The next Liberal leader: A Political Rock Star

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Debater

janfromthebruce wrote:

I don't give a crap about Justin's breakin. He should get better locks. This is not news, just crude the MSM feeds you to keep you asleep.

It is news - anything involving a Member of Parliament, particularly a break-in at an office or a theft, is normal to report.  Not sure what your objection to it is based on.  Joe Clark had a computer stolen about 5 or 6 years ago too, and it was reported.  Famous MP's are even more likely to have these events make the news.  When an MP's computer is specifically targeted and stolen and nothing else is taken, it may also have a political motive behind it.

On a more positive note, Pierre Trudeau was among the first inductees recently inducted into the Queer Hall of Fame and Justin expressed his pride about it:

 

http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadianpress/article/ALeqM5jxCRbtj8Aqk...

janfromthebruce

Debater - during the last federal election, Jack Layton's campaign office was regularly broken into and computers stolen - not a peep in the press, so spare me - and I would agree that it would politically motivated. Sorry, but everything to do with Trudeau is not reportable.

On a different note, I ate dinner with Trudeau when I was a youngen in Nova Scotia, and sat beside him. It was during the snap election and I was working for Katimavik. He was keenly interested in Katimavik and what we were up too. We did not talk about politics. It was a fund raiser - he enjoyed his meal with his table mates and didn't have to worry about thinking strategically.

The meal was great (and free) and the chat provoking and had nada to do with an election or power politics.

NorthReport

Which Trudeau was that Jan?

janfromthebruce

Pierre

NorthReport

Justin has big shoes to fill.

It's gonna get interesting after the next election for the Liberals. They could well go the way of the do-do bird, unless Justin gets a kick at the can.

janfromthebruce

if Justin became the leader of the liberals I still would not consider supporting liberals. The right-leaning neoliberal stink in that party is overwhelming, the dirty tricks, the power brokering - no thanks.

Tigana Tigana's picture

From Daily Kos, an impressive dissection of Ignatieff - "The False Champion of the Canadian Left"

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/9/24/785769/-The-False-Champion-o...

NorthReport

How silly.

Conservatives Are Going After Trudeau

The Harper Conservatives are trying to set up Justin Trudeau against his leader Michael Ignatieff.
And they’ve found a way of doing it with taxpayers’ money, without using a penny of their own funds. 

They’ve had thousands of partisan pamphlets printed up, and are passing them off in Quebec as MPs newsletters which Canada Post is duty-bound to deliver free of charge. 

The U.S.-style attack pamphlets quote Trudeau as saying disparaging things about Ignatieff at the Liberal Party leadership convention back in December 2006. 

http://www.westislandchronicle.com/article-431465-Conservatives-Are-Going-After-Trudeau.html

Noah_Scape

Resurected thread I see - keep it going, you sure like this kid eh NorthR?

 

He is from the elite side of the tracks, and I doubt he is going to rock the boat much.

 

Iggy if Iffy, that is for sure. Funny though, how we get used to his image on TV after a few years in the spotlight, as in "the idle mind wanders to what is most familiar" [sheeple]. Mistake or not, I think the Libs will keep Iffy on for a few more years, one election at least.

I don't know if I can take another 10 years of dinosaurs either, but it looks like that is what will happen in Canada.

Noah_Scape

... and what was that about PET and the Queer Hall of Fame that Debator mentioned? [the story is "no longer available"]  ; new Link?

edmundoconnor

MUN Prof. wrote:

Why not Bruce Dickinson? He's a rock star and his connection to Canada is only slightly less tenuous than Iggy's.

He is, after all, the one man in the world louder than John Baird …

edmundoconnor

Doug wrote:

Rahim Jaffer's free...for the moment, and he has the rock star lifestyle thing going. Maybe he'll switch parties.

That man is politically radioactive. I can't see him being rehabiliated any time soon.

edmundoconnor

Noah_Scape wrote:

... and what was that about PET and the Queer Hall of Fame that Debator mentioned? [the story is "no longer available"]  ; new Link?

Here.

NorthReport

It's the family name that does it. Does anyone seriously think George Bush would have got elected without his father's coattails. Or would Ted Kennedy have become such a prominent senator without his brother having been the president. Not a chance for either of them. It's the samething  for the Trudeau clan. For some reason voters like family dynasties.

adma

edmundoconnor wrote:

MUN Prof. wrote:

Why not Bruce Dickinson? He's a rock star and his connection to Canada is only slightly less tenuous than Iggy's.

