Impending attacks on the surging NDP

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Brachina wrote:
...  it was entirely possible that Jack thought it was not a sexual massage parlour at all.

Who cares? Are you seriously suggesting that a political figure shouldn't go to a sexual massage parlour? Or that he should pretend he didn't know? What are you actually trying to say here?

Brachina

 I'm saying that according to Jack and Olivia he went for medical reasons, not sexual reasons and others have suggested that Jack knew, I'm suggest he's not knowing was plausible, I'm not judging Jack if he was in fact in search of a "Happy Ending", that's between the people invovled not me.

socialdemocrati...

Yeah I'm sorry I brought it up. The point is some attacks are so irrelevant, so malicious, and so strategically timed, the electorate can't help but see through them and be skeptical. The Conservatives have such a horrible reputation for attack ads, and the Liberals have a reputation for just ignoring the NDP. If they start attacking the NDP now, people are going to take it with a huge grain of salt.

But none of this is to say that the NDP should just ignore the attacks. Some strategy is required.

mark_alfred

Prediction:  I don't think any major attacks will be forthcoming from either the Cons or Libs toward the NDP during the summer.  I think they're both going to wait, because they're assuming that it's just a short post-Notley post-Bill C-51 fad that will fade (and then things will return to the blue-door red-door paradigm).  The Liberals will try to re-establish themselves as the cool responsible agents of change to big bad Harper (IE, realchange.ca), and the Cons will continue to vilify Trudeau.  Each will make dismissive comments about the NDP on occasion, but will focus their main fire on each other.  After the summer, in September, if polls have not changed, or if the NDP have surged further into the lead, then full on attacks from both the Liberals and Conservatives against the NDP will occur.  But for now both Libs and Cons still feel it's best to not acknowledge the NDP as a serious contender, because doing so would give them too much credibility.

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mark_alfred wrote:

  But for now both Libs and Cons still feel it's best to not acknowledge the NDP as a serious contender, because doing so would give them too much credibility.

Good. The longer that goes on, the better.

takeitslowly

Many of us are already spending alot of time online defending NDP  from the onslaught of  conservative and liberals attack on the comment sections of sites like Huffinginton Post, the toronto star, and NDP advertisment pages on facebook.  Anyone who wants to do something for the NDP should be on those sites. Excuses like you dont use facbook doesnt cut it if you are serious about being an NDP activist.

 

The media is already talking about how NDP is getting less facebook likes than other parties.http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/federal-liberals-conservatives-in-2-horse-race-for-likes-facebook-1.2423385

 

Facebook is changing conversations, and moving votes, and maybe more improtant than traditional media when it comes to having impact

 

 

bagkitty bagkitty's picture

That site is hilarious... I had more in common with Christian Heritage (10%) than the Cons (1%).

What it really needs is a "don't get fooled again" option for those of us who remember the Liberals and their whole "Red Book" nonsense - it should adjust the calculation involving who you side with to take into account their actual track record.

Arthur Cramer Arthur Cramer's picture

takeitslowly wrote:

Many of us are already spending alot of time online defending NDP  from the onslaught of  conservative and liberals attack on the comment sections of sites like Huffinginton Post, the toronto star, and NDP advertisment pages on facebook.  Anyone who wants to do something for the NDP should be on those sites. Excuses like you dont use facbook doesnt cut it if you are serious about being an NDP activist.

 

The media is already talking about how NDP is getting less facebook likes than other parties.http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/federal-liberals-conservatives-in-2-horse-race-for-likes-facebook-1.2423385

 

Facebook is changing conversations, and moving votes, and maybe more improtant than traditional media when it comes to having impact

 

 

RELAX! All that is happening is the MSM is upto its usual mischiefl Eeryone take a big breath! This reminds me of the runup to the 2008 election. Everyone was worrying about the Presidential election. Like the President thenm, "Tom has this"! Work hard but stop freaking. People are smarter then you think they are as the polls seem to be suggesting. Lets keeping working hard, and do what has to be done. If anything, this simpy proves how freaked out they all are at what is oging on.

Sean in Ottawa

takeitslowly wrote:

Many of us are already spending alot of time online defending NDP  from the onslaught of  conservative and liberals attack on the comment sections of sites like Huffinginton Post, the toronto star, and NDP advertisment pages on facebook.  Anyone who wants to do something for the NDP should be on those sites. Excuses like you dont use facbook doesnt cut it if you are serious about being an NDP activist.

 

The media is already talking about how NDP is getting less facebook likes than other parties.http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/federal-liberals-conservatives-in-2-horse-race-for-likes-facebook-1.2423385

 

Facebook is changing conversations, and moving votes, and maybe more improtant than traditional media when it comes to having impact

 

 

Not sure I agree -- first you missed Twitter and it is just -- if not more -- active. If you are more active and have a bigger following on Twitter why not spend more time there?

I agree comment sections -- I see a much greater balance these days so either more poeple are going NDP or we are getting louder -- both are good. Do facebook if that is where you are.

