Conservative leadership race #1

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Debater

I don't get the appeal of MacKay for the Conservative voters they are polling.

But, I guess if he keeps putting up good numbers, it might be worth it for him to make a run.

(He'll have to find a seat outside of Atlantic Canada to run in, of course . . .)

Sean in Ottawa

Debater wrote:

I don't get the appeal of MacKay for the Conservative voters they are polling.

But, I guess if he keeps putting up good numbers, it might be worth it for him to make a run.

(He'll have to find a seat outside of Atlantic Canada to run in, of course . . .)

Not necessarily. The leadership race is close to a couple years out. Things change. By two years from now there could be an opening in Atlantic Canada. Some of those seats might be harder for the Liberals to hold so MacKay might not be that worried. Naturally, if there is not an immediate opening he could get in the House somewhere else and run in Atlantic Canada in the next election.

Debater

I'm sure there are possibilities.  But since the CPC Leadership race will start later this year and be determined in May 2017, it's not *that* far away, so any leadership contender would have to determine whether they wanted to get into the House of Commons.

That's just one factor for MacKay.  I think his lack of French skills, history of misogyny towards women, and lack of intellectual gravitas are likely to be bigger obstacles . . .

Geoff

I wonder who among potential contenders could lead the Conservatives with a "Hugh Segal" sensibility. Such a candidate might actually give Trudeau a run for his money. (Fortunately, there's little chance that Conservatives spend much time on Rabble, so they wouldn't likely act on the advice of any babbler.)

Debater

Kevin O'Leary Unfit To Be Tory Leader, Says Calgary MP Deepak Obhrai

Obhrai, who was first elected in 1997, is the dean of the Conservative caucus. He said his party was built on grassroot support and has gone through a tremendous amount of rebuilding since the Reform party split from the Progressive Conservatives, the Canadian Alliance was formed and then merged with the PCs to form the current Conservative party in 2003.

“I never saw this guy [O’Leary] anywhere. Anywhere. At any of these functions. As a matter of fact, I haven’t heard from him in those 18 years, and now we have a celebrity trying to run. Well, he doesn’t have the foggiest idea what this party is all about,” Obhrai told HuffPost.

. . .

“He is welcome to run – nobody can stop him from running – but he’s not right,” Obhrai added, declaring that O’Leary is too divisive and doesn’t even speak French.

“He just comes as a TV personality and thinks he can take over the party. Absolutely not. That is not going to be the way it is going to be…. We don’t need a so-called White Knight.”

Obhrai said he also thinks former Toronto city councillor and mayoral candidate Doug Ford is “the wrong candidate.”

---

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2016/01/18/kevin-oleary-deepak-obhrai-conse...

Newfoundlander_...

I think Lisa Raitt is probably the most interesting name of those who are almost certain to enter the race. A moderate conservative hockey mom from suburban Ontario could appeal to a lot of people. She's probably their best choice if the electoral system does change. 

Michael Chong would also be an interesting candidate and probably the biggest change candidate from the Harper era. I don't know what kind of bid he'd be able to put together. While he might appeal to some non-Conservatives he might not be able to get party people on his side. In any leadership campaign you need people leading it who have deep roots in the party. After what happened with him and Harper I don't know if those people will want to assocaite with Chong. Although it's also possible the Harper backbenchers who supported his Reform Act might support him.

Stockholm

Debater wrote:

I'm sure there are possibilities.  But since the CPC Leadership race will start later this year and be determined in May 2017, it's not *that* far away, so any leadership contender would have to determine whether they wanted to get into the House of Commons.

That's just one factor for MacKay.  I think his lack of French skills, history of misogyny towards women, and lack of intellectual gravitas are likely to be bigger obstacles . . .

On top of that wasn't McKay also viewed as having been a very mediocre cabinet minister who bungled major files when he was minister of defense and minister of foreign affairs?

Stockholm

josh wrote:

Abacus poll:

MacKay 42 Kenney 19 Raitt and Clement 13

http://abacusdata.ca/conservative-leadership-mackay-raitt-kenney-clement/

Let's keep in mind that when dalton mcguinty quit polls of the general public said that Gerard Kennedy was the heavy favorite to be the new Ontario Liberal leader and Kathleen Wynne was in single digits. Remind me how that turned out.

