Federal Election - 2015 (Quebec)

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socialdemocraticmiddle wrote:

Quebec is definitely heating up.

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/ndps-orange-wave-in-quebec-could-becom...

This is good news for Gilles Duceppe.

 

How so? 

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

socialdemocraticmiddle wrote:

Quebec is definitely heating up.

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/ndps-orange-wave-in-quebec-could-becom...

This is good news for Gilles Duceppe.

 

 

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David Young

socialdemocraticmiddle wrote:

Quebec is definitely heating up.

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/ndps-orange-wave-in-quebec-could-becom...

This is good news for Gilles Duceppe.

Huh?

 

 

 

socialdemocrati...

I don't know. Ever since Gilles Duceppe came back on the scene in June, Liberals have been repeating that the Bloc is doing amazing.

Brachina

 Wow look at all the bashing of the NDP in the comments section over seperatists, pure fear mongering, the Libs are getting deseperate.

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

Brachina wrote:

 Wow look at all the bashing of the NDP in the comments section over seperatists, pure fear mongering, the Libs are getting deseperate.

Ignore the whining of the old angryphones closing in on death. That's the Conservative support base. They are irrelevant in Québec.

lagatta

But gawd they like to write letters to the editor of the Gazette. Complaining about francophones. Or cyclists. They really hate cyclists.

However, I've cycled round the West Island and most everyone was courteous. Guess the angryphones were busy writing angry letters.

Sean in Ottawa

lagatta wrote:

But gawd they like to write letters to the editor of the Gazette. Complaining about francophones. Or cyclists. They really hate cyclists.

However, I've cycled round the West Island and most everyone was courteous. Guess the angryphones were busy writing angry letters.

Who says they live in Montreal anyway-- probably conservatives from Toronto.

Gotta say-- Montreal is a welcoming place always found the people there really nice -- except when they are driving of course.

knownothing knownothing's picture

Nobody understands Quebec politics better than Mulcair. Just read his book.

quizzical

sorry lagatta i don't need to be refered to a right wing filth thanks anyway

 

mark_alfred

alan smithee wrote:

Brachina wrote:

 Wow look at all the bashing of the NDP in the comments section over seperatists, pure fear mongering, the Libs are getting deseperate.

Ignore the whining of the old angryphones closing in on death. That's the Conservative support base. They are irrelevant in Québec.

Given Trudeau's focus on sovereignty fear mongering during the Macleans debate, I'd say it's just as likely they're the Liberal support base as it is they're being the Conservative support base.

Hunky_Monkey

I wonder with those numbers, what Liberal ridings would fall to the NDP?  Papineau?  That would be the best thing ever  Smile

I hope they put up a strong candidate there.

nicky

Forum recently polled for views on best recent Prime Minister:

http://poll.forumresearch.com/data/Federal%20Past%20Prime%20Ministers%20News%20Release%20(2015%2008%2010)%202687%20Forum%20Research.pdf

Perhaps unsurprisingly Pierre Trudeau scored in the lead with 25%. But what was somewhat remarkable for me was how low he was rated in Quebec – 15%, 13% among Francophones, and 6% among Bloc supporters. He came in lower than Chretien, Mulroney or None of the Above in all these demographics.

Justin of course basks in his father’s glory, having so little of his own. But this seems likely counterproductive in nationalist Quebec. Chantal Hebert suggested that Trudeau’s posturing on the Clarity Act might hurt him in Quebec. This poll as well as this week’s horserace polls certainly back this up.

 

lagatta

quizzical, I didn't call you right-wing filth and never would (I was speaking about Thatcher; note the colon leading to Renaud's song against her). I'm very sorry if my words were unclear.

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

It doesn't matter. Right wing fruitcakes are laughed at and scoffed at in Montréal. I'd be surprised if this buffoon got 10% of the vote.

lagatta

I'd be surprised if he got 5%  The last Con got 4.32% of the vote: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosemont%E2%80%94La_Petite-Patrie_%28circo...

nicky

He doesnt give much detail but Jean Lapierre says in this clip that the Liberals are worried about some of their current seats in Montreal including Papineau.

http://montreal.ctvnews.ca/polls-show-steady-support-for-ndp-at-expense-...

 

lagatta

Now we have some REAL rightwing filth. (By the way, the reason I'm using the term "filth" is that it isn't gendered - the more standard terms would be "bitch" and "bastard", and both at least originally insult women (and their "illegitimate" progeny in sexualised terms).

