The next Liberal leader: A Political Rock Star

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NorthReport
The next Liberal leader: A Political Rock Star

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Unionist

NorthReport wrote:

 

He also fielded questions about Canada's war effort, and sug-gested it's time to withdraw from Afghanistan and give other NATO countries their turn.

 

He wants us to invade other NATO countries?

 

Sean in Ottawa

I like how someone said he will be the next Liberal PM. Perhaps this is true.

I don't think he will be the next leader however-- but maybe in 25 years he will be the next Liberal PM.

In the meantime I hope that the NDP has a PM because 25 years straight of dinosaur rule would be hard to bear.

NorthReport

Just like Harper is seriously underestimated here, so is Justin Trudeau.

derrick derrick's picture

And here's Trudeau talking about the current Liberal leader: "I will surely get myself into a bit of trouble ... He has the intelligence but maybe not the wisdom that's necessary".

But Trudeau's a lightweight. On the war, I had a brief conversation/argument with him right after the Liberals joined with the Conservatives in extending the war until the end of 2011. All he could come up with were Vimy Ridge analogies/platitudes (citing the senseless slaughter of WWI in defence of the senseless slaughter of today's wars for empire), and he admitted that his brother Sasha disagrees with him on Afghanistan and other issues...

 

 

NorthReport

 

 

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Scott Piatkowski Scott Piatkowski's picture

Yes, that Justin sure is a star. He's already being featured in campaign ads... [url=http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/090911/national/ignatieff_trudeau_ad]for the Conservatives[/url]

NorthReport

Unionist wrote:

NorthReport wrote:

 

He also fielded questions about Canada's war effort, and sug-gested it's time to withdraw from Afghanistan and give other NATO countries their turn.

 

He wants us to invade other NATO countries?

 

I'm sure Justin is a good team player and anyways on this 8th anniversary of 9/11, it's seems quite obvious Canada is going to be joining the USA in their state of perpetual war. Sad but true.

 

 

remind remind's picture

You know I am really sick of this rock royality, political royality, hollywood royalty phrasing and conceptual frameworks.

NorthReport

It's time to call a spade a spade. Ignatieff just isn't cutting it, Ignatieff will not be cutting it, and most everyone knows that by now. Ignatieff is another Paul Martin disaster for the Liberals just waiting to happen.

So what is coming down the pipes politically in Canada?

Canadians will eventually be forced to go through the motions of having another election, probably next year, but nothing much will really change in Ottawa. Harper will either get another minority or a majority, and who really gives a flying fig anyways.

One thing is fore sure, in that we have gone on long enough with Ignatieff to know he's no leader, and Ignatieff sure as hell isn't going to taking any of us Canadians to the promised land.

If I were a Liberal party supporter I would be urging the Liberals to bite the bullet now, give Ignatieff his well-deserved boot, organize a real leadership convention, where Justin will win hands-down, experienced or not. There are just too many Canadians that miss PET, and since he left politics no one has come anywhere close to offering what Pierre did. People it seems, need their dreams.

This is the sad, but true, state of Canadian politics, and will in all probability come to pass.

 

Rock-star reception
Trudeau charms and inspires students at Glace Bay High School

 

"You go into politics because you want to make a difference. You want to serve the community and you want to serve in the best way you possibly can with whatever tools you're able to get your hands on. If the Liberal party forms the government, I hope to one day be a minister and be able to have a larger responsibility in running the country.

"And if the chips fall in a certain way and it turns out that I'm actually the good politician that some people think I am and nowhere near as bad a politician as many people seem to think I am, maybe there will be an option to serve in a greater capacity, but that really isn't the reflection I have. It's a little too far ahead. . . . And if you look too far ahead you lose sight of what's right in front of you and you will trip and fall, guaranteed."

He also fielded questions about Canada's war effort, and sug-gested it's time to withdraw from Afghanistan and give other NATO countries their turn.

 

http://thechronicleherald.ca/NovaScotia/1142006.html

janfromthebruce

Justin is a nice guy. But he represents a party of the status quo. He wants to make a difference and all that - he is for social justice and getting kids engaged in local and global issues, but belongs to a party run by big business. So really it is about charity, and not changing that status quo - feel good.

It's not enough for me - feel good.

NorthReport

You're correct Jan but it probably is good enough for enough Canadians to get him elected as Prime minister. The NDP should regularly be lobbying Justin to join them. What does the NDP have to lose by doing so?

janfromthebruce

You know, I wonder if he wonders if he is in the right party, no matter his legacy. Perhaps he dreams of getting all progressives in the big tent, but we would be back to the problem of who runs that party. Absolutely no way.

