Unite the center-left, or Harper will rule until 2025 - 2 - this just makes no sense to think like this

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Unite the center-left, or Harper will rule until 2025 - 2 - this just makes no sense to think like this

I was at work today and really couldn't post. Seeing that this thread had been closed by Rebecca, I just had to extend it. What a bunch of Grumpy Gusses!

I just can't believe some of the stuff I have read today. I don't understand you guys! We had a great victory last night. There is no doubt Jack will meld this group into a powerful opposition and government in waiting. We all watched Jack, we all know this is true. No one could think Jack didn't have a plan in place, could you? I hope not.

Enough of this pessimisim. We know New Con stuff doesn't work; we have seen it with our own eyes. What's the matter, can't you believe what you see? So what, Harper has a majority. Big Deal!

Governments pass laws, and laws can be changed. We all know that Harper and his pals will screw things up. Rae, Trudeau, who cares? Four or five years from now, we'll be the government; likely a minority, but we'll be the governement, make no mistake about that.

Work now, prostlitize, talk to people. Get involved, be vocal. Start building now.

Enough of these endless, self flailing threads. We are New Dems. Lets start acting like it!

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By the way, here is an after thought. I am feeling like Nimitz, in Midway. "That would probably be the smart thing to do Joe". "But thing is I want that other Carrier !"

Aristotleded24

It can be helpful to remember that the Liberals basically gave Harper a free pass in the last Parliament, and think of it not necessarily as the Harper minority, but the Harper-Liberal Coalition. This coalition had 220 seats going into the election, and lost 19 of them. So in a sense, Harper actually lost seats this time around. Additionally, the main opposition to Harper is now the NDP, so the NDP will get much more media exposure and change to get its message out, and unlike the weak opposition the Liberals offered, maybe popular opposition may slow down a Harper agenda.

Ken Burch

If there were a temporary merged grouping, just for one election to bring in pr and then disband...I'd suggest calling it something like the Democracy Alliance or the Canadians For Democracy.  This avoids the "p word" and allows for the creation of an electoral coalition of equals.

You could it the Progressive Democratic Alliance, to revive Gordon Wilson's short-lived brand from B.C. provincial politics.

Business Leftist

"the NDP will get much more media exposure..."

 

I would like to think that...

 

Unfortunately the mainstream media in this country is full of people who stroke Harper's ego.

 

The Liberals and NDP had better join. There are too many important things that they agree on that are too important to this country: equal marriage rights, public healthcare, etc.

 

Life, the unive...

public healthcare  - ba ha ha ha.  You mean the Liberals that refused to enforce the Canada Health Act.  Please the zombie is down.  Don't let it get back up again.

Business Leftist

Arthur Cramer wrote:

I was at work today and really couldn't post. Seeing that this thread had been closed by Rebecca, I just had to extend it. What a bunch of Grumpy Gusses!

I just can't believe some of the stuff I have read today. I don't understand you guys! We had a great victory last night. There is no doubt Jack will meld this group into a powerful opposition and government in waiting. We all watched Jack, we all know this is true. No one could think Jack didn't have a plan in place, could you? I hope not.

Enough of this pessimisim. We know New Con stuff doesn't work; we have seen it with our own eyes. What's the matter, can't you believe what you see? So what, Harper has a majority. Big Deal!

Governments pass laws, and laws can be changed. We all know that Harper and his pals will screw things up. Rae, Trudeau, who cares? Four or five years from now, we'll be the government; likely a minority, but we'll be the governement, make no mistake about that.

Work now, prostlitize, talk to people. Get involved, be vocal. Start building now.

Enough of these endless, self flailing threads. We are New Dems. Lets start acting like it!

 

 

I respectfully disagree.

You have to look at it in context...The NDP's strength is now in Quebec. The Liberal-NDP vote splitting elected CONS in Toronto, Mississauga, Ajax, Barrie, Edmonton, Winnipeg, Vancouver, Surrey, and other areas...almost 10% of seats!

When you combine vote splitting on the centre-left, as well as the fact that the media in this country paints NDPers as Soviet Socialists (The Province newspaper in Vancouver called the newly elected NDP leader in BC a "Stalinist"), the emergence of Fox News north, the anti-immigrant fear mongering as well as the "Uncle Toms" working the ethnic community for the CONS, the NDP and Liberals have an uphill climb, despite who is in opposition.

