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Wilf Day

Thomas Mulcair makes a point all New Democrats should be making:

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Encouraging voters to vote on May 2 could also be the source of salvation for the opposition parties, according to Mr. Mulcair. "Right-wing parties are masters of the art of attacking the political class at large," said the New Democrat. "The more they attack the political class, the more they discourage people who want change from voting, as they eventually make them believe that it is useless. And if people do not vote, the right wins, since the forces of the right do indeed vote."

And I love his tone:

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Mulcair does not hesitate to say that the Conservatives are "finished" in Quebec. According to him, not only have Stephen Harper's forces abandoned the Belle Province, but, what's more, Canadians are now ripe for change. "At the beginning of the campaign, it was cold, it was still almost winter, but on May 2, the good weather arrives. People will be influenced by the change of season and they will realize that it is possible to move towards something better, "added Mr. Mulcair. "Right now, people are depressed, it's as if they are emerging from five and half years of winter under Stephen Harper. But with the arrival of spring, hope is reborn."

And if hope is not enough, the NDP does not close the door to a coalition that could help drive the Harper government from power. "Our theme for this campaign is working together," Mulcair stressed. "The NDP is not afraid of the word coalition. We believe that the parties who are opposed to the Conservatives must work together. The last three governments elected had minorities. Things need to change, we need to adapt. We can not change governments every two years forever. Everyone must learn to put water in his wine."

Thomas Mulcair also expressed disappointment with the stance of the Liberals who, early in the campaign, rejected the idea of ​​forming a coalition with the NDP.

The first thing that comes to mind when you hear:

Stephen Harper? Coldness
Montreal? Opening
Coalition? Awesome (Génial)
Senate? Obsolete

 

Lens Solution

Stockholm wrote:

If anything is going to vastly INCREASE the chances of Quebec separating - it would be the election of a majority Conservative government with very representation in Quebec which would promptly alienate Quebecers and make them more likely to vote YES> 

Perhaps yes, perhaps no.  At this point in time the Conservatives still have 11 seats in Quebec, so they will argue that they have representation and support from Quebecers. 

Doug

NorthReport wrote:

Never underestimate the Liberal's ability to steal the NDP platform during the election campaign.

 

They pretty much stole the whole thing this time but it's not really helping. People on the left don't buy it and the swing voters on the centre-right the Liberals really ought to be going for to win don't want it.

NorthReport

Most voters concerned about AG's leaked report on G8 spending: Forum Research poll

Lorne Bozinoff, president of Forum Research, said he was not surprised at the high level of concern registered in the GTA-where citizens were most affected by the summits.

 

http://www.thehilltimes.ca/page/view/g8report-04-18-2011

NorthReport

Kenney's school chat not by the book
Charity status and election a bad fit

 

http://thechronicleherald.ca/Front/1238921.html

bekayne

Kootenay-Columbia NDP candidate on the gun registry:

http://golden.inthekoots.com/2011/04/15/an-interview-with-ndp-candidate-mark-shmigelsky/

Take the long gun registry, I haven’t been getting a lot of questions, but my position is to take a free vote that represents the constituents.  The vote does not belong to the party it belongs to the constituents.  If the gun registry issues comes again I will sit down with Rod & Gun clubs to find how we all feel, whether we are for it or against it, and that’s how we are going to vote.

Arthur Cramer Arthur Cramer's picture

If no one was asking, why did he have to open his big mouth? Some of these candidates are dumber then a bag of hammers!

Unionist

Arthur Cramer wrote:

If no one was asking, why did he have to open his big mouth? Some of these candidates are dumber then a bag of hammers!

He's probably fishing for votes and shooting for a win.

 

Life, the unive...

If you are an NDP supporter in midwestern Ontario- you owe Huron-Bruce's Grant Robertson a huge thank you.  He just knocked one out of the park on the live radio debate on CKNX.  Now Ontario wake up and elect this guy.

remind remind's picture

Well, what was it about?

Life, the unive...

The whole thing.   It was one of the best debate performances I've ever heard.  The topics were wide ranging from agriculture to corporate tax cuts and Robertson dominated it from start to finish.   This is the one that matters in this riding and the Liberals just blew it big time.

