With signiifcant lead in the polls and Liberals in disarray, is it only a matter of time until Harper pulls the plug?

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Stockholm

Turns out Layton will be displaying his musical talents soon after all!

 

Jack Layton, leader of Canada’s New Democrats, will be doing two of his favorite things in his dare: playing guitar and hanging out on Toronto's Danforth Ave.  It is just rare for him to do them both at the same time!  Jack’s challenge will be busking in his riding, guitar in hand, from 3-5 pm at the corner of Danforth and Logan on Saturday, October 24. 

In addition to donating to help reach Jack’s goal for the Stephen Lewis Foundation, Jack is inviting you join him and make some street music!

‘‘I’m thrilled to be able to help the Stephen Lewis Foundation every chance I get,’’ Layton said, ‘‘and of course it will be fun to get out the guitar and sing.  I’m hoping to get some friends out to join in, and anyone who wants to pitch in should come by. Bring an instrument, a song to sing or just clap along.’’ 

Please donate to help Jack meet his fundraising goal, and then mark your calendar to come out and sing on the 24th.

Thank you!

Sean in Ottawa

I wish this had been announced before Harper's NAC gig-- Layton is getting a rep for copying-- but on the other hand there is an interesting difference. Harper played before a crowd of what Lennon called jewelry rattlers while Layton is going to sing on the street for charity. I can appreciate that difference-- let's hope no Con dirty tricksters show up and egg him-- I guess it may be his response to those who will likely shjow up to disrupt by which he will be judged-- let's hope he will be prepared for that and know how to manage it.

ocsi

"I think when ordinary working people come home, turn on the TV and see ... a bunch of people ...

at a rich gala all subsidized by taxpayers claiming their subsidies aren't high enough when they

know those subsidies have actually gone up, I'm not sure that's something that resonates with ordinary people."

-- Steve

Stockholm

You could also ask who is copying who. Layton has played the guitar and sung in public many times before. In fact I have seen him do it throughout his career so no one could ever say that he was only doing it for the first time to copy Harper. If Iggy suddenly started performing after NEVER having done anything like that befdore - it would mor eof an obvious monkey-see, monkey-do.

Ordinarily, I might be concerned that some Liberal dirty tricksters would show up and try to be disruptive, but i think that given that this is a fundraising drive for the Stephen Lewis Foundation to address AIDS in Africa - even Warren Kinsella and co. know that it would be in extremely bad taste to try to pull any stunts.

Doug

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/709139--garth-turner-resigns-as-liberal-candidate

 

I'm surprised nobody mentioned this yet. As a long-standing rat, Garth Turner knows a sinking ship when he sees one.

SCB4

Doug wrote:

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/709139--garth-turner-resigns-as-liberal-candidate

 

I'm surprised nobody mentioned this yet. As a long-standing rat, Garth Turner knows a sinking ship when he sees one.

For those of you who don't bother to read the linked story, Garth is resigning as a 'potential Liberal candidate".

Umm, ok, where do I tender my resignation as a 'potential' Liberal candidate? Garth getting a bit desparate for attention or a slow news day at the Star?

 

Sean in Ottawa

Stockholm wrote:

- even Warren Kinsella and co. know that it would be in extremely bad taste to try to pull any stunts.

really?

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Stockholm wrote:

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There is nothing wrong with saying "we're listening". But the idea is to do what Layton did and say "I and my MPs have been talking to canadians across the country and they are all telling us they don't want an election". NOT to say what Iggy said which is "we did some polls and realized we goofed"

Ignatieff's problem is he can't convincingly say something like that, because he appears not to care what the average person thinks.

David Young

With the Conservative 'Buy-votes-with-cheques-with-our-logo' -gate in the news, I think we can safely say that there's no chance in Hell that Harper is going to look to going to the voters any time soon.

After the Olympics, where a good showing by Canadian athletes will become a Conservative claim of competence, that's when the real election speculation will heat up.

An NDP win in Cumberland-Colchester-Musquodoboit Valley will be another reason.

Late April, early May election anyone? 

JKR

KenS wrote:

And what Harper Crew knows is that things have changed such that unless they are confident of achieving a majority- which includes being able to withstand any erosion of support over calling the election- then they are risking losing the reigns of power.

 

This might erode some CON support. The CONS are handing out Government of Canada cheques using partisan CONservative cheques.

 

 

 

 

And there have been reports that the bulk of stimulus money has gone to CON ridings.

remind remind's picture

And the news here is all about Harper blocking investigations into military wrong doings, drip drip drip......

Brian White

Do not overestimate the voters. I bet Conservative voters love this and Liberals are sad and demoralized.

So if push comes to shove, is a coalition still impossible?

