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adma

edmundoconnor wrote:

Long term musing: Ford goes for mayor. Ford loses. Ford becomes the next CPC candidate in Etobicoke Lakeshore.

Is it so impossible?

Why Etobicoke Lakeshore?  It's not his constituency--besides, he's too crude for the Kingsway types, the Patrick Boyer types, etc.

Etobicoke Centre (where he actually lives, where the long-term Tory history is actually stronger, and which his father once represented in part provincially) or Etobicoke North (which--at least in old boundaries--is his present municipal turf in part, and probably most disposed to his variety of "low Toryism") are more likely.

edmundoconnor

You've got a good point about Etobicoke Lakeshore. In any case, Patrick Boyer has got the lock on the Tory nomination for forever, and an interloper like Ford would be chased north of Dundas.

While he'd have a better shot at Etobicoke Centre, Axel Kuhn has a nice little rivalry going with Boris Wrzesnwskyj and he's not going to give that up any time soon. Kuhn can point that he's narrowed the gap with Boris to just over 10% last time and send Ford on his way.

Etobicoke North would seem to offer the most prospects for Ford, with a revolving door of Tory candidates in the last few elections and thus no established candidate angry at an interloper. However, the riding has changed substantially even since Doug Ford's time. The Liberals were able to very effectively get out the vote (Italians, Ukranians, Punjabis, etc.) last time around even with a parachute candidate like Kirsty Duncan, and she's continuing the tradition of building strong links with these communities. Ford would grab a large share of soft Tories, but I'm guessing he'd turn off as many as he'd win over.

Thinking upon it, he'd get hammered anywhere in Etobicoke, really. The Liberals are just too strong.

Stockholm

I don't think the federal (or provincial) Tories would touch Rob Ford with a ten foot pole. With all his bigoted comments and past embarrassments - he would be bad for their image nationwide and it would all get dredged up.

adma

edmundoconnor wrote:
Etobicoke North would seem to offer the most prospects for Ford, with a revolving door of Tory candidates in the last few elections and thus no established candidate angry at an interloper. However, the riding has changed substantially even since Doug Ford's time. The Liberals were able to very effectively get out the vote (Italians, Ukranians, Punjabis, etc.) last time around even with a parachute candidate like Kirsty Duncan, and she's continuing the tradition of building strong links with these communities. Ford would grab a large share of soft Tories, but I'm guessing he'd turn off as many as he'd win over.

Though considering the recent record (and even accounting for Duncan's parachute stigma), for CPC to hit the 30% mark last time was quite good, indeed--and remember how Rob Ford's been surprisingly solidly reelected twice over in spite of the demographic shift.  True, municipal turnout tends to be miserable and incumbent-favouring via autopilot; but still, I suspect that however ironic this may sound, Ford's got a certain anti-elite draw among the "little guy" ethnic class as well.  Maybe not enough to win; but enough to hope, however quixotically.

Look at it this way: he'd turn off as many as he'd win over anywhere, at least within the 416.  But he has the most "chance" (of bearing the standard, if not of winning) wherever there's the fewest pointy-headed elites.  Kind of analogous to the old Communist/National Front electoral synergy within inpoverished Parisian suburbs...

aka Mycroft

The federal Tories might not touch Ford but I think the provincial Tories are desperate enough to let him hop on board. I mean, how could they turn down Ford when they already have Randy Hillier in caucus?

miles

aka the prov pcs had fords father as an mpp so i guess this would be a 2nd generaton mpp sort of like others who have graced the leg

Lord Palmerston

adma wrote:
Though considering the recent record (and even accounting for Duncan's parachute stigma), for CPC to hit the 30% mark last time was quite good, indeed--and remember how Rob Ford's been surprisingly solidly reelected twice over in spite of the demographic shift.  True, municipal turnout tends to be miserable and incumbent-favouring via autopilot; but still, I suspect that however ironic this may sound, Ford's got a certain anti-elite draw among the "little guy" ethnic class as well.  Maybe not enough to win; but enough to hope, however quixotically.

Look at it this way: he'd turn off as many as he'd win over anywhere, at least within the 416.  But he has the most "chance" (of bearing the standard, if not of winning) wherever there's the fewest pointy-headed elites.  Kind of analogous to the old Communist/National Front electoral synergy within inpoverished Parisian suburbs...