Unionist

Speaking of Mark Shmigelsky, I loved this excerpt from his interview (linked by acramer above):

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“I was asked in one part of the riding what to do about the downward spiral of the marijuana industry.  I said excuse me, what do you mean?  Apparently, grow ops in our riding are facing tough competition from grow ops in the lower mainland.  I had no idea.   Sorry, I can’t do anything about that.  It’s currently illegal.”

 

JeffWells

Layton comments on Harper's anti-Quebec messaging.

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Both the Nanos and the Leger polls suggest the support for the separatist party has dropped to near historic lows – just as Conservative Leader Stephen Harper is warning that a vote for any party other than his could lead to Quebec separation.

“I am discouraged to hear in these last 24 hours or so, the fires of discord being one again fanned when it comes to the nature of this country,” Mr. Layton said after meeting with Quebec City Mayor Régis Labeaume. “And I say to these other leaders, let’s not use an election to try to whip up division between Canadians and between Canadians and Quebeckers. Let’s use an election to talk about solutions and how we can come together.”

 

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/ottawa-notebook/delighted-w...

Anonymouse

Right on Grant! If the NDP is going to breakthrough in Ontario, the most likely place is Southwestern Ontario followed by a few seats in the GTA. Given that the Liberals hold virtually no seats in Southwestern Ontario...I gotta say...Liberals, get outta the way!

terra1st

Here's a link to another youtube video.

Slumberjack

Finally caught a glimpse this weekend of some local NDP activity in Cape Breton.  A small but determined looking sidewalk gathering were waving to those of us waiting at a red light.

remind remind's picture

Life, the universe, everything wrote:
The whole thing.   It was one of the best debate performances I've ever heard.  The topics were wide ranging from agriculture to corporate tax cuts and Robertson dominated it from start to finish.   This is the one that matters in this riding and the Liberals just blew it big time.

Grant would be a fantastic MP for any  constituency across Canada.

Is there any chance that the Con might on his way out? Or that all the Liberal vote could go to Grant? 

 

LProudfoot LProudfoot's picture

SO jealous of places that have good NDP candidates.

 

Life, the unive...

it will be tough, but if all the people I hear saying they would like to vote NDP (although to be honest a lot of that is not so much NDP but Grant himself) would actually do it, he would be well on his way.   Right now the first step is for the anti-Harper to get behind Robertson.  If that happens, defeating the Conservative Ben Lobb is a real possibility.  Trouble is that many in the Huron part of the riding don't know what a failure the Liberal candidate was as a mayor.  Although thanks to two calls into the debate today they now do.   That opens up the room needed for voters to realize the only campaign with enough legs to take on the Cons is Grant.   Time for Ontario to wake up to what is happening in the rest of the country.  Get off the sinking Ignatieff ship folks!!

Lens Solution

Harper's latest excuse for wanting a majority is that a Conservative majority is needed to stop Quebec separatism.  He's going around the country (today in Yellowknife) saying a Con majority is necessary to stop political instability in Quebec.

Harper as usual is full of lies for 2 reasons:

1.  Quebec can call a referendum regardless of who is in power in Ottawa or whether or not they have a majority (as Robert Fife pointed out to Harper in a question earlier today)

2.  Harper and his party are not very popular in Quebec and if he were to win a Conservative majority with the numbers he has now, he would have less support in Quebec than any majority Prime Minister in history and could cause an INCREASE in separatism in Quebec

 

Hopefully the NDP and the Liberals, along with the press, will take Harper to the woodshed on this one.

Boom Boom Boom Boom's picture

Stockholm wrote:
If anything is going to vastly INCREASE the chances of Quebec separating - it would be the election of a majority Conservative government with very representation in Quebec which would promptly alienate Quebecers and make them more likely to vote YES

Glad to see you finally found religion. I've been saying this all along. Laughing

Lens Solution

I just listened to Harper's press conference in Yellowknife a little while ago (where he took a few questions today unlike the other day in Saskatchewan where he refused to talk to the press).

There was one French reporter who asked Harper how he thought a Conservative majority would prevent Quebec separatism when Harper himself is not very popular in Quebec.

Hopefully other reporters will question him too and make sure he doesn't get away with this.

Boom Boom Boom Boom's picture

Unionist wrote:
He's probably fishing for votes and shooting for a win.

 

Laughing

gyor

The election tactics of both parties appears to be going off the rails. The consare trying to pass themselves off as thebest party on national unity and the libs are running on healthcae. It appears to be working for neither party.

