Iggy bans Lib MPs from Gaza rallies?

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Sephardi

Ignatieff is certainly coming across as being simple-minded. I can't believe what a whore he is. I have to admit, given his credentials, I was expecting better.

I remember reading a poster to the late, great Liberty Forum who surmised that the reason for the Gaza pullout was just to get the settlers out of the way so IDF could go in for the kill. Looks like he knew what he talking about.

The news from the Red Cross and the Canadians who have been evacuated is horrifying. While some Jews are standing up and condemning this atrocity, occupying consulates etc. it seems too little too late. In equating anti-semitism with anti-Zionism it is the Zionists who have dragged the entire Jewish diaspora into the fray, not those who somehow suffer from a completely irrational hatred of of Jews as if it were some kind of mental illness. In sixty years, the Jewish people have yet to own up to the terrorism, mass-murder and criminality that created the state of Israel and continues to expand it with the blood of the actual descendants of Abraham - the Jews, Christians and Muslims who lived together peacefully in Palestine for centuries. 

Instead its been rah, rah, rah Hadassah-bazaar making-the-desert-bloom support for the state of Israel.

And no I could not find an in context source for the Begin quote. Although the citer is an Israeli journalist, there is some dispute as to whether or not Begin was referring to Palestinian suicide bombers or all Palestinians. I'll have go to the Talmud for what Jews should think of non-Jews but I don't like to paste that kind of hate online. 

 

 

 

 

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Unionist wrote:

Babble is for people that AGREE WITH EACH OTHER 

I was becoming concerned at the tenor of many of the comments in this thread and then this comment popped up. I am really not certain what to make of this position. Although I agree with some comments and not others, it appears that this discussion is becoming more paritsan and moving towards one side being the victim and the other fully at fault. This is a zero sum game in my opinion. There can be no peace without negotiation. I am not an expert in Middle Eastern affairs, but it seems to me that there needs to be a step back from the brink by both sides. Neither is innocent here.

Also, I don't log on here to hear everyone agree with me or to be one of the group nodding their heads in agreement. That would be a waste of my time.

Unionist

Sephardi wrote:

While some Jews are standing up and condemning this atrocity, occupying consulates etc. it seems too little too late. ...

In sixty years, the Jewish people have yet to own up to the terrorism, mass-murder and criminality that created the state of Israel and continues to expand it with the blood of the actual descendants of Abraham - the Jews, Christians and Muslims who lived together peacefully in Palestine for centuries.

That's another anti-Semitic statement. How about stopping?

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Instead its been rah, rah, rah Hadassah-bazaar making-the-desert-bloom support for the state of Israel.

That's another one. What are you trying to accomplish?

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I'll have go to the Talmud for what Jews should think of non-Jews but I don't like to paste that kind of hate online.

You sound like a typical Islamophobe, only substituting Jews for Muslims. Are you enjoying yourself?

 

 

 

 

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Frustrated Mess wrote:

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With all the carnage and the blood of children flowing freely, Michael
Ignatieff stands four square with the blood letters even repeating the
Big Lies:

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"Israel has been attacked from Gaza,
not just last year, but for almost 10 years. They evacuated from Gaza
so there is no occupation in Gaza."

 

http://www.thestar.com/News/Canada/article/564094

 

I already thought he was an opportunist prick but words fail me with that statement.

The round up of news here is pretty depressing but a great reminder of how horrific the situation is:

http://angryarab.blogspot.com/

 

ETA: Having great difficulty navigating the new site. I hope I killed the sidescroll. 

Unionist

Genstrike, that article you linked to is pretty horrifying, if those quotes are accurate. We knew about Wasylycia-Leis and Pat Martin being Israel champions, and we're had threads about Ovide Mercredi's and even Phil Fontaine's sycophantic trips to Israel. But I've never seen it brought together in one place this way - and Darlene Dziewit of the MFL!!??:

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One of the first guests to give greetings was Darlene Dziewit,
president of the Manitoba Federation of Labour
, who said she had
experienced “a transforming visit to Israel.”

“It is important to see that in Manitoba, [unlike other provinces,
where labour federations have supported boycotting Israel], people who
identify with the left politically are also supporters of Israel,”
Melnick said.

NDP member of Parliament Judy Wasylycia-Leis, (Winnipeg-North) gave
greetings and said how exciting it was for her to be in Israel in May
for its 60th anniversary celebrations. She noted that Pat Martin,
another NDP MP (for Winnipeg Centre) was present at the event.

The first half of the Shared Values concert featured the music of
Hinode Taiko, a drumming group, as well as dances by the India School
of Dance Music and Theatre, and the Rusalka Ukrainian Dance Ensemble.

Manitoba Justice Minister David Chomiak, who attended the event, said he is “a big supporter of Israel.”

He added: “I was one of the Ukrainian kids who used to dance with Rusalka. I wasn’t that good. I was in the back row.”

The concert also featured an amazing hoop dance by First Nations
dancer Brian Cline, accompanied with vocals and drums by Ray Stevensen.
Cline was introduced by former Assembly of First Nations chief Ovid
Mercredi
[sic], from the Grand Rapids First nations, who has also been to
Israel several times on missions with the Jewish National Fund.

About 200 members of First Nations communities from northern
Manitoba, Northern Ontario and Saskatchewan came to Winnipeg for the
event.

“Many First Nations people have a real connection to Israel because
of the things that we [the First Nations and the Jewish People have]
suffered. Israelis have a love for the land and we also have a love for
the land,” said Linda Mavsilar, a Christian member of a First Nations
community in Saskatchewan.

“It is our intention to grow the Manitoba-Israel Shared Values
Roundtable, and attract members of different faiths and communities,”
said Sharon Blady, an NDP MLA for Kirkfield Park.