Similarly when Hudak quit polls of the general public showed massive support for Christine Elliott while Patrick Brown was in low single digits....remind me who is now Ontario PC leader.

Polls of the general public on party leadership are really just measuring name recognition. The leadership is won by getting votes from the less than 1% of voters who are card carrying members of a political party.

Newfoundlander_...

Stockholm wrote:
josh wrote:

Abacus poll:

MacKay 42 Kenney 19 Raitt and Clement 13

http://abacusdata.ca/conservative-leadership-mackay-raitt-kenney-clement/

Let's keep in mind that when dalton mcguinty quit polls of the general public said that Gerard Kennedy was the heavy favorite to be the new Ontario Liberal leader and Kathleen Wynne was in single digits. Remind me how that turned out. Similarly when Hudak quit polls of the general public showed massive support for Christine Elliott while Patrick Brown was in low single digits....remind me who is now Ontario PC leader. Polls of the general public on party leadership are really just measuring name recognition. The leadership is won by getting votes from the less than 1% of voters who are card carrying members of a political party.

Ken Dryden also did well in 2006 leadership polls among the general public. Polls of Liberal members were more accurate to how he did at the convention, which was a 5th place finish with less than 5% of the vote.

I heard some Conservative pundits the other day mention that they thought Raitt would perform better at a convention than polls currently suggest. O'Leary would likely be the opposite. 

Sean in Ottawa

Newfoundlander_Labradorian wrote:

I think Lisa Raitt is probably the most interesting name of those who are almost certain to enter the race. A moderate conservative hockey mom from suburban Ontario could appeal to a lot of people. She's probably their best choice if the electoral system does change. 

Michael Chong would also be an interesting candidate and probably the biggest change candidate from the Harper era. I don't know what kind of bid he'd be able to put together. While he might appeal to some non-Conservatives he might not be able to get party people on his side. In any leadership campaign you need people leading it who have deep roots in the party. After what happened with him and Harper I don't know if those people will want to assocaite with Chong. Although it's also possible the Harper backbenchers who supported his Reform Act might support him.

Have you paid any attention to what Raitt has said about workers and labour? To Hell with the idea that she is moderate.

If you can't find a moderate Conservative then just say so-- no need to make this Conservative into a moderate when she isn't.

Newfoundlander_...

Sean in Ottawa wrote:

Newfoundlander_Labradorian wrote:

I think Lisa Raitt is probably the most interesting name of those who are almost certain to enter the race. A moderate conservative hockey mom from suburban Ontario could appeal to a lot of people. She's probably their best choice if the electoral system does change. 

Michael Chong would also be an interesting candidate and probably the biggest change candidate from the Harper era. I don't know what kind of bid he'd be able to put together. While he might appeal to some non-Conservatives he might not be able to get party people on his side. In any leadership campaign you need people leading it who have deep roots in the party. After what happened with him and Harper I don't know if those people will want to assocaite with Chong. Although it's also possible the Harper backbenchers who supported his Reform Act might support him.

Have you paid any attention to what Raitt has said about workers and labour? To Hell with the idea that she is moderate.

If you can't find a moderate Conservative then just say so-- no need to make this Conservative into a moderate when she isn't.

I think she is a moderate conservative. 

What comments has she made about workers and labour for you to consider her far right-wing, which seems to be what you suggest?

While there was issues with back to work legislation, I wouldn't consider her overly right-wing for that. Union leaders also worked well with her when she was Minister of Labour.

Phil Benson of the Teamsters union said he looks forward to working with her in her new role. “She had an open door policy with us, was professional, courteous and good to deal with,” he said.

http://news.nationalpost.com/full-comment/john-ivison-how-lisa-raitt-bec...

Sean in Ottawa

Newfoundlander_Labradorian wrote:

Sean in Ottawa wrote:

Newfoundlander_Labradorian wrote:

I think Lisa Raitt is probably the most interesting name of those who are almost certain to enter the race. A moderate conservative hockey mom from suburban Ontario could appeal to a lot of people. She's probably their best choice if the electoral system does change. 