I don't understand why "Italians and Ukrainians" are included as part of the demographic changes that supposedly hurt Rob Ford and the Conservatives, given that those communities have lived in Etobicoke long before Rob Ford was first elected to office.

And I agree that Etobicoke North probably has more of the "Toronto Sun" demographic than anywhere else in the 416 at this point (Sue Ann Levy's Sun affiliation probably made her too "low Tory" for the burghers of St. Paul's).

Lord Palmerston

aka Mycroft wrote:

The federal Tories might not touch Ford but I think the provincial Tories are desperate enough to let him hop on board. I mean, how could they turn down Ford when they already have Randy Hillier in caucus?

If anything it seems the Hudak Tories are even more "Rush Limbaugh-esque" than the Harris Tories were, and certainly more than their federal counterparts.  Rob Ford would fit right in.  He is our very own Glenn Beck.

miles

LP i think that Hudak is actually dalton light.  how the times have changed dalton was once blue light. he is now more blue than the blues.  he implements legislation for  social policy but then does not fund them. maybe just maybe a few more fords from the right and kormoses from the left could keep dalton honest.

 

no keep ford at city hall. he will be a great member of team smitherman

edmundoconnor

Lord Palmerston wrote:

 

I don't understand why "Italians and Ukrainians" are included as part of the demographic changes that supposedly hurt Rob Ford and the Conservatives, given that those communities have lived in Etobicoke long before Rob Ford was first elected to office.

And I agree that Etobicoke North probably has more of the "Toronto Sun" demographic than anywhere else in the 416 at this point (Sue Ann Levy's Sun affiliation probably made her too "low Tory" for the burghers of St. Paul's).

I should clarify. There have been significant demographic changes in the riding (a large number of Somalis in the southern part, for example) but no-one has been able to reel these new ethnic groups in and get them to vote for them en masse (or vote at all, in some cases). At least, not yet.

The Italians and Ukranians have been there for a long time, but the Liberals have become experts at making links with these communities, and many voters in the riding vote Liberal without having to even think twice about it. While this could well hurt Ford, even the make-up of the established areas of the riding is changing, as parents either die or move into retirement homes. It`s not the factor it was, but it could still hurt him.

And not to get too off-off topic, but I think there hasn`t been a riding created that Sue-Ann could have won. While her low Toryism would have got applause in a relatively conservative riding like Etobicoke North, some eyebrows would have been raised when they heard mention of her wife …

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He's been around seemingly forever, he's about 5'2" and has an Italian accent and doesn't have that much profile across the city - whether we like it or not these are things that work against someone as a candidate.

Yes, it would seem that in "canada's most multi-cultural city" you still must be sufficiantly waspy with acceptable Imperial English to be considered "electable" as mayor.

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I  don't agree with the 'waspy' at all, but fluent command of the english language is a preference on my part. It's not my primary concern, but all else being equal, I would take it into consideration. Is there a problem with this?

kitest

Sorry to track back to the Ward 27 race, but wanted to share the presser for another new face in the race to replace Rae. Joel is a good friend, a stalwart in the community and one I would consider to be a pretty strong contender in this busy race

 
 
Joel Dick announces his candidacy for Ward 27 Councillor Position

Toronto... Joel Dick has filed his nomination papers for the position of city councillor for Ward 27 in the upcoming municipal election.

 "The opportunity to speak to the wide range of serious issues facing Toronto and Ward 27 in the next years influenced my decision," stated Joel, a former school board trustee candidate. "There is much that I can do to continue Kyle Ray's strong advocacy for our community. As a council, we must be focussed on decisions that will determine the fiscal and social health of the City of Toronto in the years ahead. 

Joel, active in the community, has volunteered with many groups including Lawyers Feed the Hungry, Our Homes (a group dedicated to providing affordable housing), Downtown Legal Services (the University of Toronto poverty law clinic), and the Moss Park Children's Hockey League. As well, he has served as an adjudicator on the Toronto Licensing Tribunal.