He is, after all, the one man in the world louder than John Baird …

...and substitute Rob Halford, and you get the one man in the world queerer than John Baird.

(Hey, don't blame me, blame Pam Taylor for the cueTongue out)

Policywonk

NorthReport wrote:

It's the family name that does it. Does anyone seriously think George Bush would have got elected without his father's coattails. Or would Ted Kennedy have become such a prominent senator without his brother having been the president. Not a chance for either of them. It's the samething  for the Trudeau clan. For some reason voters like family dynasties.

Not quite true because Ted Kennedy was first elected to the Senate in 1962 in a special election to replace JFK. He would not have become a Senator when he did without his brother being elected President, but don't forget they all had a rather influential father, and becoming prominent was largely his own doing (as was the fact that he never became a serious contender for President himself). Which still makes your point that being a part of a dynasty helped him.

Augustus

edmundoconnor wrote:

Doug wrote:

Rahim Jaffer's free...for the moment, and he has the rock star lifestyle thing going. Maybe he'll switch parties.

That man is politically radioactive. I can't see him being rehabiliated any time soon.

Exactly.  As I said several weeks ago, Rahim Jaffer's political career is over.  He will not be allowed to run for the Conservatives again after losing an Alberta seat.  The Conservatives have nominated a new candidate for Edmonton-Strathcona.  He has a good relationship with the PMO (unlike Jaffer) and is also bilingual.

NorthReport

Ted Kennedy would have become President, that is, if the CIA or whomever didn't do him in first, except for the death of Mary Jo Kopechne. I don't think Justin is any PET, but that won't have a lot of bearing on the issue. Watch for Mulroney's kid to enter politics at some point as well, although he might have a more difficult time than Justin, due to the unpopularity of Brian..

Doug

I wouldn't be surprised to see a rehabilitation of Brian Mulroney attempted as a prime minister of vision - never mind that he was on the take.

NorthReport

 

Actually the NDP looks like it is close to having a lock on this seat, and may well get over 50% of the vote in the riding in the next federal election.

NDP election results for the federal riding of Edmonton-Strathcona.

2008 - 43%, Increase of 10%

2006 - 33%, Increase of 9%

2004 - 24%, Increase of 9%

2000 - 15%

Augustus wrote:

edmundoconnor wrote:

Doug wrote:

Rahim Jaffer's free...for the moment, and he has the rock star lifestyle thing going. Maybe he'll switch parties.

That man is politically radioactive. I can't see him being rehabiliated any time soon.

Exactly.  As I said several weeks ago, Rahim Jaffer's political career is over.  He will not be allowed to run for the Conservatives again after losing an Alberta seat.  The Conservatives have nominated a new candidate for Edmonton-Strathcona.  He has a good relationship with the PMO (unlike Jaffer) and is also bilingual.

adma

NorthReport wrote:
Watch for Mulroney's kid to enter politics at some point as well, although he might have a more difficult time than Justin, due to the unpopularity of Brian..

Which kid?  (Remember that there's more than just Ben out there.)

Speaking of next-political-generation Bens with political potential, there's Ben Peterson (David's son)

WingNut

I laugh. Michael Ignatieff does indeed have "it". The man is the very definition of the word "charisma". Unfortunately, just for those safely ensconced within the walls of the oy-veyed tower. When Michael says, "everywhere I’ve been this summer, I’ve seen the same enthusiasm—all while apparently remaining completely invisible," most Canadians raise their eyebrows and ask "what?" But not the academos. Nope. They recognize the existentialism that underpins the philosophy articulated by Canada's recently repatriated patriot.

Still, it can't be denied that Michael's intellectualism is no match for Harper's brute stupidity. No amount of gentlemanly indecision and deference will overcome the raw venom of Jason Kenney, nor the seething banality of Peter Kent, nor the understated psychopathy of Jim Prentice. For we gentle and polite Canadians, there's just no contest between the refined sport of cricket and the blood spattered ice of hockey.

Which is why if the Liberals are to recruit a rock star to face off against Stephen Harper and his outlawed bi-curs, then they ought to forgo the political and recruit, instead, a real rock star. And why not Ozzie Osborne?

