May blames everyone and everything else but Herself

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Stockholm

I thnk that Greg Morrow's site was actually pretty unbiased and made some pretty reasonable predictions etc..., but i don't like this crap of writing this "letter to Jack layton" as if he were some neutral concerned citizen protesting May's exclusion from the debate when in fact he was working for the Green Party all along.

 There should have been disclosure of that. 

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Jan, got the first copy with Hurst's name in it, from this thread way above when Politics101 posted it.

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Bookish Agrarian wrote:
democraticspace pretends to be different 

Much like the Green Party itself, eh?!  A bunch of false rhetoric, propaganda and nothing more. Moreover, I now see his words as driving the dissent about May's not allowed participation, both here and elsewhere. Especially considering Jan's point above where she notes that May knew the consortium had made the dedision and was trying to get her reaction on tape,  but convienently still smeared Layton with it. Interesting eh!

As Morrow has been outted, his democraticspace and his words can now be seen as not so democratic and partisan as hell and he is subsequently rendered as someone to ignore in future elections.

Having said that, if it is correct that May released her first overview herself to the press, one wonders what her end game is in outting Morrow?

 

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janfromthebruce

pogge wrote:
janfromthebruce wrote:

I didn't call his site crap and nor did I suggest his numbers are tainted. You need to reread the threads as I did not make that allegation.

BA wrote:

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It is so very surprising to me that Greg Morrow and democraticspace are
full of crap.  (Where`s that damn rolly eyed emoticon when I need it!)

That's the comment immediately before my entry into the thread. It's the one that finally prompted me to respond.

 

When one makes a comment using the quote function, so that the comment one is responding to is to the to poster you linked to, it than appears you are responding to this poster and not the one above. It appeared you were attributing to me comments made by a different poster. 

Although I pointed this out to you, you choice not to say "sorry" and should have been more clear. 

Stockholm

May's only loyalty is to herself. I think that Morrow has now learned the hard way that when Elizabeth May knocks on your door - whatever you do - don'T answer it!! A long, long list of people have made the mistake of trying to work with her and been burned.

 Caveat emptor.

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 What makes you think Morrow has learned anything from May's outting of him and his close affiliation to the Green Party? Has he posted something somewhere that makes an apology for misleading the people's of Canada?

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janfromthebruce

First off, thanks HeywoodFloyd (and do miss the rest of your handle of resident neocon) for putting that up.  I copied and pasted it for future reference.

I really liked that part of your handle, but maybe you don't. I just thought it was fun. 

Remind, now I see Robert Hurst (dah for me). 

I also want folks to understand that I wasn't suggesting that Morrow's predictive site and all were the problem. The problem was him using is non-partisan status to increase his social/political capital and thus influence to push the online community to support May in the debates. 

If he had outed himself before that and stated he was working for the Greens his "strategic voice and influence" would have been lessoned. He purposely hid that from view and that is my point. 

It is the same kind of strategy used in terms of push polling or for that matter, strategic voting sites who suggest they are non-partisan (politically) but once you reveal the players behind alot of these sites, they are folks with big ties to a particular horse in the race.

Stockholm

If Greg Morrow didn't want his Green affiliation kept a secret - he would not have concealed it in the first place. Its also interesting that in May's "edited" version of her letter - she removed his name - i wonder why? Did he demand that she take it out?

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janfromthebruce wrote:
Remind, now I see Robert Hurst (dah for me). 

I also want folks to understand that I wasn't suggesting that Morrow's predictive site and all were the problem. The problem was him using is non-partisan status to increase his social/political capital and thus influence to push the online community to support May in the debates. 

If he had outed himself before that and stated he was working for the Greens his "strategic voice and influence" would have been lessoned. He purposely hid that from view and that is my point. 

It is the same kind of strategy used in terms of push polling or for that matter, strategic voting sites who suggest they are non-partisan (politically) but once you reveal the players behind alot of these sites, they are folks with big ties to a particular horse in the race.

