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voice of the damned

Why is Trudeau saying he's gonna apologize to Jagmeet Singh personally? It seems to me that dressing up in brownface is offensive to racialized people generally, not to any racialized person in particular(unless you were explicity portraying yourself as that one specific individual, which Trudeau was not).

I'm guessing it's just that Singh is the racialized person who is in the best position to damage Trudeau's career prospects.

NDPP

bekayne wrote:

MegB wrote:

Media knew about this whole shitshow more than a year ago. Ask yourselves, why didn't they report it when they first found out? What do they have to gain by exposing it now, shortly before the federal election? Who are they supporting and who are they gunning for?

Which ones?

NDPP wrote:

I have no difficulty believing that at all. In fact it makes perfect sense that a variety of media and interested parties would go searching for dirt on various politicians to weaponize during an election. So, given that it was TIME that actually 'broke' the story and it appears from Misfit's link they were alerted to its existence before they began their own investigation, is there documentation or a reference to support your contention Canadian media were aware of this story a year ago? If so, and its release was postponed until now, TIME being the chosen vehicle with worldwide, maximum reach for maximum damage, then we may indeed be looking at a Canadian equivalent to an 'October surprise.'  In any case there are still significant holes and hazy areas in the provenance of this rather important event.

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voice of the damned wrote:

Why is Trudeau saying he's gonna apologize to Jagmeet Singh personally? It seems to me that dressing up in brownface is offensive to racialized people generally, not to any racialized person in particular(unless you were explicity portraying yourself as that one specific individual, which Trudeau was not).

I'm guessing it's just that Singh is the racialized person who is in the best position to damage Trudeau's career prospects.

It's a trap for Singh, either Singh absolves him or looks petty by not accepting the apology.  

I'm not always the biggest fan of Singh's instincts but I think this is one subject on which he can definitely handle himself, the right response is to not play Justin's game and to pivot to the very real failings of this government on racial justice issues. 

NDPP

It is important to note the vastly increased amount of coverage Justin Trudeau is receiving from msm over this.  Although the automatic assumption especially among the chattering classes is that it is politically damaging, it may also be that just like Donald Trump in 2016, ultimately, the sheer increased quantity of focus and attention he receives,  could in the end ironically improve his final standing not diminish it. We'll see.

WWWTT

Here's a racist article from the faux socialist imperialist corporate media outlet the ts

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/elections/thomas-walkom-was-trudeaus-beha...

Thanks imperialist corporate media stooge white guy for telling us what is and isn't racism you fucking liberal hack!

Go back to your privelage white  lifestyle your accustumed to. We'll come knocking when we're not sure what racism is stooge!

voice of the damned

NDPP wrote:

It is important to note the vastly increased amount of coverage Justin Trudeau is receiving from msm over this.  Although the automatic assumption especially among the chattering classes is that it is politically damaging, it may also be that just like Donald Trump in 2016, ultimately, the sheer increased quantity of focus and attention he receives,  could in the end ironically improve his final standing not diminish it. We'll see.

The difference is that Trump was appealing to people who like to see populists sticking it to "politically correct SJWs", and stories of him engaged in anti-feminist and anti-immigrant bashing played well into that narrative.

But Trudeau appeals to people who like to see progressive liberals take on right-wing populists, so photos of him mocking racialized groups don't play so well into THAT narrative.

That said, I'm still not convinced this is gonna do hurt Trudeau in the long run. "A long time ago, different standards" will be a pretty enticing fallback for his fan base, even though they'd snort in contempt if someone employed it in defense of a conservative who had worn blackface decades earlier.

 

voice of the damned

From Thomas Walkom...

The yearbook photos that gave rise to this story suggest, in fact, that Trudeau played Aladdin as a bit of a ladies’ man and one cool cat.

Hm. Not sure I'd be wanting to draw attention to that photograph. Analysis of surface images is always dicey, but, if we CAN conclude anything from such an analysis(and Walkom seems to think we can), there seems to be a bit of a consensus that JT comes off a little skeezy there.

The answer is no. Classic American blackface typically demeans Black people. Classic American rock and roll typically does not. Yet both involve whites borrowing from black culture.

