Proposed NDP name change

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"Well the Zeitgeist of this site is that if you say anything negative about the NDP, people call you a Liberal."

...or a Trotskyist or a Green or a general malcontent...

Cueball Cueball's picture

Well the Zeitgeist of this site is that if you say anything negative about the NDP, people call you a Liberal. This time though Eric has gone off the deep end, and into a pool with no water by suggesting that I am therefore a proponent of Sharia law. Talk about if you are not with us, you are with the "Terrarists".

While you are at it, you might read up thread a bit and observe that I said Eric wat baiting me with his observationsa about Sharia, OR coming out with some wild off-topic anti-Muslim ranting that has absolutely no relevance to the topic at hand, and so seemed to be latently prejudiced. Since then Eric has admitted that I was right in my first guess, and he was merely accusing me of supporting Sharia law, and the Iranian government.

How about Nuance Deficit Party?

Cueball Cueball's picture

That is what is so funny. Reduced to the ad hominem, sans arguement, any name will do. Usually Eric goes after me for being a red, today I am a "Sharia-Red", or some such. Hyphenation is Canadian obsession so why not? Even though these ideologies are completely incompatible. But who cares about the meaning and purpose of ideology and political philosophy, its the NDP we are yammering about, it's all about branding and polling.

Now... back to the essential meaninglessness of the word "democratic" in the context of a political party. What it's opposite? The Authoritarian Party of Canada?


OK, OK.....

Now for a brief intermission of comedy.....


From "The Life of Brian",



BRIAN: Are you the Judean People's Front?


REG: Fuck off!


BRIAN: What?


REG: Judean People's Front. We're the People's Front of Judea! Judean People's Front. Cawk.


FRANCIS: Wankers.


BRIAN: Can I... join your group?


REG: No. Piss off.


BRIAN: I didn't want to sell this stuff. It's only a job. I hate the Romans as much as anybody.


PEOPLE'S FRONT OF JUDEA: Shhhh. Shhhh. Shhh. Shh. Shhhh.


REG: Stumm.


JUDITH: Are you sure?


BRIAN: Oh, dead sure. I hate the Romans already.


REG: Listen. If you really wanted to join the P.F.J., you'd have to really hate the Romans.


BRIAN: I do!


REG: Oh, yeah? How much?


BRIAN: A lot!


REG: Right. You're in. Listen. The only people we hate more than the Romans are the fucking Judean People's Front.


P.F.J.: Yeah...


JUDITH: Splitters.


P.F.J.: Splitters...


FRANCIS: And the Judean Popular People's Front.


P.F.J.: Yeah. Oh, yeah. Splitters. Splitters...


LORETTA: And the People's Front of Judea.


P.F.J.: Yeah. Splitters. Splitters...


REG: What?


LORETTA: The People's Front of Judea. Splitters.


REG: We're the People's Front of Judea!


LORETTA: Oh. I thought we were the Popular Front.


REG: People's Front! C-huh.


FRANCIS: Whatever happened to the Popular Front, Reg?


REG: He's over there.


P.F.J.: Splitter!

 Tongue out


</end comedy stylings of Python>


George Victor

Thanks, Moj.


And Stock, if you want to read a Muslim who isn't big on Sharia try Tarek Fatah,s Chasing a Mirage.  I'll put up smething on the book lounge.

And he's an Ontario New Democrat.  Best of both worlds.


Stockholm wrote:

"Well the Zeitgeist of this site is that if you say anything negative about the NDP, people call you a Liberal."

...or a Trotskyist or a Green or a general malcontent...

I don't know, I find I usually get hit with Liberal a lot more than with anything left of the NDP ("Trotskyist").  I'd almost be happy to be called a Stalinist or a Trot on babble, it would be a welcome change from Liberal and it is probably a bit more accurate (although still way off)


Everyone knows small-c communists are actually Liberals, eh? 

Hey, that reminds me - the name Labour Progressive Party is available...


Boze wrote:

The BC Liberals are NOT the Social Credit party.  That party at least pretended to be collectivist, and called themselves "conservative."  The BC Liberals are far more ideologically right-wing and call themselves "liberal."  The Socreds were not free market fanatics.

You must have missed reading about Bill Bennett's Restraint program during the early 1980's. The Howe Street controlled Socreds were the first party in Canada to implement a Friedmanist platform.  The Howe Street cabal did not do a name change they did a party jacking after the BC Liberals became the opposition by running on a left of centre platform that the other Gordon actually believed in. The last thing the Howe cabal would allow was the electoral choice being between a left liberal or a social democratic party so they took over the liberal party just the same as they took over the Socred party in the early 80's.

As for a name change I think the federal NDP should be true to what they are and their overriding message and call themselves the "We Aren't Neo-Cons." Using socialist or social democrat in the name will alienate the liberal voters the party wants to appeal to.

However just dropping "New" IMO would be in keeping with the current mindset in Ottawa.  I can imagine the next election as the party relies on the fact it paid a Democrat political operative to speak to its convention and has meet with the Emperor's staff although not the Emperor himself.  Now that the Empire has a velvet glove back over its iron fist it is fitting that they drop the "New" in light of the rush to show how close their ties are with the new progressive overseers.

remind remind's picture

WB, kropotkin, nice to see you out and about.

Nikogda Nichevo Nikogda Nichevo's picture

Why not just go back to the Regina Principles of 1932 and this time call a spade a shovel: not "Cooperative Commonwealth Federation," but ANTICOMMUNIST PARTY OF CANADA. From such a perspective, it then becomes entirely logical to dump "New" from the name "New Democratic Party." But please: go all the way. Apply for status within the Democratic Party National Committee in Washington DC. Ever since David Lewis' efficient little gang some 40 years ago figured out the essential bias of the Laxerites against truly transformative change and happily unleashed the flame-throwers against the Waffle and the very notion or mention of Canadian independence , the locale of the beds in which the NDP hierarchy feel truly comfortable sleeping has become more than clear. Recently, once again, on the matter of Durban 2 — for example — we watched leader Jack lay his ton of guano over the very idea of defending Palestinian rights or even questioning whether the Israeli junta is less than 1000% democratic in the only true, i.e. US-ian, sense of the word. Under the guise of defending "peaceful" methods or "social-democratic" change, for example, the NDP has worked very hard in hundreds of struggles everywhere across the country to sabotage any actual defence of rights of women, youth, workers, immigrants, Native people etc that come under attack from the authorities. That's a broad brush statement so I'll get down to cases. In Nova Scotia, the Dexter majority government is already getting the boudoir ready for the arrival of the fuel retailing monopolies. In the media, they're making a big show of turning over fuel price regulation to the Utilities and Review Board [URB]. The media, quoting everyone carefully, is lleging that this depoliticises the price-setting process by taking it out of the Cabinet's hands. All this is being said and-or implied without ANYONE ever pausing to mention, just by the way, that the Minister of Finance enjoys full powers to reverse any decision of the URB, or remove any member or members of the URB for cause, at any time! For sure: there's indeed nothing whatsoever "new" about this kind of "democracy". Back in the 1970s, the NDP, then in third place as a small opposition fraction, blathered in the provincial Legislative Assembly about how the Regan Liberals, to alleviate people's pain over rapidly rising power rates, should institute a "humane disconnection policy" [direct quote from then-party leader Jeremy Akerman] at the then "publicly-owned" Nova Scotia Power monopoly! 

Maysie Maysie's picture

Closing for length.


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