The fact that Canadians can elect a dolt like Harper 3 times tells me that we can't trust any of our assumptions about the electorate.

 

Hurtin Albertan

The key here is the economy.  If it tanks the Conservatives will lose big the next election.  If it does well they will take all the credit, maybe they stay in power maybe not.  I do believe Harper will go out on a crest and will not take them into the next election either way.  The NDP has a lot to lose in the next election if they do not perform in Opposition.

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uh...no...merger

Business Leftist

France, New Zealand, the UK all governed by the right. The US Congress is Republican. Australia's Labour PM facing backlash from Unions opposing the Carbon Tax.

And now Canada has fallen as the left is fractured and we have 5 years of a US clone.

 

Sad.

Business Leftist

Hurtin Albertan wrote:

The key here is the economy.  If it tanks the Conservatives will lose big the next election.  If it does well they will take all the credit, maybe they stay in power maybe not.  I do believe Harper will go out on a crest and will not take them into the next election either way.  The NDP has a lot to lose in the next election if they do not perform in Opposition.

Remember...Bush got re-elected in 2004. Harper's been re-elected twice.

 

We could have 50% unemployment. The majority of voters will say "What the hell, there's hockey on TV, beer in the fridge, let's keep the status quo..."

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You guys are a bunch of defeatists! Don't you get it? This is a sea-change.

All we have to do is rise to the opportunity. We have been given the chance we have always wanted. Lets roll up our sleeves and get the job done. I read all of the comments above. And I am sorry business leftist, where were you before the election? Nobody here wants a merger with the Libs. Look at Ontario, these so called progressive Libs voted with the Tories. How can anyone think that we would have anything in common with the Libs?

No way, if you want a alternative to Harper, you can come to us. The days of deals is done.

JeffWells

No merger.

The right was divided because Reformers split from PCs. The left was divided because the Liberals were always in the superior position to the NDP, and were able to triangulate progressive votes away from it on account of that advantage. That advantage is gone. It's only Liberals who want to claim it from us now by "merger."

 

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@Jeff Wells:

Great comment!

knownothing knownothing's picture

This was a great election. Harper already had a majority because the Liberals supported him on everything and it is just possible he will move more to the center but I doubt itand either way we are going to kick his ass next election

adma

Frankly, I'm wondering if the big Quebec scoop-up is a double-edged sword--or in the process of being set up as such.  After all, consider what, in media and over the tweeting grapevine and whatever else, has quickly become the favourite visual meme for the NDP's Official Opposition Caucus...

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So lets see... the Lib/Con coalition of 219 seats was reduced to a Con/Lib coalition of 201... well I guess it is progress, but I wish things would progress more quickly.

Thanks for putting that into context knownothing.

Business Leftist

JeffWells wrote:

No merger.

The right was divided because Reformers split from PCs. The left was divided because the Liberals were always in the superior position to the NDP, and were able to triangulate progressive votes away from it on account of that advantage. That advantage is gone. It's only Liberals who want to claim it from us now by "merger."

 

I'm not saying a simple "merger" is the answer. But if the parties joined together, they would be able to stop the vote split, especially in urban ridings. To suggest that the Liberal party is full of redneck right wingers because of their strategic error of voting for Conservative bills to avoid election is just plain ignorant.

Most Liberals, and a huge chunk of their core support feel at home in the NDP. I'm from BC. Many Fed Libs support the NDP provincially...even when the Fed Libs had more seats out here.

We need a single, progressive voice. You may not feel the urgency now, But when we have legislation threatning abortion rights and gay rights and sending our young people into useless wars, then you will.

And if there's a lot of "blue" Liberals? Good. Let them head over to Harper.

klexo

Arthur Cramer wrote:

Nobody here wants a merger with the Libs. Look at Ontario, these so called progressive Libs voted with the Tories. How can anyone think that we would have anything in common with the Libs?

No way, if you want a alternative to Harper, you can come to us. The days of deals is done.

Actually Arthur, you are wrong on a few things here:

some people here do want to discuss the ramifications of a merger and are open to the idea;  

progressive liberals voted in large numbers for the new dems this time -- you should consider being more welcoming;

we share with the Libs a history of cooperating on passing progressive legislation. 

