How the NDP frustrates me

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ReeferMadness wrote:

Welcome to Rabble, Pegasus.  It's too bad that your introduction consisted largely of people lining up to call you a liar and a troll.  Their evidence against you (referring to the NDP Party) is flimsy and clearly the response is related to the fact that you are offering negative commentary on the NDP>  If you had come with the exact same story but a different party, that wouldn't have happened.   I hope you stick around, though.

 

Horse hockey.

Pegasus's story is what's flimsy, and it is perfectly reasonable in the face of so flimsy a story to question a) its veracity and b) why its being posted here instead of being pursued in some venue that could result in actual resolution.

As to the vetting process having supposedly failed in Berthier - Maskinongé, could you please provide your evidence that Ruth Ellen Brosseau has been involved in past scandalous conduct that would serve to bring the NDP into disrepute.  The vetting process is not (and should not be) about determining if a candidate is a good candidate or a good candidate for the seat.  That is not and should not be up to the central party.  The vetting process is about weeding out yutz's who might, I don't know, post videos of themselves driving around Vancouver stoned, or skinny dip with underage kids or have an online record of saying appallingly sexist things about women.  Y'know, like happened in 08.

So, since you want to claim the vetting process has failed, present your evidence of Ruth Ellen Brosseau's scandalous past.

Fidel

And thnx for bringing up yet another crucial issue concerning the democracy gap in Bananada or the gap-canyon in our case... democracy, that is, and not head bananas in the phony majority conservative govmint.

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6GItPJphLw]Harper lied[/url] about fixed election dates. 

Democracy Watch wrote:
"The Conservatives' claim that their law fixed federal election dates is as false as their claim that the Accountability Act cleaned up the federal government," ... "Instead of fixing the date of the next election, the Conservatives are trying to fix the results of the next election."

"D" Watchers on election rigging Tory style. I guess even phony-baloney majorities are not an easy thing to come by anymore in the frozen Puerto Rico with a few homeless Polar bears and some pipelines running north-south across'a border. "D" is the right's most hated institution long time.

ReeferMadness

Doug wrote:

ReeferMadness wrote:

I know that the NDP isn't alone in running placeholder candidates but I'm not familiar with stories from the other parties that are as ludicrous as these.  Are you?

In any case, the system is broken and the parties need to step up and do better.

 

I am. Have a look at the new MP for Lethbridge.

I agree that this is pretty bad.  I'm not sure it's quite in the same league, though.

He did campaign, however slightly.  They have a picture of him at a 'meet and greet' forum.  He claims to have some political background.  He does speak the native language of the local population.  Apparently, he has been to the riding where he was interviewed by CTV radio and dropped off signs.  And he apparently even granted a radio interview.  It doesn't seem right, though.  We should be able to expect better of people who represent us in Ottawa.

 

Malcolm Malcolm's picture

ReeferMadness wrote:

I know that the NDP isn't alone in running placeholder candidates but I'm not familiar with stories from the other parties that are as ludicrous as these.  Are you?

 

Of course, the media didn't decide to launch into a wave of class-baiting when an assortment of placeholders won for the Conservatives in 1984.  I'm sure it has nothing to do with the fact that this placeholder is a working class woman elected for the New Democrats while those were mostly corporate placeholders elected for the Conservatives.

Seems to me, RM, that you just want to join in the MSM class-baiting lynch mob.

Fidel

We should keep an eye out for any smears or ethnic slurs here. The Moran family will often give themselves away like that.

Malcolm Malcolm's picture

ReeferMadness wrote:

I'm responding to posts by hyper-partisan NDPers who claim their party is being victimized. 

 

I don't recall anyone claiming the NDP was being victimized.  As I see it, a working class single mom has been victimized by both the MSM and by a handful of bitter and twisted Liberal hacks.

And you seem quite happy to join the mob.

Perhaps you should ponder who you're siding with here.

Fidel

Yep, sour grapes and twisted hax. They should just GET A LEADER and start over. lol! 

ReeferMadness

Malcolm wrote:

ReeferMadness wrote:

I'm responding to posts by hyper-partisan NDPers who claim their party is being victimized. 