Anyway, that's where PR would come in. Of course, Justin might think that "charity" is great as a long term solution. Don't know. Don't care, and am not thinking about him.

The only thing that ticks me off about him, is how he goes and talks to high school students - not under his elected role - but he is selling both brands.

Most high school students are not going to ask him the "tough questions" in the contradiction of his political alliance and his social justice feel good theme.

NorthReport

PET used to march with striking workers but a combination of things happened.

For one thing Pearson was pro-active in looking for candidates, although I realize Trudeau was an afterthought as he initially wanted Marchand.

As well the NPD did not not have much of a profile in Quebec, so PET probably assumed, and probably rightfully so, if he was going to be able to effect meaningful change in Canadian society, he would have to join a political party that had a chance of forming government. 

janfromthebruce

I understand that history of Pierre but that is true for so many folks "interested in making a difference." Co-opted comes to mind. Justin acts as a perfect progressive lib cover for who is really in control of this party. Fidel would say that it's the bansters. It's the rich and powerful who don't want anything to change beyond the window dressing.

Remember, it was the CCF who pushed for public health care, and the libs were resistive from the get go and only did it for fear of losing govt. There backers were not supportive of this becoming a public good at the expense of private profit.

What Tommy realized that being inside the big tent meant one had to sellout, and he didn't want that. He was offered a position "on the inside".

Debater

Scott Piatkowski wrote:

Yes, that Justin sure is a star. He's already being featured in campaign ads... [url=http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/090911/national/ignatieff_trudeau_ad]for the Conservatives[/url]

Yes, and those ads are not likely to have the intended effect in Quebec - they will actually probably help Ignatieff.  Most francophone Quebecers aren't that fond of the Trudeau name and so hearing Justin criticize Ignatieff will probably make Quebecers like Ignatieff more!

The Conservatives hadn't thought of that, it seems.

Unionist

Don't you worry your heads about little Justin.

His ass will be solidly kicked back to the rich part of town where it belongs... by this woman:

Debater

Unionist wrote:

Don't you worry your heads about little Justin.

His ass will be solidly kicked back to the rich part of town where it belongs... by this woman:

I posted a thread earlier in the week announcing her political comeback.

But considering that she wasn't able to beat Justin last year when she was the incumbent, isn't it more likely that he will be kicking her butt?

Unionist

Dream on. The people of Papineau have now seen pretty boy inaction in action.

 

Debater

Unionist wrote:

Dream on. The people of Papineau have now seen pretty boy inaction in action.

Yes - he's been quite visible from what I can tell.  He visits the cultural events of every single ethnic group in the riding and has made contacts in all of them.  Justin's large base of support from minority voters is what gave him the win last year.  Most minorities, unlike Vivian Barbot, want to stay in Canada.

Barbot is charismatic and has some good skills - it's just unfortunate that she hasn't joined one of the federalist parties where she could make more of an impact.  For example, MP Marlene Jennings is the first black woman elected in the history of Quebec.

Unionist

Yeah, Barbot could make quite an impact as a Liberal, voting with Harper on every single issue. She really missed the boat.

As for Marlene Jennings, I'll pay more attention to her the day she throws the head of the Québec-Israel Committee out of her house.

Debater

Well getting back to the actual race in Papineau, are you predicting that Barbot will beat Trudeau?

Frmrsldr

NorthReport wrote:

Just like Harper is seriously underestimated here, ...

You're joking, right?

Debater

Justin has potential, but there is no guarantee he will run for Liberal leader.  He does not necessarily have the same career aspirations that others want him to have.  Lots of people would like him to be leader some day, but his family comes first - if it takes too much of a toll, he may not do it.  He doesn't like spending too much time away from his kids.

janfromthebruce

You see debater this is a problem when one openly and so publicly proclaims that they are all for social justice for all, but their voting record says otherwise. Justin comes across as a hypercrit and talking out both sides of his mouth.

Takes a good game, but doesn't have a backbone and can't stand up and do what's right.

It becomes unimportant - my party made me do it - becomes a lame excuse - which means that he is willing to sellout his principles to be part of the red conservatives.

"The Harper government, with the help of former human rights advocate Michael Ignatieff, is set for quick passage of the Canada-Colombia Free Trade Agreement (CCFTA). It's expected to be the very first order of business, when Parliament reconvenes on Monday."

So will Justin vote to support more free trade and to hell with human rights? Justin is a nice person and as a prof so long ago told me, "nice" is a liberal word, and means nothing if it doesn't count - you know take action.

