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It was fairly obvious from the beginning he wasn't a serious candidate of any real intellectual heft, a privileged, bourgeois, lightweight fancy-socked fop that required a huge public relations management team and surrounded by more serious operators in the PMO and Privy Council office to try and keep him aloft and credible. He is a kind of Liberal Canadian Ronald Reagan who does what power wants but shovels out lots of fakery, 'sunny ways' and faux identity politics  - eg.'feminist foreign policy' to convince Canadians he is 'progressive' even as he sells the country down the drain with crooked, corporate trade deal sellouts like CUSMA and CETA, massively expands an expensive pro-American militarism, sells billions in arms to Saudi Arabia, grovels to Apartheid Israel and greenlights corrupt energy projects like TMX. An Indigenous friend from Secewepemc territory says they call him 'Handsome Harper'.  Now watch Chrystia Freeland's moves closely...

cco

NDPP wrote:

Let us also remember that this story comes to us courtesy of Time Magazine.  Is there perhaps a preference in some circles of  the American establishment for another Canadian leader?  'Election meddling' anyone?

I thought all the parties were the same subservient American/Israeli bootlickers and there was no point in Canadians doing anything but abstaining. Why would America back another leader, in that case?

Misfit Misfit's picture

Michael Moriarity wrote:

Misfit wrote:

Ok. Something that really disturbs me about Justin’s apology and all his other scandal apologies like “butt gate” from before.

Justin gives an apology and then reverts his pronouns to ‘we’ as though it is a common societal problem. Then he quickly preaches to people about how society needs to change and learn from this.

His apologies never come off as sincere nor that he has really learned from what happened because he doesn’t really take true ownership of what he has done. Society has failed people, not Justin, and Justin is a part of society and is really just a victim in all of this.

He doesn’t own his mistakes. He displaces them onto others.

Unfortunately, the "mistakes were made" rather than "I made a mistake" and "sorry if anyone was offended" rather than "I'm sorry for my bad behaviour" type of non-apology is quite common among politicians today.

Yes what you said is true. But with Justin, it is a different take on it. He pronoun flips to deflect off himself and to project his situation onto others. He preaches to others about the very errors that he is personally in the hot seat for having committed himself.

Example one from “butt gate” July, 2018.

”Butt Gate”...

Blackface apology pronoun flip starts at 25 seconds in on video

Black face apology video...

 

 

pietro_bcc

josh wrote:

Nice try.

But it raises the question of why the Canadian media didn't break it.

Time Magazine didn't "break" anything. Most likely the oppo research team of one of the other parties stumbled upon it and then sent to to Time. That's how politics is done. There was no Time journalist diligently checking all of Justin Trudeau's old yearbooks. Someone from another party's staff found this, then found the blackface photo and video and then let this story break before dropping the rest for maximum impact. Someone is getting a promotion in one of the opposition parties.

Same with the Scheer anti abortion videos, its all oppo research, not journalism.

voice of the damned

cco wrote:
NDPP wrote:

Let us also remember that this story comes to us courtesy of Time Magazine.  Is there perhaps a preference in some circles of  the American establishment for another Canadian leader?  'Election meddling' anyone?

I thought all the parties were the same subservient American/Israeli bootlickers and there was no point in Canadians doing anything but abstaining. Why would America back another leader, in that case?

If you look at the reaction that this story is getting all over North America and indeed in the UK and continental Europe as well, it's pretty obvious why Time would publish the story: it's major clickbait.

https://tinyurl.com/y24av7hu

I admit, it's still an intriguing question as to why our Deep Throat of Old Yearbooks went to an American outlet rather than a Canadian one. A few possibilities...

...he's a right-winger who thinks that all Canadian media is left-wing and would suppress the story to protect Trudeau. (Doesn't really hold up, since those types would probably have the same view about Time, and would likely submit the story to a more recoginzed right-wing site like Breitbart.)

...he thought having the story go international right from the start would be more embarrassing for Trudeau, ie. the whole world is talking about it even before the Liberal war-room can come up with an intitial response.