Umm, no. Unless putting on black make-up to make yourself look black is part of black culture. Which it obviously isn't.  

 

 

 

 

jerrym

There are some new daily numbers out from Nanos since all of this broke. The changes are small enough that they could be sampling noise but they are not implausible results of what has happened since many people from all parties say Singh has performed best in addressing this issue. 

On which party one supports:  

Cons 37.4 (- 0.4)

Libs 34.2 (- 0.8)

NDP (12.8) (+1.0)

Greens 9.3 (+1.6)

On who is the best PM

Trudeau 31.9 (+0.2)

Scheer 29.3 (-1.0)

Singh 9.4 (+1.5)

May (8.5 no change)

Trudeau's performance in somewhat addressing the race issue may have neutralized some of the bleeding from the potential Liberal vote. 

I don't want to overread this but Singh's rise above May may well be related to people's assessment of how well he dealt with this issue.

Scheer's drop may be related to his overplaying his hand in criticism and not being willing to address his own parties' problems on racism  or his own 2005 comments on same-sex marriage more vocally.

The Greens getting a greater share of the increase in voter support than the NDP, while Singh surpasses May may reflect the fact that on non-environmental issues the Greens are closer to the Liberals than the NDP are to the Liberals.

I have not been surprised that May has been ahead of Singh earlier because many voters barely knew Singh and the little media coverage he had got was mostly negative while May has been well-known for more than a decade.

Could this all be background noise yes? Could it all shift as issues and campaign ads possibly dominate subsequent days. However, I think there is the reasonable possibility of significant growth for the NDP and Singh if he continues to perform well and the party's campaign platform gets a decent hearing. 

NDPP

US Reaction/Coverage: Trump/Faux News/PBS

'The Five' Reacts to Trudeau's Blackface Photo Scandal

https://youtu.be/Jf9L6LGjaNg

"Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau forced to apologize after racist photos surface." [watch for 'Ottowa']

 

WATCH: "President Trump says he was hoping he wouldn't be asked about the Justin Trudeau blackface photos. 'I'm surprised and I was more surprised when I saw the number of times. I've always had a good relationship with Justin. I just don't know what to tell you..."

https://twitter.com/PnPCBC/status/1175073739794505728

 

PBS Newshour

https://youtu.be/4NT4BXVNOms

"Canadian prime minister Justin Trudeau is mired in scandal..."

WWWTT

Trumps reaction of surprise and unwillingness to discuss places Justin in a very very bad scenario!

Whoever wins this election, has to deal with Trump. Trump doesn't sound like he's going to have anything to do with Justin.

 

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WWWTT wrote:

Trumps reaction of surprise and unwillingness to discuss places Justin in a very very bad scenario!

Whoever wins this election, has to deal with Trump. Trump doesn't sound like he's going to have anything to do with Justin.

Are you kidding? Trump is laughing his ass off at Justin's embarrassment, but the last thing he cares about is racism. He's been a racist all his life, and he thinks there were "very fine people" in that Nazi rally in Charlottesville. If he now believes that Justin is a racist, he'll be more friendly not less.

WWWTT

Michael Moriarity wrote:

WWWTT wrote:

Trumps reaction of surprise and unwillingness to discuss places Justin in a very very bad scenario!

Whoever wins this election, has to deal with Trump. Trump doesn't sound like he's going to have anything to do with Justin.

Are you kidding? Trump is laughing his ass off at Justin's embarrassment, but the last thing he cares about is racism. He's been a racist all his life, and he thinks there were "very fine people" in that Nazi rally in Charlottesville. If he now believes that Justin is a racist, he'll be more friendly not less.

LOL!

I don't think you put much thought into your comment.

If an racist like Trump is trying to distance himself from Justin, then why is that?

Trump is a politician (US style) and he's playing the entire field. He's getting ready for 2020, his re election bid probably now includes shitting on Justin the racist so he looks good.

voice of the damned

Regardless of what Trump's general attitudes on race is, I really don't think there's much to analyze in his comments either way. The only thing he really said was that he was surprised. Well, I was, too.