 

I don't recall anyone claiming the NDP was being victimized.  As I see it, a working class single mom has been victimized by both the MSM and by a handful of bitter and twisted Liberal hacks.

And you seem quite happy to join the mob.

Perhaps you should ponder who you're siding with here.

I'm not on anybody's side. I don't need to phone party HQ to clear my point of view.

If Brosseau was victimized by anyone it's the bright light inside your party that convinced her to sign up for a campaign that she had no intention of running.  A campaign she wasn't capable of running because she couldn't speak the language.   The bright lights inside your organization couldn't figure out just how ridiculous it would look if the media got hold of it.  And from where I sit, it looks plenty ridiculous. 

Were you that bright light, Malcolm?  Is that why you're getting so upset?

Whatever is in the MSM, whatever the Liberals are doing, has nothing to do with me.  Your party fucked up.  And you got caught.  Deal with it.

wage zombie

ReeferMadness wrote:

Your party fucked up.  And you got caught.  Deal with it.

What are you talking about?

Ken Burch

Can you at least stop repeating the same three points over and over?  You've said them all already.  Ruth Ellen Brosseau's election is eccentric, but it's not a moral outrage.

And if you're not really obsessed about Ms. Brosseau, why do you keep referencing HER over and over and over?

Can you at least talk about a different candidate for awhile? 

Does it always HAVE to be about Ms. Brosseau?  And it's silly to act as if the party should apologize for her nomination.  The voters were ok with her.  Why isn't that enough until the NEXT election?

Are you just going to keep going on and on about this until everyone agrees with you?  You know that's not going to happen, so why bother belaboring this anymore?

Isn't it possible that the voters simply put principle BEFORE the relatively meaningless question of personality?  After all, few MP's are actually elected primarily on their individual merits, and most win because of the voters' feelings about the positions held by the parties those candidates stand for.

When you argue(as you essentially have)that the will of the voters in this riding simply doesn't matter, aren't you taking an essentially anti-democratic position?

pegasus

What bothers me is that Brousseau did no work in her riding that she represented. She didn't have to move to this riding, nor visit. I have done quite a bit of work for the NDP and now I plan to move to a riding where the NDP is not represented in the House of Commons and do all the work necessary to try to become a candidate. But what I fear is another Berthier-Maskinonge, where I'm sure there were NDP activists, Ms. Bousseau had to get her list of names from someone going door-to-door, but none of those activists were chosen to run by Mr. Layton.

Ken Burch

My interpretation of that is that, while it is usual for a candidate to win under such circumstances, such things happen sometimes when there is an unexpected swing to a particular party.  What was the NDP supposed to do...simply not nominate candidates in the ridings where they didn't have riding associations?  That would have left no place else for people who wanted to vote for that party's values to go.  They had no home with the Bloc(since all the people who were turning away from the Bloc wouldn't have just gone back to it), none with the Liberals or Tories, and certainly none with the Greens.  This usual situation produced an unusual result.

(Question: Is Ms. Brosseau's riding the one YOU wished to contest, pegagus?  If that were the case, it would only be fair for you to disclose that information at this point in the discussion.)

It is as if the NDP is being asked to apologize for not leaving this riding uncontested. 

Unless the MP-elect in question were to have turned out to be an axe murderer or a Balkan war criminal, such a demand is never appropriate.

Next time, they will have a riding association in Berthier and stronger ones throughout Quebec.  If this candidate has turned out to be unfit for the task(which isn't likely)she'll be removed and someone else will be nominated.

And the intemperate posts of another participant in this discussion have actually somewhat sabotaged a valid point he was trying to make, a point I could actually agree with...in future elections, there should be at least consideration of a residency requirement for any candidates seeking to contest a riding. 

 

BT, it's Brosseau, not "Brousseaut".  It really looks like your misspelling of her name was intentional disrespect. 