In any event, I'm pretty sure that had he submitted it to almost any mainstream Canadian outlet, including rabble, they would have done exactly the same thing that Time did.

 

 

 

 

 

Pondering

WWWTT wrote:

Pondering wrote:

I don't want Josh to be right but I think he is. The economy and climate change are the big issues. Even so people don't seem to understand that the NDP is the only party seriously addressing those issues. 

Pondering= white person that doesn't think people affected by racism will pay any attention to Justin's blatant racism and will vote for Justin anyways

Because Conservatives treat POC so much better. I would be delighted if Jagmeet Singh becomes our PM. I would be dancing in the street. It's not likely.

It is only the privileged that can afford to cut of their noses to spite  their faces.  

WWWTT= someone who thinks all POC are the same. 

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

The photo is in a year book of one of the most expensive schools in Vancouver. I am sure there are lots of those rich families that are Conservative, who cares which one of them brought it forward. This goes to character and hopefully many people even some white people might say I voted for his party last time but fuck that hypocrite this time. The key is for Jagmeet to continue his good performance to give our urban Millennials someone to vote for to voice their outrage at the status quo that marginalizes them and is sentencing their generation to climate chaos of unknown proportions.

josh

I can't believe this wasn't brought forward 4 years ago.

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

josh wrote:

I can't believe this wasn't brought forward 4 years ago.

Maybe he hadn't pissed off the right people yet or someone was reminiscing with the year book and went OMFG.

jerrym

jerrym wrote:

Debater wrote:

josh wrote:

This will have little impact on the results.

Yeah, it seems like someone is digging up dirt on Trudeau from way back.

How does dressing up as an Aladdin character once back in his college days mean Trudeau is a racist?

It's politically-incorrect and culturally insensitive in today's times, but some of the reactions above are way overblown.

And the NDP is not in a position to beat the Conservatives and most progressive voters know that.

It seems that the only thing you are interested in is whether it will affect the Liberal vote and the election outcome. 

Although I am Caucasian, my Filipino wife and our 25 and 18 year old sons are strongly offended by Trudeau's black and brown face actions, as I am. I recognize that not all people of colour will view this in the same light, but it does dredge up memories for my family that are far from pleasant, regardless of the extent to which it affects the election outcome.

By the way, your statement is factually incorrect on two counts. This did not happen "in his college days" as you allege but when he was a 29 high school teacher, a position in which you are expected to be a role model to children. It also raises the question of why he has his hand directly above the breast of one of the women.

It was also not a matter of dressing up "once" as you allege, because he also did in high school in black face, according to press reports that he also admitted to.  

 

There is now a third incident of Trudeau in brownface and blackface reported by CTV with a video clip included in the url below despite Trudeau saying last night that there were only two times that he had done this. 

Three separate instances of Liberal Leader Justin Trudeau wearing either brownface or blackface makeup have emerged in the last 24 hours, throwing the party's re-election campaign into major damage-control mode.

Trudeau is set to address reporters at 2:15 p.m. ET from Winnipeg.

https://election.ctvnews.ca/fallout-from-photos-video-of-trudeau-in-brow...

voice of the damned

josh wrote:

I can't believe this wasn't brought forward 4 years ago.

Well, how many graduates from that school 20 years ago would a) still have their copies of that yearbook(assuming they bought one in the first place), and b) dislike their former teacher enough to wreck his high-flying political career, and c) want to expose their own lives to the kind of intrusive publicity that would come about as a result?

And those aren't rhetorical questions, I really don't know. But if it's a minimal number of alumni in possession of old yearbooks, and a large number of those are Liberal or even just apolitical, it might not be so far-fetched that they didn't come forth sooner.

Plus(and this is just speculation on my part) but the guy who did leak the photos might have thought that waiting till the middle of the campaign would be the best way to maximize the damage.   

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We don't know that Adamson is the reason for this story. Other reports said the three-woman team of journalists from Timor heard of the story and began looking for it. They obtained a copy via Adamson, then dug further to flesh out and confirm the story. Two of those journalists were women of colour by the way. 

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

How many times has he dressed up as an Indian for Halloween or some costume party or maybe as a trans person. I think that we may see more  photos coming. After all he has never met a camera he didn't like since he was old enough to walk.

