Jagmeet Singh - Trump Is Doing MORE To Address Systemic Racism Than Justin Trudeau

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Jagmeet Singh - Trump Is Doing MORE To Address Systemic Racism Than Justin Trudeau

Yesterday on CBC NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh said

"It pains me to say this because I've been very critical of Donald Trump. You know me, I've called him out. But President Trump has moved faster to bring in some changes, albeit not good enough. He has brought in more changes and more quickly than even the Prime Minister of Canada, Prime Minister Trudeau. That to me is very problematic."

Go 10:35 into video

https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/1752541763720

 

lagatta4

I'm no great Trudeau fan, but that is ridiculous.

kropotkin1951

lagatta4 wrote:

I'm no great Trudeau fan, but that is ridiculous.

So what has he done except emote with his speeches? Nothing is nothing and it represents a very low bar to compare him against leader in the world. If you ignore our treatment of indigenous people you might think that he is not as damaging as Trump even if he has done nothing but when you factor in the RCMP's use of force against multiply indigenous communities defending their lands, he is worse than Trump in that respect as well.

bekayne

kropotkin1951 wrote:

but when you factor in the RCMP's use of force against multiply indigenous communities defending their lands, he is worse than Trump in that respect as well.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/sep/20/keystone-pipeline-protest-activism-crackdown-standing-rock

kropotkin1951

bekayne wrote:

kropotkin1951 wrote:

but when you factor in the RCMP's use of force against multiply indigenous communities defending their lands, he is worse than Trump in that respect as well.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/sep/20/keystone-pipeline-protest-activism-crackdown-standing-rock

I am not sure what that article has to do with my comment. Our systems are totally different. Our two constitutions give various levels of government different roles in our two countries. Trump does not control the state or local response to active protests, only whether his government approves or disapproves the pipeline. Trudeau or rather the federal government is supposed to control the RCMP. The RCMP was told, by its civilian oversight committee, that its tactic in NB of shutting down public highways prior to a military style operation against a peaceful protest camp, were against the Charter rights of civilians, to freedom of mobility. When the RCMP did the same thing in BC to push through a pipeline the RCMP said sorry we are asking for a review of that finding so we don't have to follow it in the current situation. Trudeau could have legally and transparently told the RCMP Commissioner to follow the oversight committee ruling while the RCMP's appeal of it was heard but they did nothing. Trump on the other hand can't tell the states anything.

Mighty Middle

kropotkin1951 wrote:

He (Justin Trudeau) is worse than Trump

NDPP

Perhaps he's just channeling Hill & Knowlton. Perhaps also, Mr Singh should resolve the contradiction, obvious to all, that his continuing support for Apartheid Israel and his active suppression of party members trying to introduce BDS, makes a nonsense of his supposed  concerns about 'systemic racism'.

jerrym

Obviously Trump is a hard-care racist. However, as a narcissist whose every action is aimed at getting himself re-elected, he repsonded when confronted with his acolytes in the White House and Congress telling him he had to make a token effort of introducing police reform to stop the bleeding away of votes over recent police brutality and killing of African-Americans and other people of colour. He signed an executive order that: 

  • Encourage police departments to seek certification from independent bodies to confirm that they’re following good practices.
  • Create a national database “concerning instances of excessive use of force related to law enforcement matters, accounting for applicable privacy and due process rights.” Police departments would not be required to share that information, however.
  • Promote training for officers in dealing with mental health issues.
  • Discourage the use of chokeholds “except in those situations where the use of deadly force is allowed by law.”

In this limited sense, on this issue at this time Trump has done more than Trudeau's fine words and kneeling gestures.  NDP leader Jagmeet Singh was trying to push Trudeau towards taking some actions, as opposed to gestures, with  his motion on police reform.

Singh tried to get all parties in the House of Commons to agree to a motion recognizing the existence of systemic racism in the RCMP. The motion points out that "several Indigenous people have died at the hands of the RCMP in recent months …"

The motion also asked MPs to support a review of the RCMP's budget, to demand that the RCMP release all of its use-of-force reports and to call for a review of the RCMP's tactics for dealing with the public

As Singh said these were only the beginning of what needs to be done and were relatively mild proposals in the hopes that he could get Trudeau and MPs to support them. 

Make no mistake. Trump is a hard-core neo-Nazi, whose first wife told Vanity Fair magazine journalist Marie Brenner in 1990, long before Trump seriously considered running for office, that Trump kept a book of Hitler's speeches at his bedside. The journalist had this confirmed by the person who gave Trump the book.(https://archive.vanityfair.com/article/share/e515a2cd-a51b-4f83-8d61-6eb...

Trump is a want-to-be-fascist-dicatator who openly admires those who have set themselves up to rule for life or are trying to, such as Erdogan, Duterte, Muḥammad bin Salmān, Putin, or Xi Jin Ping.

Trump trafficked in Nazi  and neo-Nazi symbols in his tweets, including many anti-semitic ones, both during and after the election. Just this morning he sent out a tweet attacking protesters as terrorists while including the Nazi concentration camp symbol for political prisoners in the concentration camps within the tweet. 

Trump's 'police reforms' are mild to ineffective and meant only to help him get re-elected. Unfortunately, so far Trudeau has not even matched, let alone surpassed them, since the police protests began. He will no doubt do something as the pressure mounts but, only because not doing anything or even very little will cost him votes. 

