So What’s A Progressive Voter To Do?

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So What’s A Progressive Voter To Do?

Abacus, a liberal-supporting pollster, has the following results for their latest poll:

C 34%

L 33%

N 17%

So it seems apparent that we will be getting a Liberal minority government supported by the NDP, seeing the NDP has made it quite clear they will not be supporting  a Conservative government. 

R.E.Wood

NR there is already a thread about 2019 seat projections... which YOU started!!

http://www.rabble.ca/babble/canadian-politics/2019-seat-projections-libe...

 

NorthReport

Thanks

I tried to find it.

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Please advise: What does it mean being Green?

https://thetyee.ca/Opinion/2019/09/13/What-Does-It-Mean-To-Be-Green/

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’Peoplekind’ is a Painful and Goofy Example of Trudeau’s Holliness 

Https://thetyee.ca/Opinion/2018/02/09/Peoplekind-Painful-And-Goofy-Example-Of-Trudeau-Hollowness/

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Pondering

NorthReport wrote:

The Subtle Sexism of Justin Trudeau

https://thetyee.ca/Opinion/2019/08/22/Subtle-Sexism-Justin-Trudeau/

BS. He would have expected men to play ball too. 

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

Pondering wrote:

NorthReport wrote:

The Subtle Sexism of Justin Trudeau

https://thetyee.ca/Opinion/2019/08/22/Subtle-Sexism-Justin-Trudeau/

BS. He would have expected men to play ball too. 

He would have but he claimed to be a feminist and no feminist would be that disrespectful of women Cabinet Ministers.

Pondering

He did not treat them differently than he would have treated men therefore it is not a feminist issue.

Concerning the title of the thread, "What's a progressive to do?" the answer is obvious. If the NDP has a chance in your riding vote NDP. If they don't. Vote Green. If they don't, vote Liberal. If they don't. cry. Or better yet, move.

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

Pondering wrote:

He did not treat them differently than he would have treated men therefore it is not a feminist issue.

The men who make it to Cabinet have more political savvy and less ethics than the two women who were promoted to further the Liberal agenda of pretending to be progressive.

Any progressive voter in this election has one clear choice and that is the NDP. In some ridings the Greens might be a better choice. If for whatever reason one was to consider themselves a progressive and they for some reason could not vote for the NDP or Greens then vote for the Rhinos or the Marxists or an independent anything but a Liberal candidate. In no scenario is voting Liberal a progressive choice.

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kropotkin1951 wrote:

Pondering wrote:

NorthReport wrote:

The Subtle Sexism of Justin Trudeau

https://thetyee.ca/Opinion/2019/08/22/Subtle-Sexism-Justin-Trudeau/

BS. He would have expected men to play ball too. 

He would have but he claimed to be a feminist and no feminist would be that disrespectful of women Cabinet Ministers.

 

Are you alluding to JWR? She FUCKED him and the party. I'd have nothing good to say about her either.

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

Thank you for that wonderful view. Canada's problems relate to the legacy of successive Liberal governments. The Liberals are not progressive they are and always have been hypocrites. Trudeau is the perfect Liberal PM since he can cry on demand and issue apologies for anything and everything while implying it really isn't his fault and besides don't you know there is a bogeyman under the bed.

NDPP

His latest pot-boiler of a speech (sans any mention of TMX of course), following in lockstep behind Greta Thunberg's at the UNGA - an event Mr Trudeau was regretfully too redface from blackface to attend - loudly proclaims his Liberals to be the climate change party par excellence and the only possible one to slay the anti-climate change Tories. Fearing just this, watch greens and dippers, knowing Canadians can't elect them to victory, now move Liberal.

Liberals Unveil Ambitious Climate Change Plan With Few Details (CBC subsequently changed title)

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/liberals-climate-change-action-plan-205...

"It's an ambitious target, but it's doable,' said Trudeau at a campaign event in Burnaby, BC, the home riding of NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh. 'Do you want to be represented by a team that has a serious, ambitious plan that is committed to do more, or do you want a team of climate deniers with no long-term vision for Canada's environmental and economic future?' he said..."

NorthReport

Perhaps Trudeau and his basically do nothing to reduce greenhouse gases government would like to answer the question. 

Why is Greta Thunberg so triggering for certain men?

How can a 16-year-old girl in plaits, dedicated to trying to save the planet, inspire such incandescent rage?