This brings me back to the statement of May's where she said that angst against her non-participation in the debates was far beyond that which they "orchestrated", and I feel that is is safe to presume, that Morrow was part of that orchestration plan, eh!

Moreover, I personally do not see much of a difference problem wise, as he used his strategic voice and influence, garnered from his public site, as political capital, for partisan reasons, in a totally sneaky and underhanded way to influence an outcome. This renders his site and himself redundantly useless, and marginalized.

In fact, I am going to go look for his comments at old  babble during the election and see if they have been transfered here yet.

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Stockholm

The fact that he supports the Green party doesn't make him or his site "useless". He had plenty of valid observations during the campaign. It just means that in reading what he has to say - you have to take his bias into consideration.

 

then again EVERYONE has biases.

 

I am biased towards the NDP - that doesn't make me and anything and everything i say "useless" either (I hope) 

Bookish Agrarian

Stockholm wrote:

The fact that he supports the Green party doesn't make him or his site "useless". He had plenty of valid observations during the campaign. It just means that in reading what he has to say - you have to take his bias into consideration.

 

then again EVERYONE has biases.

 

I am biased towards the NDP - that doesn't make me and anything and everything i say "useless" either (I hope) 

 

must resist temptation to make obvious joke

must resist temptation to make obvious joke

must resist temptation to make obvious joke

Must resist, must resist.  MUST.....

 

Ah I feel better now.  As you were

pogge

janfromthebruce wrote:

When one makes a comment using the quote function, so that the comment one is responding to is to the to poster you linked to, it than appears you are responding to this poster and not the one above. It appeared you were attributing to me comments made by a different poster. 

Although I pointed this out to you, you choice not to say "sorry" and should have been more clear. 

 

Yes, I picked up on the word "crap" from someone else's post and not yours.

We haven't had a lot of dialogue but I had thought that we'd had enough by now to have confidence in each other's good faith such that it wasn't necessary to visit all the formalities every step of the way and could just discuss the issue as it was developing in the thread. Obviously I was wrong.

I apologize for offending you.

 

Bookish Agrarian

Stockholm wrote:

May's only loyalty is to herself. I think that Morrow has now learned the hard way that when Elizabeth May knocks on your door - whatever you do - don'T answer it!! A long, long list of people have made the mistake of trying to work with her and been burned.

 Caveat emptor.

 

For some reason this post brought the following to mind (I am going by aging memory so if I get a line wrong I apologize)

The Panther

The panther is like a leopard,
Except it hasn't been peppered.
Should you behold a panther crouch,
Prepare to say Ouch.
Better yet, if called by a panther,
Don't anther.

 

Ogden Nash

 

Benoit

Bookish Agrarian wrote:
Stockholm wrote:

May's only loyalty is to herself. I think that Morrow has now learned the hard way that when Elizabeth May knocks on your door - whatever you do - don'T answer it!! A long, long list of people have made the mistake of trying to work with her and been burned.

 Caveat emptor.

 

For some reason this post brought the following to mind (I am going by aging memory so if I get a line wrong I apologize)

The Panther

The panther is like a leopard,
Except it hasn't been peppered.
Should you behold a panther crouch,
Prepare to say Ouch.
Better yet, if called by a panther,
Don't anther.

 

Ogden Nash

 

So May's loyalty encompasses not just humanity as a whole but all animals (panther, leopard,…) and vegetal (pepper,…) too.  

HeywoodFloyd

janfromthebruce wrote:

First off, thanks HeywoodFloyd (and do miss the rest of your handle of resident neocon) for putting that up.  I copied and pasted it for future reference.

I really liked that part of your handle, but maybe you don't. I just thought it was fun. 

I liked it too and I was really honoured when it was bestowed upon me. But in all fairness that was from the old babble in the old days. Now I'm not really a token anything. Just another schmo schlepping around occasionally.

Michelle

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