I hope you'll agree that this particular candidate has been hounded enough and that she should be taken off of the hot seat at this point.

pegasus

Ken Burch wrote:

My interpretation of that is that, while it is usual for a candidate to win under such circumstances, such things happen sometimes when there is an unexpected swing to a particular party.  What was the NDP supposed to do...simply not nominate candidates in the ridings where they didn't have riding associations?  That would have left no place else for people who wanted to vote for that party's values to go.  They had no home with the Bloc(since all the people who were turning away from the Bloc wouldn't have just gone back to it), none with the Liberals or Tories, and certainly none with the Greens.  This usual situation produced an unusual result.

(Question: Is Ms. Brosseau's riding the one YOU wished to contest, pegagus?  If that were the case, it would only be fair for you to disclose that information at this point in the discussion.)

It is as if the NDP is being asked to apologize for not leaving this riding uncontested. 

Unless the MP-elect in question were to have turned out to be an axe murderer or a Balkan war criminal, such a demand is never appropriate.

Next time, they will have a riding association in Berthier and stronger ones throughout Quebec.  If this candidate has turned out to be unfit for the task(which isn't likely)she'll be removed and someone else will be nominated.

And the intemperate posts of another participant in this discussion have actually somewhat sabotaged a valid point he was trying to make, a point I could actually agree with...in future elections, there should be at least consideration of a residency requirement for any candidates seeking to contest a riding. 

 

BT, it's Brosseau, not "Brousseaut".  It really looks like your misspelling of her name was intentional disrespect. 

I hope you'll agree that this particular candidate has been hounded enough and that she should be taken off of the hot seat at this point.

You avoided the question. There were obvious NDP activists in Brosseau's riding. Why were none of them chosen to run in that riding by Mr. Layton?

pegasus

pegasus wrote:

Ken Burch wrote:

 

(Question: Is Ms. Brosseau's riding the one YOU wished to contest, pegagus?  If that were the case, it would only be fair for you to disclose that information at this point in the discussion.)

 

I couldn't care less which riding I ran in. I just wanted the opportunity to run.

babbler 8

pegasus wrote:

You avoided the question. There were obvious NDP activists in Brosseau's riding. Why were none of them chosen to run in that riding by Mr. Layton?

 

Are you sure there were? I'm not convinced, and if there were ones that were suitable candidates I doubt they were wiiling to run. 

Ken Burch

pegasus wrote:

Ken Burch wrote:

My interpretation of that is that, while it is usual for a candidate to win under such circumstances, such things happen sometimes when there is an unexpected swing to a particular party.  What was the NDP supposed to do...simply not nominate candidates in the ridings where they didn't have riding associations?  That would have left no place else for people who wanted to vote for that party's values to go.  They had no home with the Bloc(since all the people who were turning away from the Bloc wouldn't have just gone back to it), none with the Liberals or Tories, and certainly none with the Greens.  This usual situation produced an unusual result.

(Question: Is Ms. Brosseau's riding the one YOU wished to contest, pegagus?  If that were the case, it would only be fair for you to disclose that information at this point in the discussion.)

It is as if the NDP is being asked to apologize for not leaving this riding uncontested. 

Unless the MP-elect in question were to have turned out to be an axe murderer or a Balkan war criminal, such a demand is never appropriate.

Next time, they will have a riding association in Berthier and stronger ones throughout Quebec.  If this candidate has turned out to be unfit for the task(which isn't likely)she'll be removed and someone else will be nominated.

And the intemperate posts of another participant in this discussion have actually somewhat sabotaged a valid point he was trying to make, a point I could actually agree with...in future elections, there should be at least consideration of a residency requirement for any candidates seeking to contest a riding. 

 

BT, it's Brosseau, not "Brousseaut".  It really looks like your misspelling of her name was intentional disrespect. 

I hope you'll agree that this particular candidate has been hounded enough and that she should be taken off of the hot seat at this point.

You avoided the question. There were obvious NDP activists in Brosseau's riding. Why were none of them chosen to run in that riding by Mr. Layton?

I didn't avoid the question...it's simply a question I personally have no way to answer.  If the NDP activists in the riding had had any problem with Ms. Brosseau's nomination, wouldn't they have been heard from in the early stages of the campaign?  NDP types don't tend to keep silent about things like that.

