Sid Ryan Bites Back

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The Liberal Party of Canada condemns the CUPE resolution in the strongest possible terms. I salute the others who have spoken out against the resolution, including my colleagues on both sides of the aisle in the House of Commons, and CUPE’s national president, Paul Moist, who has refused to support the resolution.

[url=Michael">http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fullcomment/archive/2009/03/05/... Ignatieff, March 5, 2009[/url]

Michelle

Go fuck yourself, Count Iggy.  Our unions don't need your permission, nor that of your party, to pass any resolution we damn well please.

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Unionist wrote:

johnpauljones wrote:
I hear that the vote at the Windsor meeting was 16 to 5 with 12 abstentions. I wonder why 12 locals abstained?

Maybe they didn't want to vote for or against?

Smile

... because politically this is becoming an fight between CUPE National president Paul Moist, and CUPE Ontario President Sid Ryan, as opposed to a debate about the actual resolution.

Let's note for example that CUPE National also failed to back CUPE Ontario when it offered to take legal action when the Government of Ontario ordered the York TA's back to work, when Ryan said he would defend the right to strike in this case. 

Moist is well... moist.

thorin_bane

johnpauljones wrote:
I hear that the vote at the Windsor meeting was 16 to 5 with 12 abstentions.  I wonder why 12 locals abstained?

Because the pro zionist Canwest Windsor Star says Ryan is a nazi...thats why. OUr paper has spent more ink on this than the entire war on afghanistan, including all the pro war bullshit. Why don't you come down to 13% unemployed windsor to see all the people who are very confused and look to authority for help but there isn't any, only the Windsor Star saying we still have too much government slash taxes...oh and save israel, god bless canada.

This community is a mess looking for some kind of leadership they don't know where to start, thus all the abstains.

Stockholm

"Go fuck yourself, Count Iggy.  Our unions don't need your permission, nor that of your party, to pass any resolution we damn well please."

Oh come on. I dislike Iggy as much as anyone - but he has every right to express an opinion on the CUPE resolution - and anything else. No one ever said that CUPE needs his "permission" to do anything.

If you want to argue against the substance of what Ignatieff has written - go ahead - but don't yell obscenities just because he is expressing his point of view. 

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You are correct Stockholm that he has every right.  We aren't allowed to respond with obscenities?  What The FUCK kind of logic is that?

Stockholm

We are "allowed" to say what we want. I'm not the judge. I'm just saying that Ignatieff should be criticized for the SUBSTANCE of the views he has expressed - NOT for the mere fact that he has expressed an opinion...and i really don't see what the point is of starting off a post with "go fuck yourself Iggy".

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And the SUBSTANCE of his views deserve a righteous "Go fuck yourself".

 

I don't see the point of your posts before they begin.

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Cueball Cueball's picture

He is saying he doesn't like it when people use invective against Iggy when Iggy is saying things he approves of.

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He seems to try and defend the NDP a lot but doesn't act like it elsewhere.  Really weird.  No wonder I swear.

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Yes, it brings the party into disrepute.

Stockholm

Meanwhile, since no one has actually argued against the substance of what Ignatieff wrote and instead just did some juvenile name-calling - I can only conclude that no one is able to rebut Ignatieff's points.

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The whole thread is an arguement against the essentials of your amd Iggy's views on this subject. The condemnation of your buddy Ignatief, merely an footnote. If you want the substance you must read up, not down.

But of course since you have not been able to refute any of the SUBSTANCE of that, this latest effort by you to turn the disccussion into some debating point on a rule of decorum is hardly suprising. Formalizing consent is what you are doing, not debating substance.

Stockholm

yawn.

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Quite the world you live in Stockholm, what's the NDP say?

Stockholm

Why don't you tell me "what world I live in" - since you seem to think you can read my mind.

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Naw, I'll just go on exposing your hypocrisy when you say you support the NDP.  They don't need enemies like you.

Stockholm

Wake me up when the NDP decides to expel anyone who doesn't follow the Sid Ryan line on the Middle East. I look forward to being joined by most of the federal caucus.