In my riding! (In Rosemont-La-Petite-Patrie) Extremist Tory candidate insults women, First Nations, Quebec, Sikhs, and Muslims

https://rjjago.wordpress.com/?ref=spelling

He also compares Gilles Duceppe to ... STALIN!!!

The above blog in English was accessed via microlocal site Rue Masson (the main drag in Vieux-Rosemont, which is east of where I live).

http://ruemasson.com/2015/08/20/le-candidat-conservateur-de-rosemont-la-...

Another article in English: http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2015/08/20/gilles-guibord-conservative-cand... It only touches on the sexist comments; he was just as "liberal" with racist ones.

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2015/08/21/tories-drop-quebec-candida...

socialdemocrati...

nicky wrote:

Forum recently polled for views on best recent Prime Minister:

http://poll.forumresearch.com/data/Federal%20Past%20Prime%20Ministers%20News%20Release%20(2015%2008%2010)%202687%20Forum%20Research.pdf

Perhaps unsurprisingly Pierre Trudeau scored in the lead with 25%. But what was somewhat remarkable for me was how low he was rated in Quebec – 15%, 13% among Francophones, and 6% among Bloc supporters. He came in lower than Chretien, Mulroney or None of the Above in all these demographics.

Justin of course basks in his father’s glory, having so little of his own. But this seems likely counterproductive in nationalist Quebec. Chantal Hebert suggested that Trudeau’s posturing on the Clarity Act might hurt him in Quebec. This poll as well as this week’s horserace polls certainly back this up.

It's also interesting that Quebec is the only province holding a candle for Brian Mulroney of all people. He polls as high as Chretien, if only by default.

I don't understand!

DaveW

nicky wrote:

He doesnt give much detail but Jean Lapierre says in this clip that the Liberals are worried about some of their current seats in Montreal including Papineau.

http://montreal.ctvnews.ca/polls-show-steady-support-for-ndp-at-expense-...

 

if the NDP itself had not screwed it up, they had a strong candidate in Papineau ready to dislodge Justin,

but Party got weak in the knees ...

David Young

Hunky_Monkey wrote:

I wonder with those numbers, what Liberal ridings would fall to the NDP?  Papineau?  That would be the best thing ever  Smile

I hope they put up a strong candidate there.

As I see it, the potenial pick-ups in Montreal would be Ahunstic-Cartierville, Bourassa, Lac-Saint Louis, N.D.G.-Westmount, and Papineau!  The rest of the Liberal ridings (Mount Royal, Saint Laurent, Saint Leonard-Saint Michel) I don't think will be going anywhere else.

Ridings that elected NDP members in 2011 who aren't New Democrats this time (Jonquiere, Montcalm, Repentigny, Saint Maurice-Champlain, Vimy) should go back to the NDP fold again.

Megantic-L'erable could flip from the Conservatives to the NDP, and the three rural B.Q. ridings also may go NDP as well, as the Bloc is looking more and more like a spent force.

 

 

Matthieu

socialdemocraticmiddle wrote:

nicky wrote:

Forum recently polled for views on best recent Prime Minister:

http://poll.forumresearch.com/data/Federal%20Past%20Prime%20Ministers%20News%20Release%20(2015%2008%2010)%202687%20Forum%20Research.pdf

Perhaps unsurprisingly Pierre Trudeau scored in the lead with 25%. But what was somewhat remarkable for me was how low he was rated in Quebec – 15%, 13% among Francophones, and 6% among Bloc supporters. He came in lower than Chretien, Mulroney or None of the Above in all these demographics.

Justin of course basks in his father’s glory, having so little of his own. But this seems likely counterproductive in nationalist Quebec. Chantal Hebert suggested that Trudeau’s posturing on the Clarity Act might hurt him in Quebec. This poll as well as this week’s horserace polls certainly back this up.

It's also interesting that Quebec is the only province holding a candle for Brian Mulroney of all people. He polls as high as Chretien, if only by default.

I don't understand!

 

He's the last Canadian Prime Minister who truly tried to bring change favorable to Québec with the Meech Lake Accord, the last one who tried to fix what Trudeau fucked up.  Since then, there has been a complete lack of interest from the following PMs to try and bring Québec into the constitution. 