Michael Chong would also be an interesting candidate and probably the biggest change candidate from the Harper era. I don't know what kind of bid he'd be able to put together. While he might appeal to some non-Conservatives he might not be able to get party people on his side. In any leadership campaign you need people leading it who have deep roots in the party. After what happened with him and Harper I don't know if those people will want to assocaite with Chong. Although it's also possible the Harper backbenchers who supported his Reform Act might support him.

Have you paid any attention to what Raitt has said about workers and labour? To Hell with the idea that she is moderate.

If you can't find a moderate Conservative then just say so-- no need to make this Conservative into a moderate when she isn't.

I think she is a moderate conservative. 

What comments has she made about workers and labour for you to consider her far right-wing, which seems to be what you suggest?

While there was issues with back to work legislation, I wouldn't consider her overly right-wing for that. Union leaders also worked well with her when she was Minister of Labour.

Phil Benson of the Teamsters union said he looks forward to working with her in her new role. “She had an open door policy with us, was professional, courteous and good to deal with,” he said.

http://news.nationalpost.com/full-comment/john-ivison-how-lisa-raitt-bec...

You have got to be kidding.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/british-columbia/lisa-raitts-trampli...

You can google others -- many others.

Newfoundlander_...

Sean in Ottawa wrote:

Newfoundlander_Labradorian wrote:

Sean in Ottawa wrote:

Newfoundlander_Labradorian wrote:

I think Lisa Raitt is probably the most interesting name of those who are almost certain to enter the race. A moderate conservative hockey mom from suburban Ontario could appeal to a lot of people. She's probably their best choice if the electoral system does change. 

Michael Chong would also be an interesting candidate and probably the biggest change candidate from the Harper era. I don't know what kind of bid he'd be able to put together. While he might appeal to some non-Conservatives he might not be able to get party people on his side. In any leadership campaign you need people leading it who have deep roots in the party. After what happened with him and Harper I don't know if those people will want to assocaite with Chong. Although it's also possible the Harper backbenchers who supported his Reform Act might support him.

Have you paid any attention to what Raitt has said about workers and labour? To Hell with the idea that she is moderate.

If you can't find a moderate Conservative then just say so-- no need to make this Conservative into a moderate when she isn't.

I think she is a moderate conservative. 

What comments has she made about workers and labour for you to consider her far right-wing, which seems to be what you suggest?

While there was issues with back to work legislation, I wouldn't consider her overly right-wing for that. Union leaders also worked well with her when she was Minister of Labour.

Phil Benson of the Teamsters union said he looks forward to working with her in her new role. “She had an open door policy with us, was professional, courteous and good to deal with,” he said.

http://news.nationalpost.com/full-comment/john-ivison-how-lisa-raitt-bec...

You have got to be kidding.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/british-columbia/lisa-raitts-trampli...

You can google others -- many others.

So that article mainly deals with the back to work legislation I mentioned above.

Is there anyone you consider a moderate conservative?

Stockholm

These days anyone who doesnt routinely "talk in tongue" is suddenly branded as a moderate Conservative. People fantasize about Peter McKay being some sort of red Tory even though there is no evidence that there is a single solitary policy that Harper championed that McKay didn't wholeheartedly support.

About the only thing that COULD be said about McKay is that simply by virtue of being from Atlantic Canada he is likely not going to be as eager to slash EI payments as Harper the Albertan was.

Sean in Ottawa

Newfoundlander_Labradorian wrote:

Sean in Ottawa wrote:

Newfoundlander_Labradorian wrote:

Sean in Ottawa wrote:

Newfoundlander_Labradorian wrote:

I think Lisa Raitt is probably the most interesting name of those who are almost certain to enter the race. A moderate conservative hockey mom from suburban Ontario could appeal to a lot of people. She's probably their best choice if the electoral system does change. 

Michael Chong would also be an interesting candidate and probably the biggest change candidate from the Harper era. I don't know what kind of bid he'd be able to put together. While he might appeal to some non-Conservatives he might not be able to get party people on his side. In any leadership campaign you need people leading it who have deep roots in the party. After what happened with him and Harper I don't know if those people will want to assocaite with Chong. Although it's also possible the Harper backbenchers who supported his Reform Act might support him.