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Wake me up when the NDP stops languishing in the polls, as it is under the Federal Caucus, and yourself. Such arrogance one might expect from a member of a party that occassionally tastes the fruit of power, but this statement is on the level of a used car owner boasting that the engine hasn't fallen out yet.

Stockholm

I don't see the Socialist Workers Party or the Communist Party skyrocketing in support. And, if you think that the way to attract the votes of millions of Canadians facing economic ruin is to grandstand with silly stunts about the situation in the Middle East - go give it a try.

Sid Ryan is the best friend Israel has in Canada. The kind of invective he uses only serves to discredit his cause and makes it easy to dismiss him. For all we know, Ryan is secretely on the payroll of the Mossad as an agent provocateur whose role is to discredit criticism of Israel in Canada. 

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Yes, it's much easier and clearer, thanks Cueball.

Cueball Cueball's picture

Where is the SUBSTANCE in that lad? It's all name calling. I'll take a simple fuck off, thank you.

Here's yours: Fuck you too.

Stockholm

Oh good! I've touched a nerve!

Cueball Cueball's picture

Wrong website for that kind of discussion, honey.

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LOL!

aka Mycroft

National Post Letter

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Re: Front-page editorial cartoon by Gary Clement, Feb. 24.

It is beyond the pale for the National Post to equate Sid Ryan's stance on Israel with support for the Holocaust. Your vilification of Mr. Ryan is premised on the false proposition that Israel is being singled out and being treated differently because it describes itself as a "Jewish state." The fact is that the union movement has called for sanctions in the past against countries or states that violate human rights. The union movement boycotted Chile for its human rights abuses. Does this make it anti-Hispanic? Furthermore, it is normal for sanctions to be imposed on countries that violate UN resolutions.

Israel is violating a number of resolutions regarding both the occupation of the West Bank and the continued construction of settlements. If the National Post is serious in wanting Israel to be treated like every other nation, you should be applauding Sid Ryan, not calling him names.

Andy Lehrer, Toronto

aka Mycroft

And a response:

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Re: Sid Ryan Divides Our Readers, letter to the editor, Feb. 26.

Letter-writer Andy Lehrer takes umbrage with Gary Clement's editorial cartoon, claiming it equates CUPE's Sid Ryan with Nazi sympathizer David Ahenakew. As a Jew, I actually have more respect for Mr. Ahenakew's brand of anti-Semitism than the politically veiled covert anti-Semitism espoused by Mr. Ryan. Repugnant as Mr. Ahenakew's views are, at least he displays his hatred openly and with apparent conviction, unlike Sid Ryan who hides behind a load of mealy-mouthed moralistic claptrap.

Many Jews who support Israel's right to defend itself often question why this particular conflict attracts so many self-styled union busybodies like Sid Ryan. Despite Mr. Lehrer's assertion that CUPE also targets other countries it doesn't like , these same union activists are deafeningly silent when other conflicts that don't involve Jews hove all-too-briefly onto the headlines of our newspapers and television screens. One has to question why Mr. Ryan isn't currently spending his free time, rhetoric and member's dues to protest against human rights abuses in Sudan, Zimbabwe, Sri Lanka or Saudi Arabia.

I think the answer is pretty clear and I think Mr. Clement nailed it neatly (as he usually does).

Michael Ross, Victoria.

Which, in turn, elicited the following:

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Letter writer-Michael Ross claims that Sid Ryan and CUPE are silent in regards to conflicts that do not involve Jews. Mr. Ross asks why Mr. Ryan spends his time protesting Israel and not the Sudan. In fact, CUPE Ontario under Mr. Ryan has pressured the Ontario Municipal Employees Retirement System(OMERS) pension fund to divest from Talisman because of that company's involvement in Darfur.

CUPE has also, in recent years, passed resolutions concerning Colombia, Egypt, Iran and Guatemala. Unfortunately, Mr. Ryan's detractors never let mere facts intrude upon their favourite talking points.

 

Ken Burch

 

continuation thread started here:

 

http://www.rabble.ca/babble/canadian-politics/sid-ryan-continues-bite-back

since this one is bound to be closed for length...well, sometime...

 

 

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