Debater

I think Justin feels that as a rookie MP he has to vote with his party, as do most MP's for that matter.  But he is more progressive than most, and is very popular with gay voters, women and other NDP leaning demographics.  If he were to become Liberal leader one day, I think you'd find that he'd get a lot of support from NDP voters just like his father did.

500_Apples

NorthReport wrote:

Just like Harper is seriously underestimated here, so is Justin Trudeau.

Harper had professional success and accomplishments before becoming a party leader.

Debater

500_Apples wrote:

NorthReport wrote:

Just like Harper is seriously underestimated here, so is Justin Trudeau.

Harper had professional success and accomplishments before becoming a party leader.

Well Justin hasn't become a party leader yet, so a comparison can't really be made.

But if he does become leader one day, he may have had more accomplishments by that time.

NorthReport

It does not necessarily have anything to do with accomplishments although that can help. It is about charisma - some people have it, and some don't. Justin has charisma, and combined with the connection with his Dad, Trdueaumania anyone, he will become leader before too much longer. And what makes people think Justin has no accomplishments. The Liberals are now getting desperate for someone, anyone, with credibility and appeal at the top.

Webgear

Last month Justin Trudeau was playing soldier and acting as an Afghan insurgent out in Wainwright, Alberta.

 

He seemed very pro-military / pro-Afghanistan at the time.

nussy

When we had a by election in Willowdale Justin Trudeau came to our party room at our complex with Martha Hall Findley the Liberal candidate.. Most of the questions afterwards were for Trudeau.  He did not have a seat at that time. Most of us are seniors here and it was standing room only when they found out he was coming. When other polititians no matter what strip we seldom get a good turnout. 

 


janfromthebruce

I guess he believes in "fighting for peace" that old oxymoron.

nussy

Your right the quesions were more like "I remember your father sort of thing. 

NorthReport

nussy wrote:

When we had a by election in Willowdale Justin Trudeau came to our party room at our complex with Martha Hall Findley the Liberal candidate.. Most of the questions afterwards were for Trudeau.  He did not have a seat at that time. Most of us are seniors here and it was standing room only when they found out he was coming. When other polititians no matter what strip we seldom get a good turnout. 

 Exactly nussy.

The main thing is that it is PET's son. It doesn't really matter what Justin's Trudeau's views are on anything.

 

NorthReport

Does anyone think that Ignatieff, for the good of the Liberal party, could be encouraged to step aside, and let Justin Trudeau lead the Liberals, and who would probably give Harper a run for his money?

janfromthebruce

Justin would be eaten alive. It's one thing to talk and wow high school students - but oversee the elected MP liberals - I am sure you are joking.

Debater

NorthReport wrote:

Does anyone think that Ignatieff, for the good of the Liberal party, could be encouraged to step aside, and let Justin Trudeau lead the Liberals, and who would probably give Harper a run for his money?

You seem awfully keen for Justin Trudeau to become Liberal leader.  Yes he has potential, but he is not ready yet.

MUN Prof. MUN Prof.'s picture

Why not Bruce Dickinson? He's a rock star and his connection to Canada is only slightly less tenuous than Iggy's.

NorthReport

janfromthebruce wrote:

Justin would be eaten alive. It's one thing to talk and wow high school students - but oversee the elected MP liberals - I am sure you are joking.

 

I am not promoting Justin, just making an observation. Justin has said himself that he wishes to wait until he has had more experience but it seems you are making it out like Justin Trudeau is wet between the ears. I think if you delved into his background you might discover otherwise. And I think you might be underestimating charisma.

thorin_bane

MUN Prof. wrote:

Why not Bruce Dickinson? He's a rock star and his connection to Canada is only slightly less tenuous than Iggy's.

Up the Irons

Bruce along with a lot of brits has a soft spot for a former colony that didn't rebel. I was watching old brit comedies from the 70's Faulty Towers, Are you Being Served Etc and they often mention canada and usually not with derision.

 

Justin only has to be half as articulate as his dad and a wave of white hairs would desend upon the polls inching up the voter turnout a few points for the nostolgia of the past while ignoring facts on the ground. But yes he would most certainly do better on name olone than the last 3 libs combined. Hell I know my parents would vote for him and I have had them voting NDP for the last 10 years or so. All they would need do is leave a few leftwinged crumbs out and they would puh the NDP down by 4 points the greens by...well almost all of it, and enrage most cons.

Sean in Ottawa

Actually the enraging the Cons bit would almost make it worth it now...

NorthReport

Maybe Ignatieff's people are more concerned about Justin than they let on. Wink

 

Justin Trudeau's office broken into, computer stolen

 

 

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/696729

Doug

Rahim Jaffer's free...for the moment, and he has the rock star lifestyle thing going. Maybe he'll switch parties.