                                        

In addition to his Bachelor of Arts and law degrees, Joel also holds two Masters degrees: a Master of Arts in International Relations from the University of Toronto and a Master of Arts degree in Peace Studies from AMBS in Indiana. Joel, a lawyer who practices civil litigation, has lived in the ward for 10 years.

Doug
Stockholm

These TTC workers have got to be NUTS? All this will accomplish is make the public even angrier at them and probably lead to the election of a municipal administration that is even more hostile and in any case I really don't see what the justification for it is? Who would this "work to rule" campaign be directed at? The public for daring to express any dissatisfaction? The TTC for daring to say that customer service could be better? Who?

I think that if the TTC workers start to "work to rule" a lot of people's reaction will be "isn't that what they do all the time anyways? what difference will it make?"

I suppose that the only possible good that can come of this (and this is 1% chance of happening) is if Giambrone goes on the attack against the TTC workers union for suggesting something so absurd - and it gives him his "Sister Souljah" moment and gets to show that he is willing to stand up to the union if needs be.

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I  don't agree with the 'waspy' at all, but fluent command of the english language is a preference on my part. It's not my primary concern, but all else being equal, I would take it into consideration. Is there a problem with this?

Joe has an accent. As do most people that Anglophones quickly dismiss as not having "fluent command of the english langauge".

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I suppose that the only possible good that can come of this (and this is 1% chance of happening) is if Giambrone goes on the attack against the TTC workers union for suggesting something so absurd - and it gives him his "Sister Souljah" moment and gets to show that he is willing to stand up to the union if needs be.

The union has nothing to do with this action. It seems to be the initiative of some transit operators. Those workers might not have the election of your favored brand of candidate for mayor in mind as their primary concern. Typical of your ilk of NDPer, you take labour's support for granted while backhanding them under your breath to 'broaden the tent'.

I can only imagine the abuse that TTC employes have been taking from a self-rightous, anti-labour public whipped into a frenzy by media making big noise about two incedences. Most TTC employees are really good. People like to talk about the one bad interaction that they had with a ticket-taker or bus driver. These same people don't even acknowledge the employees that do a good job. The people who drive buses and take tickets are not robots or slaves.

 

aka Mycroft

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Joe has an accent.

As do a very large percentage of voters.

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As do a very large percentage of voters.

Which is just one of the reasons that it is odd that accents make Toronto mayoral candidates less 'electable'...

aka Mycroft

I wonder if John Sewell would do in Ward 27? Is his law office in this ward or in 28?

Stockholm

Le T wrote:

I can only imagine the abuse that TTC employes have been taking from a self-rightous, anti-labour public whipped into a frenzy by media making big noise about two incedences. Most TTC employees are really good. People like to talk about the one bad interaction that they had with a ticket-taker or bus driver. These same people don't even acknowledge the employees that do a good job. The people who drive buses and take tickets are not robots or slaves.

I'm sure the abuse goes both ways. I've witnessed TTC employees putting up with a lot of shit, but I've also witnessed a lot of TTC employees treating the public with total indifference verging on contempt. Whatever the case may be, I would like to know what the strategy is for having a wild cat work to rule campaign? What exactly is that supposed to accomplish? Let's say hypothetically the TTC employees decide to go on a "work to rule" campaign of refusing to offer assistance to anyone and purposely doing their jobs as slowly as possible - in what way is that supposed to make me have a more favourable opinion of them???

I'm sorry but from a purely strategic perspective, this is an unwinnable issue for the TTC employees. The way the public sees it is that we the public pay to use the system every time we pay a fare and through our taxes. The employees, when all is said and done are paid to be be there. People will always expect a higher standard of behaviour from the providers of a service than they do from the users of a service.

Lord Palmerston

aka Mycroft wrote:

I wonder if John Sewell would do in Ward 27? Is his law office in this ward or in 28?

His office is on Baldwin St., in Adam Vaughan's (and my) ward.

Ward 27 has become a very crowded field already.  I just met with a supporter of Kristyn Wong-Tam on the weekend.  She sounds like a very good candidate.

I think Sewell might be interested in running again.  He has just started writing a column for the Metro.  Though maybe he can do progressives a favor and run against Jane Pitfield in Ward 29 (didn't Sewell represent some of that area years ago?)

Stockholm

How old is Sewell now? I know he was first elected in 1969 so I'm guessing that he must be close to 80?