 

klexo

And the mooting of merger is not `defeatist`, it is about winning, really winning, not just symbolically. 

Life, the unive...

Yeah, I actually think her election is something to celebrate not be embarassed by.  She is obviously well-balanced and lord knows we could use more MPs like that in the House regardless of party.

adma

KenS wrote:

Thank's for posting Ellen Brosseau's picture. I havent seen it for a couple days, and with all the other goings on, I forget how warm and proud her picture makes me feel.

Actually, I've found it hard to *escape* over the past couple of days, whether glimpsed on office-lobby CP24 or otherwise--and framed more as a Snooki-esque punchline than as something to feel "warm and proud" over...

KenS

Thank's for posting Ellen Brosseau's picture. I havent seen it for a couple days, and with all the other goings on, I forget how warm and proud her picture makes me feel.

And all you URGENTLY concerned folks don't worry: you aren't the only ones who have noticed that a Caucus full of Quebec rookies is going to turn up plenty of bloopers. But if there are any more problems like that, send them along.

KenS

Since I work outside and dont watch TV, I didnt see any of that. But I knew it was aware it was out there, and was expressing enjoyment of the irony.

Whats a CP24 and a Snooki?

My cultural education is lacking without kids around on a daily basis. CP24s and Snookis might not be something aimed at kids. But kids can keep you updated pretty well on all the zones of popular culture.

klexo

The biographies of our successful candidates in PQ are the best argument I have seen yet for dismissing out of hand the NDP cozying up to the Libs.

Doing so would be seen as a massive betrayal of the collective impulse that elected these wonderful folks. 

 

JeffWells

Quite so, klexo.

adma
Arthur Cramer Arthur Cramer's picture

@klexo:

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Actually Arthur, you are wrong on a few things here:

some people here do want to discuss the ramifications of a merger and are open to the idea;  

progressive liberals voted in large numbers for the new dems this time -- you should consider being more welcoming;

we share with the Libs a history of cooperating on passing progressive legislation"

 

Okay, I can accept that there were Libs who voted New Dem. But, I am 53 and a real cynic. For me the sticking point still is how "progressive Libs" could support a government that gave Canadians the Paul Martin Budget, GST walk back, and cuts to EI, to name just a few things. For my those are really hard to overlook. I don't know how anyone could see those kind of things happen and not ask themselves what they were doing supporting a political party that would do that. It goes entirely against what I believe.

I am sorry, but I am suspicious. It is really hard for me to find it in myself to want to trust "progressives" who support harmfull and regressive legislation of that kind. So, I am really wary about the idea of a merger if the things I believe are representative of the New Dems are lost in some kind of new hybrid union, meeting of minds. My mom and dad would never have gone along with those kind of things, and neither would have Davie Orlikow, or David Lewis, or of course, Tommy Douglas.

Why is wanting to support really people oriented legislative agendas of this kind considered as so outside the realm of what is acceptable, or beyond the expectation that reasonably minded people can be convinced to support these kinds of things? I simply don't understand why this is such an ongoing struggle. It seems entirely obvious to me that these are what left leaning people should naturally believe.

Given the above, honestly, that is why I have so much trouble in not being suspicious or distrustful of talk of a merger. I don't want to be a large L Liberal. I am a New Democrat. Why should my wanting to be a New Democrat be such a problem? Do I have to give up my party by stealth or otherwise to win over enough people to move public opinion in such a way that change happens?

I don't want to belong to another Liberal party. Frankly, if there was no New Democratic Party, I can tell you that I know both my wife and I would simply stop voting.

So Klexo, what is you want? What do you expect me to give up? What will you give up. Untill I know what is being asked, how can I make any kind of decision. In all of my time in the service, I never asked my "men", to do something without providing some kind of explanation of why we were doing things. Why do I know, especially as a civillian, have to be willing to accept doing something when I am not sure what is being asked. It's like buying a car sight unseen.

Business Leftist

knownothing wrote:

This was a great election. Harper already had a majority because the Liberals supported him on everything and it is just possible he will move more to the center but I doubt itand either way we are going to kick his ass next election

 

How can anyone call this a great election? Jack Layton is a wonderful man with a social conscience like no other leader in our political landscape...but what will he do in Stornoway? Harper's policies under a majority over 5 years will hurt women, children, single mothers, students, LGBT people, working families, immigrants and unions...so how can you celebrate those results if you are progressive??? Unless you work in the banking or prison industry, or fly a fighter jet...

