Good News! Frm NDP MP Dan Harris CLEARED In Satellite Offices Dispute

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Good News! Frm NDP MP Dan Harris CLEARED In Satellite Offices Dispute

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quizzical

so the dirty tricks of the Liberals and Conservatives to suppress NDP votes during the election are now being exposed.

Debater

Hold your horses, quizzical.

This appears to just be one individual case that has been cleared up so far based on the paperwork.

This doesn't necessarily resolve the overall court case that is still proceeding, nor does it show that 'dirty tricks' were involved.

Remember, as Robert Fife pointed out a while back, this wasn't just some partisan witch hunt against the NDP.  The Clerk of the House of Commons and the non-partisan Commons officials also revealed that the NDP had mishandled itself in the handling of the satellite offices.

Basement Dweller

This, and the Saudi arms deal, is the beginning of the decline of the Justin Liberals.

quizzical

i don't know Robert Fife and how would he know?

i don't believe there's non-partisans in Ottawa or working for the government, and even if they were NDP supporters let's say, they weren't going to go against the Harper government's wishes or their jobs would've been gone.

as tt post says his was the largest alleged "mishandling". i expect the others to follow suit. could be wrong. i doubt it though.

 

Debater

I doubt it, Basement Dweller.

No one cares about the satelitte office issue, and it certainly isn't the fault of the Liberals.

Not sure about the Saudi arms deal's effect, although the labour movement & many NDP supporters (eg. Jerry Dias) have been supportive of that, as well.

quizzical

not the Liberals fault? they sided with the Conservatives on this it sure a fk is.

 

and who are you to say no one cares?

a lot are going to care when they find out about the dirty tricks.

terrytowel

Former NDP MP Dan Harris (Scarborough-Southwest) had owed $141,467.00

Which did seem large for an Ontario MP. The other MPs who owe six-figures are Quebec MPs. But Harris seemed quite large for the only NDP MP with a six figure expense owing. The House financing department also thought so to. So after he was defeated Harris gathered up all his papers, put together a report and sent it off to the House financing department to dispute the charges.

He was able to show that his staffer was only working for HIM, and that the staffer only spent a few days at this satalitte office. The House financing department reviwed the materials and agreed it was a mistake that he was accussed to misapropriating funds.

Harris did have his wages garnished, and he expects to be re-embursed for that money as well.

Video below

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/harris-ndp-satellite-office-exonerated-1...

terrytowel

quizzical wrote:

as tt post says his was the largest alleged "mishandling". i expect the others to follow suit. could be wrong. i doubt it though.

The MPs that owe six figures are all from Quebec. Harris was the sole Ontario MP to owe in the six fgures. House financing found that strange, so they asked Harris for additional paperwork to investigate further.

quizzical wrote:

not the Liberals fault? they sided with the Conservatives on this it sure a fk is.

Because the Liberals were the third party at the time, they only had one vote compared to the Conservatives who have a majority on the panel. We don't know how the vote broke down because it is secret. But the outcome would have been the same because of the Cons majority on that panel.

BTW to watch the interview online in my OP.

Ken Burch Ken Burch's picture

It's only a matter of time before the NDP is totally exonerated on these bogus charges.

quizzical

tt they heavily slammed the NDP on this publically. and what a fkn nerve they had to do so.....

 

i agree Ken

Basement Dweller

Just Liberals being Liberals.

terrytowel

Basement Dweller wrote:

Just Liberals being Liberals.

I personally think this was a witch hunt against the NDP.

Having that don't forget it was the Conservatives who did this with their majority. The Liberals only had one vote on the Board of Internal Economy. Now matter how they voted, the outcome would have been the same.

With Dan Harris being exoenerated, maybe the Liberals are working behind the scenes to make this go away as a measure of Good Faith. Who knows?

quizzical

as i said tt the Liberal mp's including Justin were trashing the NDP on TV constantly about this. so don't be trying to hid behind "they only had 1 vote".

quizzical

you added the last sentnce terry before i posted mine response. nice fabrication spin of what "might" be happening by the fabulous Liberals ffs.

terrytowel

quizzical wrote:

as i said tt the Liberal mp's including Justin were trashing the NDP on TV constantly about this. so don't be trying to hid behind "they only had 1 vote".

So what would you want them to say?

quizzical

wtf?

you maintained they only had one vote so couldn't have used this to beat the NDP vote down and pretend "we're all corrupt" "so vote for us".

i maintain the 1 vote is sfa the Liberals did so falsely IMV use this to undercut the NDP vote and get where they are now.

imv the "strategists" had this all trumped up and fools fell for it. 

terrytowel

quizzical wrote:

i maintain the 1 vote is sfa the Liberals did so falsely IMV use this to undercut the NDP vote and get where they are now.

They don't call politics a blood sport for nothing.