Lord Palmerston

John Sewell is 69 or 70 - about the same age as Howard Moscoe, who announced he is running again (he is being challenged by the notorious Rob Davis).

edmundoconnor

Seven candidates now for Ward 27. If more candidates join the fray, anyone with any sort of organization, volunteers, charisma and ideas is going to have a decent shot. I should declare I know Susan Gapka, so take my opinion with that in mind.

Interestingly, Rob Ford has not declared yet if he's running again in Ward 2. Is he seriously considering going for Mayor? How late do sitting councillors generally leave it until declaring their candidacies?

 

social democrat

The vacancy in Ward 27 has caused a dogfight amongst numerous contenders. Amongst the New Democrats, Joel Dick is an obvious opportunist who's been around for a long time and willl run for anything (although he never wins). Susan Gapka is a classic "NDP token candidate" also fated to lose badly. All of the heavyweight local NDP organizers (and probably the Labour Council) are lining up behind (yet to announce) Kristyn Wong-Tam. Google them yourself and then post your opinions?

Lord Palmerston

How about the non-NDP candidates in Ward 27?  They include, among others, Ken Chan, Chris Tindal and Simon Wookey.  Ken Chan is a big-L Liberal who was Smitherman's aide and also a former police officer.  It's hard to say how strong he will be on the campaign trail, though but he probably will have Smitherman machine resources at his disposal and can appeal both north and south of Bloor.   Simon Wookey, also a Liberal (who ran against Giambrone last time) seems more of a north of Bloor candidate.  Chris Tindal did very well in the federal byelection for the Greens and almost certainly took a lot of the NDP vote.

Parkdale High Park

And... Giambrone is done for. I'm not sure if he will drop out of the mayoral race, but I am pretty sure he just clinched defeat. Worse still for Giambrone, something like this does not look good for his plan B (running for the NDP provincially/federally). His campaign has already made a lot of mistakes and was up against a tough environment. Fighting off the stigma of having an affair with a 19 year old (and possibly having given her sensitive information) will make victory impossible. Giambrone should drop out immediately, and let another candidate take up the banner of the left, otherwise it is almost certain that Smitherman or Rossi will become mayor.

http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/torontomayoralrace/article/762532--adam-...

edmundoconnor

*Facepalm*

The number of levels on which this was dumb is simply staggering. Giambrone seemingly didn't know when to stop digging.

They might as well measure Smitherman for his ermine and robes right now.

skdadl

That's quite the crash and burn, isn't it. Mostly I hate these stories -- most people's personal lives, and especially their private messages, couldn't stand up to close parsing on the front page of the Star.  We don't need to know this stuff unless a politician has actively been trying to prevent others from freedoms that we then find out he was secretly enjoying himself.

 

That said, people can't un-know what they now know, especially that Giambrone may have given Lucas confidential information about the TTC.

Michelle

Waitaminite...a 19 year-old?  They made it sound on the news this morning like she was underage or something.  They didn't say "underage" but they kept really emphasizing "young".

If she was 19, then it's nobody's fucking business.  Are we really going to become like the US, where people give a shit about adultery and crap like that?  Who gave a damn when Mike Harris was carrying on with Sharon Dunn, besides Frank Magazine?  Was it widely reported by the mainstream media at the time?

Looks like the only thing that might be even remotely the public's business is that he told her about the fare increase before it was publicly announced.  Big deal.

I mean, he treated her badly, I agree.  And yes, it's sleazy to cheat - although it's not clear here who he was cheating on - which was the real relationship, the one with his "partner" or the one with this person?  Sounds like he was saying his "partner" is just around for window dressing.

But I guess the point is - does it affect his ability to do the job?  Clearly not.

Sure, it's juicy and interesting, but when it comes right down to it...who cares?  He had an affair.  Big whoop.  Welcome to the real world, where politicians (and lots of other people) cheat on their partners.

aka Mycroft

Wow, a new low for the Star!

Parkdale High Park

"But I guess the point is - does it affect his ability to do the job?  Clearly not."

1. It seriously effects his viability as the primary candidate of the left in this mayoral election. Since Toronto has no formal party system, however, he can withdraw and let somebody else take over. This will avoid vote-splitting on the left.