It has many interesting dynamics. In BC right wing people vote for the BC Liberals who are the masters of hypocrisy despite having a BC Conservative party. The question is will those BC Liberal supporters who voted for Justin last time care that he is a three faced hypocrite given that is the style of politics they already vote for provincially.  In BC the NDP relies on three way races to win seats. 

Badriya

Mighty Middle wrote:

Badriya wrote:

josh wrote:

Nice try.

But it raises the question of why the Canadian media didn't break it.

A Vancouver businessman, Michael Adamson, went to Time with the story.  Does anyone from BC know anything about Adamson?  I did a quick search and all I found is that he likely lives in Shaughnessy Heights.

He is a Conservative supporter who HATES the NDP and donated to Andrew Scheer leadership campaign.

Thanks.  I figured he had to be, but he doesn't have much of an internet presence.

NorthReport

Thanks for your comments swallow

swallow wrote:

NorthReport wrote:

I wish that Maysie was still around here and that she could share with us her point of view

Maysie gave this place a huge gift in attempting to do anti-racist education work. 

Yet a thread on a clearly racist incident is used to parse polling outcomes, not to confront and educate about racism. 

Babble is a less safe space for people of colour than it once was. Why would Maysie, or anyone else involved in anti-racist education, stick around? She and other provided multiple resources. The board mostly ignored that work, and remains a place of expressed white privilege. 

Maysie's point of view is evident on the threads that Unionist was good enough to bump. Anti-racist resources are abundant in the anti-racist forum. Let's do the work ourselves, for once. 

NorthReport

How naive can you be?

voice of the damned wrote:

cco wrote:
NDPP wrote:

Let us also remember that this story comes to us courtesy of Time Magazine.  Is there perhaps a preference in some circles of  the American establishment for another Canadian leader?  'Election meddling' anyone?

I thought all the parties were the same subservient American/Israeli bootlickers and there was no point in Canadians doing anything but abstaining. Why would America back another leader, in that case?

If you look at the reaction that this story is getting all over North America and indeed in the UK and continental Europe as well, it's pretty obvious why Time would publish the story: it's major clickbait.

https://tinyurl.com/y24av7hu

I admit, it's still an intriguing question as to why our Deep Throat of Old Yearbooks went to an American outlet rather than a Canadian one. A few possibilities...

...he's a right-winger who thinks that all Canadian media is left-wing and would suppress the story to protect Trudeau. (Doesn't really hold up, since those types would probably have the same view about Time, and would likely submit the story to a more recoginzed right-wing site like Breitbart.)

...he thought having the story go international right from the start would be more embarrassing for Trudeau, ie. the whole world is talking about it even before the Liberal war-room can come up with an intitial response.

In any event, I'm pretty sure that had he submitted it to almost any mainstream Canadian outlet, including rabble, they would have done exactly the same thing that Time did.

 

 

 

 

 

WWWTT

voice of the damned wrote:

KarlL wrote:

Mighty Middle wrote:

Badriya wrote:

 

josh wrote:

Nice try.

But it raises the question of why the Canadian media didn't break it.

A Vancouver businessman, Michael Adamson, went to Time with the story.  Does anyone from BC know anything about Adamson?  I did a quick search and all I found is that he likely lives in Shaughnessy Heights.

He is a Conservative supporter who HATES the NDP and donated to Andrew Scheer leadership campaign.

 

The photo (and those that followed) speaks for itself and is deplorable.  Why on Earth does it matter who the source was?  

 

The motivations of the source are relevant for historians of the 2019 election campaign, as they speak to the agenda of a pivotal player. Not so relevant for determining what the rest of us should think about Trudeau's foray into cultural drag.

That said, I do fear that the net effect might be more helpful to the Cons than to the NDP. Because the Conservatives can neutralize the Liberals' attack on social issues by saying "See, Trudeau is worse than we are!". And most Liberal supporters, rather than going over to the NDP will just say "Hey, it was a different time and place, different standards etc".  