Have you paid any attention to what Raitt has said about workers and labour? To Hell with the idea that she is moderate.

If you can't find a moderate Conservative then just say so-- no need to make this Conservative into a moderate when she isn't.

I think she is a moderate conservative. 

What comments has she made about workers and labour for you to consider her far right-wing, which seems to be what you suggest?

While there was issues with back to work legislation, I wouldn't consider her overly right-wing for that. Union leaders also worked well with her when she was Minister of Labour.

Phil Benson of the Teamsters union said he looks forward to working with her in her new role. “She had an open door policy with us, was professional, courteous and good to deal with,” he said.

http://news.nationalpost.com/full-comment/john-ivison-how-lisa-raitt-bec...

You have got to be kidding.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/british-columbia/lisa-raitts-trampli...

You can google others -- many others.

So that article mainly deals with the back to work legislation I mentioned above.

Is there anyone you consider a moderate conservative?

Yes. Many of those driven out of the party when it united. Many are now in the Liberal party which is the enheritor of the old Progressive Conservative party. The present Conservative party is of the lineage of the Reform party and looking inside it for "moderates" is a waste of time. They left.

Newfoundlander_...

Stockholm wrote:

These days anyone who doesnt routinely "talk in tongue" is suddenly branded as a moderate Conservative. People fantasize about Peter McKay being some sort of red Tory even though there is no evidence that there is a single solitary policy that Harper championed that McKay didn't wholeheartedly support.

About the only thing that COULD be said about McKay is that simply by virtue of being from Atlantic Canada he is likely not going to be as eager to slash EI payments as Harper the Albertan was.

Well I guess we don't really know where many MPs stand out policies issues. Party leaders don't often let MPs speak their mind. A leadership race should allow us to see their views.

Pondering

The poll that had Kevin O'Leary and McKay had support split evenly between the two and both front runners. That illustrates a big divide right down the middle that can be exploited.

Newfoundlander_...

Pondering wrote:

The poll that had Kevin O'Leary and McKay had support split evenly between the two and both front runners. That illustrates a big divide right down the middle that can be exploited.

Or it shows that they're the only two people who are well known. 

Sean in Ottawa

Newfoundlander_Labradorian wrote:

Pondering wrote:

The poll that had Kevin O'Leary and McKay had support split evenly between the two and both front runners. That illustrates a big divide right down the middle that can be exploited.

Or it shows that they're the only two people who are well known. 

At least at this point there is no real discussion about a middle candidate who can appeal to both.

Please don't say Tony Clement -- I think he would appeal to neither.

monty1

Maybe the Conservatives can recall which NDP members were the best bootlickers and invite them into their party as potential MP's and even a leader. They're obviously not going to turn to the left and be with the Liberals.

Sean in Ottawa

monty1 wrote:

Maybe the Conservatives can recall which NDP members were the best bootlickers and invite them into their party as potential MP's and even a leader. They're obviously not going to turn to the left and be with the Liberals.

I am angry with the NDP and I actually voted for them.

Still I am pretty sick of you crossing multiple threads with this bootlickers statement. Cut that out. This comment is clearly trolling.

monty1

Sean in Ottawa wrote:

monty1 wrote:

Maybe the Conservatives can recall which NDP members were the best bootlickers and invite them into their party as potential MP's and even a leader. They're obviously not going to turn to the left and be with the Liberals.

I am angry with the NDP and I actually voted for them.

Still I am pretty sick of you crossing multiple threads with this bootlickers statement. Cut that out. This comment is clearly trolling.

Stand your ground like a man and don't try the 'trolling' bullshit with me. It doesn't work with me and if it works with the moderators than this becomes a board on which I don't want to participate.  Are you going to try it out with the mods or have you already? 

This board is full of the NDP party hacks and I haven't yet discovered the reason why. Is that something to do with it's founding?

In any case, I'm a Liberal supporter and that makes me on your side. Get with the program while there's still a chance to turn nearly everything over that Harper did to our country. Your party can be meaningful if people like you get behind them and tell them to stop the partisan partyline bullshit in a time when there is no party line.

quizzical

no it fkn doesn't make you on "our side". you haven't said a progressive word since you been here.

you think getting rid of MSP will destoy our health care system.

you think whitey takin over MLK day is just fine

you think leaving bombers  bombing is super duper

the Liberals supported the Conservatives at all costs.

trying to re-write history and say you bloody wonderful monty1 just makes you look ridiculous.