2. The affair clearly did affect his ability to do his job because he gave Ms. Lucas information she was not privy to.

3. While affairs are personal matters, they sometimes tell us about the personal characteristics of a prospective leader. I don't think it is irrelevant when politicians act dishonestly, or when they treat people as objects (eg. describing one's partner as window-dressing). Participating in an affair (and seemingly persisting till just before a mayoral election) also reflects a high threshold for risk-taking, that may not be what one wants in a mayor. The affair doesn't necessarily impact Giambrone's ability to be mayor, but it could reasonably affect one's judgment of whether he is the man we thought him to be. Elections are not just about platform planks - a lot of governing involves responding to unexpected issues that could not have been debated beforehand (eg. Jean Chretien could not have said "vote for me because in 2003 I will say no to the Iraq war" in 2000). Personal characteristics and ideological signalling are some of the few tools we have to predict how such a leader would act.

4. The fact that there may or may not have been a double-standard in the treatment of Mike Harris and Adam Giambrone is trouble, but irrelevant. Actually I think the main difference is that in this case the aggrieved party (or one of them) went public in a very big way. When Julie Couillard went public about Bernier's briefs there was, similarly, a media feeding frenzy.

 

Olly

Oh, come on Michelle. The reality of politics has always been that politicians' private lives are public. That's what every politician know s they are getting into when they sign their nomination papers. Who cares? you ask. I've heard nothing but this story on all morming radio today. EVERYONE cares. They LOVE this stuff. How could the Star not print the story?

I feel bad for him in a way. Having your private life in the papers sucks. But you know that going in and you have to be waaayyyy more careful about what you do than the average person. Anyway, he's clearly done.

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I wonder:  what if Giambrone didn't have an affair, but instead his partner went public with text messages criticizing her weight, praising other women, and referring to her as "the battle-axe" or "the ball and chain"?

Would that speak to his ability to do the job?  I don't think so.  Is it illegal?  I'm pretty sure it's not. 

But I would expect a lot of women to be a little less likely to vote for him.  Personally, Giambrone's affair isn't the biggest piece of news I'll hear all day, but I can understand if some people believe that his ethics outside of work are the best indicator of his ethics on the job.  If nothing else, this demonstrates a certain political cynicism on his part. 

If he's willing to perpetuate a hollow relationship because it has good political "optics" then I think anything he says can be taken with a grain of salt.  What wouldn't he do to get elected? 

Michelle

Oh come on.  Everyone talks to their partners about stuff going on at work that they wouldn't tell other people.  So what?  A fare increase isn't exactly a national security issue, it was going to happen anyhow, and since she didn't tell anyone, obviously he was a good enough judge of character to know who he could talk to about work.  What's the worst that would have happened had the fare hike been leaked early?  The Julie Couillard and Bernier affair was different - he left briefs there that were issues of national security.  Not about transit fares.

And are we really going down the road of analyzing people's love lives for clues about their character on the job?  If you live long enough outside your parents' basement and have enough relationships, you're going to have a few not-so-proud moments where you screwed things up, or maybe REALLY screwed things up, or broke a rule or two or did something unconventional or whatever.

I mean, hell, for all we know, maybe the partnership really IS window-dressing and it's an agreement between the two of them.  Maybe there was something in it for both of them.  Who knows?  We haven't heard anything from either him or his partner about it so it's hard to know.  Or maybe it's just a variation the age-old married-guy line to his mistress: "My wife doesn't understand me!"  Who knows?  Why should we care beyond it just being interesting gossip - which, of course, we all care about! :D

They were saying on the news this morning that Giambrone's people are releasing e-mail correspondence from Lucas as well.  Should be interesting to see what happens with that.  It's pretty easy to release only the personal correspondence that is embarassing for a public figure in order to get back at them for spurning you.  Perhaps not so satisfying once he admits it, has nothing to lose, and starts releasing HER not-so-shining moments in e-mail correspondence. 

This could backfire on her - he may come out of this looking like a sympathetic figure withstanding an attack by a scorned lover, and it might actually humanize him.  People might like him better with a few foibles, isntead of as a squeaky-clean child star.  People can relate better to foibles than to perfection.

