Maclean's national leaders debate: Thursday, August 6 -- 74 days before the election

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Maclean's national leaders debate: Thursday, August 6 -- 74 days before the election

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NorthReport

Two things come to mind about this debate:

1 - 74 days, or over 10 weeks before Election Day, may well mean whatever happens at this debate may well be a distant memory on voting day

2 - CBC can carry this debate if they choose to do so and we should be asking the CBC why they are refusing to do so

NorthReport

It appears that Tom Mulcair's hot off the presses new book Strength of Conviction, launched yesterday, will be one of the main points of discussion throughout the election campaign.

Encourage Canadians to read it, and share it with as many others as you can before the vote on October 19.

NorthReport

CBC, part of the Liberal media complex, should stop trying to game the political process and broadcast this debate.

Norman Spector ‏@nspector4  2h2 hours ago

Norman Spector retweeted Barry Kiefl

"any broadcaster who wants the signal is free to carry it live too." http://www.macleans.ca/politics/why-canada-needs-more-election-debates/ …

Norman Spector added,

Barry Kiefl @[email protected] is there a reason CBC TV will not carry this week's debate? https://twitter.com/nspector4/status/627838132109492224 … @nspector4

 

 

NorthReport

The dirty tricks have already started on the first day of the election.  Frown

CBC has a mandate to broadcast the debates and they need to carry out their mandate so as many Canadians as possible will be able to view the debates.

Why Canada needs more election debates

Maclean’s is happy to get the ball rolling. We will be happy to host a debate, in English, anytime after June 15, with the leaders of the Conservative, Liberal, New Democratic and Green parties. We’ll carry a video feed on our website; any broadcaster who wants the signal is free to carry it live too.Maclean’s journalist will moderate, and have a mandate to push back with follow-up questions to leaders who don’t give clear or detailed answers the first time they’re asked.

http://www.macleans.ca/politics/why-canada-needs-more-election-debates/

Sean in Ottawa

In fairness to the CBC-- I expect McLeans also to brand this debate as theirs and CBC would be carrying something meant to advertise them -- while the PM excluded the CBC and others from participating.

I think CBC should carry it and comment on it but I well understand how they must feel.

Pondering

NorthReport wrote:

The dirty tricks have already started on the first day of the election.  Frown

CBC has a mandate to broadcast the debates and they need to carry out their mandate so as many Canadians as possible will be able to view the debates.

Why Canada needs more election debates

Maclean’s is happy to get the ball rolling. We will be happy to host a debate, in English, anytime after June 15, with the leaders of the Conservative, Liberal, New Democratic and Green parties. We’ll carry a video feed on our website; any broadcaster who wants the signal is free to carry it live too.Maclean’s journalist will moderate, and have a mandate to push back with follow-up questions to leaders who don’t give clear or detailed answers the first time they’re asked.

http://www.macleans.ca/politics/why-canada-needs-more-election-debates/

Thank-you for finally providing a link.

terrytowel

If the debate is commercial free , then the networks lose advertising as that time has already been booked.

They would have to make it up to sponsors in 'make-goods' airing the commercial in a time-period that is comparatable in what they lost, for free!

The Consortium debate is planned months in advance, so the networks don't schedule any commercials in that time period.

Notice those consortium debates air outside of Prime Time 6 to 8 PM, while the Macleans debate airs IN primetime 8 to 10PM

Airing from 6 to 8PM means that they don't lose that much money by airing commercial free as a public service.

Bottom line, the networks will lose money if they air the Macleans debate.

DLivings

NorthReport wrote:

"We’ll carry a video feed on our website; any broadcaster who wants the signal is free to carry it live too.Maclean’s journalist will moderate, and have a mandate to push back with follow-up questions to leaders who don’t give clear or detailed answers the first time they’re asked.

http://www.macleans.ca/politics/why-canada-needs-more-election-debates/

Thanks for this reference...  while the media outlets will cry (and with some justification complain about bias in the questions etc), they have a clear public mandate to re-broadcast this debate to Canadians, despite this being an extremely early point prior to the election!

NorthReport

Always some reason to whine
Celebrate the fact we will have at least 4 debates
Double last election

terrytowel wrote:

If the debate is commercial free , then the networks lose advertising as that time has already been booked.

They would have to make it up to sponsors in 'make-goods' airing the commercial in a time-period that is comparatable in what they lost, for free!

The Consortium debate is planned months in advance, so the networks don't schedule any commercials in that time period.

Notice those consortium debates air outside of Prime Time 6 to 8 PM, while the Macleans debate airs IN primetime 8 to 10PM

Airing from 6 to 8PM means that they don't lose that much money by airing commercial free as a public service.

Bottom line, the networks will lose money if they air the Macleans debate.

Pierre C yr

What prevents CBC from rebroadcasting the debate later and avoid the prime time commercial loss? Not that I think prime time has that much valuable commercial airtime in the middle of summer vacation season.

Michael Moriarity Michael Moriarity's picture

Pierre C yr wrote:

What prevents CBC from rebroadcasting the debate later and avoid the prime time commercial loss? Not that I think prime time has that much valuable commercial airtime in the middle of summer vacation season.

