NDP: Realo vs. Fundi rift beginning?

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Interested Observer Interested Observer's picture
NDP: Realo vs. Fundi rift beginning?

Based on comments so far, I could see a rift inside the NDP like that of the greens in germany once they joined government.


Lard Tunderin Jeezus Lard Tunderin Jeezus's picture

That's a rather opaque heading - and the comment that follows doesn't shed much more light. Care to explain the situation in Germany, and where you see similarities?

aka Mycroft

It looks more like there's a rift within the Socialist Caucus since Peter Cassidy is supporting the coalition idea while Barry Weisleder opposes it. With respect to both these people and the 20 or 30 people who are active in the Socialist Caucus - I don't see how this is of much significance.

Sunday Hat

I think, could be wrong, that the fundi side of the rift will be pretty small.

 Presented with a choice between governing in a coalition and handing Harper power, most New Dems - and all MPs, and all organized labour - seem to be opting for the former.

 Even the most radical New Dems recognize that you have to form strategic alliances. Mao Tse Tung did it. Mohandas Ghandi did it. Working with others doesn't mean ditching your principles.

Interested Observer Interested Observer's picture

I can't seem to edit my initial post so here is the background. Sorry for the confusion:

Wikipedia wrote:

1998–2002: Greens as governing party, first term

A bicycle-taxi (velotaxi) in front of the German Bundestag in Berlin with the Alliance '90/The Greens livery for the German federal election, 2005.

In 1998,
despite a slight fall in their percentage of the vote (6.7%), the
Greens retained 47 seats and joined the federal government for the
first time in coalition with the Social Democrats. Joschka Fischer became vice chancellor and foreign minister in the new government, which had two other Green ministers (Andrea Fischer, later Renate Künast, and Jürgen Trittin). Almost immediately, the party was plunged into a crisis by the question of German participation in the NATO actions in Kosovo.
Numerous anti-war party members resigned their party membership when
the first post-war deployment of German troops in a military conflict
abroad occurred under a Green government, and the party began to
experience a long string of defeats in local and regional
elections. Disappointment with the Green participation in government
increased when anti-nuclear-power activists realized that shutting down
the country's nuclear plants would not happen overnight, and numerous
business-friendly SPD members of the federal cabinet opposed the
environmentalist agenda of the Greens, necessitating far-reaching

In 2001, the party experienced a further crisis as some Green
Members of Parliament refused to back the government's plan of sending
soldiers to help with the 2001 U.S. Attack on Afghanistan. Chancellor Gerhard Schröder
called a vote of confidence, tying it to his strategy on the war. Four
Green MPs and one Social Democrat voted against the government, but
Schröder was still able to command a majority.

On the other side, a major success of the Greens as a governing
party, was in 2000, the decision to phase-out the use of nuclear
energy. Jürgen Trittin as the Minister of Environment, Nature
Conservation and Nuclear Safety, reached an agreement with energy
companies on the gradual shut down of the country's nineteen nuclear power plants and a cessation of civil usage of nuclear power by 2020. This was enacted as the Nuclear Exit Law.
Based on the calculation of 32 years as the usual time of operation for
a nuclear power plant, the agreement precisely tells how much energy a
power plant is allowed to produce before being closed down.

The way I see a similarity is that it is the ndp's first taste of power federally and as there was a similar rift in the ONDP when Rae formed an accord with the liberals that there is a possibility for a rift to happen in this case and how likely or not you think of that possibility.

aka Mycroft

I don't remember anyone leaving the NDP in 1985 over the accord. Can you name some names?

Interested Observer Interested Observer's picture

Sorry If I'm in error over that. I am not that familiar with ontario politics but I read an article that suggested that many people tore up their memberships.

Regardless, I was curious about how people think the potential for the ndp to be in government and making compromises with the liberals could affect the grassroots and whether any large rift could occur or not.


I think what happens in these instances is that people tend to just fade away, or redirect thier social/political activities in a different venue.


Malcolm Malcolm's picture

There were a number of New Dems who had reservations about the 1985 accord, including at least one MPP.  For some, it was the ideological compromise of the deal with the Liberals. 

For most, it was the tactical.  The Liberal Party was out of government federally and in every province.  some argued the Liberal brand was in irreversible decline.  Putting the Ontario Libs in power (so the argument went) would reverse that decline and close the NDP's best window in a generation.



...which it did, but not in the way anyone expected......

martin dufresne

I was under the impression that NDP "rifts" were a permanent feature, especially in discourse.