Then again, it could kill his political career for the time being.  I wonder whether there's an opponent's campaign helping this scandal along?

Michelle

Oh, I know, Olly - it was a pretty dumb thing to do.  But hey - lots of us are dumb when it comes to affairs of the heart. :)

Yes, of course people want to know.  Heck, I'm as interested as the next person in what will happen next!  But while it's interesting gossip, I probably wouldn't change my vote over it, if I were planning to vote for him in the first place.  (I'm not sure who I'm voting for yet - but this won't influence my decision, unless something of substance develops in the story.)  As skdadl says, most people's personal correspondence probably wouldn't hold up to scrutiny on the front page of the Star.

Olly

Yeah, I agree. I wouldn't vote for him because I think the TTC is a mess, not because of this.

skdadl

For a time, I was really shocked by the reaction of lefty Merkin friends online to the revelations about John Edwards. I tried holding the line for a while because I just couldn't see why it should matter to anyone but the people involved. I didn't think people had the right, eg, to condescend to Elizabeth Edwards by pitying her -- who knows how she felt, what she knew, what she'd agreed to? No one ever really will, and no one deserves to. Marriages are like that.

 

But then, as we say, the guy kept digging. I was wishing he would just tell the press to fork off from the start, and if he'd done that, I would still be arguing for him. But he did the sentimental confessional thing, except only half-honestly, and then he got caught in further lies and tried to cover those up, and it all just kept tumbling on. At some point you start to think, maybe this guy really doesn't have a centre, and that could be trouble. I think it's a great shame, but he managed things spectacularly badly, and that eventually influences my judgement.

 

As for Lucas, I think she's as poisonous as Couillard. This was a rotten thing for her to do; I don't see that she has any defence at all. If she was in any way personally wronged before, she scuttled any ounce of sympathy I might have had for her by going the celebrity-scandal route. Enjoy your fifteen minutes, crass person.

Stockholm

First of all, i agree with Michelle that the way this was reported made it sound like he was a pedophile engaged in a inappropriate relationship with someone underage - then it turns out she's 20 and he's 32 - not such an unusual age difference for a couple and 100% legal.

That being said, the most damaging thing about this is not that he was having the affair (so much for all those rumours about him being gay - obviously everyone was barking up the wrong tree!!), but the fact that he comes across in the story as immature and ruthlessly opportunistic what with saying that his wife/partner is just there for political reasons and for the campaign etc...

Even before this, I thought that his campaign was a one way ticket to oblivion - now I think that there it is OVER. Period. I don't see how he can continue to be a serious candidate for mayor. i think that if he doesn't quit the race now - his supporters will start to desert.  I'm just glad this ois happening in February and not October so that there's lots of time for the left to regroup.

I think Joe Pantalone is looking better and better with every passing day. He is the only one running for mayor who isn't an object of ridicule and i think that if Giambrone wakes up and smells the coffee - people may start to take a closer look at Pantalone.

Le T Le T's picture

Personally, I'm not a huge Giambrone fan so don't take this as partisanship but... what the hell? Smitherman essentially gave a billion dollars away to rich people for doing nothing. I have yet to see this criminal act tied to his name in any of his mayoral raw-raw pieces in the Star. Giambrone gets caught fucking and it is presumed that he is finished.

So to be mayor of Toronto you better be a man, white, good looking (broadly interpreted), monogamous (or precieved as such), have un-accented English, and agree with the idea that "the Transit Union is holding the city hostage"?

Queen Victoria wants her fucking era back Toronto!

Stockholm

Smitherman is not particularly goodlooking and while I can't comment on whether he's monogamous in the context of his current marriage - he did come out publicly a few years ago about his past addiction to "party drugs" and I'm sure he has quite a number of "exs" floating around with all kinds of lurid stories to tell. But he's still the front runner.

JeffWells

Stockholm wrote:

That being said, the most damaging thing about this is not that he was having the affair (so much for all those rumours about him being gay - obviously everyone was barking up the wrong tree!!), but the fact that he comes across in the story as immature and ruthlessly opportunistic what with saying that his wife/partner is just there for political reasons and for the campaign etc...

