Green Party Leadership Debates

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melovesproles
Green Party Leadership Debates

Anyone watch these?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sa_ATdGAzWU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCUFiyuZFTg

I don't know a lot about the candidates and the majority of them spewed the usual 'not left or right but forward' BS but I thought Meryam Haddad, Dimitri Lascaris and Annamie Paul all sounded like strong possible picks.

MegB

Dimitri Lascaria is the best of the bunch - wicked smart, very progressive and a truly decent human being.

Misfit Misfit's picture

What really scared me about the Green candidates is that they are ideologically all over the map. One, in fact, sounded like an environmental Conservstive discussing cutting "out of control" deficit spending and then talking about solid  social program investments in another segment.
 

Ok, they like the environment and are all anti-pipeline, but they are shallow on everything else and have no cohesive vision for running the country. One, in fact, claimed that some social programs were invented by the Greens and the NDP latched onto them because they sounded popular, and this came from the mouth of one of the more credible hopefuls.
 

One candidate really stood out but sounded more like a future leadership hopeful for the NDP than to lead that scattery group. Your candidates have to have more of a cohesive ideology and grounding in order to be credible and I didn't get that from the debates tonight. They need some kind of manifesto that they can all agree on.

They lack depth and substance and should just go away and die as a political party. And the one who really shone will likely win the leadership and the party will continue to be a festering hemorrhoid for the NDP for years to come. 
 

And, before there was the Green Party there was the NDP. The NDP has always been a home for socially conscious environmentalists. There are many socially conscious environmentalists within the NDP. It is much easier just to revamp the NDP than it is to pretend that a flaky  "environmental" party is a constructive asset to this country.

And the 1% stands to benefit the most by keeping the left divided between two parties, which may explain why the Green Party has always worked with a junk constitution and is not even a credible environmentalist party.

Unite the Right also means divide the left and keep it perpetually decentralized and destabilized with ongoing cluster fuck nuttiness. The Harper Conservatives don't want an organized NDP and they don't want a real environmental party like other countries have that can gain any relevant foothold in this country. The oil sector and Bay Street is guaranteed to win all the time with a Liberal/Conservativr two party corporate establishment party system just like the United States has.

melovesproles

 

Dimitri Lascaria is the best of the bunch - wicked smart, very progressive and a truly decent human being.

Yeah, I'm impressed. This was a good interview:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXHtbz2o-zA

The NDP hasn't had leadership with a grasp like that on foreign policy in my lifetime. I wonder if he has a shot.

Misfit Misfit's picture

Dimitri Lascaria is the most refreshing breath of fresh air that I have had the pleasure of listening to in such a long time. He needs to draft a strong manifesto that speaks to his cause. He needs to effectively weed out the superficial riff raff from the party and then I believe we will have the political party that the left can truly rally behind.
 

He is a fantastic leader but he needs to re-create the Green Party into something concrete and tangible and I think he plans to do just that. :)

eastnoireast

the gpc has been internally trashed by the scorched-earth cult politics of e may, but it's nice to see it on the mend.  there's a lot of capable people who have been waiting for her to clear before returning.

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https://www.google.ca/amp/s/nationalpost.com/news/canada/green-party-sets-leadership-contest-rules-to-elect-new-leader-in-october/wcm/822e37b3-db9e-40c0-a414-ad576417bb60/amp/

According to this article dated February 3, 2020:

“A three-member vetting committee will review applications and can deny any candidate the chance to run without explaining why”.

Perhaps this is to weed out any potential undesirable leadership hopefuls who do not fit with the vision of the party establishment. 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Green_Party_of_Canada_leadership_election

“Lascaris' candidacy was rejected by the party's vetting committee, which was appealed.[34] The appeal was accepted on June 2, and his candidacy was reinstated and approved.[74]”

He was the only candidate who was rejected and had to have his chance to run appealed. This tells me that he is already considered an outsider from within the Green Party of Canada and that the party is resistant to any formal change in vision or direction.