Look at the wording of the Maclean's statement: "any broadcaster who wants the signal is free to carry it live too." If they want to record it and show it later, that is not, it would seem, allowed.

Brachina

 Fuck the useless CBC, just watch it on youtube for fuck sakes.

Michael Moriarity Michael Moriarity's picture

Brachina wrote:

 Fuck the useless CBC, just watch it on youtube for fuck sakes.

That's OK for you and me, but polls seem to show that there are a significant number of people, mostly older, who watch CBC, but don't watch YouTube videos. I know, I can't imagine living without YouTube either, but my mother in law can and does.

Misfit Misfit's picture

Has anybody thought about how a long election campaign can hurt the CBC? They have had massive funding cuts by the Conservatives. This election is now going to be almost twice as long as they normally are and the CBC is on a very restricted budget. They have to send reporters and their crews to all the party leader's functions across the country and this costs a lot money on travel, food, and hotels. I think I heard them mention on CBC Newsworld that reporters cannot travel with the leaders on their planes anymore. If this is true, then this is another expense the broadcaster has to make up for. I honestly believe that Harper has a major vendetta out on the CBC and that this long election campaign is designed to financially hurt the public broadcaster as much as it is his political opponents. This debate will be in the middle of the summer when most people won't be watching. I don't think the CBC can afford to broadcast the debate even if they wanted to.

Brachina

 Broadcasting the Maclean's Debate would cost the CBC next to nothing, Maclean's/Rogers is paying for everything, including all the recording, all the CBC has to do is broadcast the signal. I really don't give a shit about they're pathetic excuses, they're a public broadcaster and they have a responsiblity to broadcast the debate.

 

 The CBCs continued boarderline uselessness aside, at least it will be on Youtube which means almost anyone with an internet connection will be able to see it, so I suspect far more people will see it, abit not at once, then many people are.expecting.

DLivings

agreed...  CBC should take the live feed of the debate and re-broadcast...  that is, if it's purpose is to serve the Canadian public.

terrytowel

DLivings wrote:

agreed...  CBC should take the live feed of the debate and re-broadcast...  that is, if it's purpose is to serve the Canadian public.

And if they lose money from lost ad revenue?

takeitslowly

the debate will be more important to Trudeau because he has so little time to turn things around and this could be it...so his performance will matter a great deal

Misfit Misfit's picture

TT, exactly s out the lost revenue.

terrytowel

Misfit wrote:
TT, exactly s out the lost revenue.

And MegB has a message for you Misfit

MegB wrote:

*sigh* Let's keep the personal out of this conversation, okay? Pretty please?

That is directly SQUARELY at you Misfit, so cool it.

Brachina

 The CBC shouldn't have ads period, it makes them beholden to the corporate sector, it should be run more like TVO, but national.

Misfit Misfit's picture

TT, what on earth is your PROBLEM??? I was agreeing with you so YOU are the one who needs to COOL IT!!! OK???

NorthReport

Norman Spector ‏@nspector4  1h1 hour ago

“Trudeau’s back 2 the wall…performance in this week’s first debate is not quite an “all-in” moment, but close to it” http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/five-things-to-watch-for-in-the-federal-election/article25815834/ …

 

nicky

What is the format for the Maclean's debate?

are there opening / closing statements?

time limimits?

scope for rebuttal/ interraction?

can leaders question each other?

one on one opoortunities?

 

Misfit Misfit's picture

I will retype post #20 since CBC got erased. "TT exactly, CBC is out the lost revenue." I can see how this is so threatening.

terrytowel

Misfit wrote:
TT, what on earth is your PROBLEM??? I was agreeing with you so YOU are the one who needs to COOL IT!!! OK???

The way you wrote the sentence I thought you were mocking me about lost revenue.

My apologizes, I've just been attacked non-stop here and was getting a bit fed up.

So again I apologize.

Misfit Misfit's picture

Apology accepted. And it is revenues lost during prime time as well. ETA, I understand that a lot of senior citizens will not be able to watch the debate in parts of Canada unless a major broadcaster picks it up, but there is CTV and Global as well who can fill in the void.

terrytowel

Misfit wrote:
Apology accepted. And it is revenues lost during prime time as well. ETA, I understand that a lot of senior citizens will not be able to watch the debate in parts of Canada unless a major broadcaster picks it up, but there is CTV and Global as well who can fill in the void.

Global & CTV are in the same boat. They would lose ad revenue as well by airing this debate commercial free

quizzical

hmmmmm...money is more important than delivering Canadians access to an election debate?

 

DLivings

quizzical wrote:

hmmmmm...money is more important than delivering Canadians access to an election debate?

Ditto...  particularly for Canada's public broadcaster!

bagkitty bagkitty's picture

*wiping away a tear from the thought of CBC losing ad revenue* -- oh wait, here is an idea, savings can be had -- they can stop flying Mansbridge and entourage around the world so that he can broadcast the National with a foreign capital as a backdrop - of course that means he wouldn't be in the same city as a potential royal wedding, royal spawning or royal funeral, but hey, we are all in this together aren't we?

