Trudeau facing ethics and criminal questions over $900 million WE contract

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Pondering

We have an ethics commissioner investigating WE. Are the opposition parties saying that they don't trust the ethics commissioner? 

Creating the committee was a political campaign move to make it appear as though the Liberals were resisting investigation. 

Singh supporting the government on behalf of Canadians was a crock. Singh supported the government because the NDP isn't ready for another election and the Liberals look to gain seats, maybe a majority.

The NDP is playing politics too. They should have said they wanted to wait for the ethic commissioners findings or called for an election. 

Instead they are saying the government does not have the confidence of the NDP but they will support a corrupt party to save Canadians the trouble of voting in a pandemic, which the election commission has said they can handle no problem.

The NDP would have voted against Trudeau in a minute if they thought another election would deliver more seats to the NDP.

That is what makes voters cynical. We know full well that the primary goal of all the political parties is power. If the NDP thinks they have to go all the way to conservative to win that is what they would do. That space is fully occupied by the actual Conservatives and Liberals and some say the Greens. 

NDPP

Politricks? Most definitely, what else? However I doubt very much most Canadians wanted this government to fall. Especially as some rather important relief measures would have fallen/frozen in the process. And likely NDP numbers too.  Had there been an election call it might have returned an even stronger Liberal government, perhaps a majority. So on bourgeois balance it probably worked out for the best.

Pondering

Why isn't the NDP pushing for a better ethics commissioner if they don't think the current one is effective or doesn't have enough power? 

Off the top of my head the scandal is that Trudeau's mother and brother made thousands of dollars in speaker's fees for speeches done for WE. WE was granted the contract without open bidding. Politicians, the wealthy and corporations are wheeling and dealing? Pass the smelling salts. 

The scandal completely ignores the root issue which is who decided to administer the program through private contractors rather than through the civil servants already experienced in running summer job programs for youth? 

I guess it doesn't matter because the goal is make political points not do something to benefit Canadians. Voters know that it is all BS games the political parties play with each other. We don't get any say in what happens between elections.

In the last week, the last day even, voters get all the information they need to make a decision. There is no need to get bogged down with history to figure out that O'Toole is a tool, Trudeau is a tyoical rich boy, and the NDP is weak and can't win under Singh. All Trudeau has to do to win is wear pants and stand up. 

Just like in the throne speech Trudeau will offer Canadians a big fat nothing but more of the same. The Conservatives will wax indignation over the deficit along with loud accusations of corruption. Singh will say the social programs aren't good enouth. Canadians will choose mama bear not papa bear or baby bear. 

So you tell me. Why isn't the ethics commissioner facing questions concerning their failure?

I am remined of the saying "played a fiddel while Rome burned". Trudeau can be crooked to the core and still get elected. 

 

NDPP

I agree. More political theatre of the absurd complete with fiddle-diddle music, in concert with the well practiced Canucklhead facility for the willing suspension of disbelief while pretending it's democracy. For as long as there's still a few slops in our troughs, even if there's no longer much in many.  Just pretend more. Pretend better. We can do it.

jerrym

People still want answers about exactly what happened during the We scandal, not an election where the Liberals avoid answering any questions about what happened. 

Why is Prime Minister Justin Trudeau continually threatening Canadians with a general election in the middle of a global pandemic?

I think it is safe to say the majority of Canadians do not want to participate in a general election during the COVID-19 crisis.

However, Canadians do want to know the details behind the WE Charity scandal and the prime minister’s involvement in it, especially when WE Charity pulled its operations from Canada after questions were raised. ...

Again, most Canadians don’t want an election, they want answers to questions around the WE Charity scandal.

Can we not get answers to those questions without being threatened with a pandemic election?

https://globalnews.ca/news/7409090/we-charity-scandal-election/

Pondering

By making it all about Trudeau personally they reveal that this isn't about good government. The Conservatives want to maintain the power to do the same. Singh is just desperate to seem relevant and in so doing makes himself irrelevant. 

The NDP should be attacking the way government is run and proposing solutions. They should be talking about the way power has been pooling in the PMO's office. They should be talking about the side-lining of our representatives and even of ministers. 

I vaguely recall Harper making civil servants sign an oath of loyalty to the government rather than to the people of Canada. 

It seems the NDP tradition of focusing on the Liberals and leaving the Conservatives alone remains in place under Singh. 

NDPP

MP Joins Former Donor in Calling for RCMP Investigation into WE Charity Following Testimony (and vid)

"A former WE Charity donor is calling on the RCMP and the US Internal Revenue Service to investigate the charity's finances after learning a Kenyan school he was told he funded bore a plaque with the name of another donor..."

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/rcmp-investigation-we-charity-1.5931253

Michael Moriarity Michael Moriarity's picture

No surprise there. These guys have had the stink of snake oil on them since we first learned of their revolting business/charity. BTW, I hope that's a typo, and it's a plaque, not a plague that was visited upon the Kenyans. ;^)

NDPP

WE Freudian slipped. Thanks, corrected.

laine lowe laine lowe's picture

It a good one. One wonders how many times that plaque was sold.