 

Absolutely. The affair is a personal embarrassment with public consequences, but the apparent contrivance of his politically expedient relationship makes him appear ridiculous and calculating. That's a lethal combination. He's done, and as you say, better now than later. If he doesn't withdraw and salvage some dignity, and learn from this experience how to be a better politician by being a more integrated human being, he's destined to be the Nunziata of the race.

Michelle

That's true about the supposed relationship-of-convenience part - that will probably kill him more than the "affair".  Actually, that was the part that made me roll my eyes more this morning when I read the story than the "affair" did.  I never gave a shit whether he was married, single, gay, straight, whatever when I voted for him.  Not sure why he would think it was necessary to conjure up a wife for photo ops now, since he has been re-elected in Davenport as a councillor without it.

He'll recover from it, though.  If not in this race, then probably another one in a few years.  As for withdrawing now - I don't think it would wise to withdraw today.  He should see how the wind blows, try not to do anything too stupid (like get into a war of escalating e-mail releases) and see whether things calm down in a day or two.  You never know how a story like this might end up spinning, so there's no sense in making snap decisions.

A_J

Stockholm wrote:
First of all, i agree with Michelle that the way this was reported made it sound like he was a pedophile engaged in a inappropriate relationship with someone underage.

The Star's headline referred to her as a "young woman", nothing misleading there.

Usually I'm inclined to say "so what?" and deem it a personal matter, but at the same time, this is about an elected official being incredibly dumb. I can't help but think that's somewhat relevant to the voting public, even if this stupidity is related to their personal life.

And there are more serious or relevant issues here too. There's the disclosing "top secret" information about the TTC - which is kind of silly but then again the TTC certainly took the fare increase very (excessively) seriously. Also on a serious note (no, really), I'd be careful if Giambrone ever offered me to take a seat in his office:

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In recent interviews with the Star, Lucas said she's been involved with Giambrone since late 2008 and, on several occasions, had sex late at night on a couch in his City Hall office.

Eww.

Which also raises the question of what kind of atmosphere that creates in the workplace if anyone ever knew (well, they know now).

Stockholm

"The Star's headline referred to her as a "young woman", nothing misleading there."

I was referring more to the CBC radio news where my first reaction hearing the morning headlines was that there was someone underaged involved - probably because these days when you hear about an "inappropriate relationship" it often seems to be a euphemism for sex with a minor. Obviously that's not the case here - but I'm just saying what my first reaction was before i read all the facts.

A political

We can spend a lot of time debating whether the Star reported the story correctly.  That's not the point.  For me there is one thing and one thing only.  Not the affair-- Who cares it is the stupidity of it.  When are these people going to learn Hell has not fury as a women scorned,  And man too frankly.

Michelle

Exactly, Stockholm.  The 6:30 a.m. news on Metro Morning was basically a teaser, talking about how a sex scandal had broken about Giambrone, where he was involved in an "inappropriate relationship" with a "young woman".  But then they didn't give any details.  They kept emphasizing "young" and "inappropriate".  Then at 7:30, they reported that he'd had an affair with a woman who is "now 20" without clarifying what age she was when the affair happened.

Since they kept emphasizing age, it's obvious that people are going to assume that a teenager who wasn't 18 yet is involved.  That's what I thought from the news reports this morning until I logged onto babble and discovered that it was a 19 year-old - an adult!

The reporting on Metro Morning this morning was downright misleading - shameful, really.

aka Mycroft

Giambrone's behaviour was incredibly dumb and only reinforces the impression that he's immature. Added to it is a rather manipulative attitude towards people (in this case either Ms Lucas or Ms McQuarrie or both). And for god's sake if you are a politician having an affair don't do it over facebook, email and text messages. That's just boneheaded.

Snert Snert's picture

I'm curious:  what, specifically, does having a few martinis and then driving back to your hotel tell us about a person's moral fibre that cheating on your partner-of-convenience (and having sex in your office!) doesn't?  Note that unless your family are all tea-totallers, there's a pretty huge chance that back in the day, your father or granddad or one of your uncles may have done the same, so I trust we agree that it does not a monster make.  And for the sake of argument, assume nobody is actually harmed.  Just a dumb mistake.

What's the diff?  At what point is your private life really your private life, if you're a politician?

Michelle

Well, one is breaking the law and putting people at risk of getting killed, and the other isn't.

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