Pierre C yr

Speaking of attacks was it a bit of a joke that media said Muclair didnt know the tax rates? I have news for those who think its 15%. Its not if you take into consideration the small corporate rate or if you look at it from a point of vue of effective taxation which is far lower than 15%.

takeitslowly

forget it.

onlinediscountanvils

NorthReport wrote:

Here comes the big right-wing scare tactics. 

http://www.eurasiareview.com/

Hi NorthReport! Surprised to see me? What do you mean by this:

NorthReport wrote:

oldv,

I expected to hear from the people who supported the right-wing Wynne Liberals in the Ontario election. So you are kinda confirming my hunch abourt Leadnow.

NorthReport

Here comes the big right-wing scare tactics. 

The one percenters are having a temper tantrum that there will be a NDP government.  

http://www.eurasiareview.com/

socialdemocrati...

The comment sections of newspapers really are dominated by the most hardcore of partisans, though there's a decent contingent of "anyone but Harper" voters. But they're all people who made up their minds. I wouldn't waste too much time there. It's a bottomless pit.

What's actually much more important is to engage with people in the networks you have. Facebook, friends, neighbors, family, coworkers, anyone you can approach in a friendly and patient way. Ask em if they're paying attention to politics and ask em what they think. They'll inevitably ask what you think, and you can let the conversation go from there.

bekayne

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2015/06/18/ndp-conservative-attack-ad-faceb...

The Tories' jab at Mulcair on social media appears to be their first since October 2014, leading some to suggest online that the governing party could be shifting its focus in light of the NDP's rise in the polls.

socialdemocrati...

There aren't any voters who are going to change their minds because Mulcair said twelve when he meant fifteen. But it's interesting to see so many Conservatives (and even a few Liberals) pounce on this.

You would have thought they'd have something better and more substantive. Even the satellite offices have more substance than that.

When you get down to what Conservatives are really warning people against, it really amounts to "the NDP is going to raise corporate taxes." Conservatives think that will scare voters away from voting NDP. But it's exactly the policy that Notley ran on and won. In Alberta, of all places.

I say bring it on.

Mr. Magoo

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The attack ads are coming. Looking at the twitter feed on Tom Mulcair, the attacks are all over the place:

  • The NDP wanted to abolish the Senate for years, but Mulcair only talks about it to win cheap votes.
  • Mulcair said he'll scrap Bill C-51, but he doesn't really mean it.
  • The federal minimum wage doesn't effect everyone, so Mulcair shouldn't talk about it.
  • Mulcair says he's for decriminalizing marijauna, but not legalization, so he's as bad as Harper.
  • Tom Mulcair and Jack Layton are not, in fact, the same person.
  • The Liberals and Conservatives voted on a secret panel to accuse the NDP of misspending.
  • Tom Mulcair worked for an English language rights organization in Quebec.
  • Conservatives wanted Tom to join their party, and he rejected them, proving he has no principles.
  • Someone tried to bribe Tom 20 years ago, proving he has no principles.
  • Mulcair used to be a Liberal, proving he has no principles.

Wait until closer to the election (or, perhaps, now) and watch Tom get shot at from the other side.

  • Tom Mulcair hasn't said a word about privatizing all industry.
  • Tom Mulcair seems uninterested in returning the word "Socialist" to the NDP constitution.
  • Tom Mulcair sports a beard, the very emblem of male distinction and privelege.
  • Tom Mulcair owns an atlas that shows the West Bank as part of Israel.
  • Tom Mulcair sometimes buys beer in bottles, not cans.
  • Tom Mulcair's shoes aren't vegan.
  • Tom Mulcair remains white and male, despite many opportunities to change this.
  • Tom Mulcair happily spends money with the image of a foreign monarch on it.

NorthReport

Judy Rebick is probably drafting the letter now. Laughing

BRF

alan smithee wrote:

No huge surprises here.

90% NDP

88% Liberal

84% Green

77% Communist

71% Bloc Québecois

20% Libertarian

9% Christian Heritage

1% Conservative.

BRF

Attack ads are apart of the territory so buckle up as the election nears. As for me, this could be the last election I vote in as policy difference on what really matters is being extinguished. All the major parties voted for corporate rights to trump Canadfian law when they all voted yes on the various "trade" deals. All the major parties voted to support imperial aggression in the Ukraine and the Nazi junta that holds power there, extending hundreds of millions in loans to these barbaric excuses for humanity. Just these two policies alone, among many others, are enough for me to mark paid to the Canadian electoral process if in the next Parliament there isn't a refutation of the globalist corporate one world fascist rule, with Orwell's boots and face image personified.

takeitslowly

theres no excuse to get corproate tax rate wrong when you want to increase it, i am disappointed. "12% or 13%  Something like that" is not an acceptable answer from a leader.

onlinediscountanvils

NorthReport wrote:

Judy Rebick is probably drafting the letter now. Laughing

Are you drafting a message of apology?

NorthReport wrote:

oldv,

I expected to hear from the people who supported the right-wing Wynne Liberals in the Ontario election. So you are kinda confirming my hunch abourt Leadnow.

Brachina

  • Tom Mulcair remains white and male, despite many opportunities to change this.

 I laughed so hard at that I peed myself alittle :-)  .