Things look bad, very bad, for the Liberals in Canada's latest polling thread

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thorin_bane

NorthReport wrote:

Now is the time for the NDP to seriously put the boots to those lying Liberals. 

 

Really? I thought we should be going after the Cons seeing as they are the ones running this circus...the libs can't say much on this front as they are ankle deep in it while the cons are up to their armpits. Go for the jugular and take the government down, we pick up seats in the west by doing so.

NR no disrespect but are you a conservative? YOu seem to get an awful lotof enjoyment from watching the libs hurt but never the cons? I still see the cons as the enemy, they will work less with us than the libs I can assure you that.

No I would rather watch the polls go to something along the lines of cons 30, libs 26, ndp 26, now that would make for an interesting parl session.

Boom Boom Boom Boom's picture

thorin_bane wrote:
Really? I thought we should be going after the Cons seeing as they are the ones running this circus...

Yayy! Someone gets it!Smile

ottawaobserver

Thorin, I don't read NR's interventions that way.  I find them usually tied to a concern that the Conservatives may be set to achieve a majority, and worrying about what could be done to stop that.

However, I do tend to agree with you that the correct strategy for the NDP is to focus on the Conservatives right now.  The hapless Liberals should not be given any more credit than they already get, and indeed they can't figure out themselves what should be the priority from day to day.

NorthReport

tb, yup Paul Martin really worked with the NDP, and that is why the Cons took power.  Just like Ignatieff works with the NDP, and that is why the Cons are holding onto power. 

Maybe we just want different things for the NDP. I have no interest politically in the NDP being the conscience of Canada, I want the NDP to form the government, albeit a good and principled one. 

Most Canadians don't want an election right now. Both Layton and Harper get that and are being rewarded for it in the polls. It seems to me the party that best gives Canadians what they want gets the brass ring.

The Liberals are representing few and fewer Canadians each day.  

NorthReport

There is no question we have been changed by 9/11 but one of the biggest menaces to what once was the Canadian way of life is Rick Hillier. The sooner we are completely rid of him the better. But which party engineered him into a position of influence. 

It's only been a decade, but the conservative way is redefining us

 

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/opinions/its-only-been-a-decade-but-the-conservative-way-is-redefining-us/article1368762/

Debater

NorthReport wrote:

 

The NDP already negotiating terms for propping up the Conservatives

Is that a good thing?

ottawaobserver

Depends what they can get.  Whatever they get, though, it will be more than the Liberals won without the coalition.

NorthReport

Absolutely, where Parliament will last for a while. And it will as even Peter the Great admitted that today. It is an excellent idea, in a minority Parliament situation, where Candians have made it clear that they are in no mood for an election.

And certainly a lot better than dealing with those Liberals who had a chance for a coalition government, but with their deranged visions of grandeur, ended up smoking themselves instead. All Ignatieff is basically doing is repeating Martin's mistakes.

 

Debater wrote:

NorthReport wrote:

 

The NDP already negotiating terms for propping up the Conservatives

Is that a good thing?

NorthReport

Here comes the Liberal pollster, H/D to the rescue. Laughing

http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadianpress/article/ALeqM5ic7-6jwKzCaLSfDfkjOmRgLAXt5Q

 

And now even an NDP pollster?

http://www.robbinssceresearch.com/polls/poll_644.html

Canada

Date / Pollster / Cons / Libs / NDP / Bloc

2008 Election / 37.7% / 26.2% / 18.2% / 10% / Cons surpassed Libs by 12%

Nov 26 / Robbins / 32.5% / 25% / 22.5%  / Woo! Hoo!  Libs lead NDP by less than 3%

Nov 26 / Har/Dec / 36% / 27% / 15% / Cons lead Libs by 9%

Nov 20 / Ipsos / 37% / 24% / 19% / Cons lead Libs by 13% & NDP reduces Libs lead to 5% 

Nov 20 / ARS / 38% / 23% / 17% / Cons lead Libs by 15% & NDP reduces Lib lead to 6% 

Nov 13 / Nanos / 38% / 28.8% / 17.9% / Cons lead Libs by 9% & Libs lead NDP by 11%