Sean in Ottawa

monty1 wrote:

Sean in Ottawa wrote:

monty1 wrote:

Maybe the Conservatives can recall which NDP members were the best bootlickers and invite them into their party as potential MP's and even a leader. They're obviously not going to turn to the left and be with the Liberals.

I am angry with the NDP and I actually voted for them.

Still I am pretty sick of you crossing multiple threads with this bootlickers statement. Cut that out. This comment is clearly trolling.

Stand your ground like a man and don't try the 'trolling' bullshit with me. It doesn't work with me and if it works with the moderators than this becomes a board on which I don't want to participate.  Are you going to try it out with the mods or have you already? 

This board is full of the NDP party hacks and I haven't yet discovered the reason why. Is that something to do with it's founding?

In any case, I'm a Liberal supporter and that makes me on your side. Get with the program while there's still a chance to turn nearly everything over that Harper did to our country. Your party can be meaningful if people like you get behind them and tell them to stop the partisan partyline bullshit in a time when there is no party line.

Go complain to the mods and see if they like your sexist Liberal ass. But don't even pretend to be on the same side as me. I am not a Liberal and if you spent more time reading here in your first few days than telling people who have been here a decade how it is, you would have known that.

So you are some Liberal apologist here to give non-Liberals the what's what on your propaganda. Trust me I am being quite restrained in what I really want to tell you -- just for the sake of the moderators.

monty1

Sean in Ottawa wrote:

monty1 wrote:

Sean in Ottawa wrote:

monty1 wrote:

Maybe the Conservatives can recall which NDP members were the best bootlickers and invite them into their party as potential MP's and even a leader. They're obviously not going to turn to the left and be with the Liberals.

I am angry with the NDP and I actually voted for them.

Still I am pretty sick of you crossing multiple threads with this bootlickers statement. Cut that out. This comment is clearly trolling.

Stand your ground like a man and don't try the 'trolling' bullshit with me. It doesn't work with me and if it works with the moderators than this becomes a board on which I don't want to participate.  Are you going to try it out with the mods or have you already? 

This board is full of the NDP party hacks and I haven't yet discovered the reason why. Is that something to do with it's founding?

In any case, I'm a Liberal supporter and that makes me on your side. Get with the program while there's still a chance to turn nearly everything over that Harper did to our country. Your party can be meaningful if people like you get behind them and tell them to stop the partisan partyline bullshit in a time when there is no party line.

Go complain to the mods and see if they like your sexist Liberal ass. But don't even pretend to be on the same side as me. I am not a Liberal and if you spent more time reading here in your first few days than telling people who have been here a decade how it is, you would have known that.

So you are some Liberal apologist here to give non-Liberals the what's what on your propaganda. Trust me I am being quite restrained in what I really want to tell you -- just for the sake of the moderators.

I don't complain to moderators. Send me a p.m. and let yourself loose on what's on your mind. I promise to not complain to the mods about it. You'll feel better and then we can start talking about what we have in common and how the Liberals can be your friend.

Sean in Ottawa

monty1 wrote:

Sean in Ottawa wrote:

monty1 wrote:

Sean in Ottawa wrote:

monty1 wrote:

Maybe the Conservatives can recall which NDP members were the best bootlickers and invite them into their party as potential MP's and even a leader. They're obviously not going to turn to the left and be with the Liberals.

I am angry with the NDP and I actually voted for them.

Still I am pretty sick of you crossing multiple threads with this bootlickers statement. Cut that out. This comment is clearly trolling.

Stand your ground like a man and don't try the 'trolling' bullshit with me. It doesn't work with me and if it works with the moderators than this becomes a board on which I don't want to participate.  Are you going to try it out with the mods or have you already? 

This board is full of the NDP party hacks and I haven't yet discovered the reason why. Is that something to do with it's founding?

In any case, I'm a Liberal supporter and that makes me on your side. Get with the program while there's still a chance to turn nearly everything over that Harper did to our country. Your party can be meaningful if people like you get behind them and tell them to stop the partisan partyline bullshit in a time when there is no party line.