But I'm open to being wrong. When I first saw this story a couple of hours back, I figured it would be of minimal impact, but then the video was released, and now the campaign is on hold, so who know's where this is heading.

Be real careful about what you write! Think. And try to see the perspective of people of color.

Jag will be the net winner coming out of this scandal. Guaranteed!

This is a racist act by Justin. How would the conservatives, led by another white guy gain from this?

The only way Justin recovers (never going to happen) is if the racist voters in Canada rally behind him (never going to happen)

The only way Scheer gains, people of color pissed of at a racist go vote for another white guy. You think that's going to happen?

Also (and here's where you become a borderline racist) what makes you think Jag can never be pm of Canada?

If you have become so disillusioned to believe that Jag can never become pm of Canada because voters in Canada are racist and won't vote for a person of color and wears a turban, then you're a borderline racist!

WWWTT

Pondering wrote:

WWWTT wrote:

Pondering wrote:

I don't want Josh to be right but I think he is. The economy and climate change are the big issues. Even so people don't seem to understand that the NDP is the only party seriously addressing those issues. 

Pondering= white person that doesn't think people affected by racism will pay any attention to Justin's blatant racism and will vote for Justin anyways

Because Conservatives treat POC so much better. I would be delighted if Jagmeet Singh becomes our PM. I would be dancing in the street. It's not likely.

It is only the privileged that can afford to cut of their noses to spite  their faces.  

WWWTT= someone who thinks all POC are the same. 

Get ready to be proven wrong borderline racist.

Ken Burch Ken Burch's picture

WWWTT wrote:

Pondering wrote:

WWWTT wrote:

Pondering wrote:

I don't want Josh to be right but I think he is. The economy and climate change are the big issues. Even so people don't seem to understand that the NDP is the only party seriously addressing those issues. 

Pondering= white person that doesn't think people affected by racism will pay any attention to Justin's blatant racism and will vote for Justin anyways

Because Conservatives treat POC so much better. I would be delighted if Jagmeet Singh becomes our PM. I would be dancing in the street. It's not likely.

It is only the privileged that can afford to cut of their noses to spite  their faces.  

WWWTT= someone who thinks all POC are the same. 

Get ready to be proven wrong borderline racist.

This is probably the point where you need to remind them who you're married to.  

Pogo Pogo's picture

The only issue in this election is climate change.

NDP wins -humanity probably dies, but we tried

Liberals win - humanity dies but we say we tried (but didn't really)

Conservatives win - humanity dies but we deny it is happening to the very end

Ken Burch Ken Burch's picture

WWWTT wrote:

voice of the damned wrote:

KarlL wrote:

Mighty Middle wrote:

Badriya wrote:

 

josh wrote:

Nice try.

But it raises the question of why the Canadian media didn't break it.

A Vancouver businessman, Michael Adamson, went to Time with the story.  Does anyone from BC know anything about Adamson?  I did a quick search and all I found is that he likely lives in Shaughnessy Heights.

He is a Conservative supporter who HATES the NDP and donated to Andrew Scheer leadership campaign.

 

The photo (and those that followed) speaks for itself and is deplorable.  Why on Earth does it matter who the source was?  

 

The motivations of the source are relevant for historians of the 2019 election campaign, as they speak to the agenda of a pivotal player. Not so relevant for determining what the rest of us should think about Trudeau's foray into cultural drag.

That said, I do fear that the net effect might be more helpful to the Cons than to the NDP. Because the Conservatives can neutralize the Liberals' attack on social issues by saying "See, Trudeau is worse than we are!". And most Liberal supporters, rather than going over to the NDP will just say "Hey, it was a different time and place, different standards etc".  

But I'm open to being wrong. When I first saw this story a couple of hours back, I figured it would be of minimal impact, but then the video was released, and now the campaign is on hold, so who know's where this is heading.

Be real careful about what you write! Think. And try to see the perspective of people of color.

Jag will be the net winner coming out of this scandal. Guaranteed!

This is a racist act by Justin. How would the conservatives, led by another white guy gain from this?