After all in a normal democracy, the other partys can count seats and I though a liberal leader with a brain would prefer to have a hand in handing out the checks. Beats watching what harper is doing.  Proves iggie is a total jackass.

If the Liberals got rid of Iggy, could a ndp/lib coalition work with the support of  the "separatists"?

(Thats how they stopped the ira) they are in government in northern ireland in coalition with the unionists.

I know some people in canada go into fits when the word coalition comes up.

Is coalition now illegal in canada?

We need coalition to kill off harper more than ever.

A couple of years out of power will politically destroy that lunatic.

Brian

 

David Young wrote:

With the Conservative 'Buy-votes-with-cheques-with-our-logo' -gate in the news, I think we can safely say that there's no chance in Hell that Harper is going to look to going to the voters any time soon.

After the Olympics, where a good showing by Canadian athletes will become a Conservative claim of competence, that's when the real election speculation will heat up.

An NDP win in Cumberland-Colchester-Musquodoboit Valley will be another reason.

Late April, early May election anyone?

KenS

Doesn't need to be a Coalition immediately after an election, much less formal agreements suffice then.

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Now that the Fall political season is in full swing, flu season is also upon us.  Has the Harper government dropped the ball on immunizations?  Other countries have already begun inoculating their citizens for H1N1.  Could this factor play a part in election timing.  Could a worst-case senario be another Walkerton ? Let's hope not.

Buddy Kat

Well if they would get their heads out of the crack bowl maybe they would be more proactive....

 

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madmax

Brian White wrote:

Do not overestimate the voters. I bet Conservative voters love this and Liberals are sad and demoralized.

So if push comes to shove, is a coalition still impossible?

I don't know how keen the LPC would be as the junior partner in a coalition, because they are well on their way to finishing below the BQ and maybe the NDP too. Embarassed

JKR

madmax wrote:

I don't know how keen the LPC would be as the junior partner in a coalition, because they are well on their way to finishing below the BQ and maybe the NDP too. Embarassed

 

The Liberals aren't the only ones falling in the polls. Since the last election the NDP's numbers have also dipped.

 

Poll Tracker - canadanewsdesk.com

 

The Liberals and NDP have both given the CONS a free ride.

I don't see why the NDP can't have a news conference stating that they will initiate legislation outlawing the use of Conservative cheques for partisan PR when handing out government money. They could then have this legislation voted on in Parliament.

And Layton could also publicly initiate legislation that would outlaw the CONS from favouring their own ridings over opposition ridings when handing out government $$$.

The CONS don't have a majority so the opposition could be enacting legislation to oppose the CONS agenda.

How about a vote opposing raising payroll taxes?

Stockholm

JKR's ideas for what the NDP ought to do sound great - but unfortunately there is almost no way to actually do it. The sad reality is that in our parliamentary system only the government gets to set the agenda and propose legislation. The only way that opposition parties can get anything on the order paper is though private members bills which get picked by lottery and which have to overcome enumerable procedural hurdles before getting voted on - and then the government is under little or no obligation to actually implement them.

 

janfromthebruce

And the NDP has lots of private members' bills going forward - alot more than either Libs or the Bloc.

Stockholm

That's true, but there is a huge time lag to get them introduced etc... its not as if the story about Keddy can be in the news today and someone from the NDP can propose a private memebrs bill about it tomorrow - if the NDP wanted to propose the bills JKR suggests (which i like) I would conservatively estimate that if all went well and the bills had high lottery numbers, they MIGHT come to a vote by next april!

JKR

Stockholm wrote:

That's true, but there is a huge time lag to get them introduced etc...

I think the NDP should worry a lot more about optics and less about the intracacies of the legislative process.

SInce the NDP is in opposition, the NDP's primary goal is not to pass legislation but rather to differentiate itself from the CONS.

What's vital is that the NDP take clear positions on issues and offer clear alternatives.

Most voters probably think the NDP, if in power, would be doing exactly what the CONS are doing with these partisan cheques. So if the NDP publicly proposed legislation opposed to such CON jobs, it would go a long way to differentiate the NDP from the CONS, even if such legislation is never inacted. The average voter does not care how legislation is passed.

Whenever the CONS slip up the NDP should do two things, make sure the world knows that the CONS have slipped up and provide a clear alternative even if it has no chance of passing in Parliament.

KenS

JKR wrote:

Stockholm wrote:

That's true, but there is a huge time lag to get them introduced etc...

Most voters probably think the NDP, if in power, would be doing exactly what the CONS are doing with these partisan cheques. So if the NDP publicly proposed legislation opposed to such CON jobs, it would go a long way to differentiate the NDP from the CONS, even if such legislation is never inacted. The average voter does not care how legislation is passed.