For one, no one understands what the fuck he's saying so every statement has a built in deniability. He plays as well in the suburbs as the inner-city, as the boondocks. He's a media darling. He's a sure thing winner.

Agreed, he isn't a a Canadian. But neither's Harper nor Michael. The former's a Dick Cheney vomit projectile and the latter's a Kennedy cling-on. At least Ozzie is all Ozzie.

Failing that, I'd also vote for Ron Sexsmith. He's not quite a rock star, but he can sing. Better than Harper, anyway.

 

 

Frmrsldr

I think we ought to vote for WingNut as Prime Minister.Laughing

Red Tory Tea Girl

NorthReport wrote:

 

Actually the NDP looks like it is close to having a lock on this seat, and may well get over 50% of the vote in the riding in the next federal election.

NDP election results for the federal riding of Edmonton-Strathcona.

2008 - 43%, Increase of 10%

2006 - 33%, Increase of 9%

2004 - 24%, Increase of 9%

2000 - 15%

 

Yes, Edmonton Strathcona's anti-Conservative vote has found a home at last. The splits were terrible. That said, I'd remind North Report of Stein's Law: If something cannot go on forever, it won't. A consolidation of anti-CPC vote does not mean the NDP's vote share will go up yet another 10% next time. Linda Duncan's universe of potential support is not all that large, and the federal riding of Edmonton Strathcona, due to its much larger size, is not nearly as much of a progressive enclave as the provincial riding.

And I forget exactly who it was who was complaining about the dynasty/celebrity of Justin Trudeau, but I'd only remind them that Pam Barrett and Rachel Notley would probably say that a family name only gets your lips to the podium, nothing further.

That said, It was good to see Linda Duncan at the prorougal protest, and I hope to see her re-elected.

Tommy_Paine

 

I think the children of former Prime Ministers can do for politics what David Frum has done for journalism.

 

 

NorthReport

T_P, I was waiting for something like that. Laughing

Red Tory Tea Girl

Tommy_Paine wrote:

 

I think the children of former Prime Ministers can do for politics what David Frum has done for journalism.

 

 

 

In that they'd challenge the hard core of their party orthodoxy without really owning their own mistakes which contributed to said radicalization?

In that they'd sound a different note on civil liberties?

Or just in that they'd seem insufferably smug?

 

I mean, it's all well and good to say David Frum is substandard, but he does have his moments of non-suck and flashes of intellectual rigor. He was among the first to speak out against the nomination of Harriet Meyers. Remember her?

Tommy_Paine

Well, there is the thousand David Frum rule, I'll give you that.   

 

But without mummy, and unless marrying astutely is a journalistic skill, there's not much between him and "would you like fries with that?"

babblerwannabe

maybe they should get someone like Jack Layton.

 

http://www.angus-reid.com/polls/view/35093/layton_surpasses_harper_in_ca...

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Tommy_Paine wrote:

Well, there is the thousand David Frum rule, I'll give you that.   

 

But without mummy, and unless marrying astutely is a journalistic skill, there's not much between him and "would you like fries with that?"

 

Hall of Shame my friend!

 

nyuk, nyuk, nyuk!

E.P.Houle

With the Owelympics rated at less than 40% approval in BC, Iggy's quote de jour is to call it's critics"nabobs of negativity". Iggy has to be Harper's strong card.

Unionist

babblerwannabe wrote:

maybe they should get someone like Jack Layton.

 

http://www.angus-reid.com/polls/view/35093/layton_surpasses_harper_in_ca...

Babblerwannabe!! Where have you been!? Welcome back, stay a while, please!

 

Augustus

NorthReport wrote:

 

Actually the NDP looks like it is close to having a lock on this seat, and may well get over 50% of the vote in the riding in the next federal election.

NDP election results for the federal riding of Edmonton-Strathcona.

2008 - 43%, Increase of 10%

2006 - 33%, Increase of 9%

2004 - 24%, Increase of 9%

2000 - 15%

No one who knows Alberta politics would seriously suggest that, but that's your choice.

As Don Martin and others have pointed out, the reason the NDP vote went up was because of the collapse of the Liberal vote in Alberta where it finished behind the NDP.