ReeferMadness

Getting back to the topic, Justin would need to be very careful if he wants to trade on his father's legacy.  He is remembered with great nostalgia by many but despised with passion by many others.  A Prime Minister named Trudeau would be a boon for separatists in Quebec, Alberta and quite possibly elsewhere as well.

He seems likeable and charismatic but if he aspires to be party leader, he's going to show substance, not just a name.

Mr.Canada_ts

I'd love to hear from so many of the public who were fawning over Ignatieff when he first became a member of parlaiment.  Many of us from all political stripes were saying that Harper and Layton would thrash him badly...I hate to say I told ya so but...

Back onto the topic at hand.  I'd say it's going to be Bob Rae, then it will be Gerrard Kennedy then Justin Trudeau...then, who knows.

janfromthebruce

Gerrard Kennedy is a light weight - enough said.

Mr.Canada_ts

janfromthebruce wrote:

Gerrard Kennedy is a light weight - enough said.

 

Agreed but the Liberals are just smart enough to do this.  They all fawned over Ignatieff and Dion right?  Look how that's working out.  The Liberals need to break that entire party down and rebuild it which they don't seem intersted in doing right now.  Probably due to ego I'd imagine.  It's hard to imagine that a party that had so much has been reduced to so little.  Same thing happened with the Tories.  It's the Liberals turn now.  Sad.

 

Bob Rae will be the next leader of the Liberal Party for sure, he's not waiting around the LPC for nothing he wants power.  Plus he came second in the leadership race behind Ignatieff and Kennedy has run so many times for the leadership. 

I really would like to see John MacCallum or Peter Milliken run for leadership.  At least those two have some integrity.

bouchecl

I always found fascinating the hard-on the English media has on Trudeau fils.I can't see him as very popular in the West (National Energy Program, anyone) and especially in Quebec (except for anglo-ethnic Montreal) where his family name is often reviled in even stronger terms than Dion's "clarity" was.

It may be anecdotal but it took three years to replace the MTQ signs to the Dorval airport on highway 20 and still, six years later, quite a few people still deliberately refer to the airport's old name or use the acronym ('pet' in colloquial French means 'fart').

And while Justin seems to be a big ticket item in Toronto or in some parts of the Maritimes, where Trudeau's nostalgia is still present, he was given a very tough riding to run in since it was redistricted after the 2000 election. Let's be charitable and just say that even the (über-partisan) LPC organizers in Quebec know better than to put him in the spotlight in the French media.

Gilles Duceppe must be praying in his sleep for the young Trudeau increased stature.

Michael Moriarity Michael Moriarity's picture

What is it about human beings that we seem to have this desire for aristocracy and great families, even in so-called mature democracies? Glenn Greenwald recently wrote a post about this tendency in the U.S. but I thought Canadians were somewhat less inclined to dynasties. I think it is a most unseemly behaviour for a society that claims to be an egalitarian meritocracy.

NorthReport

Both the Cons and the Bloc are seriously concerned about Trudeau. The NDP ignores Trudeau at its peril.
Who Stole Justin Trudeau's computer?

 

Trudeau was the target. At 37 he's already a rising Liberal star. If Michael Ignatieff hasn't delivered the goods by next year, a lot of Liberals will be going to Justin Trudeau.

Adversaries have reason to fear him. He was elected in the last election in Papineau riding in a hard-fought campaign against a worthy Bloc Québécois MP, Vivian Barbot. She's trying to for a comeback. It will be a tough campaign, in a part of town where they don't play softball politics.

Trudeau is so strong that Bloquistes in neighboring Ahuntsic riding worry about spillover influence. The Gilles Duceppe people do not take him lightly. They see him coming like a train locomotive, even if rednecks in Western Canada write him off, derailed by residual hatred for his dad, Pierre.

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 The Conservatives are watching Trudeau very closely. In Ottawa, they've been collecting a big file on him going back 10 years.

This past week they began running costly French-language ads trying to discredit him. It's not often you'll find a political party spending good money on a negative message against a rival who is not a party leader. It speaks loudly to their concern about his popularity and appeal.

The ads feature a remark Trudeau made three years ago during the Liberal Leadership campaign when he was supporting Gerard Kennedy.

They have him saying that Michael Ignatieff "may be intelligent, but he doesn't have the wisdom necessary" to lead the Liberals.

 

 

 

http://www.westislandchronicle.com/article-378997-Who-Stole-Justin-Trude...

janfromthebruce

I don't give a crap about Justin's breakin. He should get better locks. This is not news, just crude the MSM feeds you to keep you asleep.

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