 

https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/people/why-is-greta-thunberg-so-triggering-for-certain-men-1.4002264

NorthReport

Oh, oh, looks like the Trudeau Liberals have stepped on some more cow pies

 

Trudeau says officials reviewing case of pro-Assad honorary Syrian consul

 

Liberal Leader Justin Trudeau is promising "next steps" will be revealed soon in the case of a known supporter of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad who is now that country's honorary consul in Montreal.

"Obviously we are quite seized with this issue," said Trudeau while answering a question during a campaign stop in Burnaby, B.C.

"I have personally spoken with [Foreign Affairs Minister Chrystia Freeland] this morning, who has assured me that she is looking very carefully into how this has happened and [will] ensure that we have next steps to share with you soon."

As first reported by Maclean's, Global Affairs approved Waseem Ramli for the posting last month. The Montreal businessman has held pro-Assad demonstrations in Montreal and drives a Hummer adorned with the Syrian flag and a photo of Assad.

Waseem Ramli, right, poses for a photo with Syrian President Bashar al-Assad. Ottawa says it is looking into Ramli's controversial appointment as Syria's honorary consul in Montreal. (Waseem Ramli/Facebook)

Foreign Affairs Minister Chrystia Freeland said neither she nor her team were aware that officials had approved his nomination and she has asked the department to look into it right away.

As honorary consul, Ramli would be responsible for helping Syrian Canadians and, in some cases, Americans secure government documents.

Ramli told CBC Montreal's Daybreak that his job is to provide services to the Syrian people and his beliefs won't get in the way of that.

"For me, putting a picture of the president of my homeland, it's something I believe in," he said. "It's just [like] anybody putting someone else's president's picture on their house, on their car."

The government's guidelines for appointing honorary consuls state that "diplomatic missions should avoid controversial or politically active persons."

Conservative Leader Andrew Scheer called the appointment "outrageous."

 

 

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-freeland-assad-honorary-consul-review-1.5295429

NorthReport

Verdict: False (More deceit from the Trudeau Liberals)

Trudeau's big — and underfunded — health care promises

Liberals' pledge to 'fix' gaps in health care system would cost billions more

 

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/liberal-health-care-fact-check-1.5295449

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kropotkin1951 wrote:

Thank you for that wonderful view. Canada's problems relate to the legacy of successive Liberal governments. The Liberals are not progressive they are and always have been hypocrites. Trudeau is the perfect Liberal PM since he can cry on demand and issue apologies for anything and everything while implying it really isn't his fault and besides don't you know there is a bogeyman under the bed.

Krop, I don't know your politics but the Conservatives are worse. Don't give me the ' I'd rather be shot in the face than shot in the back'  or the ' Liberal/Tory same old story'  horse shit. 

You seem to be concerned with pipelines. I'm guessing you're a eco-socialist.  What do you presume is going to happen if the Cons win? Especially a majority? They don't believe in climate change, they are in bed with petro interests. Pipelines all over Canada. Alberta will turn into Flint, MI and pipelines in the Arctic . Think there is a bogey man under the bed? You bet.

I can't wait to read all the threads about how terrible the Conservative policies are. I'm going to laugh in people's faces. You asked for it, you got it.

But I have been here long enough to not be surprised if you all blame it on the Liberals anyway.

The Liberals nationalized a pipeline to bail out both Alberta and Notley. If I was in Trudeau' s ear I'd say stay out of it. Albertans wouldn't vote for you anyway. Fuck them.

Hate Trudeau? It seems to be in fasion these days. But I don't know about you but I vote on POLICY. Who cares who is representing them as long as they keep their promises. And the Liberals delivered on quite a few.

What do you expect from Scheer? Better question, what are you expecting from the Stephen Harper Conservatives that we didn't see already for 10 fucking years?

Don't complain when our water becomes as polluted as in the US.

melovesproles

You seem to be concerned with pipelines. I'm guessing you're a eco-socialist.  What do you presume is going to happen if the Cons win? Especially a majority? They don't believe in climate change, they are in bed with petro interests. Pipelines all over Canada.

Same thing happens with a Liberal majority.  They 'believe' in climate change. They just believe in spending billions of public funds on pipelines more. This is a fact.

Conservative or Liberal majority means we continue down the road to environmental collapse. We need a minority government with NDP (and Greens) forcing real change. 

NorthReport

Good - so whose's the NPD candidate here, eh!

Ousted Liberal candidate Hassan Guillet to run as Independent in Montreal riding

 

https://globalnews.ca/news/5944928/ousted-liberal-candidate-hassan-guillet-runs-as-independent-montreal/

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melovesproles wrote:

We need a minority government with NDP (and Greens) forcing real change. 