Go complain to the mods and see if they like your sexist Liberal ass. But don't even pretend to be on the same side as me. I am not a Liberal and if you spent more time reading here in your first few days than telling people who have been here a decade how it is, you would have known that.

So you are some Liberal apologist here to give non-Liberals the what's what on your propaganda. Trust me I am being quite restrained in what I really want to tell you -- just for the sake of the moderators.

I don't complain to moderators. Send me a p.m. and let yourself loose on what's on your mind. I promise to not complain to the mods about it. You'll feel better and then we can start talking about what we have in common and how the Liberals can be your friend.

Not bloody likely

quizzical

monty1 wrote:
Stand your ground like a man and don't try the 'trolling' bullshit with me. It doesn't work with me and if it works with the moderators than this becomes a board on which I don't want to participate.  Are you going to try it out with the mods or have you already? 

this right here is what is absolutely disgusting about Liberals.

double down on the propaganda and arrogance.

btw i'm not a man and i'm standing MY ground and calling out.

Pondering

quizzical wrote:

monty1 wrote:
Stand your ground like a man and don't try the 'trolling' bullshit with me. It doesn't work with me and if it works with the moderators than this becomes a board on which I don't want to participate.  Are you going to try it out with the mods or have you already? 

this right here is what is absolutely disgusting about Liberals.

double down on the propaganda and arrogance.

btw i'm not a man and i'm standing MY ground and calling out.

Yes, he should have used the word "adult" not "man" so now he is a reject that the NDP doesn't want support from. He isn't good enough for you.

He is a moderate NDPer. He is one of those people Trudeau has added to his supporters since the election based on their disappointment and anger with the NDP and with a desire to see much of Harper's legacy undone.

The NDP that was Canada's conscience and pushed the Liberals to pass progressive legislation is missed by many. Monty has stated that he supported the NDP since the days of CCF. Like me he remembers the days when the NDP would not have dissed Trudeau for scrapping the F-35s.

monty1

Pondering wrote:

quizzical wrote:

monty1 wrote:
Stand your ground like a man and don't try the 'trolling' bullshit with me. It doesn't work with me and if it works with the moderators than this becomes a board on which I don't want to participate.  Are you going to try it out with the mods or have you already? 

this right here is what is absolutely disgusting about Liberals.

double down on the propaganda and arrogance.

btw i'm not a man and i'm standing MY ground and calling out.

Yes, he should have used the word "adult" not "man" so now he is a reject that the NDP doesn't want support from. He isn't good enough for you.

He is a moderate NDPer. He is one of those people Trudeau has added to his supporters since the election based on their disappointment and anger with the NDP and with a desire to see much of Harper's legacy undone.

The NDP that was Canada's conscience and pushed the Liberals to pass progressive legislation is missed by many. Monty has stated that he supported the NDP since the days of CCF. Like me he remembers the days when the NDP would not have dissed Trudeau for scrapping the F-35s.

Thanks for the support Pondering, all pretty much true. Except that I am so wrapped up in the antiwar cause now that eveything else pales in comparison for me. 

Having said that, I'm not completely happy with the Liberal party and I feel that the NDP needs to somehow make it's way back to where it used to stand on foreign affairs. But the political climate in this country has to change and be receptive to it. I haven't the slightest idea of there being a chance of that happening. I'm so disappointed in the Canadian people and their lack of paying attention to what the US/Nato is up to that they want Canada to be a part of. 

p.s. I had the honour of voting for Colin Cameron one time, as well as Tommy Douglas. 

quizzical

bs. monty1 has never tread close to NDP anything.

i was raised my whole life around CCFers and NDPers. never once heard one speak like him.

heard lots speaking like kropotkin and Sean including my mom. but never have i heard any out Liberal Christy Clark.

it's how NDPers know Liberals from NDPers and Liberals don't even get it. which is even further proof.

Sean in Ottawa

quizzical wrote:

bs. monty1 has never tread close to NDP anything.

i was raised my whole life around CCFers and NDPers. never once heard one speak like him.

heard lots speaking like kropotkin and Sean including my mom. but never have i heard any out Liberal Christy Clark.

it's how NDPers know Liberals from NDPers and Liberals don't even get it. which is even further proof.