The only way Justin recovers (never going to happen) is if the racist voters in Canada rally behind him (never going to happen)

The only way Scheer gains, people of color pissed of at a racist go vote for another white guy. You think that's going to happen?

Also (and here's where you become a borderline racist) what makes you think Jag can never be pm of Canada?

If you have become so disillusioned to believe that Jag can never become pm of Canada because voters in Canada are racist and won't vote for a person of color and wears a turban, then you're a borderline racist!

This is at least THREE racist acts by Justin, by the latest count.  Sad thing is, he'll likely be given a pass on all of it so long as there isn't a photo of him dressed as an IDF commander.

Misfit Misfit's picture

WWWTT,

When many of these posters discuss the electoral damage this issue will have on the outcome of the election, they are not expressing their own personal hopes. They are rather discussing objective beliefs about how other Canadian voters outside this board will react to this news and affect the election results.

On CBC radio an hour ago, citizens were interviewed in Regina about what they feel the impact of this will have on the election and many responded that the damage will be negligible (including from people of colour and from recent immigrants to Canada who are racial minorities). 

Misfit Misfit's picture

josh wrote:

I can't believe this wasn't brought forward 4 years ago.

I was wondering why they brought this up so early in the election call. It would have been more damaging to have postponed it for a week or ten days unless there is another scandalous bombshell to unload sometime in October.

quizzical
quizzical

Misfit wrote:

josh wrote:

I can't believe this wasn't brought forward 4 years ago.

I was wondering why they brought this up so early in the election call. It would have been more damaging to have postponed it for a week or ten days unless there is another scandalous bombshell to unload sometime in October.

Scheer and May needed the page turned away from their actions?

 

 

 

NDPP

Ken Burch wrote:

This is at least THREE racist acts by Justin, by the latest count.  Sad thing is, he'll likely be given a pass on all of it so long as there isn't a photo of him dressed as an IDF commander.

NDPP wrote:

I hardly think so. Or any other Canadian political leader guaranteed to be a fervent supporter of Israel in all situations and circumstances. And the Prime Minister of Canada is far, far more valuable to Israel than any mere IDF commander...

'Justin Trudeau Who Has Expressed His Unwavering Support of Israel Again and Again'

https://cija.ca/building-ties-canadian-jewry-prime-minister/

https://youtu.be/OTvO_SeTvrU

The odious and embarrassing blackfaced liar Trudeau may or may not be a dead politician walking but Israel could live quite happily with any of the others.

WWWTT

Misfit wrote:

WWWTT,

When many of these posters discuss the electoral damage this issue will have on the outcome of the election, they are not expressing their own personal hopes. They are rather discussing objective beliefs about how other Canadian voters outside this board will react to this news and affect the election results.

On CBC radio an hour ago, citizens were interviewed in Regina about what they feel the impact of this will have on the election and many responded that the damage will be negligible (including from people of colour and from recent immigrants to Canada who are racial minorities). 

I understand your comment Misfit. As I learn about racism, how complex how deep inside and particular how unrecognizable it can be, I realize how much of a racist I am. I see it everywhere.

Perhaps I am being too condescending in my comments? Maybe not enough? Or maybe I'm bang on?

I believe Justin is finished as pm now. He will not recover from this. How can this racist dirt bag lead the country after so many displays of idiotic judgement?

WWWTT

josh wrote:

I can't believe this wasn't brought forward 4 years ago.

?

Justin is the victim now?

The racist did it almost 20 years ago. In 2008 he won his first election to become an mp.

He should have never gottin into politics in the first place

radiorahim radiorahim's picture

What would indeed be sweet would be seeing Christine Pare knock off Justin Trudeau in his home constituency in Papineau.   It's not all that crazy, the NDP has done quite well in that constituency in the past.

Christine is a socialist feminist housing activist in this multicultural and largely working class constituency in Montreal.   I understand that the current local MP has not always done that great a job for the folks on the home front.

I like to keep a tiny pot of "mad money" so that I can make little small donations to particular candidates that I like.   I think I'll send a little her way.

 

NDPP

Wouldn't that be delightful!