I'm not against that. Maybe that would bring some change. I'm just not convinced at all that the Liberals are worse than the Conservatives.

radiorahim radiorahim's picture

alan smithee wrote:

I'm not against that. Maybe that would bring some change. I'm not convinced that the Liberals are worse than the Conservatives.

Here's HOW they are worse.   Everyone knows the Tories are awful and reactionary.   Liberals are also awful and reactionary...the difference is their pseudo "progressive" sounding rhetoric that keep people locked into an illusion.

Paladin1

alan smithee wrote:

Albertans wouldn't vote for you anyway. Fuck them.

As Trudeau lovingly said "you're not in Alberta anymore".

Paladin1

radiorahim wrote:

alan smithee wrote:

I'm not against that. Maybe that would bring some change. I'm not convinced that the Liberals are worse than the Conservatives.

Here's HOW they are worse.   Everyone knows the Tories are awful and reactionary.   Liberals are also awful and reactionary...the difference is their pseudo "progressive" sounding rhetoric that keep people locked into an illusion.

 

Yup.

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

radiorahim wrote:

alan smithee wrote:

I'm not against that. Maybe that would bring some change. I'm not convinced that the Liberals are worse than the Conservatives.

Here's HOW they are worse.   Everyone knows the Tories are awful and reactionary.   Liberals are also awful and reactionary...the difference is their pseudo "progressive" sounding rhetoric that keep people locked into an illusion.

You're wrong my friend. They came from the bottom to a majority because they ran to the Left as the Mulcair NDP ran to the right. They made some progressive policies and they kept them. It seems everyone would be buzzing if those same policies were passed by the NDP. 

Again all you're doing is presenting the same argument I just denounced. It gets tiring. The Cons are better because they are reactionary? Because they are openly bad? On what planet would a so=called progressive view the Cons as the SECOND worse? What do you expect from Scheer and the Stephen Harper Conservatives?  Answer ; NOTHING unless you're rich,white and drink petrol.

To quote Leonard Nimoy.' That's highly illogical'  

voice of the damned

Paladin1 wrote:

alan smithee wrote:

Albertans wouldn't vote for you anyway. Fuck them.

As Trudeau lovingly said "you're not in Alberta anymore".

As to the argument that "Albertans" will never vote Liberal, the party got 24.6 percent of the vote in Alberta last election, and took four seats. Hardly a triumph, but in the event of a close election, those seats could prove pivotal.

Whether that alone accounts for Trudeau's pipeline policies, I don't know.  

radiorahim radiorahim's picture

Justin Trudeau

Bought

A

Pipeline

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

voice of the damned wrote:

Paladin1 wrote:

alan smithee wrote:

Albertans wouldn't vote for you anyway. Fuck them.

As Trudeau lovingly said "you're not in Alberta anymore".

As to the argument that "Albertans" will never vote Liberal, the party got 24.6 percent of the vote in Alberta last election, and took four seats. Hardly a triumph, but in the event of a close election, those seats could prove pivotal.

Whether that alone accounts for Trudeau's pipeline policies, I don't know.  

Good comeback. I over looked that. But when so called progressives derangement syndrome is being approved by this board's regular fascist...uh..I mean Conservative, you're on the wrong side of the issue.

This is one of my concerns...HOUSING. And ever since Jody Raybold threw the party and Trudeau under the bus, this important policy has been in limbo and will be scrapped with a Stephen Harper government.

http://rabble.ca/news/2019/09/snc-lavalin-scandal-drowning-out-housing-crisis-concerns-vancouver-granville-candidates

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

radiorahim wrote:

Justin Trudeau

Bought

A

Pipeline

To

Appease

Alberta

NorthReport

Trudeau's approach to apologizing to Singh is to go into Jagmeet's riding and campaign against him.

Justin is such a class act. NOT!

Trudeau and Singh's campaign paths collide, yet to speak about blackface

 

 

https://election.ctvnews.ca/trudeau-and-singh-s-campaign-paths-collide-yet-to-speak-about-blackface-1.4608413

bekayne

NorthReport wrote:

Good - so whose's the NPD candidate here, eh!

Ousted Liberal candidate Hassan Guillet to run as Independent in Montreal riding

 

https://globalnews.ca/news/5944928/ousted-liberal-candidate-hassan-guillet-runs-as-independent-montreal/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paulina_Ayala

Paladin1

alan smithee wrote:

voice of the damned wrote:

Paladin1 wrote:

alan smithee wrote:

Albertans wouldn't vote for you anyway. Fuck them.