Again what should have the Liberals done it this situation, when the Conservatives had a majority on the BOE

quizzical

they could kept their mouths shut publically until everything was  actually found to be false or true with their knowing what lying liars the Conservatives are.

but no the Liberals didn't wait for due process on the allegations and lyingly trashed the NDP too.

if you don't think this factored into Harris losing his seat i own a bridge you can buy. his personal reputation was tarnished by both the Liberals and the Cons.

imv he should sue the Liberal Party for slander for what they said about him during the election campaign. and so should all the others when they're cleared.

eta. and thinking politics is a blood spot is to condone it. i don't. we need to get rid of this type of thinking and behaviour not condone it. they're nothin more than our employees and we need to start demanding accountability from them ALL

terrytowel

quizzical wrote:

if you don't think this factored into Harris losing his seat i own a bridge you can buy. his personal reputation was tarnished by both the Liberals and the Cons.

imv he should sue the Liberal Party for slander for what they said about him during the election campaign. and so should all the others when they're cleared.

I believe Bill Blair took the high road and didn't discuss it, but the CON candidate did put the expense scandal in his literature. So if Harris needs to sue anybody it should be the Conservative Party!

quizzical

ya, i don't like Bill Blair much after his recent ignorant comments on marijuana. if he's so infammatory about marijuana i can't imagine he'd keep his mouth shut on something like this.

maybe there's someone around from the Harris campaign who could verify what you say  TT.

terrytowel

quizzical wrote:

ya, i don't like Bill Blair much after his recent ignorant comments on marijuana. if he's so infammatory about marijuana i can't imagine he'd keep his mouth shut on something like this.

maybe there's someone around from the Harris campaign who could verify what you say  TT.

What did he say about marijuana?

quizzical

how the Liberal have to protect children from the "ravgages of marijuana use" plus a bit more. i wanna protect children from the ravages of ritalin use.

tt i think the full quote and link is in the Trudeau Bravo thread.

Sean in Ottawa

terrytowel wrote:

quizzical wrote:

if you don't think this factored into Harris losing his seat i own a bridge you can buy. his personal reputation was tarnished by both the Liberals and the Cons.

imv he should sue the Liberal Party for slander for what they said about him during the election campaign. and so should all the others when they're cleared.

I believe Bill Blair took the high road and didn't discuss it, but the CON candidate did put the expense scandal in his literature. So if Harris needs to sue anybody it should be the Conservative Party!

Quizzical is right here. This is not a unique concept -- if you repeat that someone has done something wrong before a legal process and a legal finding you ought to be liable for damages should they be cleared. Campaigning peoplea re not exempt. If the Liberals used this and can be proved to have used this then Harris ought to be able to sue. Same thing with the Conservatives.

Further, in the case of an election if the thing that was said can be proven to make the difference in an election campaign a new election in that riding ought to be held. In this case a court would like have to use evidence to make a finding in terms of impact and then that would be compared with how close the results were. So if the court ordered that a reasonable estimate would be a move of 2% and the person lost by 1% then a new election should be held for that riding.

At various times all parties might find this both useful and fair when a clear wrong has occurred.

In the present case Harris lost by some 19 percent. A court could determine that the campaign was affected but the impact was far less than the margin of his loss (he would have lost anyway). It might refuse to call a new vote but it might award some monetary compensation to loss of reputation.

Mr. Magoo Mr. Magoo's picture

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In the present case Harris lost by some 19 percent. A court could determine that the campaign was affected but the impact was far less than the margin of his loss (he would have lost anyway). It might refuse to call a new vote but it might award some monetary compensation to loss of reputation.

It *could* determine, and it *might* refuse?

It's pretty hard to imagine that the results of the vote in this riding were all about someone being accused of something that most voters probably don't even know is of concern, nevermind giving a rat's ass about.

As for damages, we already have defamation laws, don't we?

terrytowel

Sean in Ottawa wrote:

If the Liberals used this and can be proved to have used this then Harris ought to be able to sue. Same thing with the Conservatives.

Well then Harris should sue the Conservative candidate because he did put the issue in his campaign flyers and spread it all over the riding. I don't think Bill Blair used this issue in his campaigning. I could be wrong, but I live in the neighbouring riding and I heard nothing from Bill Blair team about this. In fact I don't think Blair mentioned the Dan Harris situation at all. Just for the fact that local polling showed Blair ahead of Harris, so Blair didn't feel the need  to get negative about Harris.

But the Conservative in the riding was in third (behind Harris) and used it to attack Harris. So Dan has a case against the Conservative candidate. But I heard nothing from Blair team about it, just for the fact he was ahead in polling he didn't see a reason to bring it up. Now Magazine was on "Bill Blair" watch, covering his every move. Believe me if Blair even mentioned the Satalitte Office issue, Now would have reported his remarks. But Blair really didn't use it as a campaign issue.

So just go after the CONS for it!