Ken Burch

pegasus wrote:

pegasus wrote:

Ken Burch wrote:

 

(Question: Is Ms. Brosseau's riding the one YOU wished to contest, pegagus?  If that were the case, it would only be fair for you to disclose that information at this point in the discussion.)

 

I couldn't care less which riding I ran in. I just wanted the opportunity to run.

It's not a question, in this instance, of what YOU care about...it's a question about a single pertinent fact.  If you did, in fact, wish to contest the riding in which Ms. Brosseau was nominated, that puts your participation in this thread in a different light.  

 

pegasus

babbler 8 wrote:

pegasus wrote:

You avoided the question. There were obvious NDP activists in Brosseau's riding. Why were none of them chosen to run in that riding by Mr. Layton?

 

Are you sure there were? I'm not convinced, and if there were ones that were suitable candidates I doubt they were wiiling to run. 

Do you have any proof of this? Were they asked? Why would they not run if they were obviously willing to do the footwork to collect signatures? After that, in hindsight, they wouldn't have to do anything else.

wage zombie

pegasus wrote:

There were obvious NDP activists in Brosseau's riding. Why were none of them chosen to run in that riding by Mr. Layton?

Huh?

babbler 8

pegasus wrote:

What bothers me is that Brousseau did no work in her riding that she represented. She didn't have to move to this riding, nor visit. I have done quite a bit of work for the NDP and now I plan to move to a riding where the NDP is not represented in the House of Commons and do all the work necessary to try to become a candidate. But what I fear is another Berthier-Maskinonge, where I'm sure there were NDP activists, Ms. Bousseau had to get her list of names from someone going door-to-door, but none of those activists were chosen to run by Mr. Layton.

 

I pretty much guarantee that the non-incumbant  NDP nominations in Quebec will all be hotly contested now. (perhaps some incumbent ones too) If you really want it go for it, but it definitely won't be easy and you will have to sign up a bunch of people. 

Ken Burch

The party may also simply not have known of anyone who lived in the riding who had an NDP membership for a suffecient period of time prior to the election to be eligible to stand as a candidate.

You are getting in to an area of argument in which it appears that you're implying that there was some sort of conspiracy of the party leadership to deny NDP supporters in the riding the right to choose their own nominee...it's really unlikely that anything that diabolical was going on. 

Most likely, this was simply an honest, innocent case of the federal leadership and organizers being caught flatfooted and having to find candidates wherever they could.

And again, if YOU had specifically wanted to contest this riding,  you should just come out and tell us.  Everyone else participating in this discussion is entitled to know that about you in order to evaluate your posts here...especially since, to this date, your posts in this thread represent all the posts you've ever made on Babble.

 

wage zombie

pegasus wrote:

Do you have any proof of this? Were they asked? Why would they not run if they were obviously willing to do the footwork to collect signatures? After that, in hindsight, they wouldn't have to do anything else.

Troll.

pegasus

Ken Burch wrote:

The party may also simply not have known of anyone who lived in the riding who had an NDP membership for a suffecient period of time prior to the election to be eligible to stand as a candidate.


I find this difficult to believe. But if this was the case, I'm sure they could have found someone in a neeighboring riding to run, or even Quebec City or Montreal.

Ken Burch wrote:

You are getting in to an area of argument in which it appears that you're implying that there was some sort of conspiracy of the party leadership to deny NDP supporters in the riding the right to choose their own nominee...it's really unlikely that anything that diabolical was going on.

I'm not implying anything. It just sounds fishy to me.
 
Ken Burch wrote:

Most likely, this was simply an honest, innocent case of the federal leadership and organizers being caught flatfooted and having to find candidates wherever they could.

They obviously didn't do their homework.

Ken Burch wrote:

And again, if YOU had specifically wanted to contest this riding,  you should just come out and tell us.  Everyone else participating in this discussion is entitled to know that about you in order to evaluate your posts here...especially since, to this date, your posts in this thread represent all the posts you've ever made on Babble.