As Trudeau lovingly said "you're not in Alberta anymore".

As to the argument that "Albertans" will never vote Liberal, the party got 24.6 percent of the vote in Alberta last election, and took four seats. Hardly a triumph, but in the event of a close election, those seats could prove pivotal.

Whether that alone accounts for Trudeau's pipeline policies, I don't know.  

Good comeback. I over looked that. But when so called progressives derangement syndrome is being approved by this board's regular fascist...uh..I mean Conservative, you're on the wrong side of the issue.

 

Radiorahim doesn't seem like a facist to me. He's been a member here almost 20 years, seems legit.

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

Paladin1 wrote:

alan smithee wrote:

voice of the damned wrote:

Paladin1 wrote:

alan smithee wrote:

Albertans wouldn't vote for you anyway. Fuck them.

As Trudeau lovingly said "you're not in Alberta anymore".

As to the argument that "Albertans" will never vote Liberal, the party got 24.6 percent of the vote in Alberta last election, and took four seats. Hardly a triumph, but in the event of a close election, those seats could prove pivotal.

Whether that alone accounts for Trudeau's pipeline policies, I don't know.  

Good comeback. I over looked that. But when so called progressives derangement syndrome is being approved by this board's regular fascist...uh..I mean Conservative, you're on the wrong side of the issue.

 

Radiorahim doesn't seem like a facist to me. He's been a member here almost 20 years, seems legit.

I never called him a fascist. Take a look at yourself. See the Conservative reactionary asshole that looks back at you.

Paladin1

alan smithee wrote:

I never called him a fascist. Take a look at yourself. See the Conservative reactionary asshole that looks back at you.

He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And if you gaze long into an abyss, the abyss also gazes into you.

NorthReport

So I suppose tactic number one approach hasn't worked out too well for Butts.....err Justin, so we'll try tactic number 2, eh!

Trudeau says entering politics, father’s death changed perspective on blackface

By 

 

https://globalnews.ca/news/5945451/trudeau-blackface-canada-election/

NorthReport

 

Wow, polling must be getting seriously worse for the Liberals, as they are losing no time in trying to sort out this mess.

Freeland vows swift response to 'unacceptable' appointment of pro-Assad official in Montreal

 

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-freeland-assad-honorary-consul-review-1.5295429

NorthReport

And now listening to Power and Politics right now the perception of the Liberal Climate Change policy appears to in total disarray. Pipeline purchase anyone? It's all smoke and mirrors.

melovesproles

Justin Trudeau

Bought

A

Pipeline

 

 

To

Appease

Alberta

So vote for appeasement? What a novel idea, I wonder if it has been tried before..

NorthReport

Still listening to the CBC Power and Politics doing their usual raw raw Liberals and Greens, and poo poo Conservatives and NDP. Who knew!

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

melovesproles wrote:

Justin Trudeau

Bought

A

Pipeline

 

 

To

Appease

Alberta

So vote for appeasement? What a novel idea, I wonder if it has been tried before..

Well yes it was about votes. Liberal support and keeping the Notley government alive. Both hadn't a chance in hell, Albertans vote Consewrvative ALWAYS with the exception of Notley's NDP.

That ain't happening again.

But the purchase of the pipeline was to appease Alberta and indirectly BC. In short, the Liberals were fools to think that Albertans would vote LPC. They should have sat that out and let Alberta and BC go to war and figure it out themselves..

Novelty idea? Duh!

NorthReport

Think before you vote, eh!

Right-winger gets destroyed for comparing Greta Thunberg to the Nazis

 

https://www.indy100.com/article/greta-thunberg-nazis-dinesh-dsouza-right-wing-9116311

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De Souza is a fucking asshole that will get his in the end.

melovesproles

But the purchase of the pipeline was to appease Alberta and indirectly BC. In short, the Liberals were fools to think that Albertans would vote LPC.

The Liberals are a lot of things but they know how to count.  The idea that this was a decision based on how it played electorally is absurd. The possible seats gained in Alberta were never going to be as many as the seats lost in BC and Quebec. The decision to buy the pipeline wasn't about winning seats in Alberta, hahaha. It was about the Liberal party's real constituents-the corporate sector.  They figured the damage electorally in BC wouldn't be enough to cost them power-polls were good, Trudeau's empty rhetoric and photo-bombing were playing well, Trump was the perfect foil etc. Trudeau could help his peeps out. I was surprised how brazen it was.