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

I couldn't MAKE this shit up...

 

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20110418/liberals-at...

 

Unbelievable.

 

 

Lens Solution

What's so unbelievable about it?  Considering how many false attack ads the Conservatives have made on Ignatieff, I don't feel sorry for them for getting a taste of their own medicine. 

Lens Solution

Another issue that needs more attention is the number of Conservative candidates that are refusing to attend candidate debates.  It is happening all across the country and it happened here in Ottawa Centre over the weekend.  Paul Dewar (NDP) along with the Liberal and Green candidates showed up for the debate, but the Conservative candidate did not.

I almost think there should be a law requiring candidates to attend debates.  If they are going to be putting their names on a ballot as wanting to get elected as an MP and represent the public, then the public has the right to demand that they tell them what they stand for rather than hiding in the shadows.

Sean in Ottawa

How many ridings have active NDP campaigns?

I have a friend in Newmarket and there the NDP candidate is not even returning calls of offers for help.

She will have to vote for another party. That was discouraging to hear. Anyone know what is going on there?

 

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

Lens Solution wrote:

What's so unbelievable about it?  Considering how many false attack ads the Conservatives have made on Ignatieff, I don't feel sorry for them for getting a taste of their own medicine. 

I meant--unbelievable--that the Cons would make a case out of 'inflammatory' or 'untrue' charges in the way of attack ads seeing that that has been the Tory strategy since 2006.

I feel sorry for the Cons?...Not likely in this lifetime...And yes,it's about time they got a taste of their own medicine.

Btw,I'm sure the 'Tories' will spin this to try to paint the Liberals as desperate and reducing themselves to lies and attack ads.

The Reformers really must think Canadians are brain dead.

Lens Solution

As I mentioned above, I'd like to see the media start making a list of Conservatives who refuse to show up to candidate's debates in their ridings.  So far I'm aware of:

Damian Konstantinakos (Ottawa Centre)

Kelly Block (Saskatoon-Rosetown-Biggar) (where Harper was over the weekend and where he refused to answer press questions)

Julian Fantino (Vaughan)

RevolutionPlease RevolutionPlease's picture

Sean in Ottawa wrote:

How many ridings have active NDP campaigns?

I have a friend in Newmarket and there the NDP candidate is not even returning calls of offers for help.

She will have to vote for another party. That was discouraging to hear. Anyone know what is going on there?

 

I've only lived in the riding for a few years but I think it has to do with strategic voting for anyone but Lois Brown. She's very polarizing. At least last election I saw a few NDP signs but so far none this election. I think the NDP guy only got about 2,000 votes in 2008.

gyor

alan smithee wrote:

Lens Solution wrote:

What's so unbelievable about it?  Considering how many false attack ads the Conservatives have made on Ignatieff, I don't feel sorry for them for getting a taste of their own medicine. 

I meant--unbelievable--that the Cons would make a case out of 'inflammatory' or 'untrue' charges in the way of attack ads seeing that that has been the Tory strategy since 2006.

I feel sorry for the Cons?...Not likely in this lifetime...And yes,it's about time they got a taste of their own medicine.

Btw,I'm sure the 'Tories' will spin this to try to paint the Liberals as desperate and reducing themselves to lies and attack ads.

The Reformers really must think Canadians are brain dead.

Is it hypocritical of the cons? Yes.

Did it work to derail and embarrass the Liberals? Yes, Iggy is retracting the statement.

The Hypocracy is business as usual for the cons, the real news is that the cons succeeded in ruining the liberals messaging. The other hand the Cons attempts at messaging on national unity faired no better as most Quebecers hate him. At east Jacks messaging on fast transit from Quebec City to Windsor worked out well. In fact all his messaging worked well nobeing derailed for Jack.

Buddy Kat

Lens Solution wrote:

I just listened to Harper's press conference in Yellowknife a little while ago (where he took a few questions today unlike the other day in Saskatchewan where he refused to talk to the press).

There was one French reporter who asked Harper how he thought a Conservative majority would prevent Quebec separatism when Harper himself is not very popular in Quebec.

Hopefully other reporters will question him too and make sure he doesn't get away with this.

 

Yeah it's really the opposite..if the conservatives were wiped out , that would prevent Quebec separatism....a conservative majority would be a good reason to seperate ...the Kons must be Krushed!