Answered above. Asking the same question several times will not illicit a new response. Sorry.

babbler 8

pegasus wrote:

babbler 8 wrote:

pegasus wrote:

You avoided the question. There were obvious NDP activists in Brosseau's riding. Why were none of them chosen to run in that riding by Mr. Layton?

 

Are you sure there were? I'm not convinced, and if there were ones that were suitable candidates I doubt they were wiiling to run. 

Do you have any proof of this? Were they asked? Why would they not run if they were obviously willing to do the footwork to collect signatures? After that, in hindsight, they wouldn't have to do anything else.

Um, I was asking you to back up your claim. You are the one making statements of 'fact' without proof, I'm simply doubting what you say based on my experience in the NDP. The party only ever appoints candidates when there isn't a local organization capable of doing a proper candidate search and nomination meeting. In all likelyhood the signatures were collected by the same paid organizers in several different ridings. I don't believe there is a requirement for the people collecting the signatures to live in the riding. 

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We now have a completely unsubstantiated claim that there were New Democrat supporters and even activists in Berthier - Maskinongé who were not allowed to run.

What we have here, comrades, is a thread where three posters - one a longtime fierce critic of the New Democratic Party, one a brand new babbler who claims to be a longtime member of the Quebec NDP who was denied the chance to be a candidate and one a month-long babbler who makes class baiting remarks.

This is just the same Liberal vendetta working out its rage.  Their real objection to Ruth Ellen Brosseau is not that she was a placeholder candidate, but that she was a) a woman, b) working class and c) not a Liberal.

pegasus

babbler 8 wrote:

 

Um, I was asking you to back up your claim. You are the one making statements of 'fact' without proof, I'm simply doubting what you say based on my experience in the NDP. The party only ever appoints candidates when there isn't a local organization capable of doing a proper candidate search and nomination meeting. In all likelyhood the signatures were collected by the same paid organizers in several different ridings. I don't believe there is a requirement for the people collecting the signatures to live in the riding. 

My proof it that there were physical, real people, collecting signatures for the NDP. You have guesses.

ReeferMadness

Ken Burch wrote:

Can you at least stop repeating the same three points over and over?  You've said them all already.  Ruth Ellen Brosseau's election is eccentric, but it's not a moral outrage.

And if you're not really obsessed about Ms. Brosseau, why do you keep referencing HER over and over and over?

Can you at least talk about a different candidate for awhile? 

Does it always HAVE to be about Ms. Brosseau?  And it's silly to act as if the party should apologize for her nomination.  The voters were ok with her.  Why isn't that enough until the NEXT election?

Are you just going to keep going on and on about this until everyone agrees with you?  You know that's not going to happen, so why bother belaboring this anymore?

Isn't it possible that the voters simply put principle BEFORE the relatively meaningless question of personality?  After all, few MP's are actually elected primarily on their individual merits, and most win because of the voters' feelings about the positions held by the parties those candidates stand for.

When you argue(as you essentially have)that the will of the voters in this riding simply doesn't matter, aren't you taking an essentially anti-democratic position?

I'll stop bringing it up when the seemingly endless series of NDP apologists stop accusing me of being part of some vast conspiracy with the MSM, the Liberal Party and hell knows who else.  You keep responding with comments and questions and then tell me I should shut up about it.  If you want to stop discussing, then stop.

Who said this had anything to do with personality?  And who in the riding could possibly know anything about her personality.  She's never been there, remember?

And please stop inventing my positions.  Read what I wrote and respond to that.

 

babbler 8

pegasus wrote:

babbler 8 wrote:

 

Um, I was asking you to back up your claim. You are the one making statements of 'fact' without proof, I'm simply doubting what you say based on my experience in the NDP. The party only ever appoints candidates when there isn't a local organization capable of doing a proper candidate search and nomination meeting. In all likelyhood the signatures were collected by the same paid organizers in several different ridings. I don't believe there is a requirement for the people collecting the signatures to live in the riding. 

My proof it that there were physical, real people, collecting signatures for the NDP. You have guesses.