So, no matter how bad he was (on a political or personal level), he is remembered fondly for that fact.

swallow swallow's picture

I don't understand why anyone is are suprised by any of this. Doesn't everyone know that the name Trudeau is more reviled in Quebec than the name Mulroney? It's hardly a big secret. 

socialdemocrati...

Matthieu wrote:
He's the last Canadian Prime Minister who truly tried to bring change favorable to Québec with the Meech Lake Accord, the last one who tried to fix what Trudeau fucked up.  Since then, there has been a complete lack of interest from the following PMs to try and bring Québec into the constitution. 

So, no matter how bad he was (on a political or personal level), he is remembered fondly for that fact.

With all the horror about re-opening the constitution, I think I give Mulroney be-gruding respect for trying to heal that divide, even if he failed. It's somehow less cowardly than ignoring Quebec or just creating legal hurdles to stop them from breaking away.

quizzical

lagatta wrote:
quizzical, I didn't call you right-wing filth and never would (I was speaking about Thatcher; note the colon leading to Renaud's song against her). I'm very sorry if my words were unclear.

i'm very sorry i jumped to a hasty conclusion instead of reading properly as i re-read it just now and saw the colon. and i'm sorry for making you feel sorry wrongly.

Sean in Ottawa

lagatta wrote:

That may be true, but it is like applauding Nazi pre-war economic policy, or saying Mussolini made the trains run on time. Right-wing filth:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LohnbmgLSb0

Miss Maggie, by Renaud.

If you want to listen to the English version here it is

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NhzTdyZOxY

 

lagatta

Thanks, quizzical.

More on Guibord in the Star, but I suppose this is more for a laugh than anything else:

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2015/08/21/tories-drop-quebec-candida...

Renaud's English is more than painful...

quizzical

"Marc-André Leclerc, speaking for the Conservatives in Quebec, told CP at the time that the party “has a program . . . and our candidates adhere to that program.”

lagatta's article had this in it. bolding is mine.

i find the language used alarming and unsettling.

 

sherpa-finn

Who says we are not a distinct society?

Maxime Bernier goes retro in The Beauce: https://soundcloud.com/maxime-bernier-2015/jingle-radio-maxime-bernier-2...

 

bekayne

sherpa-finn wrote:

Who says we are not a distinct society?

Maxime Bernier goes retro in The Beauce: https://soundcloud.com/maxime-bernier-2015/jingle-radio-maxime-bernier-2...

 

He can use it again for the leadership campaign

swallow swallow's picture

Now that is a cool and relatable way to wear a sweater! Je swoon pour Maxime! 

bekayne

http://montrealgazette.com/news/quebec/duceppe-says-independent-quebec-w...

SHERBROOKE — Bloc Québécois Leader Gilles Duceppe has indicated his support for military intervention in Syria and Iraq — because there’s no other option.

He even suggested Tuesday that an independent Quebec would have chosen to take part in the current mission against the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant.

 

lagatta

Has he lost it?

We dislike ISIL as much as any thinking person, but Québec has historically been very reticent about armed conflicts. He should remember the HUGE demonstrations here against the war on Iraq - not only in Montréal, but even in tiny towns. I saw him and other Bloquistes (including some I knew personally from the labour movement) at them.

Brachina

 He's deseperate and banking on ISIL being way more unpopular in Quebec then the former Iraqi Dictator, its a way to stand out from Tom who wishes to pull us out of Iraq and Syria.

Stockholm

Its being reported on CTV that a poll has been done in Papineau that shows the NDP beating Trudeau by 11 points!

Brachina

Stockholm wrote:

Its being reported on CTV that a poll has been done in Papineau that shows the NDP beating Trudeau by 11 points!

 This brought a huge smile to my face, made my day. I dream of Trudeau being drummed out of politics.

lagatta

ISIL is very unpopular, but sending troops to an unwinnable war is even more so. That sure won't win him any votes in Laurier-Ste-Marie. That riding votes Québec solidaire! (Mercier + Ste-Marie-St-Jacques).

Pondering

Brachina wrote:

Stockholm wrote:

Its being reported on CTV that a poll has been done in Papineau that shows the NDP beating Trudeau by 11 points!

 This brought a huge smile to my face, made my day. I dream of Trudeau being drummed out of politics.

An NDP poll says so, I wonder what a Liberal poll would conclude.

Michael Moriarity Michael Moriarity's picture

Pondering wrote:

Brachina wrote:

Stockholm wrote:

Its being reported on CTV that a poll has been done in Papineau that shows the NDP beating Trudeau by 11 points!