Misfit Misfit's picture

There are very high expectations for the public broadcaster and none for the other members of the consortium to air the debate and the private broadcasters are in a better financial position to do so, even with the lost ad revenues

Misfit Misfit's picture

There are three broadcasters and many of you are fixated on just one.

Sean in Ottawa

I am sure the CBC will broadcast a good rundown of Trudeau's best moments. No worries.

mark_alfred

Michael Moriarity wrote:

Brachina wrote:

 Fuck the useless CBC, just watch it on youtube for fuck sakes.

That's OK for you and me, but polls seem to show that there are a significant number of people, mostly older, who watch CBC, but don't watch YouTube videos. I know, I can't imagine living without YouTube either, but my mother in law can and does.

I told my parents to watch it on City TV.  So, they're going to see it.  But they previously were unaware of it.

bekayne

I thought it was on CPAC as well.

Left Turn Left Turn's picture

Sean in Ottawa wrote:

In fairness to the CBC-- I expect McLeans also to brand this debate as theirs and CBC would be carrying something meant to advertise them -- while the PM excluded the CBC and others from participating.

I think CBC should carry it and comment on it but I well understand how they must feel.

CBC's board of Directors is stacked with Harper appointees, who may well agree with Harper about the CBC being excluded from the debates.

ETA: Agree with the others here about the loss of ad revenue for the CBC and other broadcasters.

Sean in Ottawa

Left Turn wrote:

Sean in Ottawa wrote:

In fairness to the CBC-- I expect McLeans also to brand this debate as theirs and CBC would be carrying something meant to advertise them -- while the PM excluded the CBC and others from participating.

I think CBC should carry it and comment on it but I well understand how they must feel.

CBC's board of Directors is stacked with Harper appointees, who may well agree with Harper about the CBC being excluded from the debates.

ETA: Agree with the others here about the loss of ad revenue for the CBC and other broadcasters.

Good point.

Brachina

bekayne wrote:

I thought it was on CPAC as well.

 It is, in French and English.

mark_alfred

For those in Toronto, I'll be at Craig Scott's gathering to view it tomorrow (I imagine Hollett's will be too crowded).  So, message me if you're also gonna show up, and perhaps we can meet and have a pint.

Arthur Cramer Arthur Cramer's picture

This could go any way tomorrow. No one should think that Trudeau won't rise to the challenge. Trudeau is a very charming man, and there's NO knowing how it might go tomorrow. Persoonally, I'm very worried about this thing; the media wants him to do well. He'll get plenty of help the next day if it goes even moderately well. I am neverous about this And there's that famous name, This could be a real minefield for Tom. I'm not holding my breath either way, and neither should anyone else. Charisma is a dangerous thing. We see people on this board who argue over and over about Justin's "ablitiy to communicate", and they are counting on it. It isn't about policy for them. And when a Trudeau government sticks it to them, they'll argue it's Harper's fault and Justin "had no choice". And, when have we heard that explanation from a Liberal before?

NorthReport

NDP AD: "Not Working"  Wink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MSvdY5OCAQ

 

mark_alfred

Good ad.

 

Yeah Art, due to higher expectations of Mulcair, it makes it more of a challenge.  However, I still think Mulcair will do well.  But yes, debates are a different animal than question period.  So Mulcair doing well there doesn't necessarily mean he'll do well in the debate.  Plus I don't recall him being spectacular in the leadership debates.  He wasn't bad, but not amazing.  That said, he was great in the recent question and answer session with the press.  So, I'm optimistic he'll do well.

nicky

For those interested Linda McQuaig is hosting a debate party at the Bishop and Belcher pub, 175 Bloor St East, at Church.

Does anyone know if Tom is appearing anywhere after the debate tonight?

mark_alfred

Here's a description of the debate,

Quote:
The debate is divided into four broad segments. First up is the economy. That exchange will be followed by energy and environment, then a segment entitled institutions of democracy (read Senate here), and finally foreign policy and security.

mmphosis

http://www.macleans.ca/national-leaders-debate/

The host, Maclean’s political editor Paul Wells.

<a href="http://www.citynews.ca/2015/08/06/economy-national-security-key-topics-first-federal-election-debate/">citynews</a> (rogers) wrote:
The leaders will face off on four main topics: the economy, energy and the environment, the state of democracy, and foreign policy and national security.

http://www.omnitv.ca/on/en/videos/4379305801001/

http://www.news1130.com/2015/07/30/macleans-political-debate/

http://live.cpac.ca/Event/Macleans_Leaders_Debate

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSf2__qpeGA

mmphosis
wage zombie

In Vancouver:

NDP Debate Watching Party at Toby's Pub, 2733 Commercial Drive

https://www.facebook.com/events/694525657347476/

mark_alfred

I don't know.  Maybe Paupers Pub on Bloor where Hollett will be.  That seems to be the most highly promoted of the venues.  I thought of going, but I just think it will be too crowded, so I'm opting for Scott's gathering at the Fox and Fiddle on Danforth.  I may drop by McQuaig's too.

Yeah, from this article, I'd guess that he'd make an appearance at Paupers.

NorthReport

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