The other clue was that he self described as a Liberal.

monty1

Sean in Ottawa wrote:

quizzical wrote:

bs. monty1 has never tread close to NDP anything.

i was raised my whole life around CCFers and NDPers. never once heard one speak like him.

heard lots speaking like kropotkin and Sean including my mom. but never have i heard any out Liberal Christy Clark.

it's how NDPers know Liberals from NDPers and Liberals don't even get it. which is even further proof.

The other clue was that he self described as a Liberal.

I'm going to stay with you and work with you on this Sean. Because I believe you when you say you're a real NDP'er. I think I can help you find the missing qualities you need to start to understand. No need to insult you by telling you what they are.

quizzical

Sean in Ottawa wrote:
quizzical wrote:
bs. monty1 has never tread close to NDP anything.

i was raised my whole life around CCFers and NDPers. never once heard one speak like him.

heard lots speaking like kropotkin and Sean including my mom. but never have i heard any out Liberal Christy Clark.

it's how NDPers know Liberals from NDPers and Liberals don't even get it. which is even further proof.

The other clue was that he self described as a Liberal.

oh thanks for catching and noting it. i missed it.

i'd rather read pondering's good cop gig vs monty1's bad cop gig.

Pondering

monty1 wrote:

Thanks for the support Pondering, all pretty much true. Except that I am so wrapped up in the antiwar cause now that eveything else pales in comparison for me. 

Having said that, I'm not completely happy with the Liberal party and I feel that the NDP needs to somehow make it's way back to where it used to stand on foreign affairs. But the political climate in this country has to change and be receptive to it. I haven't the slightest idea of there being a chance of that happening. I'm so disappointed in the Canadian people and their lack of paying attention to what the US/Nato is up to that they want Canada to be a part of. 

p.s. I had the honour of voting for Colin Cameron one time, as well as Tommy Douglas. 

Oh I'm not happy with everything the Liberals are doing by a long shot. It's just that the NDP won't do them either.

I consider myself anti-war, I want us out of the bombing, but I am sympathetic to the Kurds. Foreign affairs are complex and Canadians do feel that Canada should live up to it's international obligations. That leads to simplistic conclusions and a willingness to give governments a lot of latitude in how they deal with international relationships including what our military does.

You will discover that there is a handful of people who hate the Liberals with a deep and abiding passion here. Even though they are settling for what they can get from the NDP, they can't imagine being willing to settle for what we can get from the Liberals.

Debater

quizzical wrote:

you think whitey takin over MLK day is just fine

'whitey' is 'takin over MLK day'?

This seems out of line and offensive.

Not sure why you are making this statement.

Sean in Ottawa

monty1 wrote:

Sean in Ottawa wrote:

quizzical wrote:

bs. monty1 has never tread close to NDP anything.

i was raised my whole life around CCFers and NDPers. never once heard one speak like him.

heard lots speaking like kropotkin and Sean including my mom. but never have i heard any out Liberal Christy Clark.

it's how NDPers know Liberals from NDPers and Liberals don't even get it. which is even further proof.

The other clue was that he self described as a Liberal.

I'm going to stay with you and work with you on this Sean. Because I believe you when you say you're a real NDP'er. I think I can help you find the missing qualities you need to start to understand. No need to insult you by telling you what they are.

Screw off with this patronizing shit. I don't care what you think. Clear? and I don't need your endorsement of what I have done through my life.

The one thing that you have done here is to top Pondering's arrogance and have become perhaps the most obnoxious poster here -- Quite an achievement in a few days. No need to address me -- I have no interest in or respect for you. I certainly don't need the help of some blowhard who just got here.

You blew any potential for respect quickly. Take your patronizing road show somewhere else.

monty1

Pondering wrote:

monty1 wrote:

Thanks for the support Pondering, all pretty much true. Except that I am so wrapped up in the antiwar cause now that eveything else pales in comparison for me. 