Island Girl

It is unfortunate to see that people still need a "label" (left or right) to help them identify with a party's platform. It's so 20th century. Let's start living in the 21st century. The policy platform of the Green Party of Canada speaks for itself and I urge people to actually read the party's plaform. I left the NDP because I am sick and tired of partisan politics, anti-Green propaganda and scare tactics. Canadians have made it clear they want to see a parliament that works more cooperatively in the best interests of all Canadians. The status quo parties donot even have this principal in their constitutions, the GP does. The candidates standing for the GP Leadership is the most exciting slate of leadership candidates from ALL regions of the country that I have ever seen. Not only is it a great time to be Green but it's also a critical time to Green.

Misfit Misfit's picture

Political ideology is a big deal and political parties don't just "get along" because they have radically different cultural, regional, fiscal, and social ideologies and agendas.

melovesproles

Yeah I agree with Misfit. The post-ideology rhetoric is a huge red flag. Political movements come out of political traditions. If you can't ground yourself in history at all, you are either hiding something and being dishonest or your analysis is very superficial. If the Greens are going to continue to refuse to pick a side, they shouldn't be taken seriously. That and the 'beyond partisan politics' while constantly dumping on the NDP rhetoric of the May-led Greens was why I could never consider voting for them Federally.

kropotkin1951

My MP is Gord Johns, one of if not the hardest working green MP in the House. EMay has done nothing compared to the Bills he has put forward and got passed. I hate party politics because all parties are run by control freaks however since we all only elect one MP not a party I know who I will support.

pietro_bcc

The policy platform of the Green Party of Canada speaks for itself and I urge people to actually read the party's plaform.

Indeed people should, if they did they would realize that the Green party isn't actually a party that believes in environmental sustainability, its just a brand. See the Green Party's policy in the last election that called for the construction of more crude oil refineries (and presumably though not explicitely stated, pipelines to feed these new refineries.) The Green party excused this saying it would decrease emissions because this would displace foreign fuels from overseas. Nonsense.

Island Girl

pietro_bcc, what planet do you come from? Clearly responses to my comment just prove my point: pick a side! We can really see how that has made the world a better place. It also amazes me how NDPers get so rattled by a party that has the enviorment at its center calling them "flakes" and "air-heads" just like the Conservatives! We need a progressive Green party be cause the NDP thinks envirnmentalists are flakes and air heads.  Just keep putting your foot in your mouth . . . it looks pretty confortable there. Enough said.

pietro_bcc

Island Girl wrote:

pietro_bcc, what planet do you come from? Clearly responses to my comment just prove my point: pick a side! We can really see how that has made the world a better place. It also amazes me how NDPers get so rattled by a party that has the enviorment at its center calling them "flakes" and "air-heads" just like the Conservatives! We need a progressive Green party be cause the NDP thinks envirnmentalists are flakes and air heads.  Just keep putting your foot in your mouth . . . it looks pretty confortable there. Enough said.

I suggest you follow your own advice and read the green party platform.

https://www.greenparty.ca/sites/default/files/mission_possible_letter_en...

From the Green Party's "Mission Possible" plan point #13

" Turn off the tap to oil importsEnd all imports of foreign oil. As fossil fuel use declines, use only Canadian fossil fuels and allow investment in upgraders to turn Canadian solid bitumen into gas, diesel, propane and other products for the Canadian market, providing jobs in Alberta. By 2050, shift all Canadian bitumen f rom fuel to feedstock for the petrochemical industry."

The Green party's platform last election was in favor of investing in new oil refineries, to refine tarsands bitumen to displace foreign oils and was only in favor of stopping to use the tarsands in 2050. As I also stated the plan doesn't explicitely call for new pipelines, but if you're building a bunch of new refineries to process Canadian crude, you would need some way to transport the oil to them.

kropotkin1951

Island Girl wrote:

We need a progressive Green party be cause the NDP thinks envirnmentalists are flakes and air heads.  Just keep putting your foot in your mouth . . . it looks pretty confortable there. Enough said.

I like my Island MP he is a very effective environmentalist. I have to laugh at people who claim to be non-partisan and then dismiss all MP's from other parties because they don't belong to their party. EMay was in parliament for an eternity and didn't accomplish as much as Gord Johns has in two terms. She was a flake, sorry if you don't see that but I get that love is blind.