Nov 11 / EKOS / 36.6% / 26.6% / 16.8% / 

Nov 5 / EKOS / 37.4% / 26.8% / 16.3% 

Oct 29 / ARS / 40% / 26% / 17%  

Oct 28 / EKOS / 38.4% / 26.8% / 16.7%  

Oct 26 / Envir / 38% / 26% / 16%  

Oct 26 / IR / 40% / 25% / 13% 

Oct 22 / Nanos / 39.8% / 30% / 16.6% 

Oct 22 / EKOS / 38.3% / 27.1% / 14.5% 

Oct 16 / ARS / 41% / 27% / 16% 

Oct 15 / EKOS / 40.7% / 25.5% / 14.3% 

Oct 15 / HD / 35% / 28% / 15% 

Oct 12 / IR / 39% /29%/ 13% 

Oct 8 / EKOS / 39.7% / 25.7%  / 15.2% 

Oct 6 / Strat Con / 41% / 28% / 14%

BC

Date / Pollster / Cons / NDP / Libs

2008 / Election / 44.5% / 26.1% / 19.3%    

Oct 29 / ARS / 43% / 25% / 27%

Oct 28 / EKOS / 36.8% / 28.9%  / 25%

Oct 26 / Envir / 34% / 29% / 24% 

Oct 26 / IR / 49% / 23% / 18%  

Oct 22 / Nanos / 37.3% / 22.6% / 29.4%  

Oct 22 / EKOS / 37.5% / 24.9% / 25.4%  

Oct 16 / AR / 47% / 22% / 21% / 9%  

Sask/Man

Date / Pollster / Cons / NDP / Libs

Nov 11 / EKOS / 44.2% / 28.8% / 16.3%

Ontario

Date / Pollster / Cons / Libs / NDP

2008 Election / 39.2% / 33.8% / 18.2%

Nov 11 / EKOS / 39.2% / 33.8% / 15.5%

Oct 29 / ARS / 41% / 31% / 17%

Oct 15 / ARS / 45% / 29% / 19%

Quebec 

Date / Pollster / Bloc / Libs / Cons / NDP

2008 Election / 38.1% / 23.8% / 21.7% / 12.2%

Nov 11 / EKOS / 35.6% / 21.3% / 21.7% / 10.7%

Oct 29 / ARS / 40% / 20% / 21% / 15% 

Oct 28 / CROP / 37% / 23% / ? / 16%

Oct 15 / ARS / 36% / 26% / 25% / 8%

AC

Date / Pollster / Cons / Libs / NDP

2008 Election / 

Nov 11 / EKOS / 36.5% / 32.8% / 25.3%

Oct 29 / ARS / 35% / 32% / 26%

Leadership

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Quebec

Date / Pollster / Lay / Har/ Ign

Oct 28 / CROP / 26% / 25% / 20% / Layton leads

 

 

 

bekayne

According to Robbins, Green support more than doubled from the last poll one month ago (from 5% to 10.5%). Oh, and Robbins has written the first part of his book:

 

A Holocaust in Canada-The cruxificition of Glen P. Robbins

http://www.robbinssceresearch.com/polls/poll_563.html

ottawaobserver

I think there's a bit of a history on this pollster, if I remember rightly, not one we'd probably want to bend over backwards to embrace if that's the case.

bekayne

ottawaobserver wrote:

I think there's a bit of a history on this pollster, if I remember rightly, not one we'd probably want to bend over backwards to embrace if that's the case.

As a matter of fact he joined Rabble for a time in order to berate anyone here who critcized him or his methods.

Stockholm

Does Robbins actuall poll anyone who does he just make it all up? All I know is i find the rambling incoherent quality of his writing makes me question his credibility.

ottawaobserver

Bad enough any of us took comfort in Ipsos-Reid this month, eh!

Debater

Why would Green support be going up?  It doesn't make much sense unless people are protesting all of the parties.  The Greens have been out of the news since the last election, and Elizabeth May hasn't been seen for ages either.

Vansterdam Kid

Yeah, though I'd love to believe that the NDP is at 22% I remember this guy posting some really wacky things in the western forum. So I'd take his analysis with a grain of salt. Also, his margin of error numbers are often statistically impossible.

ottawaobserver

They're based on his "secret formula", he writes somewhere.  It doesn't sound too statistical to me.

NorthReport

Maybe he got hold of some of that BC Bud. Laughing

Centrist

Stockholm wrote:

Does Robbins actuall poll anyone who does he just make it all up? All I know is i find the rambling incoherent quality of his writing makes me question his credibility.

He's broke and doesn't have any money to poll - His "polls" seem to be figments of his imagination. It's actually quite entertaining stuff to read.

In a recent BC "poll", he was the purported leader of the BC Conserative party:

Quote:
Which one of the following provincial political leaders and party do you most support at this time?

Gordon Campbell and BC Liberals
  
32.0 %

Carole James and BC NDP
  
46.5 %

Jane Sterk and BC Green
  
7.0 %

Glen P. Robbins and BC Conservatives
  
15.0 %

Undecided
  
13.0 %

And here's another of his many gems:

Quote:
"Glen P. Robbins is smarter than the Government of Canada, The Liberal Party of Canada and the Conservative Party of Canada"

North Report is probably right - It must be all that BC bud.Laughing

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