Despite all the rampant cynism, this is not in general true. In fact, one of the most durable assets the federal [and some provincial sections] NDP has is strong numbers around trust issues. So that isn't the problem, its getting that to not be trumped by perceptions of low competence and/or relevance on a lot of the issues.

As to your largerl point about getting attention for issues- its understood. But if legislation is virtually guaranteed to not see the light of day, then it is by definition a useless vehicle for calling attention to an issue. If the NDP makes a pronouncement about legislation it merely wants, that will be ignored by the media. And the more such pointless press releases, there is an accretion of reporters simply ignoring everything the NDP says.

Stockholm

To echo what Ken says, I think that the NDP already got a fair amount of publicity by reporting what Keddy and other Tory Mps did to the ethics comissioner and by Stoffer being the first to pick up this issue - I don't know how much mileage you would get from the press corps by pledging legislation to ban MPs from signing their names to giant cheques when everyone knows it will never happen because the opposition cannot propose legislation.

If the NDP has a very limited number of opposition days and a very limited number of private members bill allocated to it - it also becomes a question of priority. Do you want to use up limited time on proposing bills on global warming, EI reforms, pensions, health care etc... or on stopping MPs from signing giant cheques?

KenS

Theres also a certain point at which if the Liberals have been noisy about an issue- then 'me too' from the NDP is fruitless and even counterproductive. And it doesn't matter even if its the case that the Liberals are actually johnny come latelies or hypocritical.

KenS

Not to mention that this is virually guaranteed to have a short life cycle. The PMO is making sure of that by tacitly admitting its wrong.

There's only so much work that can be put into keeping [issue] plates spinning. So there is a definite cost to 'investing' in an issue that is virtually guaranteed to have a short shelf life. Let the Liberals have that.

JKR

KenS wrote:

If the NDP makes a pronouncement about legislation it merely wants, that will be ignored by the media. And the more such pointless press releases, there is an accretion of reporters simply ignoring everything the NDP says.

I think the media is already ignoring the NDP. Lately most political discussions on tv don't even include the NDP viepoint. Often political programs only have repreentattives form the Cons and Libs. And how many pundits on tv have a NDP bias? There's talk even of having a tv debate in the next election with only Harper and Ignatieff.

Somehow the NDP has to make some sort of breakthrough and get more exposure. Otherwise the NDP will still be around 15% in the polls at the beginning of the next election and will have to have a great campaign just to keep their current seats.

Stockholm

I agree about getting more exposure etc...I just don't think the way to do it is to huff and puff about bringing in bills you have no power to bring in to ban MPs from signing giant cheques.

As it happens I was reading the following in the Macleans website - what more do you want?:

"Today, the New Democrats called on Stephen Harper to introduce guidelines for government stimulus announcements, including:

A ban on all partisan logos, slogans, signatures or wordmarks on government promotional material; the only logo to appear on any promotional cheque should be the logo of the Government of Canada; only the signature of the Receiver General of Canada, not government Ministers or MPs should be placed on promotional materials.

When announcements take place in a riding held by an opposition MP, the MP should be invited to the funding announcement in recognition of their work on behalf of their constituents. No Conservative Party candidates should be invited to announcements in opposition held ridings as is currently the case.

Stoffer said such changes would take the partisanship out of announcements, including the Harper government’s routine practice of inviting Conservative Party candidates to funding announcements in opposition ridings. Meanwhile the incumbent opposition MP is often left off the invitation list and finds out about the announcement from the local media."

Most political programs like PowerPlay etc... usually have reps from the NDP along with the Liberals and Tories so I cant really complain about that. As for the rules around leaders debates - there is one set of recommendation by Tom Axworthy - a lifelong Liberal with no particular power to make anything happen. Of course he is going to suggest a debate format that favours his own party. I suppose if we wanted we could ask Ed Broadbent to head up his oen "commission" on debates and make recommednations that are self-serving to the NDP - so what it isn't going to change anything anytime soon.

JKR

Stockholm wrote:

As it happens I was reading the following in the Macleans website - what more do you want?:

This's exactly what I want from the NDP. Hopefully this story will also appear in tommorow's newspapers and tv news shows.

Doug

Uh oh - another silly Liberal trick!


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Sean in Ottawa

Stockholm-- I have noticed that powerplay and other tv shows both CBC and CTV are in fact reducing the number of panels with full opposition compliment-- mostly it is a Liberal and a Conservative followed by the media panel these days-- sometimes of course they make exceptions on CTV and have just a conservative. Very, very rarely do they have the old multiparty panels.

thorin_bane

I noticed this trend as well. The horse race is on even when one is a nag.

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