KarlL

WWWTT wrote:

Here's a racist article from the faux socialist imperialist corporate media outlet the ts

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/elections/thomas-walkom-was-trudeaus-beha...

Thanks imperialist corporate media stooge white guy for telling us what is and isn't racism you fucking liberal hack!

Go back to your privelage white  lifestyle your accustumed to. We'll come knocking when we're not sure what racism is stooge!

 

I have no idea what the protocols are here and grant that the deplorable Trudeau photos and videos are turning up the temperature but your calling most everyone a racist should surely earn you a time-out from the moderator(s).  I seem to recall once having received a broadside from Meg B and I am pretty sure that it wasn't for signing off every post with accusations of racism and malice.

NorthReport

Obviously this is a Liberal setup

Trudeau can talk to Singh during the debates

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/singh-trudeau-meeting-blackface-1.5292001

NorthReport
nicky
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WWWTT

Here's a simple couple sentences I pulled out of the link you provided

Is he a racist? No. He is a fraud.

Andrew Coyne is himself a white privelaged racist! And He's commenting on another white privelaged racist. How fucking sweet is that?

The only thing Coyne did masterfully is get you and North Report to believe bullshit.

Your welcome!

nicky

Sorry W3T2

i didnt know you were a Justin groupie

Pondering

WWWTT wrote:

Here's a simple couple sentences I pulled out of the link you provided

Is he a racist? No. He is a fraud.

Andrew Coyne is himself a white privelaged racist! And He's commenting on another white privelaged racist. How fucking sweet is that?

The only thing Coyne did masterfully is get you and North Report to believe bullshit.

Your welcome!

So he is racist and a fraud. Coyne still nailed him.  That Coyne is no better doesn't make his comments concerning Trudeau inaccurate. 

NDPP

Cunningham: Canada's Furore Over Trudeau's Recent Problems is Only Skin Deep

https://on.rt.com/a22z

"The sound and fury over Trudeau's past indiscretions bears a distinct sense of contrived outrage and self-serving sanctimony. For on actually important issues of racism and human rights, the Canadian political and media establishment are all culpable of systematic denial...Canada's political class has never made proper amends for their huge crimes driven by their sense of racial superiority over the dark-skinned natives. This systematic policy of depleting the indigenous nations continues under all Canadian governments, including the doyen of liberal virtue, Justin Trudeau. One revealing indication is the way the Trudeau government is in favor of pushing through the giant 1,150 km Trans Mountain Pipeline...yet Trudeau is in favor of implementing the project in spite of his liberal rhetoric..."

Paladin1

What the hell, where are the Trudeau tears? He should have turned on the water works for this. I want a more emotional apology with some sobbing.

 

Now he can't even recall how many times he put on his brown face. I thought it was just at this Arabian night Gala- so he should have just put it on once, right? Sounds like it must be enough times for him to lose track.

I'm sure if an NDP, Conservative, Green party member was caught paradng around in Brownface they'd be able to just apologize and keep their job right?

NorthReport

Jenny Kwan: Pain of Trudeau’s Racist Blackface Felt in Vancouver

https://www.straight.com/news/1305361/jenny-kwan-pain-trudeaus-racist-blackface-felt-vancouver

NDPP

As world leaders gather for the 74th session of the UN General Assembly,  comes word that Justin Trudeau will not be attending. It is highly likely consequences of Trudeau's racist blackface antics may well include Canada's loss of the rotating UN Security Council seat it has been lusting and lobbying for.

NDPP
quizzical

NDPP wrote:

"Saw this on FB, can't resist..."

https://twitter.com/CarlZha/status/1175941474673782791

????? since when is using kids for mocking political purposes ok?

voice of the damned

quizzical wrote:

NDPP wrote:

"Saw this on FB, can't resist..."

https://twitter.com/CarlZha/status/1175941474673782791

????? since when is using kids for mocking political purposes ok?

 

Well, the only real-life kid mentioned in the satirical caption is Barron Trump. Not sure he was being mocked, just thrown in to explain the presence of a third person on the boat ride. The main joke being that the adult man looks like Pence, and the orientalist caricature looks like Trudeau in blackface.

(That's Jonny Quest, right? Bit before my time.)

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