Mighty Middle

jerrym wrote:

Trump has done more than Trudeau

epaulo13 epaulo13's picture

..there is plenty of blame to go around for the violence against indigenous folk. this includes singh's own support for the lng pipeline. the bc, alta, sask and man ndp support/supported pipelines knowing full well the damage this would mean to indigenous folk and that the rcmp would be the enforcers. the ndp under mulcair supported pipelines.

..it was a stupid comment that distracts from the issue. if it's causing debate on babble it's causing debate elsewhere.  

Mighty Middle

epaulo13 wrote:

..it was a stupid comment that distracts from the issue. if it's causing debate on babble it's causing debate elsewhere.  

If Jagmeet Singh had said this during an election campaign, it would result in a Justin Trudeau landslide and the NDP would be hard pressed to hold on to official party status. Singh is taking a beating on social media for this comment.

kropotkin1951

Mighty Middle wrote:

epaulo13 wrote:

..it was a stupid comment that distracts from the issue. if it's causing debate on babble it's causing debate elsewhere.  

If Jagmeet Singh had said this during an election campaign, it would result in a Justin Trudeau landslide and the NDP would be hard pressed to hold on to official party status. Singh is taking a beating on social media for this comment.

Canadians love to hang on to the idea that we aren't nearly as racist a society as the evil US. But the fact that we are is highlighted when talking about the obvious racism in our society means you can't get elected. There are no "real" racists in Canada just ask Mulcair or any other white privileged person with a MSM pulpit.

epaulo13 epaulo13's picture

..if singh was saying this because his handlers told him to say it..he's getting bad advice. would you have advised him to say it krop? i certainly wouldn't.

..bad advisors has been an issue for a while.

NorthReport

White people need to back off on pontificating about racism If white folks can't listen to and hear what non-whites are saying nothing of consequence will change

Racism in not a Sasquatch

https://policymagazine.ca/systemic-racism-is-not-a-sasquatch/

Debater

lagatta4 wrote:

I'm no great Trudeau fan, but that is ridiculous.

I agree.

Singh loses credibility when he tries to compare Trudeau to Trump.  It's not a comparison most Canadians will agree with.

lagatta4

Jerrym, you forgot Trump's bestie Bolsonaro, and their notorious Mar-a-Lago meeting early in the COVID crisis.

kropotkin1951

epaulo13 wrote:

..if singh was saying this because his handlers told him to say it..he's getting bad advice. would you have advised him to say it krop? i certainly wouldn't.

..bad advisors has been an issue for a while.

I agree that it would never have made it into a speech of any of the candidates I worked for. It was bound to end up being a distraction and move the conversation off message.  Besides I hate talking about the Orange Herring. However I still think that while the comment might be hyperbole it is not that far off the truth.

Attacking Trudeau for not reigning in the RCMP for its racism is a good idea but it has nothing to do with Trump. The problem is the RCMP is not accountable to anyone and that can be overhauled immediately. Here is a fascinating read about how the RCMP can ignore civilian reports for years and if they keep doing the same thing the final report on the issue will merely get delayed longer. If he had good handlers he would be all over the issue of the toothless oversight.

https://www.crcc-ccetp.gc.ca/en/CRCC-Response-Concerns-RCMP-Actions-Wets...

 

Misfit Misfit's picture

Bill Blair is qualified to hold his portfolio as Minister of Public Safety, but if the Liberal government has a sincere interest in proper reforms then the Liberal government would have to replace Blair with someone from outside the organization.

Mighty Middle

Misfit wrote:

Bill Blair is qualified to hold his portfolio as Minister of Public Safety, but if the Liberal government has a sincere interest in proper reforms then the Liberal government would have to replace Blair with someone from outside the organization.

Any suggestions for a Bill Blair replacement Misfit?

Mighty Middle

kropotkin1951 wrote:

 However I still think that while the comment might be hyperbole it is not that far off the truth.

Well supposedly Trump banned "choke-holds" yet just yesterday morning a cop was filmed on video using a "choke-hold" on a citizen. So whatever Trump signed into law is not worth the paper it is written on.

epaulo13 epaulo13's picture

I agree that it would never have made it into a speech of any of the candidates I worked for. It was bound to end up being a distraction and move the conversation off message.  Besides I hate talking about the Orange Herring. However I still think that while the comment might be hyperbole it is not that far off the truth.

..i hate talking about him as well. sticking with the comment, true or not, that is not the perception people in general hold. calling the bloc member a racists and some other things the ndp has been recently been doing in the house has lifted them up. but it seems they are living in a bubble.

..the ndp understands issues and talks the talk on occasions..but can't relate to people. they are somewhere else politically. trying to play both sides of the street. a concept that went out of date years ago. with the strengthening of capital, with the introduction of neoliberalism..this refused to allow it anymore.

..change can only happen from the bottom up. and the current uprisings are proofs that everyone can see.

josh

Yeah, okay.  Maybe he should do a little research.

https://www.vox.com/2016/7/25/12270880/donald-trump-racist-racism-history

melovesproles

Jeez. What is the point of assuming the stupidest possible reading of Singh's comments and acting totally offended? Does anyone here actually think he is defending Trump? This is obviously rhetoric about how the Liberals tend to be performative in their anti-racism (except I guess when Trudeau is picking Halloween costumes..) and have done very little to attack structural racism. This isn't debateable so I guess we should all get worked up about how hyperbolic Singh's statement was.. What a complete waste of time. 

Mighty Middle

Trump Policy was crafted in part by Van Jones

https://www.thedailybeast.com/cnns-van-jones-secretly-helped-craft-the-w...

Van Jones is featured here on rabble in articles and Jones was also the key-note speaker at at the Broadbent Institute's annual Progress Gala in 2016