NDPP

Kielburger brothers decline request to testify before 'partisan' Commons committee

https://www.nationalnewswatch.com/2021/03/03/kielburger-brothers-decline...

"WE Charity co-founders Craig and Marc Kielburger are declining requests to testify before two House of Commons committees. NDP MP Charlie Angus said Wednesday that he will confer with his fellow committee members about summoning the Kielburgers to testify. Angus noted that the committee has already had to summon two other executives in the WE organization to compel them to testify. A summons from a committee has legal force..."

cco

It's wonderful to have preemptively bribed your way out of prosecution, isn't it? I suppose they'll get a deferred prosecution agreement for contempt of parliament.

NDPP

Multiple WE Charity donors raised money for same borehole well in Kenya village

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/we-charity-save-the-children-donations-bo...

"A former WE employee who liased with outside fundraising groups told The Fifth Estate that they frequently heard complaints about the charity's fundraising tactics. Last week, a former WE Charity donor and Charlie Angus, an NDP MP, called for the RCMP to investigate..."

 

laine lowe laine lowe's picture

Like I said above, all these groups and individuals were sold the same plaque. What a scam. It's weird but I don't think scamming was top of mind when things got started but somehow greed stepped in and took over.

jerrym

Recognizing the avalanche of negative publicity they were receiving the Keilberger brothers have shifted from refusing to attend the ethics committee hearing on We to attending with lawyers. I suspect that what we will get is "On the advice of my lawyer I regret that I cannot answer that question." Even the Liberals supported the demand for their appearance because this part of the ethics committee work does not directly deal with questions about the Liberals involvement in the We scandal. 

After initially declining a committee appearance before the House of Commons ethics committee, WE Charity founders Craig and Marc Kielburger have proposed to attend with the presence of their legal representative.

In a letter to the clerk of the committee, obtained by CTV News, counsel William McDowell cites committee member and NDP MP Charlie Angus’ call for the RCMP and the Canada Revenue Agency (CRA) to investigate the charity’s financial dealings, as the cause for requiring legal presence at a future meeting.

"We wrote to you on March 3rd to raise the unfairness facing our clients should they appear before the committee and be questioned concerning the very matters which Mr. Angus has placed in the hands of the RCMP. We continue to have those concerns; indeed, a lawyer would be negligent simply to allow his clients to appear before the committee in these circumstances," he writes. ...

It comes after the committee voted unanimously Monday to summon the Kielburgers to testify in their ongoing study into "Questions of conflict of interest and lobbying in relation to pandemic spending." ...

Angus requested the RCMP and CRA investigations after a former donor, U.S. television journalist Reed Cowan, alleged that the plaque on a school he had funded in Kenya through the charity had been replaced with a plaque in the name of another donor.

WE said the incident was an unfortunate mistake; Angus called it proof of a "pattern of duplicitous relations with donors."

Cowan made the allegations during testimony in February to the ethics committee, which in turn had invited the Kielburger brothers to testify on Monday.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/kielburger-brothers-propose-committee-te...

Michael Moriarity Michael Moriarity's picture

Why should the committee even be bargaining with these little shits? It should just be "show up or be arrested". That's surely how they would treat any random Canadian without wealth and/or political influence.

NDPP

Kielburgers accuse MPs of holding political trial during testy committee hearing

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/we-charity-ethics-committee-1.5948050

",,,[NDP MP Charlie] Angus grilled the Kielburgers on why they never registered with the lobbying commissioner. The Kielburgers - who said they have not been contacted by the RCMP or CRA - indicated they were technically volunteers with WE Charity and that volunteers cannot register with the commissioner. 'Craig, we're no dummies here,' Angus replied. 'You guys run this organization. You're a volunteer that has a chief of staff who's paid for by the charity. That's ridiculous.'

Conservative MP Pierre Polievre, meanwhile, demanded a tally of how much WE had paid members of the Trudeau family for appearing at different events, as well as a total for expenses covered for these members. Craig Kielburger said it was about $425,000. Poilievre also pressed Craig Kielburger on why he sent an email to one of Trudeau's senior advisers, Ben Chin, in which the younger Kielburger brother appears to thank Chin for having helped shape the student-grant program. Craig said Chin had no direct involvement.

'You're in a lot of trouble here, my friend,' Poilievre responded. 'You're under oath. Perjury is a crime.' The brothers were also asked about allegations WE raised money by asking multiple donors to contribute to the same project..."

laine lowe laine lowe's picture

$425k is not chump change. That could buy tons of children's breakfasts in north end Winnipeg as well as contribute to many other after school programs.

Pondering

I am very offended by public personages who take payment for speaking on their behalf. Anyone in the Trudeau family should be donating their time if they believe in the cause enough to support it.

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