If you think Harper is moving to the centre I have a bridge to sell you...

The Reform party has a majorty. This is something 23 years in the making. They will not squander it.

 

Business Leftist

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfGB855SQ1A
Tommy Douglas predicted it: A merger and a 2 party system.
The man was a genius.

Doug

Life, the universe, everything wrote:

Yeah, I actually think her election is something to celebrate not be embarassed by.  She is obviously well-balanced and lord knows we could use more MPs like that in the House regardless of party.

 

Indeed. If she's the biggest problem the new NDP caucus has they can consider themselves lucky.

Doug

Business Leftist wrote:

How can anyone call this a great election? Jack Layton is a wonderful man with a social conscience like no other leader in our political landscape...but what will he do in Stornoway? Harper's policies under a majority over 5 years will hurt women, children, single mothers, students, LGBT people, working families, immigrants and unions...so how can you celebrate those results if you are progressive??? 

 

It's the best result that could be hoped for with 45% of English Canada bound and determined to vote Conservative and that will probably be the case until that government defeats itself. That's usually how change happens in Canada.

Malcolm Malcolm's picture

klexo wrote:
 

progressive liberals voted in large numbers for the new dems this time -- you should consider being more welcoming;

 

I am quite happy to welcome progressive voters who have previously voted Liberal who would like to join the New emocratic Party.

I am quite happy to welcome individual Liberal politicians and political operatives who would like to join the New Democratic Party.

I have no interest in amalgamating the New Democratic Party with the stinking corpse of an organized criminal conspiracy.

Aristotleded24

Business Leftist wrote:
Harper's policies under a majority over 5 years will hurt women, children, single mothers, students, LGBT people, working families, immigrants and unions...so how can you celebrate those results if you are progressive??? Unless you work in the banking or prison industry, or fly a fighter jet...

Chretien paved the way by not seriously turning back on the damage Mulroney did to the country. Pretty much all of these things also happened under his watch. Liberals did not enact national child care. Liberals changed the rules to the EI system to the detriment of working people, some of whom would have included single mothers. Liberals cut funding to universities, allowing tuitions to skyrocket. Liberals dragged their feet on implementing LGBT rights, and only after the courts forced them to. Liberals voted agaisnt federal anti-scab legislation. Liberals implemented a landing fee for immigrants. Harper actually celebrated the direction the Liberal party was moving, and the fact that it was done under pressure from Reform. You're absolutely right, progressives cannot celebrate any of these things having happened.

ReeferMadness

Arthur Cramer wrote:

Enough of this pessimisim. We know New Con stuff doesn't work; we have seen it with our own eyes. What's the matter, can't you believe what you see? So what, Harper has a majority. Big Deal!

Governments pass laws, and laws can be changed. We all know that Harper and his pals will screw things up. Rae, Trudeau, who cares? Four or five years from now, we'll be the government; likely a minority, but we'll be the governement, make no mistake about that.

Goofy shit like this just pisses me off!  Sure, Harper can wreck the country.  But don't worry, be happy 'cause we got more seats than the Liberals.  You dippers are dreaming in fucking technicolor if you think you're forming the next government.  Liberals switched their votes TO HARPER to prevent you from forming a government.  And in doing so, they helped give him a majority.   Try to focus long enough to get that.  The NDP brand doesn't play well in this country.  More people are scared of you forming a government than are scared of Harper.

Gods sakes people, pay attention!!  And try to get in touch with reality.

observer521

Been reading a lot of Lib writing, and they want to rebuild the Libs.

NDP is in euphoria, and consumed with their own situation. They are trying to make themselves believe they can win a majority next time.

The ugly reality, is that Harper is going to rule Canada with an iron fist, covered up by the media for 2-3 majorities, since the center vote is goign to be split.

Even Rex Murphy is doing soft-propaganda for Harper. You can see the media-elites sucking up to Harper now, they want to keep their jobs. Just watch the CBC start to go soft on Harper, as they want to keep their jobs.