Andrew Swan, the province’s minister of competitiveness, training
and trade, also gave greetings and said that Manitoba, can learn a lot
from Israel’s experience “of being able to take in one million
immigrants from the former Soviet Union.”

Disgusting, and shameful. What are they saying these days about Israel's mass murder in Gaza - if anything?

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genstrike wrote:

Iggy thinks there's no occupation in Gaza? Now we know who the frontrunner is for biggest idiot of 2009

saga wrote:
Don't tell me it's Harper's fault either: Where are the rest of them?

Only one lone, now silenced, Tory MP has said the courageous thing.

Where is the "left"? Where is the opposition?

The left is in the streets. Sadly, the parliamentary left seems to have deserted us. Of all the MPs and MLAs in Manitoba (including 30 or so NDPers), I can't think of a single one who has been vocally supportive of Palestine or attended a Palestinian solidarity event in recent years. Contrast that to things like this and it is clear that Palestine has no or nearly no allies in Canadian politics. Just look at how the NDP treated Svend Robinson and it's easy to see why.

 That's my point ... some leftish people are in the streets, to some extent, but  the 'left' leaders are silent, absent, supporting the corporate war machine that butters their bread.

Canadian politics sucks. FPTP sucks. Canadian 'democracy' ... isn't. 

It's 'just business'.

Yell

Sephardi

I'm like Woody Allen (except not a pedophile) Unionist. I'm not enjoying myself unless everybody is. 

If you're trying to smear me as "an anti-semite" I must hitting a little too close to home. 

genstrike

Iggy thinks there's no occupation in Gaza?  Now we know who the frontrunner is for biggest idiot of 2009

saga wrote:
Don't tell me it's Harper's fault either: Where are the rest of them?

Only one lone, now silenced, Tory MP has said the courageous thing.

Where is the "left"? Where is the opposition?

The left is in the streets.  Sadly, the parliamentary left seems to have deserted us.  Of all the MPs and MLAs in Manitoba (including 40 or so NDPers), I can't think of a single one who has been vocally supportive of Palestine or attended a Palestinian solidarity event in recent years.  Contrast that to things like this and it is clear that Palestine has no or nearly no allies in Canadian politics.  Just look at how the NDP treated Svend Robinson and it's easy to see why.

EDIT:  It's actually almost 40 elected NDP politicians in Manitoba

genstrike

Unionist wrote:

Disgusting, and shameful. What are they saying these days about Israel's mass murder in Gaza - if anything?

That is probably only the tip of the iceberg too, just being an article about one event.

The only ones I've seen say anything about Gaza were here (while I was out in the cold).  Chomiak and Melnick were inside.

Out of 40 or so NDP MPs and MLAs from Manitoba (28ish from Winnipeg), I have not seen any of them at the rally, or at the al-Nakba ceremony last summer.  It seems like it is a lot easier to get NDP politicians to show up to pro-Israel rallies and Red Fridays than to anti-war marches and Palestinian solidarity events these days.  But we will see if any of them show up to the next rally this weekend... I can only assume not, but I will update you if pleasantly surprised.

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Sunday Hat wrote:

The latest from Iggy's team:

"Anti-Zionism" is almost always a P.R. flak's weasel term for "anti-Semitism"

People should write their Liberal MP and ask whether they share the view that anyone who criticizes Israel is an anti-Semite.

Sunday Hat, your link does clearly not attribute this to Ignatieff.

Can you provide another link? 

wanker

both Liberals and Conservatives compete for who loves Israel the most title. Conservatives have a good lead but Liberals don't want to be left too far behind.
NDP may as well as adopt formal pro Palestine anti Israel stance in order to separate from pack.

wanker

Cueball the leafs have black player on their roster right now. Jamal Mayers. I also remember Val James from the John Brophy years. Grant Fuhr is another and Robbie Earl played for them last year.

Sunday Hat

The link is to Warren Kinsella's website. Reports indicate he has a senior role in the Ignatieff campaign effort. Unless and until Ignateiff fires him from the campaign I'll assume he speaks on behalf of Ignatieff.

 

Sunday Hat

I'm sure the NDP thinks they're playing it safe and that they have some support on both sides of the divide. But, on this one, I think they're wrong.

The slaughter in Gaza is immoral and I think most Canadians, watching the news, see that pretty clearly. I think they'd like their "leaders" to say that. Instead, they see a barrage of maimed children on their TVs and then a parade of politicians declaring that Israel has to "defend itself".

I don't think calling on Israel to stop the bombing immediately would cause much of a backlash amongst the general public. If anything, it might draw attention to the appalling immoral sameness of the Bush-Harper-Iggy positioning.

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If Amensty International isn't afraid to go there, why not the NDP. I totally agree Sunday Hat. Both the Conservatives and Liberals have failed to address human rights and the NDP should be championing them.

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laine lowe wrote:
If Amensty International isn't afraid to go there, why not the NDP. I totally agree Sunday Hat. Both the Conservatives and Liberals have failed to address human rights and the NDP should be championing them.

Agree.

Or explain why not.

Afraid the Bush-Harper-Iggy propaganda machine might chew them up?

Protecting a chance at some power through a coalition?

Are there deals being made for concessions in return for silence? 

Is there a voting block at stake? 

Yes, the other parties should be supporting the people of Gaza too ... but they are not . .. and somebody should.

Why didn't you help the Palestinians Grandpa?

"Well we were busy figuring out how to get some more power ... more votes, son. It's all about the votes ... and the power ... media too ... Don't want to get in the media on something really controversial, though, and that was just too controversial for a politician to deal with."

 

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Closing for length, and another sidescroll! What's going on here?

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