"What a shocker to learn that Justin Trudeau - who in his political life supports Trump's coup in Venezuela, Israeli occupation and apartheid in Palestine, and the US-Saudi war on Yemen -- is a racist in his personal life too."

So glad to see the Trudeau brand and 'Nice Canada' nonsense quickly turn to shit around the world.

Misfit Misfit's picture

WWWTT,

Josh’s comment was not an expression of sympathy for Justin. He was expressing shock that this blackface and Brownface was not publicly exposed earlier. The fact that it didn’t come out sooner is an act of racism in itself. There were people who witnessed and knew about his black/Brownface yet they didn’t do anything to stop him or make it public. Either they were too ignorant of the history and meaning behind it or they did know but just didn’t care. I think it is the latter, the usual look the other away indifference.

Here is an interesting issue/question. Jagmeet Singh cannot live in Quebec and hold down a government paying job because he wears a turban for religious reasons. Justin Trudeau does live in Quebec and he can work for the provincial government in Quebec if he so chooses. Could Justin Trudeau be a school teacher and wear a turban in Quebec at a school social if the intent of wearing the turban is to mock another culture? 

NorthReport

You have this wonderful impression of our Canadian media but I have my doubts that the CBC or the Toronto Star would have rushed to print. I talk about these 2 media outlets because I hold them to higher standards than some of the other trash which passes for media in this country

voice of the damned wrote:

cco wrote:
NDPP wrote:

Let us also remember that this story comes to us courtesy of Time Magazine.  Is there perhaps a preference in some circles of  the American establishment for another Canadian leader?  'Election meddling' anyone?

I thought all the parties were the same subservient American/Israeli bootlickers and there was no point in Canadians doing anything but abstaining. Why would America back another leader, in that case?

If you look at the reaction that this story is getting all over North America and indeed in the UK and continental Europe as well, it's pretty obvious why Time would publish the story: it's major clickbait.

https://tinyurl.com/y24av7hu

I admit, it's still an intriguing question as to why our Deep Throat of Old Yearbooks went to an American outlet rather than a Canadian one. A few possibilities...

...he's a right-winger who thinks that all Canadian media is left-wing and would suppress the story to protect Trudeau. (Doesn't really hold up, since those types would probably have the same view about Time, and would likely submit the story to a more recoginzed right-wing site like Breitbart.)

...he thought having the story go international right from the start would be more embarrassing for Trudeau, ie. the whole world is talking about it even before the Liberal war-room can come up with an intitial response.

In any event, I'm pretty sure that had he submitted it to almost any mainstream Canadian outlet, including rabble, they would have done exactly the same thing that Time did.

 

 

 

 

 

NorthReport

You have this wonderful impression of our Canadian media but I have my doubts that the CBC or the Toronto Star would have rushed to print. I talk about these 2 media outlets because I hold them to higher standards than some of the other trash which passes for media in this country

voice of the damned wrote:

cco wrote:
NDPP wrote:

Let us also remember that this story comes to us courtesy of Time Magazine.  Is there perhaps a preference in some circles of  the American establishment for another Canadian leader?  'Election meddling' anyone?

I thought all the parties were the same subservient American/Israeli bootlickers and there was no point in Canadians doing anything but abstaining. Why would America back another leader, in that case?

If you look at the reaction that this story is getting all over North America and indeed in the UK and continental Europe as well, it's pretty obvious why Time would publish the story: it's major clickbait.

https://tinyurl.com/y24av7hu

I admit, it's still an intriguing question as to why our Deep Throat of Old Yearbooks went to an American outlet rather than a Canadian one. A few possibilities...

...he's a right-winger who thinks that all Canadian media is left-wing and would suppress the story to protect Trudeau. (Doesn't really hold up, since those types would probably have the same view about Time, and would likely submit the story to a more recoginzed right-wing site like Breitbart.)

...he thought having the story go international right from the start would be more embarrassing for Trudeau, ie. the whole world is talking about it even before the Liberal war-room can come up with an intitial response.

In any event, I'm pretty sure that had he submitted it to almost any mainstream Canadian outlet, including rabble, they would have done exactly the same thing that Time did.