 This brought a huge smile to my face, made my day. I dream of Trudeau being drummed out of politics.

An NDP poll says so, I wonder what a Liberal poll would conclude.

Well, if the Liberals have a poll which shows Trudeau ahead, I suspect they may release it now.

Charles

It's a CROP poll commissioned by the NDP. CROP are the gold standard of QC polling. The commissioner of the poll may choose to release results or not but they doesn't impact the results themselves. 

And this is no surprise. One need only look at the numbers and trajectory of polls in QC to see the Liberals will be hard pressed to make any gains, esp with the collapse of the Bloc which appears to be totally going to the NDP in Papineau, which, again, has been predicted for some time. 

I hope this holds. Justin Zoolander is a disgrace and an embarassment to the country and his defeat would be the first thing to make me truly hopeful for the character of the country in a long time. 

Jacob Two-Two

Besides, I think it would be good for him personally to get a real job. He needs to stop looking for short cuts in life.

bekayne

http://www.nationalnewswatch.com/2015/09/18/reopen-the-constitution-to-d...

LAC-MEGANTIC, Que. — An NDP candidate in Quebec with a personal beef against the wearing of niqabs during citizenship ceremonies wants the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms amended.

Jean-Francois Delisle said if elected, his party will negotiate with the provinces to reopen the Constitution in order to abolish the Senate.

He suggests the party could kill two birds with one stone by using the opportunity to deal with the niqab issue.

"Thomas Mulcair is ready to open the Constitution for the Senate, so why wouldn't he be ready to open it up on this issue?" Delisle asked during an interview with The Canadian Press at a cafe in Lac-Megantic, Que., on Friday.

Delisle doesn't hide his disagreement with the wearing of a niqab while swearing the oath of citizenship.

"To have one's face covered for a swearing-in ceremony, I'm not in agreement with that," said Delisle, who is seeking to win Megantic-L'Erable, the riding held by outgoing Conservative cabinet minister Christian Paradis.

"I'm comfortable saying that and I think my party is also comfortable saying that."

 

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Denis Lebel, the top Con minister in Quebec, is only five points ahead in his Roberval riding, a new poll says. The NDP is well ahead in the other two risding sof Saguanay-Lac St Jean, including the one held by Claude Patry (Bloc, elected as NDP).

This poll was commissioned by the local newspaper, not the NDP. 

[url=http://www.lapresse.ca/le-quotidien/actualites/201509/20/01-4902253-deni... Lebel menacé par la vague orange[/url]

jjuares

Unionist wrote:

lagatta wrote:

Has he lost it?

We dislike ISIL as much as any thinking person, but Québec has historically been very reticent about armed conflicts. He should remember the HUGE demonstrations here against the war on Iraq - not only in Montréal, but even in tiny towns. I saw him and other Bloquistes (including some I knew personally from the labour movement) at them.

When did you last talk to him? I've been reporting here for years about his shameless support for the Afghan "mission". When I voted for Mulcair in the 2007 byelection, it was primarily because he was calling clearly for withdrawal of troops - which Layton was still being mealymouthed about months after the convention embarrassed him and Dawn Black by passing that resolution. Duceppe's notion of an independent Québec apparently differs little in foreign affairs from Rudyard Kipling's White Man's Burden. It's a little weakness of his which he obviously hasn't shaken yet. He really needs to attend AA (Agressors Anonymous) meetings.

 


While I disagreed with Duceppe about sovereignty I used to have great respect for him on many other issues. Tonight I was just sad hearing him talk about the niquab and bombing.

Unionist

lagatta wrote:

Has he lost it?

We dislike ISIL as much as any thinking person, but Québec has historically been very reticent about armed conflicts. He should remember the HUGE demonstrations here against the war on Iraq - not only in Montréal, but even in tiny towns. I saw him and other Bloquistes (including some I knew personally from the labour movement) at them.

When did you last talk to him? I've been reporting here for years about his shameless support for the Afghan "mission". When I voted for Mulcair in the 2007 byelection, it was primarily because he was calling clearly for withdrawal of troops - which Layton was still being mealymouthed about the issue months after the convention embarrassed him and Dawn Black by passing that resolution. Duceppe's notion of an independent Québec apparently differs little in foreign affairs from Rudyard Kipling's White Man's Burden. It's a little weakness of his which he obviously hasn't shaken yet. He really needs to attend AA (Aggressors Anonymous) meetings.