 

You have proof of nothing and your story is not credible or consistent with the experiences of actual NDP activists. You are the one making accusations, so the burden of proof is on you. You must take us for incredible fools to believe anything you have to say.

ReeferMadness

Malcolm wrote:

This is just the same Liberal vendetta working out its rage.  Their real objection to Ruth Ellen Brosseau is not that she was a placeholder candidate, but that she was a) a woman, b) working class and c) not a Liberal.

Oh, way to go, Malcolm.  It's just so much easier to debate when you just make shit up, isn't it?  I know it's tough to actually read and try to understand what people mean but you should give it a try.

BTW, I'm still waiting for your answer.  Are you the backroom genius that talked Brosseau into running in a riding where she had no connections, no history, no way to communicate?

pegasus

babbler 8 wrote:

 

Um, I was asking you to back up your claim. You are the one making statements of 'fact' without proof, I'm simply doubting what you say based on my experience in the NDP. The party only ever appoints candidates when there isn't a local organization capable of doing a proper candidate search and nomination meeting. In all likelyhood the signatures were collected by the same paid organizers in several different ridings. I don't believe there is a requirement for the people collecting the signatures to live in the

 

You have proof of nothing and your story is not credible or consistent with the experiences of actual NDP activists. You are the one making accusations, so the burden of proof is on you. You must take us for incredible fools to believe anything you have to say. But it is still a guess that they were paid. But it is still a guess that they were paid.

If they were paid, then it still doesn't explain why the NDP needed to find someone to run in the riding who lives in Ottawa, when cities like Montreal and Quebec City were much closer.

David Young

pegasus, are you prepared to personally meet with NDP officials with documentation of your claims?  Do you still have the papers with the signatures?

If not, it's time to close this thread, and stop wasting time with, what appears to me to be, an Agent Provocateur, whose purpose is to create dissention in the ranks of his/her opponents.

 

pegasus

David Young wrote:

pegasus, are you prepared to personally meet with NDP officials with documentation of your claims?

::hesitantly:: Yes
David Young wrote:

Do you still have the papers with the signatures?

::emphatically:: Yes.

Life, the unive...

pegasus wrote:

You avoided the question. There were obvious NDP activists in Brosseau's riding. Why were none of them chosen to run in that riding by Mr. Layton?

I'm pretty sure a lot of you have never tried to get a candidate name on a ballot in supposed "no-hope" ridings.   There are a lots of people prepared to work on a campaign. Almost no-one who is willing to actually put their name on a ballot. When I was getting Green candidates a number of years ago, even convincing people to be paper candidates was very hard.  (And most Green candidates are still paper candidates despite the rhetoric in this thread).  So I am not surprised there would be a challenge getting a candidate.  It is particularly difficult to get women to run, especially young women.  So we should be celebrating, not attacking this young woman.

Here's what I expect happened.  The riding association, or activists were asked if someone would run.  No one came forward.  Some organizer or staffer went to Ruth Ellen Brosseau and said can you do the NDP a favour.  We have a problem in Berthier-Maskinonge- we can't get anyone to run and we need a name on the ballot.  She probably said, but I have this vacation scheduled.  And I expect was told -'don't worry about it- you don't need to campaign we just need a name on the ballot so we have a candidate in all ridings.'

She then obviously agreed, trying just to be helpful in a cause she believed in, to let her name go on the ballot.  Then the shit hit the fan in Quebec, and suddenly that seat was in contention.

Those kinds of conversations happen in all parties in lots of regions across the country.  It is no big deal, but every once in a while it does provide a surprise.

 

By the way pegasus your story still doesn't add up.  However, I am starting to think there might be some 'issues' around this obsession of yours, so I am going to leave it at that.

PDC

pegasus wrote:

David Young wrote:

pegasus, are you prepared to personally meet with NDP officials with documentation of your claims?

::hesitantly:: Yes
David Young wrote:

Do you still have the papers with the signatures?

::emphatically:: Yes.

 

Well go do it then.  This is nonsense.  Lock the thread

Malcolm Malcolm's picture

ReeferMadness wrote:

Oh, way to go, Malcolm.  It's just so much easier to debate when you just make shit up, isn't it?  I know it's tough to actually read and try to understand what people mean but you should give it a try.