 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0eQgUpkJ1Q

gyor

RevolutionPlease wrote:
Sean in Ottawa wrote:

How many ridings have active NDP campaigns?

I have a friend in Newmarket and there the NDP candidate is not even returning calls of offers for help.

She will have to vote for another party. That was discouraging to hear. Anyone know what is going on there?

 

I've only lived in the riding for a few years but I think it has to do with strategic voting for anyone but Lois Brown. She's very polarizing. At least last election I saw a few NDP signs but so far none this election. I think the NDP guy only got about 2,000 votes in 2008.

I lived in Newmarket about a year or so ago and have lived there before and still visit upper Canads Mall. Newmarket is one of the best designed towns I have ever seen and I hate who ever is running for the ndp, in the riding because are phoning it in and the people of Newmarket deserve better. This person better not be on the ballot for the ndp next time. At least I don't have to worry about that in my riding of Markham-Oakridhes. Janice Hagan may have been a lly ittle slow getting started but I see plenty of her signs even if she is still slightly behind the other guys. Still suggest to your friend in newmarket that she voluunteer for Janice Hagan's campaign. Oakridges is the town just south of Aurora so it is not far from the riding at all.

Searosia

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Another issue that needs more attention is the number of Conservative candidates that are refusing to attend candidate debates.  It is happening all across the country and it happened here in Ottawa Centre over the weekend.  Paul Dewar (NDP) along with the Liberal and Green candidates showed up for the debate, but the Conservative candidate did not.

 

I beleive this is true in all Calgary ridings...yet to find one where the conservative incombant actually showed up to their debate. I think in all cases, they had received official letters asking them to attend too.

 

 

 

Sean - if it means anything, all calgary ridings have active NDP campaigns to some degree and they won't turn down new volunteers (I have heard certain ridings can't cover their phones for large periods of the day)...though you could barely tell an election campaign is being run here by any party, I've seen 3 signs (2 of them jokes someone put up at the drop-in center) in my downtown riding.

Boom Boom Boom Boom's picture

If a Con candidate refuses to debate, there should be a shop mannequin in their place with his or her name attached - and questions directed to it. The Moderator can remind viewers each time that the Con candidate refuses to answer. Laughing

gyor

Boom Boom wrote:

If a Con candidate refuses to debate, there should be a shop mannequin in their place with his or her name attached - and questions directed to it. The Moderator can remind viewers each time that the Con candidate refuses to answer. Laughing

Wouldn't work no one would be able to tell the con wasn't there, because if they were there won't be much difference!

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

I must say that the surge in NDP popularity in Quebec is very promising..One of the only bright spots in this election.

Northern Shoveler Northern Shoveler's picture

Arthur Cramer wrote:

If no one was asking, why did he have to open his big mouth? Some of these candidates are dumber then a bag of hammers!

He is running in a valley that has a very large guiding industry and some of the best big game hunting in the world.  No it doesn't play the same in the city.  I think he might know what his voter base is and this is a tough riding for the NDP but not unwinnable.  Here is another example of a Liberal running for the NDP.  Like Boivin in Quebec what purity test is required?  I think the NDP has gone to far to the right and watered down many of its positions to the point that Liberals feel comfortable running under its banner.  It may bring electoral success and isn't that the point that the social democrats on this board go on about over and over. So get over it.

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For a little background, Shmigelsky is married with two children.  He has lived in Invermere for 23 years.  He first arrived as a hockey player, coming from the Vernon Lakers to play for the Columbia Valley Rockies.  His team won the Cyclone Taylor Cup and he’s never left since.  He worked for 21 years at a sawmill in Radium, when it shut down he worked for Tembec Forest Product in Canal Flats.

In 1993 he was elected a Town Councillor and served two terms.  In 1999, at 29 years old, he was elected Mayor of Invermere and served three terms.  He also served as Director for nine years on the Regional District of East Kootenay, and nine years as a Board Member on the East Kootenay Regional Hospital District.  In the election of 1997, he ran for the federal Liberals.  After a period away from politics, Shmigelsky is back running for the NDP.

Arthur Cramer Arthur Cramer's picture

@northershoveller:

You know, I will be the first to admit that I don't have a lot of "inside baseball" knowldege as it pertains to politics here in this country, especially outside my own riding.

