Confidence vote on Wednesday: Will the government fall?

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Slumberjack

Iggy's Q and A Clip

Iggy doesn't understand the scope of what is required from opposition parties.  At 2:00 of the Q and A clip, in response to a question about the lack of detailed alternative suggestions from the Liberals, he said it isn't his job to offer amendment proposals to the Government, nor to Canadians by extension, so that we all might benefit from the genius of his mind, through comparison with the Conservative plan.

Slumberjack

V. Jara wrote:

P.S. How this helps the NDP: 1) The backlash to a coalition would have mostly come from Western Canada. The Liberal party is virtually non-existent in Western Canada and thus the NDP would have suffered the brunt of the backlash.

Ahh the west, where the NDP is a natural alternative to prevailing conservative ideologies.  How does western backlash help the NDP again?

Summer

V. Jara wrote:
Stockholm wrote:

ETA: As for the "think twice" crowd, fool me once shame on you, fool me 45 times, shame on me

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When the Liberals vote for Mr. Harper, with or without the figleaf of an amendment, they will be casting their forty-fifth straight vote in to keep Stephen Harper in office.
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Ah yes, but don't make the mistake of thinking that everyone feels that way. For many Liberals, having the cons in office is better than the NDP coalition (better the devil you know...)

 

Show of hands babblers: who here typically votes Liberal?  If you don't, then presumably you vote NDP or Green.  The Libs wouldn't likely get your vote anyway so they've lost nothing by propping up the Cons.

If you do vote Liberal, you've probably voted ndp/green before and would never vote Conservative.  The Libs might get your vote if you're voting ABC or have forgiven them the past mistakes and decided their time out has been long enough for them to learn a little humility.  The prop-up might affect your vote, but probably not.

There are a lot of Libs who sometimes vote Conservative or who have been staying home and not voting.  They would not vote NDP or Green.  They would continue to vote Con or to stay home if the Libs join the Coalition.   These are the votes the Libs need.  These are generally not Babblers.  The Libs need to convince these voters (1) to go to the polls and (2) that there is a difference between the parties and the libs need their vote.  The Coalition would  not affect this.

Stockholm

"For many Liberals, having the cons in office is better than the NDP coalition (better the devil you know...)"

 Isn't that interesting. in the last three elections, the Liberals have thundered "New Democrats we share your values. We are just like you. You have a STARK CHOICE between the evil Neo-con Tories or the Liberals are who really no different from NDPers - You must CHOOSE your Canada..." Now you tell us that after all that rhetoric, the Liberals actually prefer having Harper in power to having the NDP as a junior coalition partner...

Lord Palmerston

The Conservatives are the second choice for Liberal voters, as well demonstrated in the last federal election.

Stockholm

Depends on where they live. In the City of Toronto, Atlantic Canada, Quebec and in urban areas like the City of Vancouver and Edmonton - Liberals tend to have the NDP as their second choice. One of the reasons the NDP won Edmonton-Strathcona was a collapse of the Liberal vote almost all of which went NDP.

I will grant you that in rural areas and in 905 suburban seats there are more Liberal/Conservative switchers.

To me the best scenario would be the Liberals giving up on trying to get NDP/Liberal switchers and that they focus instead on winning back the rural/suburban Liberal/Tory switchers.

Lord Palmerston

Does Iggy have a "Boston Brahmin" accent?

Stockholm

I always refer to him as "Thurston".

Noise

Stockholm:

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Depends on where they live. In the City of Toronto, Atlantic Canada, Quebec and in urban areas like the City of Vancouver and Edmonton - Liberals tend to have the NDP as their second choice. One of the reasons the NDP won Edmonton-Strathcona was a collapse of the Liberal vote almost all of which went NDP.

This trend happened pretty heavily across all of Alberta and not just Edmonton...  The collapsed Lib vote went Green or NDP over Conservative (Can also claim that the NDP has done a better job than the liberals of swaying the vote from the Conservatives).  NDP beat the Libs as far as popular vote goes in Alberta too (Provincially we all collect back as the Alberta Libs though).

V. Jara

Manitoba could very well see Liberals going NDP as a second choice too. Especially if the NDP makes a serious play for Winnepeg South (and maybe St. Boniface) next election.

oldgoat

Time to close for length.  We'll see what the new one gets called.

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