BTW, I'm still waiting for your answer.  Are you the backroom genius that talked Brosseau into running in a riding where she had no connections, no history, no way to communicate?

 

Speaking of making $**t up, RM, it's a trifle over the top to make up a claim that I am the person who recruited her and then ask me to deny it.  I didn't bother denying it because the question was clearly fatuous.

BTW, I'm not accusing you of being in a conspiracy with the Liberals and the MSM.  I'm acccusing you of agreeing with them that 27-year old single moms who work in the service industry should not be elected to Parliament.

Northern Shoveler Northern Shoveler's picture

pegasus wrote:

You avoided the question. There were obvious NDP activists in Brosseau's riding. Why were none of them chosen to run in that riding by Mr. Layton?

Did they apply?  If there were "activists" in this riding then why was there no riding association?  All you need is enough members who are willing to do the grassroots level work.  Riding associations nominate candidates not the central campaign.  If this obvious group had actually been NDP activists they would have founded a riding association and nominated a local.  I think your talking though your hat but I am willing to be convinced.  Please show me the "obvious" proof of the people in this riding that you are referring too.   

While it might seem like a good idea to require riding residency that in practice is unworkable.  Does anyone think Jack is illegitimate because he does not live in his riding?  How about Kennedy Stewart the Vancouver resident that won in Burnaby?  

I think that the NDP members in Quebec needs to build their party structure. Members need to do the committee work to get riding associations up and running.  Without those grassroots associations the central party has all the power.  The NDP out West has a long tradition of strong willed riding associations who successfully resist the Ottawa control freaks.  I look forward to Quebec members creating a similar tradition.

 

thorin_bane

Why did no one bring up

Pierre Poilievre's

qualifcations. He was elected when he was 25.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnmgL5CZqfs

Never held a job, hmm no complaints about this guy though?

Evening Star

Ugh, hate that guy only a little less than John Baird. He's the current MP for my parents' riding.

Sean in Ottawa

Reefer Madness-- I am disappointed to see you accuse Ms Brosseau of Nepotism up thread.

What was the benefit, payoff? At the time she agreed to run she was agreeing to be a placeholder candidate in a no-hope riding to help the party complete a slate. I get that. She got elect -- wonderful now let us let her show her stuff and earn her re-election.

Pegasus as for the idea that it can be difficult finding a Candidate-- I sure remember looking for a candidate in Leeds Grenville in the 1997 election. It actually was tough-- most people can't just drop all they are doing to run -- and having your name publicly out there is not for everyone. We found someone and I remember working to get the signatures -- we made it almost down to minutes to spare and our candidate was great but it sure was touch and go.

Caissa

Post #141. Can someone invoke closure in honour of the Conservative majority?

Unionist

Hi pegasus,

So, let me sum up:

1. After decades of supporting the NDP, you went out and solicited over 100 signatures without ever seeking NDP endorsement or even reading the law - such as, nominators have to live in the riding.

2. After doing all this hard work, you were told you "weren't qualified" - and you never asked why.

3. You then were referred by some anonymous person to babble to complain (instead of to the NDP).

4. You just want to run - you don't care if you win or lose - "for the experience".

My conclusion:

I wouldn't vote for you even if you were the only candidate. It's not that I don't like you.

You're simply not qualified.

We have fresh, enthusiastic, engaged young people elected to Parliament. That's where I'm placing my hopes. Not in self-described "frustrated" people.

 

Polunatic2

Quote:
 there should be at least consideration of a residency requirement for any candidates seeking to contest a riding.

That could make it difficult for Jack who doesn't live in the riding he represents. 

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The NDP does a vetting purity process.  If you don't know what the party stands for or you are not willing to state you will unequivocally advocate for the party platform heading into an election you don't get a nomination.  
Those were not the issues but it was supposedly something that was said years earlier when the person was a member of a different party. 

p.s. - He was allowed to contest the candidacy for a provincial by-election (which he lost) but was vetoed at the federal level. 

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