And Harper will run his programs, some in our face, many others in secret. The RCMP will be his personal force for political dirty tricks.

Sadly, I predict Harper is going to run Canada as he wants for probably 3 mandates, as those guys know how to control the media. They will re-engineer Canada with 1000 cuts, and the media will be his cheerleader.

The Joe Average voter won't know what's happened until its too late. You see that grin on Harpers face? He knows power is like capital, once you have it, and know how to use it, its hard to lose it.

Unless there is one clear choice for center politics, then Harper wins. He has it locked up.

observer521

(for reference, here is the link to the orginal thread with over 100 posts, not sure why it was closed??)

Unite the center-left, or Harper will rule until 2025

http://rabble.ca/babble/canadian-politics/unite-center-left-or-harper-wi...

observer521

One thing I read in Chomsky years ago, was the extent of being an "intellectual" in the political sphere is based on being the most profilgate  at lying.

This has now come to Canada, full on. The soft-propagandists, as well as hard propagandists (professional liars) for the neo-con agenda have taken over. The most dangerous are the soft-propagandists, who sound reasonable.

It makes one think of the book POWER by John K Galbraith, a great book. But his idea is that right-wing power wins, as basically it is more rigid and follows orders. Whereas the left, is more democratic and diffuse, thus its like herding cats.

I don't see any signals coming out from the center-left about uniting to defeat Harper. None. I see those professionals in the center-left, more concerned with their own situation.

I hope I am wrong, but I see Harper in charge for easily 15 years, unless someone can do something. On top of this, any opponent that comes up against Harper, is going to have the defacto "secret police" of Canada turn up every single thing they ever did. And believe it, that will be used against them.

Other than the G20 fascist nightmare in our backyard, this is the worst day for being a Canadian. Now Harper will carry out his agenda, one step at a time, using the media to cover most of it up.

Harper will continue to divide and conquer, its the oldest strategy, and it works.

 

Vansterdam Kid

adma wrote:

Frankly, I'm wondering if the big Quebec scoop-up is a double-edged sword--or in the process of being set up as such.  After all, consider what, in media and over the tweeting grapevine and whatever else, has quickly become the favourite visual meme for the NDP's Official Opposition Caucus...

I agree that it's absurd that a nearly unilingual anglophone could get elected in a nearly 100% francophone riding. But you know, the people of the riding knew the facts before the election and could've voted for someone else. Vancouver-Kingsway used to elect a Liberal MP that was routinely voted "worst orator" in the house and clearly struggled to be intelligible in the English language. So to be honest it's about time that the absurd works in the favour of the left, since we get people who've actually done a lot of ridiculous, criminal and incompetent things become Conservative or Liberal MPs. She hasn't done any of those things.

Besides, I can't help but get a sense of deja vu when hearing people talk about Brousseau. It has a certain Belinda Stronach quality to it, like she's bound to be some sort of blonde 'airhead' or something. It's a little unseemly. I'm not saying you're saying this, I just think it's something that's been perpetuated when people constantly show that picture of her.

I kind of like the fact that there will be a decent crop of 20 to 30 year olds on the NDP benches. Too often politicians have basically forgotten what it's like to be young. And to be perfectly honest, despite how shallow this sounds I think having a strong contingent of young and attractive candidates at least gets people to turn heads and look at the party. In today's short attention span world image matters and having attractive MP's helps to portray a "fresh" and "innovative" image even if that's extremely shallow.

Besides why should we assume these people will fail? It seems as if the party luminaries are taking their political education very seriously and it's about time some regular people get in there and shake things up. So long as they're intelligent and hard working I don't have a problem with it. Unless someone can point to specific failures on their parts I don't have a problem with them, especially seeing as the people of their riding's voted for them. In fact outsiders are probably less likely to be corrupt and will take a lot longer to be corrupted than people who've been elected for a long time and become entitled to their entitlements.

JKR

Majority Conservative governments "as far as the eye can see" is not inevitable. There's a very good chance that the Conservatives will not be able to win a majority in 2015. Almost everything went the Conservatives way this election, so a repeat is not a certainty by any means. I think there's probably something like an 85% chance that the next parliament will produce a minority or coalition government. Considering that the Conservatives hardly ever go above 40%, the Conservatives should consider themselves very lucky to have a obtained a majority with under 40% of the vote.  The Conservatives are only the second government ever to get a majority with under 40% of the vote. (Chretien's 1997 majority is the only other case.) The vote splits in this election worked exactly in favour of the Conservatives and that will not likely replicate in 2015.