Having said that, I'm not completely happy with the Liberal party and I feel that the NDP needs to somehow make it's way back to where it used to stand on foreign affairs. But the political climate in this country has to change and be receptive to it. I haven't the slightest idea of there being a chance of that happening. I'm so disappointed in the Canadian people and their lack of paying attention to what the US/Nato is up to that they want Canada to be a part of. 

p.s. I had the honour of voting for Colin Cameron one time, as well as Tommy Douglas. 

Oh I'm not happy with everything the Liberals are doing by a long shot. It's just that the NDP won't do them either.

I consider myself anti-war, I want us out of the bombing, but I am sympathetic to the Kurds. Foreign affairs are complex and Canadians do feel that Canada should live up to it's international obligations. That leads to simplistic conclusions and a willingness to give governments a lot of latitude in how they deal with international relationships including what our military does.

You will discover that there is a handful of people who hate the Liberals with a deep and abiding passion here. Even though they are settling for what they can get from the NDP, they can't imagine being willing to settle for what we can get from the Liberals.

I'm not too worried about what the NDP'ers do because I know they won't betray everything they believe in and turn Conservative. But frankly, I think we're now in a time where there isn't room for two parties on the left against the Cons. The Cons were hugely unpopular in the last election due to Harper and so even though the vote on the left was split, it was still o.k. Next time it may not be that way.

I have the same confidence in Trudeau as I have and had in Obama. I've mentioned that regarding US foreign policy for Syria and Iran. I believe Trudeau's head is ini the same space but we must understand that one leader cannot control a country's foreign policy completely. Obama was clever enought to accomplish big things on preventing war with Syria and Iran. Perhaps Trudeau will find a niche with Russia to do the same. However, if he does then it won't be something he'll get credit for. As with Obama, they outwardly hate him and you can be assured that the military, M/I complex, R hawks, and D hawks, all hate him for that reason.

mark_alfred

quizzical wrote:
you think whitey takin over MLK day is just fine

http://www.cbc.ca/22minutes/videos/clips-season-23/sophie-trudeau-wrong-...

mark_alfred

Kevin O'Leary interviewed by Mark Critch:  http://www.cbc.ca/22minutes/videos/clips-season-23/kevin-oleary-on-the-h...

O'Leary predicts that the Liberals will have a leadership race in about two years after there's a Liberal mutiny against Trudeau.  He's giving the Liberal Party far too much credit.

monty1

mark_alfred wrote:

Kevin O'Leary interviewed by Mark Critch:  http://www.cbc.ca/22minutes/videos/clips-season-23/kevin-oleary-on-the-h...

O'Leary predicts that the Liberals will have a leadership race in about two years after there's a Liberal mutiny against Trudeau.  He's giving the Liberal Party far too much credit.

That's it! That's exactly what the NDP and it's supporters did and the reason why I used a pretty derogatory term to describe it. 

Doesn't it just make some people want to lick Kevin's soft and perfumed hand! 

quizzical

mark_alfred wrote:
quizzical wrote:
you think whitey takin over MLK day is just fine

">http://www.cbc.ca/22minutes/videos/clips-season-23/sophie-trudeau-wrong-...

it's just too funny while being straight on the money!!!!!

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mark_alfred wrote:

Kevin O'Leary interviewed by Mark Critch:  http://www.cbc.ca/22minutes/videos/clips-season-23/kevin-oleary-on-the-h...

O'Leary predicts that the Liberals will have a leadership race in about two years after there's a Liberal mutiny against Trudeau.  He's giving the Liberal Party far too much credit.

Why would there be a Liberal munity against Trudeau?

He's brought them to record levels of support.

What is O'Leary talking about?

josh
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Conservative MP Deepak Obhrai: New Rules Turning Tories Into 'Elitist And White-Only' Club

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2016/04/07/deepak-obhrai-conservatives-whit...

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Kellie Leitch: declared

Maxime Bernier: declared

Let the fun begin.

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Yes, here's the full article:

Kellie Leitch, Maxime Bernier enter Conservative leadership race

http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/kellie-leitch-maxime-bernier-enter-conser...

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From ABACUS today:

Use one word to describe the CPC (Top of Mind Impression).

https://twitter.com/Colettod/status/718469547725078528

quizzical

the subliminal placement of the words descriptive used is a great example....lololol

Debater

Interesting to see 'DUFFY' got in there!

quizzical

in blue letters not gray......just sayin....

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