Since Ignatieff replaced Dion, the Liberal vote has gone up in Alberta polls, and while they won't be winning any seats in Alberta again for a long time as Stephen Harper said on the night of his election win in January 2006, the Liberal vote will go up in the next election and this could mean a loss for the NDP in the riding.

adma

Augustus wrote:
Since Ignatieff replaced Dion, the Liberal vote has gone up in Alberta polls, and while they won't be winning any seats in Alberta again for a long time as Stephen Harper said on the night of his election win in January 2006, the Liberal vote will go up in the next election and this could mean a loss for the NDP in the riding.

Or, it could mean a hold, if the IggyLiberal vote comes from the now-incumbent-less Conservatives instead.

Still, count me in with those who're skeptical about the degree of absolute lock Linda Duncan has on this seat.  (Then again, I was similarly skeptical about Irene Mathyssen in 2008...)

NorthReport

-_-

NorthReport

The NDP stands a good chance of taking Edmonton East as well in the next federal election, particularly following the doughhead comments of the current MP about Louis Riel.

Calling Louis Riel a 'villain' lands Conservative MP
in hot water

'We strongly disapprove,' Prime Minister's Office says of Peter Goldring's characterization of Manitoba founder and Métis hero

 

2008 election

Cons - 51.3%

NDP - 31.8%, increase of 13.3%

Lib - 10.9%, down by 15.3%

 

2006 election

Cons - 50.1%

NDP - 18.5%

Libs - 26.2%

Ken Burch

In the Liberal Party "alternation" tradition, the leadership would go to a francophone "Apres Iggy".
Since Lil' Justin is three-quarters Scottish(and lived in B.C. for most of his adult life)does he actually COUNT as francophone?

NorthReport

Oui

NorthReport

Keep it up Goldring and your seat is up for grabs by the NDP

Manitobans react negatively to Riel attack by Edmonton MP

 

http://winnipeg.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20100220/wpg_riel_attack...

Ken Burch

I wonder if Goldring has threatened to stand as an independent if Harper disowns his slander of Riel?

All he'd have to do is hold slightly less than half his current vote and the NDP would take Edmonton East with no increase in vote share.

ottawaobserver

Goldring is one of the Conservative M.P.s who complained that incumbents shouldn't have to defend their nominations, while they were stuck in Ottawa doing house duty to keep the government from falling.  I believe there were a couple of candidates lined up to run against him.

NorthReport

Oh, my, trouble with the future Liberal king. Wink

 

Quote:
Justin Trudeau's exuberance lands him in trouble

Justin Trudeau admits he was in a mood yesterday when he took to the national airwaves to debate Conservative MP Shelly Glover and NDP MP Nathan Cullen.

Mr. Cullen said afterward, "Justin had a triple latte this morning."

Ms. Glover had much stronger words: "Justin is one of the worst examples of lack of decorum and lack of professionalism and lack of maturity that I have ever seen."

She also said that he was "insulting." More than that, she believes that the bad behaviour shown by some MPs "incites" younger people to behave badly.

 

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/blogs/bureau-blog/justin-trudeaus-exuberance-lands-him-in-trouble/article1515914/[/quote]

remind remind's picture

bad behaviour like that of Helena and her  spouse Rahim?

The hypocrisy of the right never ceases to amaze me.....

 

having said that, yuk! Can one say privilege load enough?

 

ReeferMadness

500_Apples wrote:

NorthReport wrote:

Just like Harper is seriously underestimated here, so is Justin Trudeau.

Harper had professional success and accomplishments before becoming a party leader.

This is an old quote but I just noticed it.  Apples, what professional accomplishments are you referencing?  The time Harper spent in the mail room at Imperial Oil?  Or his fine work badmouthing Canada at the National Citizens Coalition? 

If that's a resume that qualifies you to be Prime Minister, I think most of us are overqualified.  Tongue out

mybabble

If young Trudeau is romancing the youth of his province what percentage of the vote would he capture?  Not enough I'm sure however Iggy has young Trudeau on his team will that is an added bonus especially given his appeal to the youth of the province.  It was my understanding Canadians wanted the focus on the economy and not another election.

How that measures up the economy that is will be a strong deciding factor in the next election as sometimes I don't think Its the charisma that does it for a leader to win but just it is their turn to have a kick at the can or Canada for that matter.

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