 

 

 

 

 

WWWTT

Misfit wrote:

WWWTT,

Josh’s comment was not an expression of sympathy for Justin. He was expressing shock that this blackface and Brownface was not publicly exposed earlier. The fact that it didn’t come out sooner is an act of racism in itself. There were people who witnessed and knew about his black/Brownface yet they didn’t do anything to stop him or make it public. Either they were too ignorant of the history and meaning behind it or they did know but just didn’t care. I think it is the latter, the usual look the other away indifference.

Here is an interesting issue/question. Jagmeet Singh cannot live in Quebec and hold down a government paying job because he wears a turban for religious reasons. Justin Trudeau does live in Quebec and he can work for the provincial government in Quebec if he so chooses. Could Justin Trudeau be a school teacher and wear a turban in Quebec at a school social if the intent of wearing the turban is to mock another culture? 

Yes a very good point that you are bringing up! Just makes it more likely Justin has to go ASAP!

However I disagree with you about josh. And many other posters here. And we're going to have to leave it at that

nicky

Trudeau may somehow skate away from this controversy. I have heard or read various “man on the street” interviews where people have been almost uniformly forgiving. They say variants of :

- it was a long time ago

- he has aplogized

- I don’t believe in light of his record that he is racist

- this is a diversion from the issues.

For example, the Globe this morning has interviews with a dozen voters in Papineau, all of whom to some degree at least are supportive of Trudeau.

this said, I think his behaviour is appalling. I would cite three reasons, none of which seem to be dealt with by the media, except minimally:

- individual candidates have been bounced for less.

- The setting. Trudeau was 29, not 19. He was the son of a former PM. He appeared in front of his own students. He should have recognized he was a role model and behaved more responsibly.

- Character in general. It is part of a pattern of callowness, self-privilege, bad judgment and deception. Groping that woman in the Kootenays, abandoning electoral reform and other promises, elbowing Ruth Ellen, lying about the Globe’s Lavalin revelations, his treatment of JWR and Philpot, keeping on the tainted Gerald Butts as an advisor, mocking Aboriginal protestors recently by thanking them for their donations to the Liberal Party, etc. Etc.

As the ancient Greeks said, “character is destiny.” Perhaps this will come true for Trudeau.

voice of the damned

Trudeau was smart to say that he can't recall how many other times he might have done blackface. That way, if more images emerge, he can't be accused of lying. 

(Granted,it's pretty implausible that he wouldn't remember, unless doing blackface was such a common part of his life that it's all just a big blur to him.)

NDPP

"Justin Trudeau's 'brownface' photo is the most shared news story in the entire world right now."

https://twitter.com/pressprogress/status/1174672975678844928

NDPP

Man in Photo With Trudeau Not Offended by Costume, Says 'It's Not A Big Thing'

https://nationalpost.com/pmn/news-pmn/canada-news-pmn/man-in-photo-with-...

It certainly is now.

Pondering

WWWTT wrote:

Pondering wrote:

WWWTT wrote:

Pondering wrote:

I don't want Josh to be right but I think he is. The economy and climate change are the big issues. Even so people don't seem to understand that the NDP is the only party seriously addressing those issues. 

Pondering= white person that doesn't think people affected by racism will pay any attention to Justin's blatant racism and will vote for Justin anyways

Because Conservatives treat POC so much better. I would be delighted if Jagmeet Singh becomes our PM. I would be dancing in the street. It's not likely.

It is only the privileged that can afford to cut of their noses to spite  their faces.  

WWWTT= someone who thinks all POC are the same. 

Get ready to be proven wrong borderline racist.

You mistake evaluation for support. There is absolutely nothing racist about saying this will have a limited impact on his electoral chances. 

Here are some comments from actual PoC. 

Antoinette Bryan was one of the onlookers who interacted with Trudeau in the park where he delivered his second apology. She told CTV News that when she shook his hand, she wanted him to know that from a black woman’s perspective, she still respects him and was satisfied with his comments.....