The political landscape in 2015 will be different and many of the differences then will work against the Conservatives. The biggest hurdle the Conservatives will likely face in 2015 is that they will no longer have an unpopular McGuinty government to juxtapose themselves against in Ontario. In all likelyhood by then a right-wing Hudak government will hurt the Conservatives chances of winning a huge amount of seats in Ontario via a fake FPTP majority. And in all likelyhood by 2015 the Liberals will have a more popular leader that will also increase the chances of Canada returning to minority territory. So the chances of a Layton led minority in 2015 is actualy pretty good.

One huge silver lining from this election is that support for PR has likely increased exponentially within the BQ and federal Liberals. Both parties have now suffered unfarly because of FPTP and both are much more likely now to support electoral reform. Unlike the past,  PR/Fair voting now  works in favor of the the Liberals and BQ. If they don't support electoral reform now, they both deserve to be destroyed by FPTP. This election has forced the Liberals and BQ to discover the hard way, like the NDP has, how FPTP unfairly distorts democracy. So PR has been given a huge boost by this election and this will greatly benefit Canada in the long-run. It would seem that the Liberals, BQ, and many progressives had to learn the hard way how undemocratic and unfair FPTP is. This election has been a learning moment in favour of fair voting. After this election, the NDP, Liberals, BQ, and Greens should all strongly support PR/Fair voting.

My crystal ball tells me that the next parliament in 2015 will produce a minority parliament that will see the NDP, Liberals, BQ, and, Greens finally establish PR. And if they don't support PR/fair voting whole heartedly, they will have no reason to complain about the Conservatives winning unfair fake FPTP majorities.

The Conservative's fake FPTP majority should make it much clearer to one and all why FPTP must be replaced ASAP.

I also have a hunch that the Liberals will choose Carolyn Bennett to be their next leader. She supports electoral reform. Being a doctor she seems to know what kind of medicine Canada's political system needs.

I also think that after the BQ's experience in this election and with the growth of Quebec Solidaire, a PQ provincial government will likely implement PR/fair voting in Quebec.

And here in BC, I wouldn't be surprised if a provincial NDP government implements MMP. The NDP here has fair voting -MMP in their platform and an election is likely to take place here this year or next.

With parties now winning majority governments with less then 40% of the vote, and minority governmets and coalition governments possibly forming with under 30% of the vote, it is getting much more likely that Canada will implement PR.

observer521

Well, I see very dark days ahead. The National Post front-page is a mockery of the Que NDP kids. They will make mincemeat of those kids, and they started already. Shooting fish in a barrell, its a free gift for Harper. Some of the Que NDP kids were formerly "communist", so they will go to town with that.

Meanwhile, Harper cronies are collecting MILLIONS each, in social-welfare payments from Canada. http://www.vancouversun.com/news/decision-canada/Outgoing+pensions+money...

The left has no media power anymore, its all neo-con.

Makes you wonder if both sides, all sides, are playing the public for chumps, mainly out of their own self-interest, and their party interest.

If the center-left doesn't stand up now, then they are going to be crushed and chipped away at, a little more each year. Every tool used by progressives will be starved or shut-down.

And if the center-left refuses to offer "tax breaks" to regular people, they will never win. The psychology of the mass voter is pretty basic, that is reality.

observer521

oo, all the papers are following the new propaganda points...Harper is mainstream now...

Its all lies of course, he hasn;t done anything yet.

they will hammer that meme, while Harper does his deeds behind a screen of fog.

adma

observer521 wrote:

Well, I see very dark days ahead. The National Post front-page is a mockery of the Que NDP kids.

And they have Layton turning his head t/w Brouseeau, if that's driving home a point they're trying to make...

observer521

They are smart propagandists, they know first impressions count, so they will mock the NDP for now, and destroy them just enough to keep them low, but not too low.

Believe it, Fantino cop buddies have opened dirty tricks files on all those people already. Its a nightmare, I hope the civil society of Canada can wake up.