Appeasement doesn't work Alan. Kindger Morgan, SNC Lavalin and their ilk will always call the shots if the Liberals have a majority government. The 'Green New Deal' actually makes a real argument that doesn't pit regions and workers against each other.  

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melovesproles wrote:

 

Appeasement doesn't work Alan. Kindger Morgan, SNC Lavalin and their ilk will always call the shots if the Liberals have a majority government. The 'Green New Deal' actually makes a real argument that doesn't pit regions and workers against each other.  

Well at least you didn't follow up that the Conservatives are any better.

But the Greens and NDP have no chance of winning the election. It is and always will be a 2 way race every election.

I've been suggesting that the NDP/Greens and Liberals merge. It would be the best thing for our country and the only merger that makes sense.

The NDP and Greens can always hijack the Liberals from within just like Harper and his Reformers hijacked the PC Party.

Think about it.,

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melovesproles wrote:

The decision to buy the pipeline wasn't about winning seats in Alberta, hahaha. It was about the Liberal party's real constituents-the corporate sector.

As is every decision the Liberals make. Of course, they have to win seats in order to serve their real constituents, but that is just a detail for the technicians to manage.

 

WWWTT

alan smithee wrote:

melovesproles wrote:

 

Appeasement doesn't work Alan. Kindger Morgan, SNC Lavalin and their ilk will always call the shots if the Liberals have a majority government. The 'Green New Deal' actually makes a real argument that doesn't pit regions and workers against each other.  

Well at least you didn't follow up that the Conservatives are any better.

But the Greens and NDP have no chance of winning the election. It is and always will be a 2 way race every election.

I've been suggesting that the NDP/Greens and Liberals merge. It would be the best thing for our country and the only merger that makes sense.

The NDP and Greens can always hijack the Liberals from within just like Harper and his Reformers hijacked the PC Party.

Think about it.,

Na melovesproles pretty much got it.

corporations have allready hijacked the greens and NDP. Merger isn't on the minds of corpoprations when they already got most of the mp's in their pocket

Paladin1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I16qWQpS2fk

00:32 seconds in to the video. All you need to know about who the Liberals really are.

Thank you very much for your donation tonight. I really appreciate your donation to the Liberal Party of Canada.

 

Liberals have gotten so comfortable on the throne they don't even try to hide it.

NDPP

NorthReport wrote:

Oh, oh, looks like the Trudeau Liberals have stepped on some more cow pies

 

Trudeau says officials reviewing case of pro-Assad honorary Syrian consul

 

Liberal Leader Justin Trudeau is promising "next steps" will be revealed soon in the case of a known supporter of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad who is now that country's honorary consul in Montreal.

"Obviously we are quite seized with this issue," said Trudeau while answering a question during a campaign stop in Burnaby, B.C.

"I have personally spoken with [Foreign Affairs Minister Chrystia Freeland] this morning, who has assured me that she is looking very carefully into how this has happened and [will] ensure that we have next steps to share with you soon."

As first reported by Maclean's, Global Affairs approved Waseem Ramli for the posting last month. The Montreal businessman has held pro-Assad demonstrations in Montreal and drives a Hummer adorned with the Syrian flag and a photo of Assad.

Waseem Ramli, right, poses for a photo with Syrian President Bashar al-Assad. Ottawa says it is looking into Ramli's controversial appointment as Syria's honorary consul in Montreal. (Waseem Ramli/Facebook)

Foreign Affairs Minister Chrystia Freeland said neither she nor her team were aware that officials had approved his nomination and she has asked the department to look into it right away.

As honorary consul, Ramli would be responsible for helping Syrian Canadians and, in some cases, Americans secure government documents.

Ramli told CBC Montreal's Daybreak that his job is to provide services to the Syrian people and his beliefs won't get in the way of that.

"For me, putting a picture of the president of my homeland, it's something I believe in," he said. "It's just [like] anybody putting someone else's president's picture on their house, on their car."

The government's guidelines for appointing honorary consuls state that "diplomatic missions should avoid controversial or politically active persons."

Conservative Leader Andrew Scheer called the appointment "outrageous."

 

 

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-freeland-assad-honorary-consul-review-1.5295429

NDPP wrote:

How outrageous that the honorary consul of Syria should dare to represent and bear allegiance to the president of Syria!!!

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Canada is now a country were our politicians get to pick and chose who runs other countries. If our government doesn't like the UN recognized government then Freeland thinks the rules of international relations should not apply.

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