 The next question came from an Indigenous leader who also told Trudeau that he accepts his apology.

https://election.ctvnews.ca/trudeau-says-images-of-him-in-blackface-and-brownface-unacceptable-unsure-if-there-are-more-1.4600455

I do not agree with the above PoC but I see their point. 

rac·ist

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  1. a person who shows or feels discrimination or prejudice against people of other races, or who believes that a particular race is superior to another.

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​Dressing up in black face is in poor taste and insulting based on colonialist history and Trudeau should absolutely have known better and probably did. 

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Couldn't care less who he is married to. All that matters is what he says and what he is saying is that the black woman and indigenous leader must be racist if they are willing to vote for Trudeau. 

If I say something is going to catch on fire it doesn't mean I want it to catch on fire it means it is what I foresee. It does not make me an arsonist. When I say I don't think this will hurt him much if at all on the day of the election it doesn't mean I support that outcome it just means that is what I think the future holds. 

NorthReport
Michael Moriarity Michael Moriarity's picture

There's a young YouTuber I've been following lately. I think he's from New Zealand. Anyway, his take on this whole matter strikes me as pretty insightful.

MegB

Media knew about this whole shitshow more than a year ago. Ask yourselves, why didn't they report it when they first found out? What do they have to gain by exposing it now, shortly before the federal election? Who are they supporting and who are they gunning for?

bekayne

MegB wrote:

Media knew about this whole shitshow more than a year ago. Ask yourselves, why didn't they report it when they first found out? What do they have to gain by exposing it now, shortly before the federal election? Who are they supporting and who are they gunning for?

Which ones?

NDPP

I would like to see a timeline which includes the known facts about who discovered what when and who and how it was passed to TIME etc. It seems an obvious sort of analysis for a major media outlet to do and perhaps there is already such a thing. In any case, if you know of such a timeline/analysis please post it. Many thanks in anticpation of your efforts. It's true. Quite aside from Trudeau's objectionable blackface antics, there's definitely something off and fishy about this whole thing.

Caveat Emptor?

Paladin1

If only Trudeau had a way to pick some low hanging fruit and distract voters. 

 

Something big, a huge promise that seems great at first but will be a nightmare to impliment and tons of avenues to back out of - like cost. 

NorthReport

Well that didn't take long for the conspiracy theorists to surface, eh!  Like death and taxes we can count on fake news now as well.

Paladin1

What fake news is that?

 

Misfit Misfit's picture

NDPP wrote:

I would like to see a timeline which includes the known facts about who discovered what when and who and how it was passed to TIME etc. It seems an obvious sort of analysis for a major media outlet to do and perhaps there is already such a thing. In any case, if you know of such a timeline/analysis please post it. Many thanks in anticpation of your efforts. It's true. Quite aside from Trudeau's objectionable blackface antics, there's definitely something off and fishy about this whole thing.

Caveat Emptor?

Here is an interview with a Time reporter who uncovered the story. It starts at 4:30:00 into the radio segment.

Interview

NDPP

Thanks Misfit...

NR there is no greater purveyor of msm conspiracy theories than thee. And for an afficionado of Louise Mensch to point his finger at 'conspiracy theorists' is very rich indeed. Just remember when you do there are three more pointing back at you.

BertramPotts BertramPotts's picture

NDPP wrote:

I would like to see a timeline which includes the known facts about who discovered what when and who and how it was passed to TIME etc. It seems an obvious sort of analysis for a major media outlet to do and perhaps there is already such a thing. In any case, if you know of such a timeline/analysis please post it. Many thanks in anticpation of your efforts. It's true. Quite aside from Trudeau's objectionable blackface antics, there's definitely something off and fishy about this whole thing.

Caveat Emptor?

I've no idea how the TIME reporter got the photo, but Canadaland dug up the second photo on the waybackmachine, it's been accessible at this URL (https://web.archive.org/web/20040125161243/http://www.wpga.ca/pdf/viewpo...) for over a decade, apparently no one thought to look. 

The Conservatives had the blackface video and passed it onto Global, it's not an unreasonable guess that they might have pulled the TIME photo from the same oppo folder, but I doubt we'll ever know for sure. I know for a fact the NDP has done some artful oppo dumps about Trudeau in the past that no one ever connected to us. 

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