point out, in the interest of comic relief, that our late friend centrist party of Canada did not invent his platform. In fact, at Britain's Liberal Democratic Party conference, the craven coward and turncoat Nick Clegg called for britain to embrace the "radical centre." He also, however, talked about reconnecting with "alarm-clock Britain" which makes about as much sense.

Anyway, the point is, to those who think that this is just a joke, that Britain is governed by a clown like this.

Caissa

We don't see the initials CPC enough.Laughing

N.Beltov N.Beltov's picture

It might be of interest for some babblers to note that "radical" is used as a synonym for "liberal" in some places and situations. Personally, I like the way Karl Marx used the term - meaning to grasp things by the root, etc. - but that's my preference only.  It's a kind of old-fashioned use of the term.

Anyway, I don't really have any interest in a party that calls itself centrist so carry on.

Maysie Maysie's picture

Catchfire wrote:
 Anyway, the point is, to those who think that this is just a joke, that Britain is governed by a clown like this.

I fail to see the humour, Catchfire. Now I'm bummed out with the reality of it all. Thanks a lot.

Catchfire Catchfire's picture

It's funny 'cause it's true?

6079_Smith_W

Hey, I may not want to give him my vote, but anything that might peel a few votes away from Mr. Harper is okay by me, and I am glad to know there are some people trying to revive something closer to the old red tory movement.

I just don't see the sense in him dipping his hook in the water here AGAIN after the reception he got the first time. And resorting to spamming after being pointed in the direction of an ad rate card is rude, and not very good PR, in my opinion.

Not quite to the same degree as another right-leaning political party weaseling some free advertising rding on the coat-tails of the Government of Canada's reputation, but a cheap move nonetheless.

(edit)

Seriously though (and speaking generally) I am not so down on the political centre. The extremes may be more in the forefront of change, but not much change actually becomes reality until enough people in the centre bring it to critical mass.

 

Catchfire Catchfire's picture

You're confusing "happy with the centre" with "moving the centre."

6079_Smith_W

Not exactly (as in I don't agree with centrist).

I think moving the centre is how change happens, but there is inevitably a bit of horse trading before most new and radical (can I say that?) ideas become the norm.

bagkitty bagkitty's picture

As Harry Perkins said in A Very British Coup:

Quote:

"The trouble with the middle of the road, is you get hit by cars going in both directions".

And I think the next time someone double spaces an OP, a moderator (current or former) should cut themselves a switch and take the offender out "behind the barn".

[waves to Maysie]

Maysie Maysie's picture

Catchfire wrote:
 It's funny 'cause it's true?

Spoken like someone who doesn't live in Ford Nation. Damn you!

bagkitty wrote:
 And I think the next time someone double spaces an OP, a moderator (current or former) should cut themselves a switch and take the offender out "behind the barn".

Form over content? Sigh. I expect better from you, bagkiity.

*waves, dolefully, at bagkitty*

bagkitty bagkitty's picture

Maysie, Maysie, Maysie.... not everyone in this world is a writer or editor, some of us are typesetters and layout and design people... and we have something to say too -- and as I have said to many a writer and editor "if it looks like crap on the page it doesn't really matter what you have written, nobody is going to be bothered to read it anyway.... now you are past deadline, give me that fucking copy NOW and I will see if I can make it look at least marginally inviting". Content without form is just a blurry mess of verbiage - and people like me are the reason for inverted pyramid style, cause we take a certain glee in editing with pruning shears.

Maysie Maysie's picture

My dearest satchel-kitten, you've misunderstood me.

Surely your groovy and smart political insights would be bothered as much by the lack of proper paragraph protocol as the vacuous content of the OP, not unlike the prior doomed thread #1 started by the OPer.

Any progressive with any spark, of which I know you have much, would be compelled to comment on the excremental "ideology" that was flung upon us in the OP, to be misused as comedy and satire (until Catchfire killed the buzz).

Take the shears and slash away.

*waves goodnight*

bagkitty bagkitty's picture

Nah, it was so ugly I couldn't force myself to read the whole thing. I think I gave up on it the second time I saw the words radical and centre paired (what can I say, the first incarnation was painful enough).

KenS

....waving up ....

Because of the double spacing of the OP, I couldn't be bothered to check if this was a repeat.

Fortunately, I recognized the red boldy links at the bottom, waving from the see of grey that my eyes to brain refuse to take in.

Catchfire Catchfire's picture

Hmm. I guess bagkitty won't be happy with my new initiative to get all babblers to conform to the MLA Style Guide on penalty of banning.

KenS

For myself. I wont be unhappy. But from what I can tell, I am at risk of suddenly finding myself banned.

Beam him out Scottie.

Caissa

On come on Catchfire. University of Chicago Style Guide would better meet the needs of Babble.

Catchfire Catchfire's picture

THIS IS NOT UP FOR DEBATE (26).

Caissa

Catchfire " Moderator Lays Down the Law" in Centrist Party of Canada (Continued) post #29, Rabble.ca, March 16, 2011.

KenS

I'm toast whatever style guide is chosen.

 

bagkitty bagkitty's picture

Catchfire: I'll send out a press release the first time I am truly happy with a style guide other than the one I carry around in my head. And remember, a feline is never truly lost, we always know exactly where we are at all times... smack dab in the center of the universe.