 

Pondering

jjuares wrote:
Unionist wrote:

lagatta wrote:

Has he lost it?

We dislike ISIL as much as any thinking person, but Québec has historically been very reticent about armed conflicts. He should remember the HUGE demonstrations here against the war on Iraq - not only in Montréal, but even in tiny towns. I saw him and other Bloquistes (including some I knew personally from the labour movement) at them.

When did you last talk to him? I've been reporting here for years about his shameless support for the Afghan "mission". When I voted for Mulcair in the 2007 byelection, it was primarily because he was calling clearly for withdrawal of troops - which Layton was still being mealymouthed about months after the convention embarrassed him and Dawn Black by passing that resolution. Duceppe's notion of an independent Québec apparently differs little in foreign affairs from Rudyard Kipling's White Man's Burden. It's a little weakness of his which he obviously hasn't shaken yet. He really needs to attend AA (Agressors Anonymous) meetings.

 

While I disagreed with Duceppe about sovereignty I used to have great respect for him on many other issues. Tonight I was just sad hearing him talk about the niquab and bombing.

Prior to the Quiet Revolution The Church pretty much ruled Quebec. Mulcair raised the issue of going from all public schools being either Protestant, which meant anyone could attend, and Catholic in which you were expected to be Catholic. Schools became non-denominational, became French and Engish, which allowed for the switch to have immigrants go to French schools.

A large party of the revolution was throwing off the yoke of the control of the Church. France is actively secular and Quebec is attracted to that. Catholicism still runs deeply through our history. I take them for granted but we have grand churches all over the place. Even for people who are not particularly religious it's a natural background, part of what makes Quebec feel like home. Because the church is still so powerful the separation between church and state is guarded all the more closely. The church has become more moderate over the years, nuns don't all wear all-encompassing habits as a matter of course.

For Quebec the niquab is like putting not only Nuns but all women in full habits and even more extreme, covering the face. It is archaic and oppressive. Saying women choose it doesn't change that fact. Jian Ghomeshi showed a video to execs that he thought would clear him because it was consensual. It didn't matter that it was consensual, it's not something you do to another person. Same goes for the niquab. That it is consensual doesn't make it okay. It is an affront to Quebec values. Quebec is not into multiculturalism. The goal is to assimilate newcomers. That is why they switched to non-denominational schools, so immigrants could be absorbed into the French community rather than the English community. A face covering is a physical barrier to assimilation.

P.S. I don't agree with banning them and Lagatta would explain it all much better.

Aristotleded24

Pondering wrote:
Prior to the Quiet Revolution The Church pretty much ruled Quebec. Mulcair raised the issue of going from all public schools being either Protestant, which meant anyone could attend, and Catholic in which you were expected to be Catholic. Schools became non-denominational, became French and Engish, which allowed for the switch to have immigrants go to French schools.

A large party of the revolution was throwing off the yoke of the control of the Church. France is actively secular and Quebec is attracted to that. Catholicism still runs deeply through our history. I take them for granted but we have grand churches all over the place. Even for people who are not particularly religious it's a natural background, part of what makes Quebec feel like home. Because the church is still so powerful the separation between church and state is guarded all the more closely. The church has become more moderate over the years, nuns don't all wear all-encompassing habits as a matter of course.

For Quebec the niquab is like putting not only Nuns but all women in full habits and even more extreme, covering the face. It is archaic and oppressive. Saying women choose it doesn't change that fact. Jian Ghomeshi showed a video to execs that he thought would clear him because it was consensual. It didn't matter that it was consensual, it's not something you do to another person. Same goes for the niquab. That it is consensual doesn't make it okay. It is an affront to Quebec values. Quebec is not into multiculturalism. The goal is to assimilate newcomers. That is why they switched to non-denominational schools, so immigrants could be absorbed into the French community rather than the English community. A face covering is a physical barrier to assimilation.

That is an interesting explanation. I know that there's a good reason why Quebec is the most non-religious of all provinces in the country, and this explanation does make some sense.

quizzical

is it consensual in most cases? in some cases? in few cases? how would we know?

not a follower of Catholicism like some in my family were raised or beaten into i never thought about  them being a trigger to nuns wearing habits. it explains a bit why some of my family have some serious issues with the wearing of them. thought it was just all tied up in the whole anti-immigrant stance.

 

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