All I was saying is, I wish New Dems would not go looking for issues when none exist. Ok, so that might help him. Well surprise, surprise, it might. Well I didnt' know that. I still don't like it. If there are Libs running as New Dems, I don't like it. If that is what happens and influences where the NDP goes as a party, so be it. I get that. I don't like. That was all I was saying.

Why don't you get over it?

JKR

Arthur Cramer wrote:
If there are Libs running as New Dems, I don't like it.

Is it that easy to differentiate a "Liberal" from an "NDP'er"?

Most politicians on the centre-left can fit easily into both parties.

It seems to me that there is little difference between people like Gary Doer, Bob Rae, Ujjal Dosanj, Daryl Dexter, Ken Dryden, Peter Julian, Carolyn Bennet, Pat Martin, etc...

 

adma

Lens Solution wrote:

Another issue that needs more attention is the number of Conservative candidates that are refusing to attend candidate debates.  It is happening all across the country and it happened here in Ottawa Centre over the weekend.  Paul Dewar (NDP) along with the Liberal and Green candidates showed up for the debate, but the Conservative candidate did not.

I almost think there should be a law requiring candidates to attend debates.  If they are going to be putting their names on a ballot as wanting to get elected as an MP and represent the public, then the public has the right to demand that they tell them what they stand for rather than hiding in the shadows.

 

Though IIRC debate no-shows were also commonplace among Mike Harris Ontario Tories in 1999--and they won, anyway...

gyor

They are Tory's not showing up can only help them.

Aristotleded24

Northern Shoveler wrote:
Here is another example of a Liberal running for the NDP.  Like Boivin in Quebec what purity test is required?  I think the NDP has gone to far to the right and watered down many of its positions to the point that Liberals feel comfortable running under its banner.  It may bring electoral success and isn't that the point that the social democrats on this board go on about over and over. So get over it.

For one, the Liberals whipped their vote in favour of the registry. The other thing is that the gun registry is very unpopular in Western Canada regardless of pary affiliation, as evidenced by NDP opposition to Bill C-68 when it was brought in. Remember that Nathan Cullen and Nikki Ashton voted with Hoeppner's bill all the way, and I'd wager a guess that if the caucus elected in 1988 were to vote in the issue that the bill would still have had the same level of support.

As to why a Liberal is running? Who knows? There is a soft-left vote in Canada that wants to vote Liberal to stop the Conservatives. Maybe that is why he's running as NDP this time.

Lens Solution

Tory minister's office hired niece of Carson’s girlfriend in 2008


In 2008, the office of Conservative cabinet minister Gary Lunn hired a relative of Bruce Carson’s then-girlfriend, a former prostitute who was convicted in the United States of money laundering, The Globe and Mail has learned.

Though she had no particular relevant experience or Conservative Party background, Sarifa Khan worked from March to September of 2008 as a ministerial staffer in Mr. Lunn’s office, a job usually coveted by young staffers to Tory MPs.

 

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/tory-ministers-office-hired...

 

 

Malcolm Malcolm's picture

I suspect that an EX-Libeal is running for the NDP because he came to realize that the values the Liberal Party expouses in public are not, in fact, the values the Liberal Party actually believes.

Lots of good New Democrats are ex-something else.

janfromthebruce

exactly - remember the NDP is a younger party in terms of family generations in comparison to the Liberals and/or Conservatives.

 

 

Malcolm wrote:

I suspect that an EX-Libeal is running for the NDP because he came to realize that the values the Liberal Party expouses in public are not, in fact, the values the Liberal Party actually believes.

Lots of good New Democrats are ex-something else.

______________________________________________________________________________________ Our kids live together and play together in their communities, let's have them learn together too!

NorthReport

Finally there is one Leader who is going to fight to protect and expand universal single payer health care in Canada.

 

Layton says he'll stare down Quebec on private health care

 

http://www.torontosun.com/2011/04/18/layton-says-hell-stare-down-quebec-...

duncan cameron

Chantal Hébert has a little fun at the expense of the Liberals this a.m. She quotes from the campaign pledges of the Cons and the Libs on medicare without revealing at first which is which. When I guessed, I had them reversed. Her point is that the Liberal switch to the defence of Medicare is unlikely to work any better than the earlier themes.

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/politics/article/976633--hebert-chang...

NorthReport

Thanks Duncan, good article.

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Divided, Harper stands: how the left-wing split could return the Conservatives to power.

 

 

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/decision-canada/Vote+splitting+likely+...

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