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@reefer madness:

Your comment is just silly. Read mine again. You obviously don't understand it.

NDPMajority

Life, the universe, everything wrote:

Yeah, I actually think her election is something to celebrate not be embarassed by.  She is obviously well-balanced and lord knows we could use more MPs like that in the House regardless of party.

Normally, it would be, and it would have been awesome if she won somewhere close to Ottawa or even on Montreal Island, but I fail to see how having an urban Anglophone from Ontario representing a rural Quebec riding does any favour to our long-term credibility there. Thankfully, we have plenty of awesome new MPs who do. :-)

And either way, I'd take a Quebec represented by 75 Ruth Ellen Brosseaus if its keeps the Alfonso Gaglianos and the Andre Arthurs out of office.

SRB

I wish people would just quit talking about her until she has the chance to prove herself a bit.  She must be so intimidated by all the negative press coverage. 

The NDP really needs to promote all its new candidates as strongly as it can.   Those that are ready, like Francoise Boivin etc, should be sent out to talk to the media along with Mulcair.

Hopefully the NDP will come up with some new and innovative ideas to showcase these new MPs.  Maybe they could have a "youth caucus" or something like it.

 

Unionist

Life, the universe, everything wrote:

Yeah, I actually think her election is something to celebrate not be embarassed by.  She is obviously well-balanced and lord knows we could use more MPs like that in the House regardless of party.

Bravo, Life, I fully agree - and I think I was one of the few here supporting Ruth Ellen before the election. There's a new wind blowing. If the only ones disturbed by it are a few non-Quebeckers and the National Post, I think we're on to a good thing.

The NDP has an opportunity like never before. Lord only knows how they're going to manage it. Let's help them work it out. "Centre-left" mergers, I think, can be ruled out right off the bat. I do believe that Canadians have just voted against the "centre".

 

janfromthebruce

I think we need a youth caucas of the NPD - and show case those young Canadians who want to make a difference for Canada. And they can become popular speakers on university/college/high school campus clubs in engaging young Canadians in politics. I don't think they are going to be intimidated - they know bull crap when they see it & hear it!

Life, the unive...

I have to say I am getting a little effin tired of all these comments about the sky is falling because Harper has a majority as if the world was about to end.  I'm getting old now.  I have been here many times before.  Yes there will be tough times ahead and we will see things happen we will hate.  But this was the decision of Canadians under our antiquated electoral decision.  Pissing and moaning is not going to change a single damn thing.  

This is also a historic opportunity.  Harper is going to screw over a lot of people.  In four years time we (and by that I mean progressives - not just New Democrats) will have an opportunity to reverse that by defeating the Conservatives and replacing it with a new government.   Canada will still be here, we will have problems to deal with, but baring a huge meteor our country will still exist.  We have to begin organizing now.  We need, under our system, to convince about 10 % of Conservative voters, or about 12% of non-voters that there is a prudent, practical, progressive alternative that could govern in their interests.  This project looms largest in Ontario based on the results, but it is needed across the country.  That's it.  It isn't a huge task and we will be helped every day by an arrogant government that will undermine what most Canadians believe in.  In four years the average person will be hurting even more than they are now, seniors will be in worse shape and young people will find it harder to get the education and training they need.  It is our responsibility if we believe in what we say to get out there and hit the bricks -resisting this government when necessary, but more importantly talking to people in a positive way about an alternative.  Over the top histronics will only push people to Harper - this election proves that.

Quit whining - we have been here before- and over your life we will undoubtedly be here again- but it is how we react that matters.  If we cover our heads and go hide for 4 years we will get what we deserve.  We build a coaltion to defeat Harper one citizen at a time.  Wasting time talking about mergers only sets us back.  Canadians have spoken- at this point in our history they have said that they NDP is the vehicle they trust most to take on the Conservatives.   We should respect that and begin the building process to defeat them in 4 years time.  Quit wasting time- the clock is ticking.

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http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/second-reading/andrew-steel...

"Today, the Conservatives can govern virtually without restraint for five years.

During that period, there will  be at least four Supreme Court appointments, four or five budgets, countless laws passed, and a renegotiation of health-care funding with the provinces. There could be decisions to go to war, or invoke the Emergencies Act, or enter into a joint security perimeter with the United States, or approve free trade with China or India."

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