[ETA: and any style guide that comes up with such gems as "Titles are now italicized rather than underlined" is obviously failing to take into account the history of typography]

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

I can't believe this is still being discussed here.

I don't see the logic in trying to sell coke as an alternative to pepsi.

Who's buying it?

I've always prefered Dr.Pepper,anyhow.

KenS

Here, here.

Not to mention that if anything is to be a bannable offense, it should be ugliness in presentation.

Maysie Maysie's picture

alan are you kidding me?

Do the Dew, dude.

There, I'm sure that violates some kind of rhyming prose protocol (paging Catchfire!). See if I care.

Tongue out

KenS

It pains me to say this Catchfire, but if people are going to be banned for deficient style, the standards you unfortunately hold dear mean that we're obviously going to need a new moderator.

Caissa

That could ignite.

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

I hate to use these lyrics (I hate the song) but it seems to fit in with a certian post.

'Watch what you say or they'll be calling you a radical,a liberal,fanatical,criminal'

Brought to you by the new radical centre...The kinder,gentler right.

LOL!

Catchfire Catchfire's picture

KenS wrote:

It (pron. ref?) pains me to say this, Catchfire, but if people (ref?) are going to be banned (P.V.) for deficient (D.) style, the standards you unfortunately (MM) hold dear (colloq.) mean (agr., D.) that we're (colloq.) obviously going to need a new moderator. (non-seq., page ref? works cited?)

BANNED

Caissa

Finally, Babble gets serious about plagiarism. How do we square this with thie idea that property is theft?

Catchfire Catchfire's picture

What? An invitation to quote my favourite essay on plagiarism? Don't mind if I do...

Jonathan Lethem – "The Ecstasy of Influence: A Plagiarism"

Quote:
LOVE AND THEFT

Consider this tale: a cultivated man of middle age looks back on the story of an amour fou, one beginning when, traveling abroad, he takes a room as a lodger. The moment he sees the daughter of the house, he is lost. She is a preteen, whose charms instantly enslave him. Heedless of her age, he becomes intimate with her. In the end she dies, and the narrator—marked by her forever—remains alone. The name of the girl supplies the title of the story: Lolita.

The author of the story I've described, Heinz von Lichberg, published his tale of Lolita in 1916, forty years before Vladimir Nabokov's novel. Lichberg later became a prominent journalist in the Nazi era, and his youthful works faded from view. Did Nabokov, who remained in Berlin until 1937, adopt Lichberg's tale consciously? Or did the earlier tale exist for Nabokov as a hidden, unacknowledged memory? The history of literature is not without examples of this phenomenon, called cryptomnesia. Another hypothesis is that Nabokov, knowing Lichberg's tale perfectly well, had set himself to that art of quotation that Thomas Mann, himself a master of it, called “higher cribbing.” Literature has always been a crucible in which familiar themes are continually recast. Little of what we admire in Nabokov's Lolita is to be found in its predecessor; the former is in no way deducible from the latter. Still: did Nabokov consciously borrow and quote?

“When you live outside the law, you have to eliminate dishonesty.” The line comes from Don Siegel's 1958 film noir, The Lineup, written by Stirling Silliphant. The film still haunts revival houses, likely thanks to Eli Wallach's blazing portrayal of a sociopathic hit man and to Siegel's long, sturdy auteurist career. Yet what were those words worth—to Siegel, or Silliphant, or their audience—in 1958? And again: what was the line worth when Bob Dylan heard it (presumably in some Greenwich Village repertory cinema), cleaned it up a little, and inserted it into “Absolutely Sweet Marie”? What are they worth now, to the culture at large?

Wait, what's this thread about again?

If this thread proves anything, it's that the centre cannot hold.

Caissa

This is my favourite essay on plagiarism

http://www.stthomasu.ca/inkshed/nletta03/hunt.htm

 

6079_Smith_W

Catchfire wrote:

...If this thread proves anything, it's that the centre cannot hold.

Or that the centre is the most durable position because it is so fluid,  adaptable and catholic.

Not sure what my favourite plagiarism story is -

perhaps the ripped off submission to Canadian copyright hearings:

http://www.itbusiness.ca/it/client/en/home/News.asp?id=53347

Or the artist who had his own art taken down because it had been stolen and copyrighted by the huffington post (who are no friends to the copyright freedom movement).

http://boingboing.net/2008/05/23/google-lets-video-up.html

 

 

sporado sporado's picture

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Maysie Maysie's picture

Yikes. The mods have been notified about this spammer, btw.

Now I need to go wash out my eyeballs.

P.S. If I had to choose, I would wish for the lovely fellow from the centrist party of Canada instead of this one.

Slumberjack

The rudeness of it makes our own political discourse sound like class answers from congeniality school by comparison.

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

This spammer's rant sounds like a 12 year old.

I hope this person is not an adult (legally that is)...Slingblade.

Catchfire Catchfire's picture

bump. A radical idea whose time has come.

(actually I was just searching for the last time I cited Jonathan Lethem and found this comedy gem. You are welcome, folks.)

radiorahim radiorahim's picture

Centrism?   Brought back an old memory

KenS

I dont know why...

But another Centrist Party of Canada reminds of those banks you see driving through the States.

Like the Second Bank of Milksop Wisconsin.

 

[But my favourite is one that seems to be spreading like crazy... must be the great branding..

The Fifth Third Bank.